vtracs....useless or not??

Reply #206

RJOh — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 04:28:31 GMT

I don't play Lot'O Play because of the 12 combinations on the $2 ticket, the player can only pick one and I prefer to pick all my numbers.

Reply #205

Tenaj — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 04:21:46 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by tntea on March 4, 2006 I used the Great Value too when I ate the stuff..

Gives me heart burn..

So now I replace it with Mayo... lol

This is what you got on the prediction board today out of all of those numbers you predicted but claimed to have 3 hits.

tnteaMarylandMidday Pick 3Straight + 6-Way Box6-4-86-4-8$290

Reply #204

tntea — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 04:11:16 GMT

I used the Great Value too when I ate the stuff..

Gives me heart burn..

So now I replace it with Mayo... lol

Reply #203

truecritic — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 04:06:55 GMT

RJ

Maybe combine all 3 brands for a Lot O Play ticket

Reply #202

four4me — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 04:03:16 GMT

As a test the other day I put up the whole list of pick 4 sums that equaled 21 not one of them hit midday or evening that day in any state. 38 pick 4 numbers. I only did it cause I checked to see if the sum 21 was missing for a couple of states. Next day did the 21 sums 19 sums and some other sums was like 50 pick 4 numbers and hardly any one of the 50 hit anywhere. Bad luck no luck random expiation who the heck knows. But as sure as you could say jiffy nearly every sum except the one I listed o... [ More ]

Reply #201

RJOh — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 03:29:27 GMT

Peter Pan and Jif are great brands but I prefer Wal-Mart's store brand Great Value.

Reply #200

tntea — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 03:19:23 GMT

Please do share..

We will see which is better JIf or Peter...

Reply #199

LOTTOMIKE — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 03:17:00 GMT

you got it!! i'm going to go get my jar and see what magical combination i can whip up.......

Reply #198

Tenaj — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 03:14:18 GMT

She really doesn't know any better Clairvoyance. All she need to do is stop talking about other people systems and comparing them to V-tracs.

I hit a anywhere somewhere number this morning. Placed it in all midday states straight. I can do that because I know how.

Reply #197

tntea — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 03:13:43 GMT

ok.. I will go with that. it is close to what I have right now..

Thanks truecritic.. Let's watch it...

Reply #196

truecritic — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 03:06:16 GMT

Jif says F10034-3A

INTEGER (10034/p) = 3194

You putting Peter Pan up against that Pick 4

Reply #195

Clairvoyance — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:59:21 GMT

Tntea,

Now this bit hit a soft spot in me:

I know anyone can throw up a list of 13 -15 numbers and say .. See these fall, SOMEWHERE,.. because they sure will fall somewhere...

This is NOT a TRUE statement! I surely do not want thrown in with the ANYONE you say here! Personally I just posted 2 triples out of 10 and both came in a matter of days!!!!!!!

Besides that I have seen people post 20 or 25 numbers and None of them come at all! So the fact that ANYONE can... [ More ]

Reply #194

LOTTOMIKE — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:56:37 GMT

what do you get when you cross peanut butter and vtracs....

a winner

Reply #193

Tenaj — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:50:08 GMT

I'm not the only one who have said that, but the only one who have said it out flat. Why is Tntea pushing membership so hard lately? Every other word out of Tntea's mouth is about upgrading to a paying members so that you can take advantage of the new V-tracs page and it will make you a winner. She pushed membership just as hard as she did V-tracs. One is even in this thread. We thought it was strange since it took her forever to become a paying member.

For those of us who have been payin... [ More ]

Reply #192

LOTTOMIKE — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:47:34 GMT

ok what we do here is get any jar of peanut butter(perferably peter pan) then get the serial numbers off the bottom of the jar and the numbers are good until the expiration date on the jar

Reply #191

tntea — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:26:20 GMT

Ok Lotto Mike.. share those numbers..

I quit eating Peanut butter.. so I cannot get the good anymore.. unless I feed it to the cat..

Here kitty kitty.. Mommy has a surprise for you...

Reply #190

LOTTOMIKE — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:09:25 GMT

peter pan has been shown to hit the spot 50 percent more than jif,show me another peanut butter that does that good and we will all be full

Reply #189

LOTTOMIKE — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:07:45 GMT

why my goodness are you insulting peter pan peanut butter?

are you saying jif is better??

prove it!!! PETER PAN WAS SHOWN TO GIVE MORE WINS ITS TRUE!

show me one time that jif is better.on average peter pan hits the spot more!!!

LOL

Reply #188

LAVERNE MALONEY — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 01:55:48 GMT

tntea, the title the first line of that link tells me why you put that post out. It's because people were coming at you, alot of conversation references about your blog concerning my system.

Clearly your link posted was not generated from any true regret of your own. It was birthed out of all of the talk concerning what you had said about me in your blog. The bulk of the link posted states many of your defenses for which you continually justify your actions.

When you truly regret doin... [ More ]

Reply #187

tntea — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 01:30:30 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by LAVERNE MALONEY on March 4, 2006 Quote: Originally posted by tntea on March 4, 2006 I did not knock another system. Just stated it didn't work for me and was costing me money by playing the numbers across the country with hopes that something would hit..

tntea you stated more than the simple statement above. In your blog you described all of the rigors that my system took you through. Which means you were really trying to learn but could not.

You compared... [ More ]

Reply #186

Todd — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 01:17:16 GMT

Tenaj,

As soon as you start saying anything that implies that I do anything here just to bring in memberships and upgrades is a flat-out insult.

Now I'm angry about this, and I'm not kidding. You should know better.

For SIX years I have funded this web site out of my own pocket. I do not make anywhere close to the money it takes to run this site out of membership fees and advertising costs.

In fact, I run practically no ads at all. Go to any other web site of this size, and see... [ More ]

Reply #185

Tinker — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:33:02 GMT

I like both of them systems. Never gone hungry yet.

Reply #184

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 22:11:59 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by tntea on March 4, 2006 Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on March 4, 2006 Quote: Originally posted by tntea on March 4, 2006 I did not knock another system. Just stated it didn't work for me and was costing me money by playing the numbers across the country with hopes that something would hit..

It didn't work for you because you don't have the knowledge to use it. It's wasn't necessary for you to use it in comparison. I tried lots of systems that didn't work... [ More ]

Reply #183

tntea — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:53:07 GMT

now I am a leader?

Didn't know that. I am only another LP poster..

Reply #182

LAVERNE MALONEY — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:50:19 GMT

tntea you stated more than the simple statement above. In your blog you described all of the rigors that my system took you through. Which means you were really trying to learn but could not.

You compared it to your v-tracs method. Showing that the v-tracs method worked very well for you. However, you had to downgrade my system in order to prove your success with something that worked for you. When a system works on it's own merit, you don't have to down another system to prove it.

tntea,... [ More ]

Reply #181

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:41:09 GMT

12? If you have 12 doubles you are clueless. There should never be that many because a good player have it narrowed down to 2 or 3. No wonder you lost.

That's a shame.

Reply #180

Rick G — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:39:32 GMT

LANTERN,

Yes, randomness is bad and your methods are better. Randomness can easily be beaten. That is why you are doing so well in your predictions posted on the prediction page. I believe you're at 0% profit and hit ratio lifetime? WTG

Reply #179

truecritic — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:31:36 GMT

LOTTOMIKE

Can you give me some statistics about how your numbers chosen thru Peter Pan are better than random?

My Jif jar is full of peanut butter right now or I would glady post my winning percentages

Reply #178

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:31:24 GMT

It didn't work for you because you don't have the knowledge to use it. It's wasn't necessary for you to use it in comparison. I tried lots of systems that didn't work for me in the beginning but I knew people who it worked well for. They had knowledge that I hadn't acquired. A knowledgeable player knows that.

Just stop using others systems in comparison to V-tracs because these people know something you haven't grown to know yet.

I'm not knocking V-tracs. l'm knocking you because you... [ More ]

Reply #177

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:00:25 GMT

i like peter pan creamy.i can make a hell of a peanut butter sandwhich

Reply #176

tntea — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:59:23 GMT

Now we know the problem.. it isn't the vtracs

I am willing to show you that with out the vtracs..

the double method doesn't work for me..

Give me the hot 12 doubles to play. I will play those on paper.. 25cent box..all states.. and then all 36 st.. we will see how much money is made in 1 week..

2 weeks

3 weeks..

so forth .. you name the numbers.. and the time span. makes me no difference.

Reply #175

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:56:10 GMT

I hope you learn some leadership skills. Go buy a book on the qualities leaders are made of.

Reply #174

tntea — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:55:59 GMT

I did not knock another system. Just stated it didn't work for me and was costing me money by playing the numbers across the country with hopes that something would hit..

Reply #173

truecritic — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:54:50 GMT

I use Jif peanut butter.

Extra crunchy - LOL

Reply #172

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:54:16 GMT

I wouldn't have said a word if Tntea hadn't mentioned other LP members systems in comparison to V-tracs. When are you going to learn. A good player can make those systems work for them. You just don't know how.

You ain't out of the woods yet and the prediction board will show how good V-tracs is. There will be no copycatting and Monday morning quarterbacking.

Reply #171

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:53:18 GMT

i think we should all move on and forget about it........

Reply #170

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:46:17 GMT

Well that's exactly what she did to another poster's system while comparing it to V-tracs and the someplace system, double mirrors system. Good players make those systems work for them.

I'm defending other systems. Just because she didn't have the knowledge to make them work for her doesn't mean they don't work.

And besides good leaders don't do that. A good player can see the whole picture.

Reply #169

tntea — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:39:22 GMT

Got any good number from the peanut butter jar? Want to use my vtracs with it to pick the state to play..

The vtracs are only a cover up.. it isn't the problem here.. Seen it too many times.. There are others who don't like the vtracs.. but they dont go ranting and ranting about..

Reply #168

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:35:50 GMT

LEARN SOME LEADERSHIP SKILLS

Reply #167

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:31:29 GMT

i think a person should be able to use whatever system they want to without it being slammed by another person because it does or doesn't work.if she wants to use vtrac let her use it.if i want to look through a peanut butter jar to get my numbers i'll do it.a person should be able to use the system they want without being put under a microscope.what works for one person might not work for another person.live and let live.........

Reply #166

Konformthismfs — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:23:16 GMT

Reow! Hisssssss

Reply #165

tntea — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:18:14 GMT

LOL

This has been funny... thanks Janet..

Reply #164

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:13:21 GMT

She put down anyplace somewhere numbers as well and good players hit from that stratgery. You just have to have the right number and right way. Just because she hasn't learned to use different stratgeries well doesn't mean they are not profitable. Newbie might believe her.

Don't compare others systems when you are explaining yours. Learn Leaderships skills Tntea. A good leader do not bring up a questionable subject when they have not personally apologized.

Just because the big guys c... [ More ]

Reply #163

Tinker — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:09:42 GMT

Prove V-tracs on the predictiion board and not in the threads, otherwise they don't count.

What does the prediction board have to do with it?

You can see what time the numbers were posted in the threads.

I think they are before the drawings.

Reply #162

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:59:31 GMT

We will all see when the special V-trac results page is available and there won't be any Monday Morning Quarterbacking.

Reply #161

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:48:19 GMT

I wasn't talking to you Marshall. You still haven't answered the question. Where are the hits you are taking credit for location in midday today on the prediction board? Where?

If those hits you are claiming were because of V-tracs why didn't you predict them for everybody to hit this midday. People hit more than you hit midday today and for more money using other systems. You look foolish.

Prove V-tracs on the predictiion board and not in the threads, otherwise they don't count.... [ More ]

Reply #160

Todd — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:35:54 GMT

What the heck are you talking about?????

If tntea wants to talk about her success playing vtracs, then she has every right to do so, and I'm very glad that she is, because it helps me understand the system better. From what I can see, a lot of other people like the advice as well.

Why don't you just block her messages from being displayed on your screen? This nit-picking on everything tntea says is tiresome.

Reply #159

tntea — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:33:07 GMT

nope... the prediction board doesn't pay me...

Gone on a date.. be back later...

time to treat myself..

Reply #158

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:31:58 GMT

Tntea, I don't see any of those hits on the prediction board.

Reply #157

tntea — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:31:04 GMT

have you

Reply #156

tntea — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:30:33 GMT

Todd,

I was making a point that one should not consider any method useless.. instead, learn to use it to their advantage..

This thread has went on and on about whether the vtracs are useless or not.. Janet even mentioned that it wasn't useless..

It is a one method that can be added to someone's bag of tricks ...

Gems are another one.. pairs are another one.. stacks are another one.. lantern's great knowledge of filters are another one.. Califdude rare number are another one.. I co... [ More ]

Reply #155

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:26:01 GMT

Ever heard of leaving well enough alone

Reply #154

tntea — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:24:34 GMT

Tenaj..

Why does it bother you where I put my posting? It doesn't bother me where you put yours?

or where any one puts theirs for that matter...

Reply #153

Todd — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:22:30 GMT

I don't see any comparisons at all in tntea's post. Do you not like the fact that tntea gave the gems a compliment in her post? Personally, I thought it was a nice gesture.

Reply #152

Tenaj — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:17:38 GMT

Tntea, you need to stop comparing V-tracs to other member's systems and prove V-tracs on the prediction board and not on the threads.

Reply #151

tntea — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 18:50:31 GMT

Lantern,

There are so many helpful people here at LP.. if the negative ones would stop being so negative, this would be on positive place to visit..

Califdude helped me nail TN today.. how? Using my vtracs and his great eye... he mentioned in a post a while back that after a double look for a rare..

I was thinking.. all odd..or all even since our 667 last night.. I used the numbers and vtrac exchange.. and came up with the 824... little box.. but still ok..

The Gems that spread fro... [ More ]

Reply #150

LANTERN — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 17:39:21 GMT

TNTEA is right!

Can't Win People

Don't let the door hit you on the way out! We have too many of you already.

Now we need more Can Win People make some room for them.

Random , That is the funniest thing that I have ever heard of, I know that there is an exact and precise reason for any and every single thing that has ever happened anywhere, maybe you don't know why, but that does not mean that it is random, that only means that you are ignorant.

When everything has to obey pre... [ More ]

Reply #149

tntea — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 16:36:59 GMT

Lantern they haven't a clue...

Each vtrac work out is for that one particular state..

I know anyone can throw up a list of 13 -15 numbers and say .. See these fall, SOMEWHERE,.. because they sure will fall somewhere...

thanks for trying to explain..

If one wants to learn it.. the lessons are provided in the blog.. and one can go in there with an open mind and learn it.. or go in there with doubts.. and walk away the same as they were when they went into it..

It is a matter of... [ More ]

Reply #148

LANTERN — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 08:52:03 GMT

It is the state lotteries that a person should worry about, not random.

You can learn to beat Random any time of the day or night on any day, well almost, at least often enough anyway.

Reply #147

LANTERN — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 08:28:30 GMT

Wherefore (Wheretofore) art thou here at the Lottery Post? Wasting your time, nothing better to do?

If I thought that there was no way that I could often win more than I would spend on playing the lottery, then I would not be here.

Some peoples mission here appears to be to hinder others in their efforts, that appears to be their sole purpose in permanently being here, since they never leave, they appear to be here to tell any and everybody that there is no way that anybody can ever win in... [ More ]

Reply #146

RJOh — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:24:17 GMT

Todd writes:

We all know that the lottery is purposely constructed to be as random as possible, so there is NO system that will always win. It's more of a concept that you have to strike when the iron is hot , meaning that you have to play the right numbers at the right time, and any consistencies in number occurences are fleeting, so if you are looking for long-term consistencies, you will likely not find them.

I agree. For example one system might be playing numbers that have hit in... [ More ]

Reply #145

LANTERN — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:01:14 GMT

RJOH I don't know from where or from who you got the idea that the predicted numbers will be for all states.

They will be for only one state and for only one draw, 1 prediction for 1 draw and for 1 state.

Jap69

I say that perhaps I might win no less than about 25% of the time Boxed and win with from 25 to 45 combos boxed , I never get exactly the same ammount of predicted combos.

I might do some straight predictions also, but not sure yet. For how long will I predict ? I don't know y... [ More ]

Reply #144

RJOh — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:16:15 GMT

Picking 25 to 45 combos and checking them against all the pick3 games is a way to guarantee a few hits and is an old trick. The overall odds of a box hit is 1:220 in pick3 games. Comparing 25 to 45 combos with 30 different games is the same as comparing 750-1350 combos to one game which make the odds of a hit is 3-7:1 when considering box hits. That is no way to prove a pick3 system is a winner, you don't even have to know math to know that.

Reply #143

JAP69 — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:44:30 GMT

I would like to know what type of percentage we are talking about here.

Is it the hit percentage of the numbers selected or predicted?

Or is it the prize ratio for dollars spent on the game?

I primarily go for straight hits in the 3 game and the prize percentage ratio is what I want to see. Going for straight hits the money that is not spent on box plays would go towards the percentage for straight hits in the game.

So If I play $1.00 per draw I would need a straight hit once every 5... [ More ]

Reply #142

LANTERN — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:06:21 GMT

I can't just pick 1, 2 or just a few numbers, but by using the randomness of filters patterns and picking from 25 to 45 combos I do improve my chances often or so I think, but might be wrong, we will see soon enough.

I expect no worse than winning in 1 prediction out of every 4, but Who knows what will happen

Reply #141

LANTERN — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:58:51 GMT

Well, starting some time soon, maybe on Monday or Tuesday, I will start to post some predictions on the pick 3 forum, this will be done On the fly that is without any prior testing on paper and or on past draws.

Let us see how we can do against the state lotteries, I will try to keep it up for at least 1 to 2 weeks, I am not sure, maybe longer.

I have no idea of course of how those predictions will turn out, but since they will be Cloaked and as close to the cut off time as possible, b... [ More ]

Reply #140

Rick G — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:52:32 GMT

This is a little bit off topic and probably shouldn't be in this thread but since it is a hot topic that won't be pushed off the page right away and lost in the ether, I chose to post it here. Since we've been talking about random number expectation vs. subjective/objective analysis I would like to comment on that. RNG's are extremely useful when you are using the right numbers in an array (old BASIC term...don't know if they refer to it that way now).

Simply put, you pick a subset of numbe... [ More ]

Reply #139

cps10 — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:37:21 GMT

Folks

This is getting tiring I will admit. The only way that you can HOPE to beat the lottery in the long-run is to use some sort of progressive betting that allows you to recoup your losses after a long losing streak. Only then can you guarantee that you will win in the long-run and beat a negative expectation game like the lottery.

The problem herein lies with the bankroll required to overcome such obstacles. I have done long-term testing on Vtracs and overdue Vtracs and Vtrac roots/sums... [ More ]

Reply #138

RJOh — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:24:41 GMT

Todd,

Your responses are fast. I started writing a respond to xavier's post and before I was done and post, your respond was up and I didn't see it. I'm sorry if I repeated your respond.

RJOh

Reply #137

RJOh — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:15:01 GMT

xavier102772 responds:

None of the systems that I use beat random expectation by more than 100%, so I don't play them.

I'm confused, if you don't play any of the systems you use, do you play the lotteries at all?

I don't think a repeatable system that beats random expectation exists for any lottery type game but I could be wrong. I've been reading most of the system posts since before I became a member and I don't recall anyone every proving that such a system exits. Could you post a... [ More ]

Reply #136

Todd — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:08:15 GMT

Thank you, finally we get to the punchline of this discussion.

Because you have set up impossible conditions for any system to meet, you can insert the name of any system in the subject line of the topic, and the answer (according to you) will always be it's useless.

We all know that the lottery is purposely constructed to be as random as possible, so there is NO system that will always win. It's more of a concept that you have to strike when the iron is hot , meaning that you have to... [ More ]

Reply #135

xavier102772 — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:56:48 GMT

None of the systems that I use beat random expectation by more than 100%, so I don't play them. What's the point in pick3 to play such a system? There os none. Anyway, when you guys cough up proof and a set procedure on vtracs, I'll be more than happy to oblige you with proof of a system that beats random expectation. If you know anything you'd know that systems that beat random expectation are everywhere. Even in many posts on this site. Do you even know any math or what? If you did have... [ More ]

Reply #134

Todd — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:08:33 GMT

xavier102772,

I see that you did not answer my question about the system that YOU use.

I'll repeat my question, and make it the ONLY point of this post, so that you have nothing other than this question to answer:

Please post your proof that the system you use is repeatable, and always beats random expectation.

Reply #133

xavier102772 — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:57:01 GMT

Oh, my god are you for real Todd? Come on. It reads like a tabloid newspaper how badly my words have been taken out of context. I'm not bashing vtracs just cause I'm bored, I'm not looking to make money off my own system, I don't want to steal the vtracs system, I don't want anybody's free picks, I'm not a system seller. My motive is truth.

Anyway, if perhaps what I have written was not clear enough, perhaps it was even long winded. However, JKING and Rick G have both gotten my point... [ More ]

Reply #132

tntea — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 04:35:23 GMT

there is nothing better than a pick 4 hit..

I love them..

Congrats..and many more to you..

Reply #131

masslottery — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:16:51 GMT

this is for you lottery junkies like meam new here like 2days sence then i hit twice i been on a drought for a very longtime like 5months now i feel a comeback i couldnt hit for jack but before that i hit on a reg like 3 to 5 times but mass lottery did something very fishy one this what happen 100 people our more hit the mass cash from a forture cookie so know they read all the lootery books that are out their to make their numbers harder to its the truth every sence they did i had a very hardt... [ More ]

Reply #130

emilyg — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 01:42:27 GMT

nice win congrats

Reply #129

masslottery — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 01:39:06 GMT

thany you you help been reading your post to i like your numbers for mass im playing this next 3629 1407 but i have a strong feeling for these number's 7135 3113 6316

Reply #128

Tenaj — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 01:27:57 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by masslottery on March 2, 2006 here proof that vtrec and the up one down one works i hit the number again thats two nite's in a row i hit useing both sytems it works mass daily was 2158 my v numbers were v2 =1-6 v4=3-8 v2=1-6 v1=0-5 now the 1 up and the 1 down method nite before 6325= 7436/5214 and they i play i hit it fron and back have a nice day

Reply #127

masslottery — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 01:21:13 GMT

here proof that vtrec and the up one down one works i hit the number again thats two nite's in a row i hit useing both sytems it works mass daily was 2158 my v numbers were v2 =1-6 v4=3-8 v2=1-6 v1=0-5 now the 1 up and the 1 down method nite before 6325= 7436/5214 and they i play i hit it fron and back have a nice day

Reply #126

Todd — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:55:54 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by xavier102772 on March 2, 2006 Are you serious Todd? Have you read the othere posts I've put on this board? They are very knowledgeable, logical and insightful in terms of lottery and mathematics. However, unlike those people uninformed, not knowledgeable and perhaps plain gullible, I've also been around long enough to test any theory, system, strategy that seems worth testing, at least to either prove or disprove it's usefulless. Anyway, I'm really curious as to m... [ More ]

Reply #125

Rick G — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:12:00 GMT

I don't think Xavier was being malicious in his first and subsequent posts. To ask for quantitative proof or a step-by-step procedure that gives profitable results on a repeatable basis without subjectivity of any kind is reasonable and objective.

The vtracs have been around a lot longer than when they were introduced here. I was checking out this concept about 5 years ago on another web site. I do not have the original website address but I think it was referred to in an earlier post in t... [ More ]

Reply #124

Tenaj — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:14:37 GMT

U R welcome Budward.

Reply #123

budward — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:05:07 GMT

Todd - when will the results page be ready? tenaj - thanks for all your hard work on helping people learn about the V-Trac system.

Reply #122

tntea — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:56:05 GMT

Credit I seek not I rehash..

For I am only in this for the Cash..

I am very thankful that Todd is adding the result page to keep down the amount of paper work I am having to do..

I am sure other users will benefit from it as well.

Every tool available is valuable to one if put in use.

Everyone uses the tools differently. It is great to be a paid member so I can use the tools the way I need to in order to make a profit each week.

I am sure I use those tools differently than... [ More ]

Reply #121

Tenaj — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:29:42 GMT

xavier102772 Vtracs will prove itself on the special results page that was created for it. No taking credit for hits in the threads unless it was predicted on the prediction board.

Reply #120

tntea — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:27:14 GMT

I am not confused to when it comes to what numbers to play.

As for the 'Gems I only mentioned they didnt work for me.

I could have been doing them wrong.. who knows, nothing was ever explained..

I was given 12 sets of numbers to play across the states.. 56 draws a day.. at $168 to play box and hope that at least 3 hit to make a profit.. I wasn't going to do that.. if I picked one from the 12.. $14 spent and one of the others fell..

I am not talking about the vtracs clicking .. t... [ More ]

Reply #119

xavier102772 — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:00:08 GMT

Are you serious Todd? Have you read the othere posts I've put on this board? They are very knowledgeable, logical and insightful in terms of lottery and mathematics. However, unlike those people uninformed, not knowledgeable and perhaps plain gullible, I've also been around long enough to test any theory, system, strategy that seems worth testing, at least to either prove or disprove it's usefulless. Anyway, I'm really curious as to my alterior motive, other than seeking the truth.... [ More ]

Reply #118

Todd — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:47:37 GMT

Like I've said, I've been at this long enough to be able to understand the underlying motivations for these things. What people say and what they do are often two different things.

Reply #117

xavier102772 — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:38:09 GMT

Actually Todd, my original question was directed to whether or not vtacs does or does not beat random expectation. It is really a simple question and quite easily tested and verified. However, the main proponents of vtracs will now show anyone the proof, along with the exact, repeatable method of aquiring results. Really, I could do it, but I'm not the originator of the system and trying to put vtracs down into a system that every person who follows it will get the same combinations from seem... [ More ]

Reply #116

Snakeyes — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:01:05 GMT

JKING,

Thanks for responding. Although I am basically a newbie at lottery and the available systems in practice, I am in complete agreement with you. I do not believe there is one single system in existence that can beat random expectation. It is also true that one aspect of a system can be inaccurate 100% of the time and as such, throw off the entire number generation the system produces. Understanding vtracs deals with 5 digits as opposed to 10, I would think one could quantify its

Reply #115

Todd — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:36:43 GMT

Tntea,

I don't understand it either. From what I can gather, there are two types of negativity happening here:

Those who refuse to acknowledge that it is even in the realm of possibility that vtracs could have some merit.Those who claim that you are trying to completely take over the entire forum, and who insist that you are ramming vtracs down everyone's thoats.

I utterly dismiss both attitudes, and the only reason I continue to post messages to this thread is so that if a newbie come... [ More ]

Reply #114

Tenaj — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:33:03 GMT

There is one thing for sure pointers don't click, they Hit and travel and the prediction board proved it from week to week and I don't post a zillion threads adding up to hundreds of numbers. My set of numbers were constant for the week.

I don't shove the pointers in everybody's face constantly or compare them to other members systems.

I don't take credit for numbers that were not on the prediction board. V-trac does for the most part and that's why it's validity is quesitonable. An... [ More ]

Reply #113

masslottery — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:06:04 GMT

o yea i hit the mass daily thanks to the vtec sytem and the one up and down method for you none belevires didnt hit for much but it beats a blank last nite number 6325 i played 0235 ps does anyone have a update for the vtec sytem ty email it to me have a great day my preditions for the next 10 days mass daily 7436 8547 9658 0769 1870 2981 3092 4103 5214

Reply #112

tntea — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:20:49 GMT

I am still confused to know what others are complaining about. If the vtracs doesn't click with you, or the stacks, or the gems, or the pointers, then move on.

I could have sit there working with those methods I couldn't win with for the rest of my life.. I chose to move on..

Sure glad I did...

*If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got..*

*If you fail to plan, plan to fail.

Reply #111

Amazing Grace — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:18:13 GMT

Dont take that the wrong way it was not against you in any way, it was to everyone who is complaining.

I use all systems and still lose

But when I win I win.

So no negatives to you.

Reply #110

tntea — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:15:04 GMT

As for spending rent money,.. those people who don't have the extra money to spend on gambling, should not be playing anyway..

When I decide to play a state with vtracs... it is either a $2-$5 play nothing more..

btw.. you never answered my question. if your system is so great , why inquire on someone else's

Reply #109

tntea — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:13:54 GMT

Not quite... Not quite.. People gave me hard time when I was posting the numbers.. Taking up too many spots on the board..

The system has not let me down. and I still get pms from those who have made over $3grand this year alone.

I know this will be shot down as untrue.. but however, those people who pm will have to decided to come forward with their name..

They are just sitting in background laughing at a bunch of the non-believers on here.. Needless to say, I am laughing with them.... [ More ]

Reply #108

Saleo Paleo — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:37:26 GMT

Tenaj,I use The V-tracs and the Staxxs ,Look at my thread KY/Tn/Ga/Ill and see the hits I get,using them,P3's and P4's,then give your comment,and my #'s are posted,there.

Reply #107

emilyg — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:04:55 GMT

it did not go unnoticed. thanks.