strike the lotto

Reply #40

UNITEDWESTAND — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:21:28 GMT

Day 7 to no avail the boycott is not unified to have a effective result the lottery has won on this issue ,yet to all players if you roll dice rember you can see if you hit your point or you craped out, with no Tv showing we all craped out !.give a little, take the farm and the cow

Reply #39

truecritic — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:36:57 GMT

In the interest of full disclosure, States should publicly list all numbers drawn during any testing.

Reply #38

pacattack05 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:13:39 GMT

Gotta go wit the flo.....

Now you know why you're always one number off.....LOL

Reply #37

justxploring — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:29:58 GMT

OMG! I'm agreeing with you, Pac? Must be something in the water here in Bonita!

I understand on one level the purpose of the pre-tests, but I agree that it affects the overall randomness of the drawings. How would anyone here like to find out he picked the 6 winning numbers that were thrown out

Reply #36

UNITEDWESTAND — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:05:46 GMT

Day 5what i mean is to show a live drawing ,you pretest all you want!,but show the drawing if its no funny business going on

Reply #35

Coin Toss — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:16:30 GMT

UNITEDWESTAND

What do you mean by it appears the lotto doesn't fill the boycott

Reply #34

Badger — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:37:31 GMT

The lottery makes it hard for you or I to win? That's not new. It has always been hard t owin the lottery. Lotteries are not in business to lose money. If people could crack it that easily, the lotteries would discontinue the games. They are in the business to make money. Lotteries were never created in order to make it easy for people to get rich. That is not their purpose.

Reply #33

UNITEDWESTAND — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:03:34 GMT

Day 4it appears the lottery doesnt fill the boycott,in the old days when union went on strike the people would not buy any thing from the company!Honor has lost its place in america.the idea of getting rich quick has caused us to toss are morals out the window,Im g oing to end this on History The King of England wanted to Tax the people of united states more ,and we are Known what people can do when they get tired of it.The lottery is making it very hard for you and I to win,or you tired

Reply #32

pacattack05 — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:47:55 GMT

I know, you'd like it a lot better without the overkill and wrenches!

Yes I would. It's only fair...right?

I know...life ain't fair...LOL

Reply #31

UNITEDWESTAND — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:58:39 GMT

day 3im boycotting TEXAS and i stand with you on delaware as well im hoping the lottery official will see are boycott and try to be fair and include in there budget TV time expense

Reply #30

truecritic — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:56:26 GMT

Pac

You mean it's not random enough? HA!

The testing is to to make sure no one tampered with them. Not only that they are functioning without exploding.

Of course you realize they are not just ordinary ping pong balls picked up at the $1 store. Someone on LP posted some details about the Canadian Lottery, I think in their blog. They are expensive. I think just short of your estimate of a Trillion.

I know, you'd like it a lot better without the overkill and wrenches

Reply #29

numbergirly — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:54:20 GMT

Hi UNITEDWESTAND.... I agree with you because, for the amount of money I'm loosing and considering the fact that I can go 2 to 3 years playing everyday and not win a thing well, maybe forty dollars it seems to be in my best interest to boycot. I'm already excited about the amount of money I will save. The only thing is though, I believe we would have to go state by state and a lot longer than a week. Let me know when you get around to Delaware because, I'm in. THANKS

Reply #28

pacattack05 — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:12:36 GMT

Pre-tests and tube shuffling are used to make the game as random as humanly possible

Make the game as random as possible? You mean it's not random enough? HA!

I think that is a big lie on their part, if that's what they also say. Any reason to throw as many wrenches in the natural flow. That's why they do it.

A lottery official in NY admitted to that many years ago in an article, in the New York Daily News.

I'm not asking for any favors from them. All I ask them is to leave the dang... [ More ]

Reply #27

Badger — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:29:20 GMT

You are correct in the cost-cutting areas rank in priority lower than increasing revenue due to new sales. But this is in real business, run by real business people. Most state lotteries are staffed by govt workers; not IMHO, the cream of the business-savy crop. They have the Union Mentality.

Add to this (especially in WI ) the fact that there is a limited market. OUr state population is about 5 million, and they are obviously NOT all lottery players. The members of LP do not, I feel, rep... [ More ]

Reply #26

truecritic — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 06:03:37 GMT

Pre-tests and tube shuffling are used to make the game as random as humanly possible and prevent some flaw that makes the game predictive.

But I like the way you think Pac...the lotteries should throw out anything that makes it difficult for your numbers to come in on the next draw. LOL

Computerized games can be manipulated by programmers and should be outlawed.

Reply #25

Todd — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:49:38 GMT

Maybe you should just read the petition first, since I have laid out my opinion there. It sounds like you're saying the opposite thing that I am. If you are somehow saying that it is better to use a computer to draw lottery results, then you and I complete disagree.

Reply #24

DoubleDown — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:16:41 GMT

I am a much more educated player thanks to Lottery Post.

I think I know which games NOT to play just as much as I know which games TO play.

I've been a member for over 3 years, so it would appear that I have been paying attention.

Thanks for this site, Todd...

..DD

Reply #23

pacattack05 — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:13:28 GMT

Todd,

How do you feel about pre-tests and tube shuffling? I'm starting to wonder whether taking a risk of a computerized drawing, is worth or equal to the risk of a ball drawing.

A ball drawing requires messing with the system. Do pre-tests ruin the flow of what was meant to be in the first place? Then play musical tubes afterwards....Just shoot me...LOL

Sure it's possible to mess with computers, but In my opinion, the risk is less, when compared with what I have to go through on a dai... [ More ]

Reply #22

Todd — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:56:27 GMT

Yup, you're right, here it is: https://www.lotterypost.com/news/100094.htm

However, check out the date I created the petition: https://www.lotterypost.com/news/94616.htm

It was August 29, 2004 -- two and a half months before Wisconsin announced the transition to fake drawings.

So technically you're right, Wisconsin did switch after the petition was started.

However, one does not switch to fake drawings in two and a half months, and the petition would not have been able to stop the sw... [ More ]

Reply #21

Badger — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:42:55 GMT

I would love to see a breakdown of the total household incomes of all lottery players, tntea...I suspect that a great majority of the tickets are bought by those you call the uned . This is solely based on what I see in the local retailers, so I have no validation of it. But it also follows that those people would think they are playing against the other players rather than against the mathematical odds, which don't change even if they would be the only person playing the game.

Reply #20

Badger — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:31:55 GMT

Hate to have to puncture your balloon Todd, but when I first joined LP I signed the petition, because I do agree that lottery drawings should be televised and computer drawn.

Since then, Wisconsin went from ball drawings to RNG faux draws on all state games.

And they did it in the Dark of Night also. They only posted the change on their website after they did it.

It's about money. What isn't? And they saved, according to the media, about $300,000 a year just on not having to televise... [ More ]

Reply #19

tntea — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:40:25 GMT

From what I've read many of the larger jackpot winners own their own businesses which makes me think that the mix of people playing the lotteries change as the jackpots get larger

Right the mix does change.. The uned feel they don't have that great of a chance when the Amount has increased..

Reply #18

RJOh — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:58:13 GMT

For people who only play when the jackpot gets over $150M, this is true. The less people playing the better the chance of a jackpot roll over which allows them more chances to play at that level. They are not uned , they just want the best return on their gambling dollars if they get lucky.

From what I've read many of the larger jackpot winners own their own businesses which makes me think that the mix of people playing the lotteries change as the jackpots get larger.

Reply #17

Todd — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:18:27 GMT

Check the petition for answers to that question. The information is all here for those willing to seek it.

Reply #16

bambini — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:26:38 GMT

They don't have to buy a 3 minute spot, the could post it for free on youtube. I find it odd that 5 second place winners were all in the New York City area.

Reply #15

tntea — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:04:56 GMT

A computer can be programmed to do what you want it to do... Do you want a jackpot winner Saturday night? or how many MM Bonus ball are there for the number 17? Could be a bad thing..

Reply #14

jimb11 — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:37:29 GMT

I don't like computer drawings either but a year ago I won $512 for getting 4 out of 5 on the fantasy 5 CA. lottery. And I only bought one ticket. I talked to someone from the CA. lottery about their computer drawings and he told me they will never go back to ball drawings again. I told him I was concerned about the drawings being fixed but he told me they had cameras everywhere, everything was sealed, and totally random. I would play super lotto plus but the odds are so much better with fantasy... [ More ]

Reply #13

UNITEDWESTAND — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:04:54 GMT

Day 2

Reply #12

Todd — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:26:57 GMT

You think activism will not work in changing a lottery; I think it could. We disagree, and all the analogies in the world won't change either of our minds.

Reply #11

Coin Toss — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 05:07:17 GMT

tntea

Good point.

Todd- see, that's the type of thing I'm talking about. You think a strike or boycott would work against that kind of thinking? As I've said before, we, the players, get in our own way on this type of thing.

Sports fans always swear that that's it for me when a pro sport goes on strike. Amazing how when the strike ends the stadiums fill right back up, considering all the people who swore to never buy a ticket again.

If strikes or boycotts worked, and if we the lot... [ More ]

Reply #10

tntea — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:01:57 GMT

I was upset with the PB matrix change. Adding two more digits didn't help the chances.. When I mention people going on strike.. I have the uned people say they think they have better chances of hitting with less people playing....

Reply #9

Todd — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:41:15 GMT

Thank you for pointing out a terrific example of how we differ.

The fact is that since Lottery Post raised public awareness of the issue of fake computerized drawings not one single state has converted from real drawings to computers. The only game I am aware of that converted is Hot Lotto, and it was handled quietly in the dark of night .

This is despite the fact that computerized drawings had been gaining momentum for years, and without the awareness generated by Lottery Post, we would... [ More ]

Reply #8

Coin Toss — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:01:05 GMT

Todd

You see it as negativity, I see it as just an observation.

You've had your petition going for quite a while and have many signatures. Has any compuiterized lottery reverted to a ball drawing since it's been going?

The lotteries work on the attitude of if you offer it they will play and indeed people do.

Reply #7

UNITEDWESTAND — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:37:25 GMT

yes they do just remeber the casinoes stay open 24hrs a day and you can see the machines spin.

Reply #6

rwsmes — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:20:57 GMT

Gamblers don't go on strike, they gamble................

Reply #5

Todd — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:00:26 GMT

Generally speaking, I am not given to such negativity. My positive mental outlook has helped me a great deal in life. I completely disagree with you, except for the part where you say that you would like to see it happen. I think it could succeed beyond either of your expectations, all it needs is someone with some positive energy, some time, and a good deal of effort.

Reply #4

Coin Toss — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:52:13 GMT

Todd

Of all the lotteies mentoned by people who post here, what percentage of people who play those lotteries do we have represented? Granted everybody knows 20 people, but still.

Every single person on this board could boycott every lottery for a specified number of draws and they probably wouldn't even feel it.

Like I said, as long as there are people who will play no matter what, a boycott is just a nice thought at best.

There was a thread awhile back about how big would a mat... [ More ]

Reply #3

dvdiva — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:39:29 GMT

Sadly I don't think a state run game is going to get that message. A lottery that was just switched to private hands would be very sensitive to such a boycott. Especially a pick 3/4 boycott. A private firm would quickly realize that it's in their best intrest to make sure the games appear to be as random as possible and have recorded ball drawings for all their games.

Reply #2

Todd — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:22:30 GMT

That's the spirit!

If you're going to organize something like that, the trick is to make sure that people know about it ahead of time, including the state lottery. So when there is a dip in sales it can be directly attributed to the boycott.

It's too bad that some states went to computerized drawings, and it's too bad that it seems to require a player revolt in order to coerce them to switch back to traditional drawings.

I would personally support a targeted boycott that would demonstr... [ More ]

Reply #1

Coin Toss — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:36:43 GMT

It's a nice thought but it ain't happening. There's been threads about this before.....as long as the lotto gets people to play, they're doing their job as faras they're concerned.

And as long as there are people who will play, no matter what, their job isn't that hard to do.

strike the lotto

UNITEDWESTAND — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:15:33 GMT

Attention all lottery players im asking every one to not play lotto until they show the balls on TV.they make millions there CEo makes millions.they can buy a 3 minute slot to show the balls coming up the shoot.I know its hard to stop, but to increase our odds we have to stop! try for one week. im sure if they show the balls on tv we can win a whole lot$$$$$ more .