UK Lottery refuses to pay out £4 million win on suspicions ticket was bought with stolen bank card

Comment #28

jackpotismine — Sun, 05 May 2019 06:30:13 GMT

Here in China, I often pay with Wechat and Alipay. I don't have a credit card. Mobile pay is the the future and it's now. They buy everything with Wechat/Alipay. They are now using lots and lots of credit cards. Chinese people like to save a lot but these banks are trying to get them 'hooked' on 'buy now pay later'. Too bad it's catching on. I agree with cottoneyedjoe. Using money that's not yours for gambling is a slippery slope. Debit cards are okay but still you got to be careful.... [ More ]

Comment #27

cottoneyedjoe — Sun, 05 May 2019 04:42:15 GMT

I agree that letting people gamble with a credit card is unwise, but I see no issue letting people use a bank debit card. The money is either in your account or not. If it's not, most banks won't let the transaction go through.

Comment #26

noise-gate — Thu, 02 May 2019 02:50:40 GMT

Just to be clear Floyd, allowing people to use a credit or debit card is a bad idea ...for people living in the UK.

Comment #25

KY Floyd — Wed, 01 May 2019 19:15:21 GMT

Allowing people to use a credit or debit card is a bad idea.

Why? Do you think the rest of us should also have power over your other financial decisions? FTM, do you understand what a debit card is

Comment #24

noise-gate — Wed, 01 May 2019 18:49:45 GMT

Comment #23

Tucker Black — Wed, 01 May 2019 10:02:19 GMT

Lottery tickets should be paid for with cash. Allowing people to use a credit or debit card is a bad idea.

Comment #22

KY Floyd — Tue, 30 Apr 2019 04:55:38 GMT

I think the owner of the stolen debit card should get the prize money.

So if I steal your credit card and buy a TV you think you should get the TV? And you therefore think that if I steal your credit card you should pay the bill, including the charges for whatever I buy with it?

what if these two plus John were partying heavily ...

That's certainly a possibility. I'm even willing to consider that John is a guy they only met while they were partying and that they know nothing mor... [ More ]

Comment #21

welington — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 18:23:41 GMT

These guy may be crooks but it's possible to have a debit card without a bank account. I once have a $50 rebate and the company send me a Visa debit card, which I can refill and keep until it expires 2021. That being said, these guys needs a lawyer if John exist and they had some drinking deal to use a card it will come out in an investigation. This is a weird one but we'll see how this plays out. I still say geta lawyer not work the media

Comment #20

Stack47 — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 07:40:53 GMT

but all will be revealed in time.

Yep, this happened earlier this month and hopefully we'll get the results very soon. And then we can read the I told you so .

Maybe one of our UK members will explain the difference between the debit card used to purchase the ticket and the cash cards we can purchase at our local Walmart type stores. This article doesn't explain how Camelot knew they used a debit card to purchase the scratch-off. When I use a card to purchase lottery tickets, the transact... [ More ]

Comment #19

noise-gate — Sat, 27 Apr 2019 17:03:52 GMT

Whoa winterhug, I noticed that you joined LP a week after me years ago. Where have you been, hibernating? Anyways, did you notice this little gem An insider said, It's possible to buy scratchcards using contactless payment, with the purchaser not required to provide identification.

Here are a few facts: They both have criminal backgrounds. They also know that should they suddenly come into wealth- it will be viewed as ill-gotten gain. Their options are limited and it is a double-edged sword.... [ More ]

Comment #18

Bleudog101 — Sat, 27 Apr 2019 12:19:31 GMT

These guys could get a spot on stupid criminals show.

I like the integrity of the National Lottery, unlike one state here that despite no winning physical ticket, they paid out millions in a jackpot win anyway. Any guesses where that was

Comment #17

winterhug — Sat, 27 Apr 2019 12:02:49 GMT

It has nothing to do with ''not everyone can afford a bank account . It has to do with, everyone who has a bank card has a bank account unless they are using a family or friend's bank card. If this was the case, than why could they not give the name of the person whose card it is? These guys are criminals who stole someone's bank card. The legal owner of the bank card should get the prize money and not these guys..

Comment #16

noise-gate — Sat, 27 Apr 2019 01:00:30 GMT

Camelot knows a lot, what they don't know is whether they finally going to pay these two guys or not. The Money is on hold and that makes anything possible. They probably trying to scare these two guys into saying Okay, you win- we will forget about it. What these two are doing in defiance of Camelot, is uncorking the champagne partying like its 1999. These guys have a pair, despite what you may think. They probably thinking, we will continue to do what we doing* drinking planning, just as long... [ More ]

Comment #15

noise-gate — Sat, 27 Apr 2019 00:49:19 GMT

Yep, that usually happens when they not getting the attention they think they deserve. The other thing is: l am NOT in these two UK guys corner. I am simply saying that the possibility exist where they may just get paid, there is still an investigation underway. What these two need is to hire an attorney. Put down the grog, clear your heads and get legal advice. I repeat, l am not going to bat for these clowns. In a way, this is no different than people jumping to conclusions, over that case in

Comment #14

Stack47 — Sat, 27 Apr 2019 00:13:36 GMT

I know we can ignore other posters, but our stalker is getting really creepy.

Comment #13

cottoneyedjoe — Sat, 27 Apr 2019 00:00:42 GMT

In the UK you can bet on anything, and since this story has received a lot of coverage in the UK I'm sure there are bookmakers taking bets right now on whether or not John is real and going to return from the Outer Hebrides to vindicate these two. I give it a million to one odds.

Comment #12

Stack47 — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 23:47:03 GMT

Seriously, after stealing a card and using it to purchase a scratch-off, they decided to directly contact the news media to confess their crime?

Thay would just squander the lot and be back in square one.

Do people tell you how spend your winnings

Comment #11

Artist77 — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 23:44:29 GMT

Exactly. A very logical answer

Comment #10

Stack47 — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 23:39:11 GMT

In KY we can purchase lottery tickets with credit/debit cards, BUT each store makes that decision so if you're in a hurry make sure you have enough cash because not all stores accepts card purchases for lottery tickets. Apparently in the UK lots of lottery ticket transactions are made using credit/debit cards paid directly to Camelot, but here in the states where most lottery purchases are made directly to retailers. Nobody ever required me to have a credit/debit card to cash winning tickets reg... [ More ]

Comment #9

cottoneyedjoe — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:52:38 GMT

Their biggest mistake was not realizing that Camelot knows everything. Camelot knows what numbers you played, the exact time you bought the ticket, where you bought the ticket, and how you paid for it. They should have come up with a better story to account for the debit card. Oh well. Dumb and Dumber are about to add another entry to their lengthy criminal record.

Comment #8

noise-gate — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:29:25 GMT

I took all of that into consideration CEJ- my thinking is what if these two plus John were partying heavily, all three got pretty loaded. Money gets exchanged and now we have this. It is also possible that the money they supposedly gave John was stolen, so unless someone reports their debit card stolen,John reappear, these two guys have a chance, however slim. A few years ago, the unbelievable happened in CA. The lottery paid out without a ticket being produced, the guy or gal had some excuse th... [ More ]

Comment #7

cottoneyedjoe — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:02:54 GMT

The lottery knows two things for certain:

(1) Neither of them has a bank account.

(2) They purchased the ticket with a bank debit card, which a person can only have if he has a bank account.

Do you see the discrepancy here?

The hypothetical situation you describe is not what's going on here. Until this mystery man John returns from his mysterious trip up north, it's a safe bet they stole some bloke's debit card.

Comment #6

noise-gate — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 17:48:22 GMT

Hold on a minute there Danny Boy. Not everyone can afford a bank account, especially these two. They live in the moment, easy come easy go. My question is: Does a person living on the street need to have a bank account if, they somehow collect enough money to buy a lottery ticket and through pure luck win? Are they then grilled because they living bank account situation? These guys are no altar boys, but they do have a winning ticket. What they need is to keep their mouths shut get themselves an... [ More ]

Comment #5

cottoneyedjoe — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 17:16:02 GMT

That's a nice thought, but with all the fines Camelot has received, I don't think they are going to risk paying anyone any prize money this time. You should email the Gambling Commission since it's got the power over Camelot.

Comment #4

music* — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 16:18:28 GMT

The criminal record they both have stands out like a flashing light. They must know this and should do everything on the up and up with no mistakes.

Will the debit card owner be found

Comment #3

dannyct — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 16:05:35 GMT

I think the owner of the stolen debit card should get the prize money. I have emailed the National Lottery with that suggestion. It would be justice.

Do you think the debit card owner should get the prize money? If so, please let the UK National Lottery know your opinion.

Comment #2

dannyct — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 16:01:23 GMT

They contacted the media, what idiots. The UK Lottery are doing them a favour not giving them the money. Thay would just squander the lot and be back in square one. It is sad, but true, you can't help people who won't accept help.

Comment #1

JADELottery — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:55:22 GMT

Nicked a card to buy a scratcher is the same as nicking the scratcher itself.

UK Lottery refuses to pay out £4 million win on suspicions ticket was bought with stolen bank card

Lottery Post — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:43:40 GMT

UK Lottery officials have refused to pay out a 4 million (US$5.2 million) jackpot to two players who they suspect had purchased the winning ticket with a stolen debit card.

Lottery operator Camelot grew suspicious of Mark Goodram, 36, and Jon-Ross Watson, 31, when it emerged neither of them had a bank account to receive the winnings.

The pair reportedly could not explain where the debit card had come from, claiming it was a mystery friend named John but could not give his surname, address