Protecting your numbers

Reply #36

LANTERN — Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:14:39 GMT

Visar

I don't think that there is any way at all of knowing in advance which numbers will be the less likely for most people and the lotteries RNGs to pick, not unless you can predict the winning numbers, which are the most unlikely for most people to play.

You are wasting your time.

Also you have no reason at all to worry about it any way, as you have almost no chance of winning anyway (Same as most people), you worry about nothing.

If you want to play numbers that most people won't... [ More ]

Reply #35

Prob988 — Mon, 03 Jul 2006 19:10:25 GMT

Wow. I had no idea that we had so many winners of the lottery here!

How many times have each of those with these systems won? You must win regularly, I'm guessing.

Reply #34

spy153 — Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:46:10 GMT

my thoughts precisely, winner1313

Reply #33

Winner1313 — Mon, 03 Jul 2006 06:08:47 GMT

There are have been, some wonderfull folks that came here and talked about their systems.

They give hints, but not spoon fed us.

They were angels.

I have learned a lot from them, whilst others hurl insults and laugh or beg for more info.

Yes The Lottery Can Be Beaten, And Yes People Do Beat It.

But You gotta use your creative powers.

I will not share the secrets I have learned, because I worked for it, asking thinking and finally got it. Better Than Alanzo.

Lottery is part re... [ More ]

Reply #32

guesser — Mon, 03 Jul 2006 04:59:39 GMT

There are several folks that can get all 5 WB's in an evening - just not in the same game.

I was playing 10 games a drawing, and I got all 5 across my games 7 out of 8 bi-weekly drawings, now, (just like everyone else) -

if I could get ALL 5 in the same game, I'd be happy. My luck changed for the worse about 6 weeks ago.

There are things you can do to increase the odds in your favor; by quite a bit actually, but in true reality, there isn't a whole lotta difference if you... [ More ]

Reply #31

Visar — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:31:11 GMT

Not really, I was referring to SirMetros statement that

Determining which ball will fall can be mathematically calculated

I understand that certain numbers are more likely to be picked than others (by players). That the very notion of my origional topic.

Reply #30

Visar — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:40:32 GMT

In regards to how can you know what numbers are due is based upon time proven statistics. Following a given behavior, pattern or even sequence of what typically shows up after a certain set occurs. Determining which ball will fall can be mathematically calculated (presuming you have sufficient data and nothing better to do with your time).

Then the whole idea of each drawing being a random sample is no longer the case. I also, will love to see the hard facts about that statement. Th... [ More ]

Reply #29

SirMetro — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:07:17 GMT

You may want to consider staying with computer generated quickpicks at your local convienence store or where ever it is you purchase your tickets. Why, because if you actually review the stats of how the winning numbers were selected, you may find that a large percentage of individual winners (stats not readily available at the moment) came not from selected digits, but by simple quick-pick at the local convience store.

In regards to how can you know what numbers are due is based upon time

Reply #28

Just6ntlc — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:23:27 GMT

visar, I always pick my numbers. However, my numbers I pick change from time to time for each draw because there's no way to predict lottery numbers.

Reply #27

Prob988 — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:04:38 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Visar on June 13, 2006 Quote: Originally posted by Prob988 on June 13, 2006 I use a similar strategy. For many years I kept a file on certain types of lottery drawings and wrote a computer program to process them, accounting, among other things, for their frequency in drawings that resulted in higher than average numbers of winners. No such program is infallable, since the majority of tickets sold are quick picks, but you can increase the liklihood that if your numb... [ More ]

Reply #26

ryanm — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:55:30 GMT

Nobody in history has ever won more than one Powerball or Mega Millions jackpot though.

Reply #25

konane — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:33:19 GMT

Why don't you watch the MM and PB challenges to see which predictor uses which strategy and wins the most? Some predictors use the same numbers every draw, some change them a little, some a lot. See how those predictions go versus numbers actually drawn.

That may give you some ideas but again higher numbers drawn for a jackpot have the greater probability of having a single winner than lower numbers.

Reply #24

Visar — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:22:35 GMT

Your making one key mistake, in this game we are talking about a truly random sample. In, lets say horse racing, your argument would hold up. There could easly be people who know more about who will win than I would be about to predict, thus giving others an advanged on the race. The basic notion of The 'Group' is buying numbers they believe will hit would be a wrong approach in PB/MM because how can you know what numbers are more likely to hit the jackpot? You dont, but you can look in... [ More ]

Reply #23

konane — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:08:55 GMT

There is no rule engraved in stone that says you can not win more than once, so be open to the possibility. Also when you start winning smaller amounts it is most of the time indicative that you're warming up on a winning streak so greet those small wins with joy and delight so more can be on the way and not stopped by a negative attitude of disappointment.

Read many years ago in the defunct Lotto World magazine that people who choose their own numbers win more often with those .... although... [ More ]

Reply #22

RJOh — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:06:38 GMT

The goal of never having to share a PB/MM jackpot with another winner is more attainable then ever winning a PB/MM jackpot alone or sharing it with another winner. One should set goals that are attainable. Almost everyone who plays the PB/MM games will never win or share a jackpot whether that's their goal or not. Good luck to all those who's goal is to lose, they'll probably succeed without trying.

Reply #21

justxploring — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:51:11 GMT

There would be no way to retire off of 1/10 of $20 million though, and what's the point of winning a PB/MM jackpot if you still aren't financially independent? ryanm

I guess we live in different worlds. First of all, if I won $2 million I'd be ecstatic. Is there really a single person on this board who wouldn't be jumping up and down with joy if he/she won all that money? If you currently work 40-50 hours a week and make $50,000, a million dollars cash is 20 times your annual salary wit... [ More ]

Reply #20

SirMetro — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:00:01 GMT

This somewhat contradicts your original question. Protecting and enhancing the value of the win is one issue. Keep in mind, yes, there are a lot of various combinations out there that are NOT being played. Why, because, statiscally, most folks do not believe the number is due or will fall. Basically, to buy numbers that no one else is buying is bucking the trend, but keep in mind, the group is a heck of a lot smarter then the individual. The Group is buying numbers they believe will hit. If it... [ More ]

Reply #19

Visar — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:27:48 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Prob988 on June 13, 2006 I use a similar strategy. For many years I kept a file on certain types of lottery drawings and wrote a computer program to process them, accounting, among other things, for their frequency in drawings that resulted in higher than average numbers of winners. No such program is infallable, since the majority of tickets sold are quick picks, but you can increase the liklihood that if your numbers come up, you will win alone. This is called ra... [ More ]

Reply #18

Visar — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:27:05 GMT

I see what you are saying, but instead of buying multiple tickets with my same numbers i would MUCH rather pick 1 set of numbers that I fell that no one will pick. I completly understand that someone could QP my same numbers or even come up with them the same way I did by random chance(by the way I dont use ANY method that have I seen on any site/lotto program to further try to pick a truly unlikely set). I fell that if I wanted to buy 10 tickets for lotto draw then I would probally spread the... [ More ]

Reply #17

SirMetro — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:17:58 GMT

I think that perhaps the concept you should consider is, first, OTHERS WILL MOST DEFINITELY select the same set of numbers as you. Does not matter if you share what you select or NOT. If a random group of people is selected and asked to just pick 5 numbers between 1 and 39, you will have several that will either be the same or pretty close, depending upon just how large a group of folks you involve.

So, how do you protect your win. You don't. Instead, you enhance it. If you truly have faith i... [ More ]

Reply #16

RJOh — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:12:09 GMT

Actually playing 01 02 03 04 05 +06 has done as well as any other losing combinations.

MegaMillions

04/18/06 13 14 25 34 50 +06

11/15/05 02 04 05 40 48 +07

10/08/04 16 17 21 33 41 +06

05/14/04 10 19 32 36 46 +06

06/20/03 01 02 03 12 37 +35

04/08/03 08 10 24 38 45 +06

09/20/02 01 02 04 05 46 +08 *macth 4

08/20/02 02 13 20 23 43 +06

07/02/02 14 22 32 35 44 +06

06/21/02 13 18 32 39 49 +06

Reply #15

ryanm — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:37:57 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by justxploring on June 13, 2006PB is currently $86 million. I know that's not the amount of the actual cash, but even if 8 people won, that would still be a lot of money. I don't understand why anyone would try to choose numbers based on how many others might select them. I play to win, although of course I'd love a large jackpot. But I'd rather win 1/10 of $20 million than 100% of nothing.

BTW, what is the highest number of winners in a single PB or MM game? Has... [ More ]

Reply #14

Prob988 — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:00:40 GMT

I use a similar strategy. For many years I kept a file on certain types of lottery drawings and wrote a computer program to process them, accounting, among other things, for their frequency in drawings that resulted in higher than average numbers of winners. No such program is infallable, since the majority of tickets sold are quick picks, but you can increase the liklihood that if your numbers come up, you will win alone. This is called raising your expectation value.

The effect is... [ More ]

Reply #13

justxploring — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:23:19 GMT

PB is currently $86 million. I know that's not the amount of the actual cash, but even if 8 people won, that would still be a lot of money. I don't understand why anyone would try to choose numbers based on how many others might select them. I play to win, although of course I'd love a large jackpot. But I'd rather win 1/10 of $20 million than 100% of nothing.

BTW, what is the highest number of winners in a single PB or MM game? Has it ever been more than 5? Even the state lottery 6/53 ga... [ More ]

Reply #12

Visar — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:43:33 GMT

Thx for the information.

People get familiar with the common numbers, that being a date (would exclude all numbers 32+) and with the common 5, 10, 12, 15, and 20 (with 13 being unlucky).

Now, if it can be proven that the lotto is NOT a truly random sample then I can give some credence to people who pick numbers that are more frequent . I mean, even I was wondering how 20 can up 3 times (minus the last drawing).

Reply #11

Jake649 — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:31:21 GMT

Visar,

I understand your question and the reason for your quest. I also use the same strategy.

What I do is track the winning numbers and try to corelate the wins in respect to the expected wins. This is difficult to do for the jackpot wins but easier to do for 1, 2 and 3 number matches. I then extrapolate the information for the low number matches to the jackpot.

For example, Mega Millions in CA is great because their paramutel payouts clearly show players prefer low numbers. Therefore... [ More ]

Reply #10

Raven62 — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:22:36 GMT

The number of combinations in PB are so high, and the odds of you picking the correct combination are so low, that the probability of you and another player having the same winning numbers are slim. It does happen on occasion, but half-a-jackpot is still better than no jackpot at all. If you're worried about someone else playing your numbers, then you should watch out for the folks that work at the place where you place your bets.

Reply #9

ayenowitall — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:30:23 GMT

Visar,

Try reading this book:

How to Win More: Strategies for Increasing a Lottery Win

by Norbert Henze and Hans Riedwyl

Copyright 1998 by A K Peters, Ltd.

ISBN 1-56881-078-4

In large part, this book adresses exactly the question you've raised in this thread. I think you'll find it a good read. The book has been discussed here at LP in the past. You might do a search for it to see if you can bring up some of those old posts, but I'd still recommend that you get the book. At lea... [ More ]

Reply #8

Visar — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:51:33 GMT

You dont get what I am saying still. I am not talking about this site. I am talking about picking numbers that have a LOW chance of someone else picking the same numbers.

Reply #7

Xsmega — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:41:50 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on June 12, 2006I try to pick numbers that will win a jackpot, I'll deal with sharing the jackpot if and when I ever win if that's a problem. Sharing a MegaMillions or PowerBall jackpot with another winner wouldn't be a problem for me, it beats being one of thousands of losers.

and if i did win with other winners , i highly doubt the other winners were also on this site looking at my numbers, the chances of that alone is the same as winning the jackpot... [ More ]

Reply #6

RJOh — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:19:25 GMT

I try to pick numbers that will win a jackpot, I'll deal with sharing the jackpot if and when I ever win if that's a problem. Sharing a MegaMillions or PowerBall jackpot with another winner wouldn't be a problem for me, it beats being one of thousands of losers.

Reply #5

four4me — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:14:52 GMT

it does not make any diference which numbers you picked. You have no way of knowing if someone else has played the same numbers or if someone else bought a guick pick with the same numbers.

But i can say without a doubt if you buy a ticket with these digits then you'll have lots of company. because many people play numbers like these 1-2-3-4-5 ----- 10-20-30-40-50 ---- 5-10-15-20-25 and so on.

Reply #4

Visar — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:03:54 GMT

I will phrase is differently then. What can someone do to increase there upside in a lotto that is a truly random sample? That would be to pick numbers that other are not likely to predict, because in the event of hittting a Jackpot, it would cut your upside.

Reply #3

RJOh — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:55:01 GMT

Many LP members post the numbers they're playing on the prediction board and as far as I know none of them have had to share a jackpot yet.

Reply #2

Visar — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:41:52 GMT

Because all drawing are independent random samples, all numbes have the same odds to appear. Lets say I pick, 1/2/3/4/5 PB 6. This has the same odds to comming up than any random numbers. BUT, I cut off my upside my increasing my chances of someone else picking my same numbers, thus cuting the potential jackpot. Yes, I could use a wheel system of picking numbers but I dont see that as giving any real advantage when it comes to net income after accounting for the costs of buying enouf tickets... [ More ]

Reply #1

RJOh — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:27:58 GMT

I assume you're picking losing numbers like most everyone else. Why would you assume that any one would prefer to play your numbers rather than some of their own

Protecting your numbers

Visar — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:14:39 GMT

I am curerently running a system that tries to pick PB numbers that I see that will be highly unlikly that anyone else will pick. I use Random and if I am just going to pick some fast I normally use the quick pick system, because I do not believe the human mind can truly pick a random sample.

My main question becomes after you pick the numbers you normally use, do you protect your numbers and use truly random numbers so that you can decrease the chance that anyone else picks the same