Pick 4 Math Help?

Reply #31

Badger — Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:53:22 GMT

Yes, it's been drawn. That was the last time it was drawn in any of its permutations; that was 3,045 days ago. It hasn't been seen in any box since.

Reply #30

four4me — Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:50:30 GMT

Badger yea it has been drawn but i don't know which drawing it was as related to number count.

Wisconsin lottery

Thursday, 5 March, 1998

Winning Numbers

4 - 6 - 2 - 0

Reply #29

Badger — Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:18:38 GMT

I'm not looking at straight. THe 0246 has been out period (not even a box) for over 3,000 draws.

Reply #28

four4me — Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:59:36 GMT

Wisconsin's lottery pick 4 draws haven't been out ten yrs yet and only one draw a day. Close to 3590 draws ther abouts.

You probably have 8500 numbers that havent hit straight yet.

Reply #27

paurths — Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:43:10 GMT

Hi,

it was mentioned before in this thread, the numbers that fall are combinations of hot and cold (and in between).

Same goes for high low, odd even, in out, ... name it.

0246; take it into pieces

024: not hitting that bad in WI, last skips 16, 58, 90, 30, 10, 0, 159 draws, currently skip of 5 draws, with an average of 49.54 draws

026: has just had its share of being invisible, last skips 98, 209, 40, 29n 24, 112, currently skip of 15 draws, with an average of 51.28 draws

046: Doin

Reply #26

CalifDude — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:20:55 GMT

I don't think you will find that I said play all hot digits . If you have a state/draw that seems to never have more than 3 odd or even sums in a row, then you watch for that pattern and play it. There are a LOT of things than can be hot or cold besides just digits. I (well 9 of us) made a lot of money playing Tennessee Pick 3 online in a few months. There was a pattern of high/low and odd/even that I saw and followed. At one point we were up to $3 a number. It was amazing and lots of fun... [ More ]

Reply #25

Badger — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:08:28 GMT

Well I don't play 0246 boxed daily. Like I said, in the end, the Daily Games are all about lucky timing. Whatever combo you are looking at WILL hit one day...the thing no one knows is when. You just have to hope its the day you play it.

As to hot digits, as I mentioned earlier, that is IMHO just as tough a play, because combinations seldom are composed of all hot digits. If they were, everyone would have easier winners all the time. So to me, there is little difference. It's merely a choice w... [ More ]

Reply #24

Badger — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:03:51 GMT

Something to think about and play around with...thanks.

Reply #23

CalifDude — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:44:37 GMT

If you like playing overdue numbers, try 999 in Texas. It has not hit in Midday or Evening since the beginning of Pick 3 in Texas (January 1997). So, when does one start betting an overdue number and when does one quit (go broke)? If you noticed in 2000 that 999 had not hit for 3 years, and you started playing it, you would have been playing it now for 6 years. Even with progressive betting, you would have had to sell the house and the kids just to play 999 in Texas!

Someone the other day... [ More ]

Reply #22

Raven62 — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:41:01 GMT

For one reason or another some combinations do not occur at the frequency expected, and falling in love with these combinations will cost you $$$. Some popular combinations may be banned, which would explain the low hit count.

Game(s): Wisconsin Daily Pick 4

Date range: All Available History

ABCD=0246=1 hit

ABC=024=64 hits

ABD=026=62 hits

ACD=046=47 hits

BCD=246=50 hits

Tier 14

1042(4012,2014,4102,1420,4201,1204,4201,4201,0124,2410,1420,1240,1420)

Tier 12

1206(1206,6012,1206... [ More ]

Reply #21

Fibonacci — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:08:18 GMT

Good post badger.

If someone is looking for a long overdue combo liike 0246

why not try such combinations

. Break up the number into its pairs , mirror the pairs ormone digit..and try combos with these tweaks...

One will come.

I don't know which state someone is looking for 0246 but check this out

Pairs: 02, 04, 06, 24, 26, 46

1_digit mirror: 52, 54, 56, 74, 76, 96, 07, 09, 01, 29, 21, 41

Pair Mirrors: 57, 59, 51, 79, 71, 91

If any of the poairs in... [ More ]

Reply #20

Badger — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:40:39 GMT

The problem with lotto is that hot digits, by themselves, usually seldom show up in combinations drawn. There are always cold digits and warm/average digits involved. So we are back to just taking a best shot . You look and (let's say) 9 has fallen 5 times in the last seven draws. You think it's hot . It suddenly goes on hiatus for 10-15 draws. Happens all the time with hot digits. And that's only one of the pitfalls. I guess that's why the games are so interesting, but it's also why they'r... [ More ]

Reply #19

four4me — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 06:29:57 GMT

0246 has never hit straight in maryland either. along with about 4000 other p4 numbers that haven't hit straight.

I havn't figured out the amount of yrs for a total of p4 draws but i'll say it's been about 25yrs. combining midday and evening draws. around 18,000 draws.

so based on this info i'll be dead and buried long before all 10000 pick4's have hit straight. Fact is there probably are some p4's straights that might never hit in our lifetime.

Reply #18

CalifDude — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:42:10 GMT

Badger,

You would be better off (IMO) to play the hot numbers not the numbers that are overdue. As you can see, if long ago you would have looked at 0246 and saw that it had skipped 2,000 drawings and decided it was time to start playing it, you would have played it over 1,000 times now and STILL missed.

All the time on LP you will see people talking about a particular number or sum, etc. that is way over due. And it stays that way!! Sir Issac Newton did not know about the lotto, but

Reply #17

CalifDude — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:23:57 GMT

In 3,000 drawings a 24-way number should hit 7 times.

Reply #16

coolpicks — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:15:52 GMT

WI----> <----p-3 p-4 player....

Reply #15

Badger — Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:10:38 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by derek7 on June 10, 2006 Quote: Originally posted by Badger on June 9, 2006 Quote: Originally posted by Bryan on June 9, 2006 Hey Badger,

If you were after the math you got your answer, but if you think that combo is ripe for the pickin' have you taken into consideration the method of drawing has changed? Didn't everything go to computerized drawings some time back? If so, I wouldn't keep any data before the change was made. It would be like mixing apples and orange... [ More ]

Reply #14

derek7 — Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:36:14 GMT

Hey,

Do you know exactly when they went to RNG...?

Anyone...?

/Derek7

Reply #13

Thoth — Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:17:30 GMT

...All of the percentages and the amount of games required to obtain them are all very accurate. The calculations don't need to account for the 50% frequency because it's the per-game chance of a no-matched boxed Pick 4 number (24/10,000) that is used to calculate all the figures.

As for when a single number is late: I like to think that a single number (in boxed form) is late after 2,511 consecutive games without having been drawn heres why:

The odds for a single to be drawn are 24 in... [ More ]

Reply #12

doodoohead — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:07:54 GMT

My simple way of thinking says this. SINGLE numbers only appear 50% of the time and therefore all the expected hit rates listed above would be off by at least that amount. 50% Yes?

When is a single number late?

210 singles x 24 = 5,040

Reply #11

Badger — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:35:29 GMT

Hi Bryan,

Yeah, a couple years (a year and a half?) they went to RNG. But in spite of that, and I do know the debate offered on LP about machines vs RNG, I have found very little difference in hitting states where they use RNG vs states still using machines. I do prefer to play the machine states, but that is mostly because there are fewer of them, and I use this for a method of reducing the number of states that I have to examine.

I know there is likely more potential for fraud possible b... [ More ]

Reply #10

Bryan — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 06:48:56 GMT

Hey Badger,

If you were after the math you got your answer, but if you think that combo is ripe for the pickin' have you taken into consideration the method of drawing has changed? Didn't everything go to computerized drawings some time back? If so, I wouldn't keep any data before the change was made. It would be like mixing apples and oranges.

Best of Luck,

Bryan

Reply #9

johnph77 — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 05:23:16 GMT

All -

You're absolutely correct, Thoth - the odds of that permutation hitting are 1::416.67, not 41.67 as I had originally posted. I moved a decimal point. Sorry and apologies to those affected.

gl

j

Reply #8

Thoth — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 05:17:25 GMT

Your welcome...and ya, it does seem pretty ripe

Reply #7

Badger — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:31:47 GMT

Well thank you, Thoth ! I like the figures. That 0246 combo in WI is pretty ripe and ready, as I had suspected. It's been out just over 3,000 drawings. I'm keeping your figures, above, in hard copy for future reference. Thanks a lot

Reply #6

Badger — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:27:52 GMT

AHA ! Hadn't thought of that last one. Thanks

Reply #5

Thoth — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:51:37 GMT

Oh, and heres a few other probabilities for that analogy...

The total amount of outcomes for 10 consecutive 50% chances (whether it be quarters or Pick 3 4 numbers) can be expressed as 2^10, which equals 1,024 possible outcomes. Each of those outcomes is really a combination of wins and losses. The probability for a number to lose all 10 chances is 1 in 1,024, which is also the same chance that a number will win all ten chances!

LLLLLLLLLL OR WWWWWWWWWW

In the analogy, there were 21... [ More ]

Reply #4

Thoth — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:55:35 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Badger on June 6, 2006 Data for the Pick 3 is available easily in many places. But I've become a lot keener on playing Pick 4, and the various breakdowns don't seem as readily available.

So if any of you are into P4 I'd appeciate you reading this post and correcting me if anything that follows is incorrect.

In terms of BOXED combinations for P4, I'm coming up with

210 single combos

360 doubles combos

45 double doubles combos

90 triples combos

10... [ More ]

Reply #3

SirMetro — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:10:01 GMT

Take in consideration there are 55 Pairs. In combination with Paurth's Hot/Cold Counter, you could very well narrow in on the pair you think is most likely to come and combine it with the 55 pairs ($13.75 cost online, if you play online, 27.50 if you don't). Look in the Pick4 Forum at the Idea that TnT has presented. From my viewpoint, it's working very well. Also, when tracking numbers, instead of hunting ALL 4, hunt down the 3 most likely ABCx (let x = 0 thru 9). This gets you down to 10 sets... [ More ]

Reply #2

Badger — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:53:18 GMT

That's okay, john. I appreciate the information you have given. Thanks.

Reply #1

johnph77 — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:17:33 GMT

With 24 permutations possible for any given singles combination the odds of that combination hitting in any form is 24::1000, or 1::41.67.

I'd have to pound out a probabilities spreadsheet to determine the odds on that specific occurance you cite, but time is a little restricted for me right now.

gl

j

Pick 4 Math Help?

Badger — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:29:02 GMT

Data for the Pick 3 is available easily in many places. But I've become a lot keener on playing Pick 4, and the various breakdowns don't seem as readily available.

So if any of you are into P4 I'd appeciate you reading this post and correcting me if anything that follows is incorrect.

In terms of BOXED combinations for P4, I'm coming up with

210 single combos

360 doubles combos

45 double doubles combos

90 triples combos

10 Quads

That's a total of 715 possible boxed P4 c... [ More ]