For those who use draw history...

Reply #41

JRLGGA — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:10:23 GMT

Hypersoniq:Thank you for posting the Powerball history with the ball set and machine number. Very interesting! I can't wait to analyze!Do the MegaMillion people publish their ball set/machine changes

Reply #40

JKING — Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:01:24 GMT

I think Codemaster has the right approach. Use multiple draw history ranges....for 5/39:39/5=7.8, so get total occurrences thru 8 games back..the average occurrence will be 12x7.8=15.6, then ocurrences thru 16 games back will be approximately 2so on, and so forth.Each occurrence(s) for selected game ranges can ten be sorted (ascendingly) and tracked in excel to find distribution limits. LOTTO DATA LLLLLCOL LLLLLTOT12345CNT 12345

Reply #39

bobby623 — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:54:31 GMT

Seems everyone has a 'system' regarding drawing history. I think it all depends on how many sets one is going to play. For example, to play all numbers in 5/52 one must play 11 sets in order to get every number into play. If one plays a lesser number of sets, then some numbers will have to be left out. In this case, one must refer to other means. I usually play 5 sets, 25 of the 52 numbers. I try to maintain a balance. For example, I choose 4 single numbers, 5 teens, 5 20s, 5 30s, 5 40s and 1 5... [ More ]

Reply #38

hypersoniq — Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:39:22 GMT

they almost always change the balls...here is their list...http://www.powerball.com/powerball/testpb.docit is usually a draw or two off of the current one tho.

Reply #37

codmander — Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:48:18 GMT

try diffrent historys its amazin how diffrent numbers are

Reply #36

Bertil — Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:24:37 GMT

The draw history should be related to the size of the game, especially for lottos. For the 5/53 part of Powerball it is interesting to bear in mind that after 50 draws there is likely to remain on average only 0.47 numbers not yet drawn. Thus if there are one or more not drawn it would be tempting to bet on them in the hope of getting at least some money back. Bertil

Reply #35

kbcherokee — Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:11:58 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by MillionsWanted on January 2, 2005I don't think it's necessary to go longer back than 50 draws. 10 is also OK.Once in a while the lotteries change the set of balls and the statistics should start from scratch again.Exactly... I can tell everytime they change the balls from my Bell-Curve. Chief

Reply #34

Maverick — Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:59:28 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by MillionsWanted on January 2, 2005I don't think it's necessary to go longer back than 50 draws. 10 is also OK.Once in a while the lotteries change the set of balls and the statistics should start from scratch again.Hmm I use 10 days now (in general). I dunno where Perkis' idea is based, but I would bet Gail Howard knows better.

Reply #33

Rick G — Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:24:33 GMT

I use exactly 28 days. It's a natural cycle of moon and fertility so it can't be all wrong. Midday and evening draw states give you the optimum of a little over 50 draws during that cycle....Perfect.

Reply #32

MillionsWanted — Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:09:19 GMT

I don't think it's necessary to go longer back than 50 draws. 10 is also OK.Once in a while the lotteries change the set of balls and the statistics should start from scratch again.

Reply #31

tntea — Wed, 29 Dec 2004 02:40:58 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by lottaloot on December 15, 2004I like to use the history to see what has followed the number in the past.Does that work often? if so , what states

Reply #30

libra — Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:26:11 GMT

I use the previous weeks woth of numbers Midday and Evening Combined.That's 12 - 13 or 14 sets of numbers depending on the states. On States like Florida with one draw a day I use only 7 sets and still get results. Libra Dave

Reply #29

sweetgirl2 — Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:11:20 GMT

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Reply #28

OpenMinded — Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:12:46 GMT

I would say that full history is the only way to go. This lottery thing started somewhere. The key is in the beginning. The only way to chart what's really happening is to start at the beginning. It wouldn't make sense at all to jump right in in the beginning. Important keys would HAVE to be lost if you jumped in, let's say, at the 2002 games. At least, that's my opinion. Never going with the obvious - OpenMinded

Reply #27

Sedertree — Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:39:30 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Bertil on December 17, 2004 I seem to have read that a poster on LP claimed he eliminated the numbers from the last draw and then made his selection from the remaining numbers thereby thinking he changed the odds significantly. It so, why not eliminate the last two or three draws and play the rest? Has anybody looked at this idea and done a statistical analysis by computer simulation? BertilBertil,You may want to download and try out my matrix wh... [ More ]

Reply #26

RJOh — Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:57:23 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Bertil on December 17, 2004I seem to have read that a poster on LP claimed he eliminated the numbers from the last draw and then made his selection from the remaining numbers thereby thinking he changed the odds significantly....... Has anybody looked at this idea and done a statistical analysis by computer simulation? I didn't do a computer simulation, but I looked at past drawings of several lotteries that I play including MM, PB, OH649 plus and Buckeye5 and fou... [ More ]

Reply #25

Bertil — Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:39:23 GMT

I seem to have read that a poster on LP claimed he eliminated the numbers from the last draw and then made his selection from the remaining numbers thereby thinking he changed the odds significantly. It so, why not eliminate the last two or three draws and play the rest? Has anybody looked at this idea and done a statistical analysis by computer simulation? Bertil

Reply #24

lottaloot — Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:57:15 GMT

I like to use the history to see what has followed the number in the past.

Reply #23

Maverick — Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:15:48 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by ayenowitall on December 15, 2004I don't ever allow myself to get so wrapped up in lottery prediction and play that it ceases to be fun for me. Just remember that you always have the freedom to play any numbers in any way that you like. You don't have to use any system or any history at all if you find it bothersome. Just enjoy the game in whatever way you choose to play and hope for the best.VERY well said.

Reply #22

ayenowitall — Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:37:07 GMT

hypersoniq,It's good to see you back on the boards.The amount of draw history I use varies greatly from game to game and draw to draw. It depends on the matrix of the game, the particular method I'm using to predict any given draw, and the way the numbers may have fallen in recent draws.I can understand your frustration with spending a lot of time on predictions, but for me, generating my number selections is something that I enjoy doing. If I didn't enjoy doing it, I'd probably just play Quick... [ More ]

Reply #21

JKING — Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:19:12 GMT

The amount of history you use depends on what your doing. If your looking at how many games back the numbers picked are over several 5/39 games then set a tracking system.%%%%%CUM12345%%049.9120.250012.412.4125.620.85.760.5010.523212.320.612.33.5109.7332.736.0217.314.86.770.759.1341.842.7610.3136.772.517.0748.951.256.77127.522.516.0254.961.755.519.278.273.525.6760.670.53.019.029.274.525.2765.8801.256.277.773.273.7169.69016.278.024.273.9173.51000.54.017.526.033.6177.11100.52.268.777.543.8180.9120... [ More ]

Reply #20

st.germain — Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:07:45 GMT

I like keeping a history of the numbers drawn all the way to game one to the present but go back about the last 12 draws when actually making my picks. Using whats hot and whats not...and whats due.

Reply #19

rundown99 — Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:34:43 GMT

Every combination has a chance, and the lottery is random EVERY time. Most people who win it either play the same numbers every time (like birthdays) or they win on a quick pick. I have played powerball for years and I looked at the frequently asked questions section of the MUSL website, and the MUSL uses DIFFERENT ball sets for the balls drawn. Now, this would be different, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, if there was only ONE ball set involved and if you only had to get the white balls right (like in th... [ More ]

Reply #18

Teufellj — Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:33:11 GMT

The last 12 winning sets for either midday or evening game in the Pick 3 Ohio has the winning sets. The exception is one game per week switches days which means that we have to reset our matrix setup.Teufellj...

Reply #17

four4me — Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:30:08 GMT

Yea i wonder how many people play the same numbers that hit in mega and powerball last week. Then fill a ticket out and play them for the next draw hoping the same numbers might hit.

Reply #16

lottoscorp — Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:25:17 GMT

I like this poll. One Drawing, Onlylottoscorp ...

Reply #15

LANTERN — Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:20:47 GMT

It's a very relative thing, relative to the particular game played, the ammount of numbers that you want to get right if possible, the number of lines played and the winning system(s) used, can go from 1 last draw on down, or even no draws at all, just on general statistics for that particular game and or for jackpot games in general or for games of chance or random games in general.What do I use and for which game(s)?I don't play jackpot games yet, but sooner or later I might, maybe some-time d... [ More ]

Reply #14

relowe — Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:50:01 GMT

If I might add, one can't talk about numbers being cold or hot or due unless you take into account previous draw history.... And why refer to 100 past draws or 30 past draws, why not 107 past draws or 29? Nothing special about 100 or 30. Or 107 and 29 for that matter. Seems to me one is either a proponent of using past draws or one is not. If one is not a proponent of past draws then all numbers are standing at the line with an equal chance at the next draw, and the whole thing is a complete ran... [ More ]

Reply #13

four4me — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:17:50 GMT

I think using the full history all the way back to the beginning of the game when the changed the amount of balls only tells you how many times each ball was drawn. This information isn't going to tell you what's due. Looking at powerball and megamillions last twenty or so drawing tells me more about what balls are currently being drawn. Not what happened last year. Plugging the last 20/30 games into a system would probably produce better results. The only thing that gets in the way is when they... [ More ]

Reply #12

Maverick — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:59:27 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by hypersoniq on December 12, 2004I am getting tired of wasting time on prediction... I am not saying it cannot be done, I am ready to admit to myself that I cannot do it. I will keep my buck in the ring, but it would be nice to just generate the 1 pick right away then play it and forget it until the next draw.I agree.

Reply #11

JAG331 — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:20:21 GMT

I used to use full history, last 30 and last 10 draws. Now I use full history, last 20 and last 5, because you're always trying to catch trends, and I think shorter history lets you catch them when they occur.

Reply #10

0zerothru9nine — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:09:59 GMT

Full history for a complete picture. 90 days pattern if you watch the flow closely example NJ Last hot watch 963 combo 395 followed. I cashed in on both. To answer your question. that's just one of many ways to arrive and the winnings combination. Most of all don't forget to listen to yourself.

Reply #9

four4me — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:40:21 GMT

I'v tried it all . all the history for pick 3/4/5 games didn't do much for me. The last 5 days worth of history for pick 3/4 games worked best. At leats 4 times a week a pick 3 or 4 number would be drawn from numbers in that range. For match 5 i use the last 10 draws and it seems to work for me. In mega and power ball i use about 2/3 months worth of history using half hot numbers 1/4 luke warm and 1/4 cold numbers. this works for me. It's kinda inportant to me to use less history because it's... [ More ]

Reply #8

WIN D — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:25:06 GMT

Hyper.....It depends on the questions that we want to ask doesn't it? If we knew the right questions to ask .....we would probably already know most of the answer. The data needed depends on the data question. I have noticed that Archaeologist dont throw away crap.........literally. In fact finding fossilized crap is one of their favorite things. (It speaks to them!) LOL

Reply #7

Sedertree — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:21:09 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by apagogeas on December 12, 2004 Full history can be used to make backtests on theories to apply. It doesn't necessary mean it will work for the next draw of course but if you find an approach that provides good results constantly enough in the past, then you have a reason to believe that this approach will work again. I agree that using the full history to test static number theory is the most logical approach. For testing relative number theory; the smaller the sample... [ More ]

Reply #6

lottoarchitect — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:51:29 GMT

Full history can be used to make backtests on theories to apply. It doesn't necessary mean it will work for the next draw of course but if you find an approach that provides good results constantly enough in the past, then you have a reason to believe that this approach will work again.Last 3 draws statistically offer good advice on numbers to thraw away and last 100 (it depends on the lottery size you play) offer a good guidance of due numbers. So, actually we need everything and not only a sim... [ More ]

Reply #5

fja — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:43:56 GMT

I use both full history and current year history last 10 draws history....being that MM is only 269 draws old it hasn't even reach 1% of its draws....

Reply #4

hypersoniq — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:37:44 GMT

My goal with blending stats from histories in various depths comes from observation...Full history seems to range the balls ok, last 100 seems to capture most trends... for instance in the first 100 draws of the new PB matrix, 20 was hot, now 31 is hot... this shows up in the last 100 draws. And last 3 seems to add a moving component so you aren't always playing a static number.I have an excel workbook with 3 sheets in 3 history depths that uses some A.N.N. weighting algorithms to boil it down t... [ More ]

Reply #3

CARBOB — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:21:48 GMT

A little correction to Johnny5's post. Last ball change for Florida Cash 3 Play 4 was May 2003, according to web site. I use 66 draws,12 draws, full draw history. I'm beginning to believe, no farther than last ball change, but I also believe that some combos will show in the same month. Example, all of the Cash 3 drawings, so far in Dec, except 12/11/04, hit in Dec, in past drawings. I think you are going to get a lot of different opinons on this. Carbob

Reply #2

RJOh — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:13:29 GMT

I use the full history of the current matrix only. Once numbers are added or reduced, the old history losses its value.RJOh

Reply #1

Johnny5 — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:07:45 GMT

I use the past draws since any Ball Set change.Its about three years here in Florida.But for certain calculations I only use the last 30 to 40 draws.JOhnny5

For those who use draw history...

hypersoniq — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:05:19 GMT

Curious as to the number of draws back most people are using in calculations, regardless of the system employed.If you could also post why you go back as far as you do that would be great ;-)right now I have powerball history into 3 categories for calculations...A. full historyB. last 100 drawsC. last 3 drawsthey all get computed into a weighted average, but I am wondering if any one should have preference over another...THanks to those who participate