The Gambling Bill - Any chance of turning it around?

Reply #33

Todd — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:38:01 GMT

Excellent point, something I have been saying all along. This is not a Democrat/Republican issue.

Reply #32

Todd — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:36:58 GMT

No these people do not have the same rights as me, because they are not USA citizens. If they want the same rights as me, they need to help reform their own country into something resembling the USA, or else they have to abide by our immigration laws and enter this country legally.

Saying that it's laughable only shows that you haven't a clue about the issue. This is not about you, and how you personally feel about giving someone a break or whatever. This is about our country's soverei... [ More ]

Reply #31

orangeman — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:44:51 GMT

Former U.S. President James Buchanan once said education is dangerous because it gives people ideas. The world ruling class feels the same about the Internet. It is something they cannot control and they are very upset about it.

I saw an article about efforts in the European Community to regulate Hate Speech, sites the threaten children and other issues. They want to license websites, too. If they didn't meet certain standards, they would be banned.

Orangeman

Reply #30

dvdiva — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:19:45 GMT

What makes you think democrats are more likely to do anything with it? Democrats controll WA state and they passed the most restrictive laws against online gambling in the country - to where it'sillegal to even post online about it. It's about corruption. The day politicians in either party listen to voters instead of their own personal financial intrests is the day these laws get struck down. So in otherwords not a chance in hell.

Reply #29

emilyg — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:15:28 GMT

i'm an immigrant - we did it LEGALLY.

Reply #28

TheTruth — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:07:09 GMT

Wow. This is laughable to me. Why are you so concerned about foreigners taking up yout precious living space Todd? Do these people not have the same liberties as you do...I challenge you, tell us what is so terrible about families having the same opportunities we were BORN WITH to succeed?

Granted Todd, all illegal immigrants who come into the country don't necceasarily have our best interest at heart, there are people who I feel coem here for the wrong reasons...and there are americans here... [ More ]

Reply #27

cps10 — Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:53:14 GMT

I've noticed that at least 2 of my poker accounts have been locked. But most of them have not been. I guess some of them like Bet365 got spooked with all of the recent arrests trying to keep their bigwigs out of Federal prisons over here.

Reply #26

LOTTOMIKE — Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:07:45 GMT

Online gambling still in the cards? - BusinessWeek Online - MSNBC.com

Nevada Congressman Jon Porter introduced a bill in May that would study whether online gambling sites, run by U.S. companies, could be effectively regulated. Fahrenkopf believes that bill is likely to be considered early next year. The measure is backed by the casinos and still gathering support. It is still Congressman Porter's intention to move ahead with this bill, says Trevor Kolego, the congressman's legislative dire... [ More ]

Reply #25

Rubi 311 — Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:01:22 GMT

We don't want you looking too good Lotterybraker...you just might leave us for Wrestling Mania! Would your new name be Chinabraker?

Then we could really make some money...lol. Need a manager

Reply #24

konane — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:07:47 GMT

I've seen on tv for over a year about college kids getting credit cards and maxing them out with online gambling. There has also been some news about underage kids getting parents' credit cards and gambling online with them.

Yes FairTax would take care of taxation of purchases because it's a consumption tax not an income tax. Income would NOT be taxed whatsoever on a federal level.

This probably should be posted on my blog but this is a link to a fantastic FairTax video which explains... [ More ]

Reply #23

lotterybraker — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:52:27 GMT

Rubi311..you might be right..lol..of course I dont mind running around with my shirt off..I can show my 4=PACK..lol..those last 2 abs are just barely showing..more sit-ups required..lol

Reply #22

Rubi 311 — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:47:40 GMT

Sounds good to me, but we may all end up naked in the process of looking for clothes with Made In The U.SA. labels...lol.

Reply #21

alottoalex — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:46:34 GMT

hi all; i still think the bottom line is if our GOVTMENT could get some kind of tax money from people who plays and wins from on line lottery playing they would be VERY HAPPY....

Reply #20

lotterybraker — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:27:52 GMT

I saw on the news one time..or some channel and they were talking about what you just mentioned..allowing Chinese to undermine our Economy and they gave an example of it..A sports Jacket..just a regular sports Jacket it looked like to me..US PRICE was like 150.00 made in U.S...samething made in China sold for,or about 100.00 bucks..So..who is more to blame..our Uncle Sam or its citizens..?

Seems like most of us forgot what this means ..MADE IN U.S.A...yes..it may cost a little more..but would... [ More ]

Reply #19

Todd — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:26:50 GMT

I think immigration is one of the few things Congress did right.

Thanks to congress, we will get a 700-mile fence, with drones and security cameras, and so far we have staved off the politically-correct guest worker program nonsense.

The Senate was much harder to convince to drop the dumb guest worker programs, because the Senate leans more liberal than the House. (We'll see if that holds after the elections.) It took a smacking of you're going to lose the elections if you don't do th... [ More ]

Reply #18

orangeman — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:50:10 GMT

One more point on this. ABC's Prime Line, which I call Slime Line, did a piece on online gambling a number of months ago where they interviewed one of the biggest players in the casino business. He wished the govt. would regulate it, tax it and bring him in from the cold.

The interviewer overly stressed the tax issue, as if we are obligated to be taxed to death to pay for all of the Congressional hare-brained schemes while our alleged solons chase pages and interns, take kick-backs and de... [ More ]

Reply #17

JAP69 — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:28:52 GMT

there are already democrats with bills lined up to legalize this.do a search for it on the net

They would generate about 20,000,000 votes overnight if they let that news out.

Reply #16

Todd — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:17:53 GMT

Orangeman,

Thanks for this excellent dose of common sense, something that seems to be in short supply these days.

Reply #15

Todd — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:14:51 GMT

Your assertion that there are Democrats who are preparing bills legalizing online gambling is fantasic news! Can you please send me a link to a credible news source that documents this, so I can post the fabulous news in the news section

Reply #14

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:10:43 GMT

the bottom line here and don't let anyone tell you different is the fact that we will have a lot better chance with this if the democrats take back control of the house after elections this november.democrats will be a lot different than republicans about these kind of things.the republicans were pandering to the religious right with this crap and after the elections they won't even remember it.they were making a point and the point was made.i've read where a lot of republicans were embarrassed... [ More ]

Reply #13

orangeman — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:05:00 GMT

I want to whorw some encouragement on this thread.

A. Bush didn't mention online gambling in his press conference after the signing of the Ports Bill.

B. Roberto Gonzales, the Attorney General, has 260 days from signing the bill to devise ways to enforce it.

Frankly, I suspect Frist has embarrassed the administration with this trick and Bush and Company wish it would all go away quietly.

I also noticed that the so-called Christian right has not commented on online gambling one way or... [ More ]

Reply #12

floridian — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:09:49 GMT

Thanks to everyone who has already replied to this post. I think the responses so far have been extremely intelligent and informative. You do not have to agree with all but to be able to express oneself shows how lucky we still are to live in America. Please keep the responses coming.

Floridian

Reply #11

Badger — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:20:02 GMT

You know, Mike, that may be a sign of something actually positive. If the govt can't stop the porn websites, even after years of them being illegal, then they likely aren't going to stop gambling either on the Net. It's really the same enforcement principle.

Elsewhere, Todd makes a good point. Even though our revered authority figures spout this as being a morality issue, it is our govt we're talking about. And that means it's alll about the money. When our politicians see something where... [ More ]

Reply #10

EXCALIBUR — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:33:37 GMT

I would not complain about them doing away with all or any kind of gambling if at the very same time they would also do away with porno and doing away with all kinds of porno would even be best.

Porno , that kind of freedom I can do without.

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Prohibition was turned around.

It is not so much that I mind their banning gambling, but that I don't like what their doing things like these might or will lead to (666).

To start with the forming of the European Union was... [ More ]

Reply #9

time*treat — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:32:34 GMT

This will put the squeeze on the offshore outfits. My guess is that in a few years, the big land-based casino cos and the big credit card cos (one of which is about to go public) will get the bill amended such that all is well if none of money leaves the US banking system. Lots of people in D.C. will have shares by then. Just like the bird flu scare a couple years ago. Certain pols. had 1000's of shares in drug cos that made the recommended treatment products.

Reply #8

TheTruth — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:08:03 GMT

no mike...just...no lol. I could do without the child porn, but uh *ahem*, porn has nothing to do with this topic. There are grown people here who should be free to look at or do whatever they want, and to suggest that congress do way with porn and not gambling is kind of a 2 way-street

Reply #7

Todd — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:53:31 GMT

This whole bill has nothing to do with morality. Don't kid yourself! This has to do MAINLY with these people's egos! They have been watching people in Costa Rica thumbing their noses at the dopey USA lawmakers, and this is their little revenge. It happens all the time, in many different ways.

Sadly, it's not even so much about the money. If it was about the money they would have figured out a scenario that would get the USA more money. This bill doesn't do that.

Trust me, it's the... [ More ]

Reply #6

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:17:58 GMT

you know what pisses me the hell off?

they can try to do this to internet gambling but what about child porn or just porn itself why can't they block that

Reply #5

Badger — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:10:43 GMT

I see this as yet another attempt diminishing Americans individual freedom to choose. These authority figures not only are convinced that -- somehow -- they know better than the average individual they are supposed to represent, but that they are somehow higher in their moral principles.

Mind you, and not only recently, but over the last couple decades, these moral compasses that passed this bill (which are supposed to be traveling on The High Road) number among their ilk, sexual pre... [ More ]

Reply #4

Rick G — Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:10:43 GMT

If the Fair Tax Act was enacted, this would not be an issue monetarily, and I suspect revenue is the thrust behind the initiative. If it's a moral issue than they should keep their morals to themselves.

To tack it onto the Port Security Bill is back room politics at its worst. The two issues are not even remotely connected. Congress takes more vacation time in one year than most of us have taken in our whole lives. They should cut down the vacation time and consider bills individually ins... [ More ]

Reply #3

Rubi 311 — Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:14:08 GMT

Thanks Todd

Reply #2

Todd — Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:01:05 GMT

Floridian,

That was a good, thoughtful post. Unfortunately there is not a single Democrat or Republican president who would have vetoed that bill. (For many reasons.) Maybe a Libertarian would have, but there's not much of a chance of getting a preisdent like that in the WH.

Online gambling will never be the same again. Even if there were some kind of bill passed overturning this bill, they would never give up the chance to put some kind of government oversight, or something similar, t... [ More ]

Reply #1

cps10 — Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:20:39 GMT

I would like to see this overturned, but I really can't see it being done. What's done is done. I think Mike is more concerned that the Internet Poker industry - who probably pays him a FAT sum of money each year in sponsorships - is going down the tubes with this bill. I hate that this happened, because I love playing poker online. This also will have a domino effect to the rest of the poker industry....the game will lose a lot of glamour and popularity, because people won't have easy access to... [ More ]

The Gambling Bill - Any chance of turning it around?

floridian — Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:15:01 GMT

Boy, people are really steamed about Bush signing that on-line gambling bill today. I hate that congress has become so crass as to hide that bill inside the Port Security Bill. I almost wish Bush had vetoed it. The very idea of tying the two together so that anyone who didn't vote for the bill because of a difference of opinion regarding on-line gambling would be accussed of being soft on National Security. Man, will this kind of creative legislating ever end.

Did anyone see Mike Sexton,... [ More ]