Judge: Poker pro Ivey, pal broke gambling rules in $10M win

Comment #16

KY Floyd — Mon, 24 Oct 2016 17:06:49 GMT

Lotteries may be run by bureaucrats, but that doesn't mean they're all stupid or incompetent. They (or the people they employ) understand probability, and they rely on it. That means that they know that unlikely things can happen, so they won't freak out if somebody happens to win a low odds game a few times in a row, even if they don't think that person is just cashing tickets from somebody else. They understand that the law of large numbers means that some people will win more than average and... [ More ]

Comment #15

RJOh — Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:37:02 GMT

Since the states know they are only paying out a 1000 and 10000 to one the winners has to be spending thousands of dollars or discounting tickets for other winners who want to avoid reporting their winnings. If the a state was paying out more than the odds suggest, it would probably assume some of the winners were actually beating the odds and investigate.

Comment #14

grwurston — Sun, 23 Oct 2016 02:51:29 GMT

I suppose if someone was able to hit Pick 4 straights 2 or 3 times a week every week, they would think they were cheating

because it would be way out of the 1:10,000 odds. Or they would say the person has to be spending thousands of dollars. But

who's to say it couldn't be done, and for a lot less than would be thought.

Comment #13

grwurston — Sun, 23 Oct 2016 02:28:15 GMT

The cards aren't defective, it's just how they are made.

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Comment #12

Stack47 — Sun, 23 Oct 2016 00:01:36 GMT

Kind of like I'd only be taking advantage of your negligence if you drop your wallet and I keep it?

It's similar to when Don Johnson won over $5 million playing Blackjack at the Borgata. The casino agreed to his stipulations that actually shifted the percentages to his favor. Ivey's stipulations that included a Mandarin Chinese speaking dealer should have raised a red flag but the Borgata agreed. Agreeing to the type of playing cards Ivey asked for was really stupid too.

Ivey is counter-s... [ More ]

Comment #11

KY Floyd — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 22:29:33 GMT

I don't see how it's the Player's Fault that the cards were defective!

Nobody has said it's the player's fault. The court ruling only says that the player can't use the defect to his advantage.

all the man did was take advantage of thier neglagence.

Kind of like I'd only be taking advantage of your negligence if you drop your wallet and I keep it?

it is illegal for someone to count cards in their head while playing blackjack.

Card counting isn't illegal in the US as... [ More ]

Comment #10

Artist77 — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 19:23:03 GMT

I never got that rule. If one can remember 3 aces have been played, then why not? I have a very good memory so I am sure I would get kicked out. Lol It is hard Not to remember.

Comment #9

RJOh — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 18:26:25 GMT

I wonder if lotteries have similar rules in case players discover a flaw in their games that can be exploited? I've read they suspect players who continue to beat the odds of cheating but usually can't prove it without their cooperation.

Comment #8

realtorjim — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 16:33:51 GMT

You're forgetting LottoAce, it is illegal for someone to count cards in their head while playing blackjack. How do they determine if this is occurring? There is a distinctive play style when someone is counting cards. Don't want a trip to the room without windows in the casino! Why is it illegal? Because it reduces the house edge.

Comment #7

reddog — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 14:32:48 GMT

Being at the right place,(table), at the right time.

Comment #6

lucky6025 — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 13:48:55 GMT

This is just the same thing when person wins at slot machine's and casino claims machine was faulty and doesn't want to pay. Should be Casino should be at fault no matter, unless it is cheating by means of the customer bringing something in that helps in winning. Casino then can go sue the manufactors of that product. Who can say how long a machine has worked improperly, so you keep pouring money in and not winning, yet win jackpot and casino now find its at fault. Same with the cards, who is to... [ More ]

Comment #5

LottoAce — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 10:21:47 GMT

you are correct it is the Casinos fault. the casino may have a case with the state. but maybe they shouldn't.

all the man did was take advantage of thier neglagence. whenever you gamble, sooner or later your going to lose.

I think the casino should pay up, shut up, learn from thier mistake and move on.

whats the difference between what he did, and someone counting cards in thier head while playing blackjack

Comment #4

American Indian — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 10:20:54 GMT

I Agree with ALL that was said above.

I always liked Ivey thought he was a good Player but apparently Ivey's been cheating (was reading Related Stories) for awhile now.

I say It's the Casino's fault for having the bad cards they need too go after the Card Manufacture, their the one's that printed the default in the Cards!

It's pretty stupid Ivey had the Dealer turn the cards an make it easier to tell which were bad/good cards.

If it was obvious enough too tell that's Probably how he... [ More ]

Comment #3

KY Floyd — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 06:17:17 GMT

I agree that it's strictly the Casino's fault for using defective cards, but that doesn't mean the casino doesn't have a legitimate case. I've got no idea what the official state gaming rules say, but I'm comfortable assuming that the judge does know. Based on the ruling I'd guess that there's a rule that says players can't use defective equipment to their advantage just because the casino doesn't notice the defect.

Comment #2

music* — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 03:22:44 GMT

$10,000,000.00 Easy come, Easy go. I would be upset.

Comment #1

TheGameGrl — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 02:48:19 GMT

The casino is at fault for having defective cards and allowing the game ( hands ) to play out. But let's ignore that fact. This judge must have seen video to support the conclusion because the article isn't very clear on the evidence presented to conclude such a decision.

Judge: Poker pro Ivey, pal broke gambling rules in $10M win

Lottery Post — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 00:32:20 GMT

A federal judge ruled on Friday that poker pro Phil Ivey and a companion violated state gambling regulations in the way they won nearly $10 million at cards at an Atlantic City casino.

U.S. District Court Judge Noel Hillman determined that the pair did not meet their obligation to follow gambling regulations on four occasions in 2012 by having a dealer at the Borgata arrange Baccarat cards so they could tell what kind of card was coming next.

By shifting the odds in their favor, they viola... [ More ]