Reverse engineering

Reply #60

RJOh — Sat, 24 Dec 2005 04:14:38 GMT

Tonight's winning numbers were 10 37 39 49 54 +08 = CINgo

Reply #59

RJOh — Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:55:32 GMT

I will being playing combinations that fit the following profile for tonight's drawing. CCEEL AIMOP ABGGK CDMNO ADGIc ACFHJ AIJPc BGGNO ABDFM BGIQT BGJLT BEJNO CDGNR ABCEG ADKOQ AIJJa ABCMP CDHNR CEGLO FJKRc ABCHJ BIKMT BFFGO ADDPa CEFIN

Reply #58

pacattack05 — Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:24:17 GMT

I don't even want to think about patterns dealing in the millions. I have enough problems confronting a 1000 to 1.Chaos is not only able to produce 509 three in a row. It is capable of producing it 17 times in a row. It just happens not to be the time for it to show up. maybe in a thousand years from now. I believe that with any program, you will run into chaos, one way or another. You can make a program that will go opposite, 180 degrees from the lottery world's view of strategies to win, and... [ More ]

Reply #57

psykomo — Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:05:57 GMT

powerplayer:THANKS............for your INputtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!Would............. forward engineering work Bettterrrrrrrr??????????Merry what and Happy when ...........to ALL and a Good $$$$$$LOLPSYKOMO

Reply #56

RJOh — Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:02:55 GMT

After reading the news story https://www.lotterypost.com/news/125196.htm about Kansas computer mesh up I have to agree with hypersonig. If the lottery officials didn't recognize the computer lack of true randomness until it had picked 509 for three consecutive drawings then if an identifiable bias pattern was discovered then it likely it could be exploited for sometime before it would be corrected.So far no one have come up with a way to identify a bias pattern in previous drawings. I tried rep... [ More ]

Reply #55

pacattack05 — Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:24:06 GMT

I don't see why we couldn't use the same method described in your first paragraph, as well for the ball drawings, considering chaos is chaos.I am aware that there is a certain bias in the computer drawings because of the influence from the programmer and what seed, or any other parameters he or she chooses to use. However, I personally believe that in the long run, it all evens out in the scheme of things.I like your first paragraph because it reminds me of a block of stone and the chipping away... [ More ]

Reply #54

hypersoniq — Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:10:17 GMT

computer draws are probably the best target for reverse engineering.Since they are drawn randomly , your best bet would be to tweak an RNG formula (controlling all the variables such as the Seed, the step(interval) and to track the numbers that give the best results. for ping-pong ball draws, it might be better to go over the history hunting for bias, I am seeing better backtest results so far going after announcer numbers than any filters so far... my goal has always been a one-pick straight-s... [ More ]

Reply #53

RJOh — Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:03:27 GMT

psykomo wrote: if you spent your Own money, to produce a system, would you put it on the market (FOR SALE) for $25, $50, $100 or....give it away for free.............. ?????????????? My relay is: Why not? Others do it all the time. Just check the internet for lottery systems for sale with a free demo.

Reply #52

psykomo — Fri, 23 Dec 2005 03:05:21 GMT

pacattack05:Good question and a thought I BET$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$a million other's have asked....BUT, if you spent your Own money, to producea system, would you put it on the market (FOR SALE) for $25, $50, $100 or....give it away for free.............. ???????????????????????????????????????????Think, ALL would be advised to take powerplayer's reply as REAL, FACTS andFinal, unless you want to spend $100,000 on a program for yourself!!!!!!!!!!LOLPSYKOMO

Reply #51

pacattack05 — Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:28:34 GMT

winD, all I can say is that the right side of my abdomen is still hurting from laughing so much. You're killing me here.......good schmidt.

Reply #50

pacattack05 — Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:18:15 GMT

Good one....

Reply #49

WIN D — Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:12:34 GMT

There are many ways....... Thats why there is Hamburger University. Holding the Pickle and lettuce is a kind of a filter ....huh? LOL

Reply #48

pacattack05 — Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:00:02 GMT

Yeap....that's why I cut the corners of the stone. And now I'm a rolling stone.LOLThe reason wendys restaurant was successful, was do to the fact that the owner didn't cut any corners. So there are many ways to look at psyche 101. LOL

Reply #47

WIN D — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:50:10 GMT

Yeap...... LOL Well.... there is always hope.

Reply #46

pacattack05 — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:34:59 GMT

That's a good one winD. I guess if I reverse engineer all I'll end up with is a block of stone.LOL

Reply #45

WIN D — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:52:07 GMT

Agreat sculptor was once ask about where he got his inspiration for such wonderful and exquisitely delicate creations. How could he produce such gifts from plain blocks of marble ? The sculptor said ..... the beauty was already inside the marble blocks and always had been .......and all he did was chip away until the final shapes were reveled. I always liked that concept very much and I understood what the artist felt.It isn't really true of course.... and yet ...it really is .Its k... [ More ]

Reply #44

LANTERN — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:23:48 GMT

Well, you are right!Me, I can't predict, the best that I can do is filter out what I think that might be the most unlikely combos that might not come out on the very next draw and to hope that I was right.Good luck to you also.

Reply #43

pacattack05 — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:01:27 GMT

Good for you Lantern. I hope you succeed in all your endeavors.Reverse engineering is not a fantasy. How do you think they got that Spcecraft to work in the movie Independence Day LOL

Reply #42

LANTERN — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:51:35 GMT

PacDuring the last weeks I have come out with new filters and also with new ways of using the old ones, I now have to put everything together into a new system or systems, besides I am still developing a few more new filters, it will take a little longer and then I can test the new system(s), this time the tests will or might be done in private, not sure yet, then we will see if I can do better than before or not.Let us put it this way, most people who play the lottery games lose more than they

Reply #41

pacattack05 — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:08:11 GMT

I agree rjoh. Theories theories, theories. Everyone has them. There's another old saying. I made it up. To me someone who is smart is not someone who knows the entire encyclopedia by heart. Somebody who has 10 million in the bank, to me is smart .I had a friend in New York who literally answered 90 percent if not more of the jeopardy questions correctly, but had the common sense of a used tooth pick. The more someone claims they know alot, the less they really do know. The previous sentence CA... [ More ]

Reply #40

pacattack05 — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:58:37 GMT

I'm not mad, I'm just referring to what you said. NO ONE understands random No one means everyone except for you. Just an observation.

Reply #39

RJOh — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:55:37 GMT

There is an old question that children ask all the time If you're so smart, why aren't you rich? Lottery players should ask the same question of anyone claiming to be able to predict the next winning combinations.

Reply #38

LANTERN — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:54:15 GMT

PacCool down, that was to RJOH for always being so negative about random and what it means to lottery players.

Reply #37

pacattack05 — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:44:26 GMT

You are the only one who understands what Random truly means? Really?I think I have a very good understanding of what RANDOM means.I also KNOW a great deal about FILTERS also.I love your input Lantern, but I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that. You don't know me personally and what I have learned in the past to the present.Someone doesn't necessarily have to win all the time to understand randomness.

Reply #36

lchoro — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:35:59 GMT

Reverse engineering implies that given knowledge about the drawing history you would be able to approximately replicate the same draws using the previous numbers as input. You should be able to scan the previous times when the most recent draw's sequence of digits came up and evaluate what relationship that may have had on the next drawing result, if any.

Reply #35

LANTERN — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:29:28 GMT

Am I the only one that understands what RANDOM really means ?And what it means to lottery players ?It would appear to be so !You can get the winning number, because the draws are random, and if they were not, there would still be ways of getting the winning numbers.So it is a win win situation either way, if the prediction system or method is designed right to work with the flow , either random or not random or a combination of both as it truly is right now.The system must use and work with th... [ More ]

Reply #34

LANTERN — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:18:05 GMT

That stuff about reverse eng is just a dream, I am talking about sometime relatively easier to do that really works.It would find patterns to filter out for the very next draw with a high deegre of accuracy, no guess-work involved and no fantacy either, just facts.As to the Hot-Cold filters, they should be relatively easy to program, I said that the straight Hot-Cold filter would be hard to use by hand, not with a Hot-Cold filter program such as Paurth's.Once the program is made then it is very... [ More ]

Reply #33

RJOh — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:06:27 GMT

A program that actually searched for a way to reverse engineer a lottery winner might also reveal that the results of lottery drawings are so random that no accurate predictions can be made based on previous drawings and eliminate another interesting topic for lottery players to talk about. That's the downside of actually knowing of what you speak.

Reply #32

powerplayer — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:40:09 GMT

Lantern,I'm confused here. Wasn't this subject about Reverse Eng.I thought reverse Eng. was taken a seed or a series of draws and finding a loop in it or pattern. Useing a filter would take away the #'s u might need.Hmmm...maybe I'm wrong. I'm sure there is filtering in there somewhere but, just getting a program to look over every draw to find common traits to it is hard enough.I'm still working on doing a filtering for hot cold haven't given up on it even though you said it's hard and compli... [ More ]

Reply #31

LANTERN — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:33:47 GMT

There are at least 2 more or less easy ways of finding filter patterns that might not come out on the very next draw, that also a program can be programmed to do.

Reply #30

LANTERN — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:14:56 GMT

Hi!From a given source of numbers, I filter out or delete the ones that have certain filter patterns, this is for the pick 3 game, this leaves on the ones that appear to me to have the best chance of having the winning pick 3 number for the very next draw among them.How do I know which filter patterns to use as filters ? Well, there are ways of guessing that are much more than a guess, they are based on filter patterns of numbers from the past draws, a visual inspection more or less tells whic... [ More ]

Reply #29

truecritic — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:54:25 GMT

RJAbsolutely correct.

Reply #28

RJOh — Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:39:34 GMT

Truecritic,I agree but if you're just trying to get results then the simplest Dos Basic will probably do the job and the program would still run in Windows. Programs from Gail Howard, VesaBet, Lottery Director and others are still written for DOS and are still selling. They have to run in a DOS window but they do what they were designed to do. They might look prettier if they were written for Windows but their results would be the same.Knowing what you want a program to do and how it is suppos... [ More ]

Reply #27

truecritic — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:16:17 GMT

Learning to print your name on the screen is easy.Programming Lottery math/algorithms is not easy.Programming for Windows vs DOS is harder yet.Many users of Excel, here at Lottery Post cannot even program that.I know people that put up web pages for a living that don't know javascript or VB. It just isn't that simple.Sure, people should do their own programming. Trouble is, they'd like to have the program up and running before 2006. They aren't going to finish a single programming book by then... [ More ]

Reply #26

rlevins — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:34:29 GMT

I agree with the first part. Learning to program is one of the easiest thing that one can do. If one can do 2+2=4 and take some logical decisions in life then one can learn and do simple programming.As far as ideas are concerned, You never know whose idea and what idea and however simple it may seem to be, may be the right idea. It is another question who will listen or work on the idea.

Reply #25

RJOh — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:21:41 GMT

Any one willing to spend time coming up with a decent concept of what a lottery program/system should look like and do will probably spend some time learning to do some programming. People who keep coming up with ideas off the top of their head for a lottery system will never waste any time learning to program and no serious programmer is going to waste time programming their concept for the fun of it.

Reply #24

rlevins — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:05:03 GMT

There are two aspects of programming.1) Concept design of what you want to do and how you want to do.2) Program/Code to do what is needed in number 1 above.In some applications both aspects can be handled by single person and in some others, separate persons are needed to achieve the goal.We all know that programs are nothing more than what we ask them to do. They can not do what you did not ask them to do. Even programs which create artificial intelligence also are doing what the designer c... [ More ]

Reply #23

RJOh — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:56:25 GMT

LATERN wrote to Pacattack05: You might be much better off, paying $ 250 000 to Cash34ologist for his new pick 3 and 4 programs and for the way of using them.Or you can buy LottosCorp Vtrack program for $ 500 to maybe $3 000. Notice: If anyone is asking $500 to $250,000 for their lottery program, they aren't really interested in selling it or they think they've hook a big sucker fish.

Reply #22

LANTERN — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:28:32 GMT

I have at times before been able to do by hand, what some people have not been able to do with computer programs, remember the $500 to $50 000 or more computer program ? I can do much better than it in a few minutes just by hand without any programs at all.At least better more often than the program itself can do.Why ? because the programmer didn't know how to get the winning numbers.If the programmer does not know, then the program won't know either.Simple as that.

Reply #21

LANTERN — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:20:54 GMT

The formula for winning pick 3 is observation of the past draws with your own eyes, if you also have statistical programs to give you their info then the better, but if not, then it is OK too.

Reply #20

LANTERN — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:12:37 GMT

A pocket calculator might be very fast maybe, I don't know, but can't give you winning lottery numbers, or Can it

Reply #19

RJOh — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:11:27 GMT

Pacattack05,I think what you want is a program that looks at the history of a pick3 games and come up with a formula that had you used it earlier, it would have picked a small group of combinations that contained a winner 50% of the time or better. I doubt if anyone going to that for you so you'll have to do it yourself. Once you come up with the formula, as rlevins says the programming part is easy, but I doubt if you will give the information to anyone to program, but if you do decide to sha... [ More ]

Reply #18

LANTERN — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:07:09 GMT

I have before won on the Texas pick 3 boxed 3 times in a row, using a very very old and very slow and cheap computer and a fairly simple and small program with a very simple filters system.With from 20 + to 40 + boxed combos, 30 average combos more or less.The computer itself didn't have anything to do with the wins, any computer could had been used, the Crunch 2 and my knowing how to use it for filtering had everything to do with it.Simple program, simple system and a very slow and old computer... [ More ]

Reply #17

pacattack05 — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:56:18 GMT

I wanna thank everyone for their input. Very informative and intelligent insight to something I didn't have a clue about.I guess if I could afford a program that costs $100,000, then I wouldn't even bothertrying to win the lottery in the first place.What I would really like to do is rent that IBM computer that does a trillion calculations a second. Just for about an hour.LOL

Reply #16

RJOh — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:39:10 GMT

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Reply #15

LANTERN — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:16:51 GMT

I just took a quick look at the last 10 Midday and also the last 10 Evening Texas draws, it looks as if with Texas you maybe expect to have favorable draws about half of the time more or less, that is that filters have a much better chance of working in about half of the Texas draws and out of those you can expect to fail about 2 to 3 times out of 4 maybe, so in the end you might have a 20 to 25% chance of winning with filters and with from about 25 to 45 combos per draw, to make money you woul... [ More ]

Reply #14

truecritic — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:02:22 GMT

Not sure you would call it reverse engineering but... MaxHitPro will automatically test 1,000s of systems on your lotto, daily or keno game, calculate what they really won in the past, and display the Top10 winners www.lotteryhits.com

Reply #13

LANTERN — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:22:56 GMT

Not all programmers are good enough to make certain programs, I found that out, in which language(s) do you program and can you also give the source code of such program(s) besides the compiled version also when done ? And do you have enough spare time for programming so the program won't take forever to be done ?Thank you

Reply #12

tntea — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:20:13 GMT

LOL.. with the class.. you can make double that the first month.. but you have to be discipline enough to stick with the program...

Reply #11

LANTERN — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:11:37 GMT

PacThere is one that has a demo with 1 000 neurons, but is not very good, if you buy the 1 000 000 neurons version which is very expensive it might work OK if used right.Can't remember the name of the program right now, there is also a 100 000 neurons version, that might work O.K for getting single digits or maybe even pairs by position, but you might be wasting your money, I don't know, even that version is very very expensive.You might be much better off, paying $ 250 000 to Cash34ologist for... [ More ]

Reply #10

rlevins — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:56:28 GMT

Programming is an easy part. The main thing thing is what and how you want to do it. Although I do not play pick 3 or pick 4, I may be interested in volunteering (just for fun) if anyone is interested in programming help.

Reply #9

pacattack05 — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:09:12 GMT

Thanx Rjoh....I know there's got to be a programmer out there, somewhere. I will find them.

Reply #8

RJOh — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:01:54 GMT

pacattack05 writes: I don't care if it works or not. Just sell me a gizmo...a gadget...a hoo dickey......a widget.....anything..... pacattack05,There's plenty of crappy lottery software that will make any claim that you want. Just be willing to spend the money. I'm not a programmer by trade but I dabble in GWBasic for fun and I think I could write a piece of crap if the money is right, but it would be better if you decided what you want and hire a professional programmer to write it for you.... [ More ]

Reply #7

pacattack05 — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:36:17 GMT

Only $250.00? That's cheap. Thanx......

Reply #6

pacattack05 — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:33:41 GMT

Thanx Raven62. I'll give it a lookie.https://www.lotterypost.com/search.asp?q=vra f=10

Reply #5

Raven62 — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:12:56 GMT

You might want to take a look at VRA:https://www.lotterypost.com/search.asp?q=vra f=10

Reply #4

paurths — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:13:58 GMT

Please deposit $250 000 into account XXX and it's all yours! If it's raining in Guatemala, snowing in Zambia and freezing in Spain, at the exact time of your transfer, you will get a refund of $50 000! What a deal!!! As for the reverse engineering part, i'd give Stephen Hawking a phonecall.Or better yet, forget the haw , just call Stephen King

Reply #3

powerplayer — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:34:10 GMT

Pac,I'm sure it possable to make one. I know I'm trying to. LOL Well not exacatly like reverse engineering but similiar to it and so far I'm not doing bad about designing it.Check out my posts on my own system called Lottery Tracker.So far so good. I'm working on the hit and skip thing.If I get this done then I think we might be in for some money$$$$$$$$$ LOL Powerplayer

Reply #2

pacattack05 — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:19:32 GMT

LOL....I guess I'm reaching. But even if someone had it, they wouldn't release it. I wish they could just make something up, and sell it to me for goodness sake!!I don't care if it works or not. Just sell me a gizmo...a gadget...a hoo dickey......a widget.....anything.....

Reply #1

powerplayer — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:12:11 GMT

Pac,If there was a program that could do that out on the net or market then someone would have it and have done it.I don't think a reverse engineering program is out there for pick 3 or pick 4.There might be a program out there that was designed to do reverse engineering but, I don't think it was ment for pick 3 or any lottery game.I have done a lot of searches on this and have not come up with anything as of yet. Powerplayer

Reverse engineering

pacattack05 — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:08:01 GMT

Does anyone have a link that shows where to purchase software that's able to look at an individual state's entire pick-3 game's history, with a bias towards reverse engineering, anticipating maybe 10 or so sets to play for the following drawing, and be profitable