Pick 3: Low-Medium-High Boxed Digit & Pair Tracking

Reply #45

WSN1 — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:57:56 GMT

Sounds Great! and looking forward to it.

Reply #44

Thoth — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:54:22 GMT

I have more info to post (beside spacing data). I'll try to get to this within a few days.

Reply #43

WSN1 — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:30:40 GMT

Wow, thanks again Thoth, I am seeing a lot of interesting patterns here, which illustrates the significance of the stats. One in particular, is that is that if used as a filter, similar to what Lantern has discussed in filtering discussions, the core group of medium slipt pair difference 3-7 together did not ever in this sample go beyond the 50% probability threshold....Im chunckling right now, cuz, I intuitively feel that a lot of folks viewing this right now...aint gettin the magnitude of this... [ More ]

Reply #42

cps10 — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:47:10 GMT

Thanks for all of this great information Thoth! It is appreciated

Reply #41

Thoth — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:13:37 GMT

Here is a sample of how the streaks for medium-split pair spacing appear when charted. There is more than one way to do this, this just happens to be one of the easiest.

This chart represents the last 50 hits or misses for each of the 10 medium pair spaces with the most recent at the top of the list. The X indicates that the space hit within its given number of median trials after its last hit. The O indicates that it did not hit again within its median after its last hit.

Everyt... [ More ]

Reply #40

WSN1 — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:09:33 GMT

Thoth, thanks again for the mathematical value you are providing us. I continue to look and study with great interest

dK

Reply #39

LANTERN — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:35:02 GMT

Thoth

Your chats and explanations are of great value, you can find about some of that stuff with the FreeWheeler just cheking the filters out, but it is a lot more trouble in that way, it wouldbe nice if you had also charts for other filters beside that of the spacing-width.

And yes, the Low to High is the most used one and for very good reason as you pointed out.

Yes, the probability skips have to do of course with the number of combos that have that filter pattern in relation with all... [ More ]

Reply #38

Thoth — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:32:00 GMT

This chart is a compressed form of the info found in the pairs chart. It concerns the spacing of the medium-split boxed pairs.

The distance, spacing or width from the Lowest digit to the Highest digit can always be measured with a single number, 0 through 9. The same could be said for the distance from the low to the medium and the medium to the high, but the spacings from the low to the high seem to be the most worthwhile to track.

The only combos that are capable of producing a spa... [ More ]

Reply #37

Thoth — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:26:37 GMT

Thanks Rick,

That is a great way to anticipate the other end of the spectrum (rather than expecting the 0,1 or 8,9 after the stack

Reply #36

Rick G — Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:46:07 GMT

Using Thoth's principles here's an application idea for playing no-repeat combos:

If the last two consecutive draws had 0 and 1 as the LOW or 8 and 9 as the HIGH, it is time to play the conversion combos for the next three draws (stopping after a hit). The most numerous conversion combos are the no-repeats with one adjacent digit.

That leaves a subset of sixteen conversion combos...

234

235

236

237

345

346

347

245

456

457

256

356

567

267

367

467

Theory: On aver... [ More ]

Reply #35

Kola — Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:42:35 GMT

I second that - good stuff

Reply #34

Rick G — Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:32:26 GMT

Thank you Thoth. This is an excellent thread and provides a lot of food for thought. Very clear and well thought out.

Good work

Reply #33

Thoth — Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:41:15 GMT

Yes, the probabilities are for boxed play as arranged in the low-medium-high format...including doubles and triples. The probabilies are based on the amount of straights though...as is any true probability for the game. Like when playing one of the no-match number boxed, the odds arent 1 in 120 just because there are 120 NM boxed numbers....the odds are 6 in 1000 or about 1 in 167 reduced (I'm sure you probably know this already). And yes, the core groups with the most combos always have the... [ More ]

Reply #32

WSN1 — Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:27:14 GMT

Thanks JAP for doing the 0 and 1 skips data results.

Thoth, do appreciate your well illustrated explainations. Looking to the next updates. It's appears that with the distance data results chart, that statistical is would be a good strategy to pick a core group of the distance formations which have the most straights.

One question for verification, however, this chart is based upon the straight boxed formations, of which their are 220? ah plus the 10 trips, I guess

eg. 1-7 = 018, 129... [ More ]

Reply #31

Thoth — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:51:58 GMT

I have no idea if there are programs that do that or not. I don't own any lottery software. Everything I test and track is done with Microsoft Excel.

I Will try to post more info before the weekend is through.

Reply #30

hcrude14 — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:40:29 GMT

Hi Thoth

Good Stuff,I have two different commercial programs,one gives you the info in regards to the draw occurance,how often the pairs were drawn ect. pretty much the info shown on your charts for most of the pick3 lotteries in US and Canada.

The second program shows the skips from LM MH for the daily draws.

Is there a program out there where you can for example:enter the box no's that belong to space 1-7 for which there are 2 no's and have it bring up the stats like skips ect for tho... [ More ]

Reply #29

Thoth — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:28:16 GMT

Every post I ever made on LP that concerns real data or statistics always has the midday and evening draws combined (if the state has both). I always start with the oldest draw in any states history and work my way up to the newest. The states that started their Pick 3's in the late 70's and early 80's didn't originally have midday drawings so here is how my historical listings are put together:

Say the first 3000 draws in a specific state are all evening draws, these will become games #1 t... [ More ]

Reply #28

phileight — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:40:42 GMT

Thoth

Very interesting and informative. The data in your first post in this thread makes me believe you combine day and evening draws. I have seen many posts where the merits of combining vs keeping them sepreate were mentioned. Have you tried separating the data and checking?

My observations and testing over the years lead me to believe you would get esentially the same result on either set of data. I am not a statistics person. I understand the concepts, just not very good at applyin... [ More ]

Reply #27

Thoth — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 05:48:49 GMT

Another Chart...

This one illustrates the width, distance or space (whatever you want to call it) of the combinations. This chart applies to the spacing between the digits as observed in Low-Medium-High format. There are 55 possible distance codes, some of which are much more probable than others. Each code is basically just a measurement of the distance from the lowest digit to the medium digit and from the medium digit to the highest digit.

For example, the triple-digit combo 555 ha... [ More ]

Reply #26

cps10 — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:53:58 GMT

Thank you Thoth! I look forward to it

Reply #25

Thoth — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:57:53 GMT

Actually, the 3 should only appear as the low digits about 12.7% of all draws. If 3 is the the low position then that means its the lowest digit drawn...so the digits 0, 1 and 2 cannot be drawn anywhere in the combo. There are 127 straights that can be drawn and then be rearranged into the low/medium/high format to give you the 3 in the low position.

We are looking at the digits in each boxed position but at the same time looking at the effect they have on the others. As I mentioned in the... [ More ]

Reply #24

JAP69 — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:12:03 GMT

total draws 2,071 combined mid and eve

0 and 1 combined total hits 1,004

2.06 avg hit frequency

10 Most skips between hits

this includes the 01 pair which came 115 times.

I am not a math person so you need to make adjustmnt on the data if you do not wish the 01 pr in there.

Record Date Pos1 Pos2 Pos3 Pos4 Matched Skips

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2 07/01/2003 0 1 7 2 1

3 07/02/2003 1

Reply #23

Stack47 — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:38:53 GMT

Hi Thoth,

Great analysis!

If you track the streaks you ll gain even more insight when deciding on what digits to play. Tracking the streaks is easy.

When I started tracking the digit 3 in the low position, I noticed that it was sort of choppy and wondered why. I believe that is caused by the 0-9 effect . When the digit 3 hits with the digit 0 it cannot be in the low position and since the same is true when 3 hits with 1 or 2, it can only be in the low position 34% of the draws. The

Reply #22

WSN1 — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:34:20 GMT

Ok cool, Thanks Lantern. I will appreciate that and l'm ooking to your next update. I have already begun looking at the links you gave on the Deflate thread.

Reply #21

LANTERN — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:10:59 GMT

WSN1

The way that we can do this is that I will compile the info and then either send it to you when ready by email or I will compile it and put it on my blog or on some web site for download as either RTF, Doc or TXT file. or a combination if more than one kind of file, as there is a lot there might be more than one download if I do it that way.

As I have to search for the info myself, it will be quite a long while before is ready at least 10 to 30 days, I will let you know when ready.

Reply #20

WSN1 — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 08:22:36 GMT

JAP69, thanks for your contribution to this thread, I wonder what the skip would look like if we captured the 0 and 1 primary low digit data

Reply #19

JAP69 — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 04:17:46 GMT

An example of the hit skip for the 0 as lowest number.

This is S.C. mid and eve combined 2,070 draws.

My last entry for ascending order tracking was 7/21/06 as I have been occupied with other things.

2071 draws

580 total record hit

3.57 avg hit frequency

20 most skips between hits

Record Date Pos1 Pos2 Pos3 Pos4 Matched Skips

----------------------------------------------------------

2 07/01/2003 0 1 7 1 1

13 07/07/2... [ More ]

Reply #18

WSN1 — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:54:04 GMT

Okay, I just come to realize that you are also excalibur. So do I search under Lantern or Excalibur or both. You have about 2900 post as Lantern and 800 as Excalibur. Is there a particular date range also to search from. I am asking for specific here, because, I dont mind searching for the answers and solutions to very useful information, however, over the last 4 weeks, I have spent several hours daily going about 15,000 pages of post on this site. I was getting close to winding up and catching

Reply #17

WSN1 — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:37:30 GMT

Thoth, this is a very interesting post. I been working on the best strategy using a 7# wheel and looking at the statistical relevance and coming up you with what you have been confirming in much more statisical detail here. this is fantastic. I am very interested in reviewing your perspective as it relates to the spread, gap, width or distance as many would call it and the max skip parameters. I would like to sink my teeth into this. This is exactly the place from which I am working. I apprec... [ More ]

Reply #16

cps10 — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:23:27 GMT

Fernando,

It might be time to input the pairs filter that we worked on together back in the spring/summer of 2006...

Reply #15

LANTERN — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:20:30 GMT

WSN1

Sorry, but no, That is all I will show for now, I show things slowly little by little as time goes by, for more, look at my older posts as there is more than enough filters info there, I won't show too much stuff at one time, maybe in the future sometime, look at my old posts, Anybody hardly needs more than is already there.

Look at my old posts and then ask questions about what you see there, there is no reason why we could not work together in the future, but only if you learn ab... [ More ]

Reply #14

WSN1 — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:05:37 GMT

Lantern, thanks for adding a few little nuggets to this post. These are to me fundamentals which are very important. Is there more, should I send you PM on the matter for the advanced filters, maybe we can discussed in more depth offline.

Reply #13

Thoth — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 02:12:43 GMT

1-(1-0.488)^2 is correct

Yes, three or four draws without the 0 or 1 in the low is a good time to play them. Of course. when you see four of five games in a row where 0 or 1 was drawn, I'd say start looking at the other digits like 2 and 3. The same goes for 8 and 9 on the high side.

As for the inversion...it seems like it comes and goes alot. I like to wait until the inversion actually hits, then I play numbers from that group with the anticipation that the inversion will hit within i... [ More ]

Reply #12

LANTERN — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 01:48:14 GMT

Just some extra info:

The Lowest-Middle-Highest filter:

LMH = BS1 (Boxed Single 1)

LHM = BS2 (Boxed 2)

MHL = BS3 (Boxed 3)

MLH = BS4 (Boxed 4)

HLM = BS5 (Boxed 5)

HML - BS6 (Boxed 6)

Because the singles are 6 way numbers

For doubles as they are 3 way numbers:

DDS = BD1 (Boxed Double 1)

DSD = BD2

SDD = BD3

D = Double Digit Pair

S = Single Digit.

Or:

LLH

HLL

LHL

HHL

LHH

HLH

H = Highest Digit(s)

L = Lowest Digit(s)

I made a c... [ More ]

Reply #11

cps10 — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 01:38:53 GMT

Interesting...so that would be 1 - ((1-0.488) * (1-0.488))?

So a good rule of thumb would be if you haven't seen the 0 or 1 in low position within 3 draws, then things might be in order to play them?

Similarly, if a 0 or 1 hits in 3 or 4 straight draws, it might be time to play the inversion

Reply #10

Thoth — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 01:34:31 GMT

The actual probability for a 0 OR a 1 (in the low position) is .488 (48.8%) for any single drawing. So the actual 50% mark is 1.035 games. Again, we cant just play that ending .035 of a single game, so the actual amount of games has to be left at either one, for the 48.8% chance, or bumbped up to two whole games for a 73.79% chance.

Reply #9

Shawn67 — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 01:33:51 GMT

Hey Thoth....very good info there. I'd be interested in hearing more

Reply #8

Thoth — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 01:21:41 GMT

Oh it's OK, I didnt think it was rude.

I had originally thought about posting info on the combos width too...I call it distance. I figured if this post had enough interest I'd post this data and also the expected max skips.

Tonights Ohio draw was 480 straight...which is 048 as LMH boxed. It was probably an easy hit for any one already familiar with a similar stratyegy.

Reply #7

cps10 — Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:20:01 GMT

Thoth

I have read this all the way through and have found it very intriguing. What would the median be of a 0 or 1 hitting after a 0 or 1 has hit in the low position

Reply #6

LANTERN — Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:02:48 GMT

By the way, on the above, the oldest draw would be down and the newest way on top.

Reply #5

LANTERN — Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:39:23 GMT

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound as bad as that sounds, let me know if I can help some more.

--------------------------

EXACT

3-4-3-0-8-2-2-7

7-6-1-8-1-1-9-5

1-2-8-9-7-5-4-2

3-5-1-2-7-0-2-6

8-3-1-9-4-1-8-3

5-4-0-5-5-0-5-4

This stuff is for advanced users of filters, I hope that I am not confusing people.

I am trying to make up for my rude posts above, by showing some advanced filter techniques.

The same ca... [ More ]

Reply #4

cps10 — Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:24:41 GMT

This is quite interesting...I would think that applying skip analysis and progressive wagering could allow some efficient profits over the long haul, whether it be online or at the local lottery retailer.

Reply #3

LANTERN — Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:01:57 GMT

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound as bad as that sounds, let me know if I can help some more.

Reply #2

LANTERN — Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:31:07 GMT

I have more than the above, but is good enough for right now, after all I have my own posts.

The past draws' history is MULTIDIMENTIONAL in a way, so there is much more than the above, but enough for now.

Reply #1

LANTERN — Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:27:04 GMT

Very good.

But there is more than that, also keep track of the Pairs' Width as I have also shown somewhere, that is the next step.

Both: Straight and boxed from LMH as boxed is always shown.

EXACT BOXED

1 2 3 L M H

3-3-0-2-2 0-2-2-1-3

7-1-8-1-9 7-1-8-1-9

1-8-9-5-4 1-3-4-5-9

3-1-2-0-2 2-0-2-1-3

8-9-8 8-8-9

5-5-5 5-5-5

9-0-9 0-9-9

Maybe I Have not wasted all my time posting after all.

Pick 3: Low-Medium-High Boxed Digit & Pair Tracking

Thoth — Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:34:03 GMT

Pick 3: Low-Medium-High Boxed Digit Pair Tracking

There are many ways to play Pick 3 and even more ways to track and analyze the numbers. I don t play boxed much, but when I do, I often refer to the following information. This info is all based on probability that is reinforced by statistical performance. Much of this data is probably common knowledge for the more experienced players, but for many others it may provide a whole new approach to picking boxed combinations.

T... [ More ]