UK pals jailed for winning £4 million in lottery using stolen debit card

Comment #22

MillionsWanted — Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:49:43 GMT

I'll guess the lesson is pay lottery tickets with cash.

Comment #21

Speler — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 12:26:19 GMT

That's put a bit short there.

a) He bought the ticket and won. He will get the payout.

b) They put the payment on hold, first contacted the police.

d) They caught him. The judge confiscated the money.

I think that it is rather that. Your scenario comes over as:

a) He bought the ticket and won. He didn't get any payout and the lottery kept the money.

The judge didn't see the money of the win as the lottery kept the money.

What happened to the money

Comment #20

Rexer90 — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 17:36:00 GMT

There was a case in the US where a Colombian national won big but was in the US illegally the ticket was bought with the proceeds of drug dealing. He didn't get the

Comment #19

Rexer90 — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 17:32:47 GMT

They never received the money.

Comment #18

dannyct — Thu, 23 Dec 2021 16:11:47 GMT

Northern England is like America's Rust Belt, the manufacturing has been moved to countries with cheap labor and the local people have been ignored. The main political parties only care about business lobbies. This was a major factor in the Brexit Referendum, many who had given up voting made their voices heard.

Comment #17

Speler — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:31:45 GMT

Locally amounts up to 500 used to be paid out immediately over the counter. I don't know if the amount is higher now.

Camelot will pay out. I think that the judge will decide to take the money to pay victims for the correct stolen amount or damage. The rest will go to the holder of the scratch-card. The judge might sum up all they did in the past, give them holiday in a fortified place for a while.

Comment #16

kao1632 — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 07:13:15 GMT

They bought the ticket with stolen money. That kind of negates their claim.

The ticket was in their possession, but again.. Although it is a bearer document, it was obtained through fraud (proceeds of a crime).

there are laws relating to proceeds of a crime. basically, the criminal doesn't get to keep said proceeds.

It isn't clear who gets the ticket. All Camelot did was advise the police that they believed a crime had been committed.

It is probably up to the courts ti decide w... [ More ]

Comment #15

dannyct — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 00:38:55 GMT

Joshua Addiman, the owner of the stolen debt card, should get the prize money. That would be restorative justice.

Comment #14

Speler — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:02:12 GMT

If I have got this right, Camelot refused to pay out, after one responded that they used the cc of a friend while that wasn't so. Stolen money or not, they bought the ticket legally. It was paid for and in their possession? Does Comelot now play judge or what is this? ... What if a transmigrant black African won? An illegal Afghan wanting to sell his cannabis as medical snip on american advice? ...

Comment #13

Stat$talker — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 10:51:14 GMT

I think that the criminals should either pay restitution and keep the money

Well, from yo Statement, we ALL know that you'd make a terrible Court Judge..!!..possibly frontal lobes not fully developed..

Naaah, ..Go rob a Bank, and see if The Criminal Justice System will allow YOU to pay restitution, and keep the stolen loot ...

Exactly how old are You

Comment #12

Clarkejoseph49 — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 08:11:51 GMT

I m guessing their winnings will be taken off them now because of this fraud.

Comment #11

kao1632 — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 07:21:46 GMT

What if the bank has already made good his losses when the debit card was unlawfully used? (meaning, he has not lost any money. Not even the 4 pound cost of the ticket)..

That would mean the bank that compensated him for the fraudulent use of his debit card would be the effective payer ...

A bit like.. If you claim 9and are paid out) insurance on something that is stolen it belongs to the insurer if it is recovered.

Comment #10

kao1632 — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 07:17:25 GMT

The winnings are proceeds of a crime , so the State can seize the prize... (the idea being that a criminal shouldn't benefit from their crime, In New Zealand, a person stole lots of money (received government benefits he wasn't entitled to IIRC) over many years and invested it in international stocks and gold. He made a lot of money doing that... When he was caught, the State took everything he couldn't prove wasn't funded by his crime..)

So, maybe the State gets the winning ticket... [ More ]

Comment #9

Lets-win — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 20:51:40 GMT

The debit card owner should be awarded the money

Comment #8

noise-gate — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 20:08:12 GMT

Forgot or bad: That's true friendship.

Comment #7

paymentplan-man — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 17:24:43 GMT

I disagree that the winning belong to Mr Addiman since he himself did not play. I think that the criminals should either pay restitution and keep the money or pay restitution and have the money removed and split amongst legit charities and the youth.

Comment #6

Stat$talker — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 17:00:40 GMT

..The Judge duzzn't seemed to have FINISHED doin the right thing..since those Lottery ticketz were bought with Mr. Addiman's debit card, in which the criminals stole.. the Lottery winnings rightfully belong to HIM, since they used HIZ stolen fundz to purchase the ticketz..

The nerve of some people..

Comment #5

Bleudog101 — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 16:32:43 GMT

I wondered some of your points too, but I'd think in GB they would be bearer instrument. Certainly the bank would right the wrong of those perps.

OTOH Kronos which does payroll for many corporations in the USA had a ransomware attack. The sinister side of me with states with RNG maybe they can have a similar attack and make Eddie Tipton's crimes look small.

Comment #4

kao1632 — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 07:10:55 GMT

The real question is.. what happens with that winning ticket?

Does the prize go to the owner of the stolen debit card?

Or does it go to the bank that probably reversed the charge against the owner's bank account?

or

Was the ticket cancelled and money refunded

Comment #3

kao1632 — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 07:02:51 GMT

That would have required way too much planning and forethought...

Oh.. It is pounds, nt euros in the UK.. Pounds are worth more than euros

Comment #2

Raven62 — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 02:25:09 GMT

It's sad to think that these two criminals are back on the street.

Here's an interesting read:

https://www.hsdl.org/?abstract did=709498

Comment #1

Mata Garbo — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 02:04:57 GMT

Fascinating story Kate!....... What amazes me is the number of convictions these gentlemen already had on their record. One had 24, the other 74. Yet they only received an 18 month sentence. Also if they had not been total idiots, they could have used the debit card to get get cash back at certain retail stores,(if they had the pin number) used the Euros to buy their lotto tickets and they would have gotten away with it. The thought that these 2 clowns actually prevented someone else from receiv... [ More ]

UK pals jailed for winning £4 million in lottery using stolen debit card

Lottery Post — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 01:31:26 GMT

Their celebration didn't last very long

By Kate Northrop

Two friends from the United Kingdom had a short-lived celebration after winning 4 million (US$ 5.3 million) in the lottery using a debit card they stole.

Mark Goodram, 38, and Jon Watson, 34, both from Bolton, went wild on a four-day spending spree after discovering they won a 4 million lottery prize from a scratch-off ticket bought with a stolen debit card in 2019.

While they partied and drank for four days straight and... [ More ]