Ethics or Not

Reply #44

justxploring — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:03:27 GMT

This reminds me of a well known expression:

No good deed goes unpunished. Clare Booth Luce

We all know what is in our hearts and more than often, what a person decides is the just moral thing to do is often very subjective. Often the final decision is between him, his spiritual counselor and God.

The Law is something entirely different. Although it's supposed to be designed by men women of moral fortitude, I admit there's lots of room for improvement. However everyday we use it... [ More ]

Reply #43

KY Floyd — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:53:25 GMT

This has everything to do with ethics, and it is exactly like finding a wallet (maybe that's even where the ticket was when you found it), except that this wallet contains more money than most.

With only one exception (Gasmeterguy, who is apparently a thief), everybody understands that the right thing to do is to return the ticket to the rightful owner. Most people seem to be demonstrating (or at least claiming) good ethics, by saying they would return the ticket, though some of those seem to... [ More ]

Reply #42

Coin Toss — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:54:18 GMT

Re: finding the owner of the ticket.

Remeber the beginning of the movie Black Rain with Michael Douglas and Andy Garcia?

Just a thought.

Reply #41

justxploring — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:25:45 GMT

Remember this story? (not $40 million, but...)

Iraq Vet Finds Winning Lottery Ticket

A U.S. soldier and his girlfriend found a winning lottery ticket on the ground at a convenience store Monday and turned it in to police, who were able to find its owner - a $2,500 winner with no idea her lucky ticket was missing.

Sgt. Edward Boniberger and Marnie Hall found the ticket in a plastic case at a store, Suffolk County Police said. They tried to find the woman who had signed it, but wh... [ More ]

Reply #40

Stack47 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:35:59 GMT

I checked number 5 because Contacting the Lottery or the name on the ticket and rely on their good judgment wasn't an option.

Options 1 and 4 don't really apply because since the ticket is signed, trying to cash the ticket could get you into legal trouble.

As for Options 2 and 3, asking for or demanding a reward sounds like blackmail and might get more legal problems than 1 or 2.

On almost every state lottery website, they say the first thing you do is sign the back of the ticket and... [ More ]

Reply #39

DoubleDown — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:21:07 GMT

If I found said ticket I would contact the rightful owner . I'm sure he or she would offer a mutually acceptable settlement. I certainly would if it were mine and I lost it.

Those that want to claim all of it are S.O.L.- because it was already signed.

DD

Reply #38

LuckyLilly — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:58:49 GMT

I do believe in Karma, but I don't think I'd be harming mine if I wanted a finder's fee for a 40 million ticket. I'm not trying to keep the ticket for myself, I'm doing my best to find the rightful owner, and I'm not going to force the rightful owner to go to court in order to get a cut.

I'd hire an attorney and explain the situation. He'd probably contact the lottery office and let them know where the ticket was and what the problem was. The lottery commission would handle finding the rig... [ More ]

Reply #37

Coin Toss — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:51:09 GMT

This seems to be yet another one of those threads where a lot of people posting, if they had been the person who lost the ticket, would be singing an rntirely different tune.

Karma doesn't necessarily have to go full into Hinduism and Buddhism and reincarnation, karma can also be simply what goes around comes around .

There is indeed such a thing as creating a karmic debt.

Here's an example - someone buys 4 frozen pizzas on sale, puts them on the bottom of their grocery cart and does... [ More ]

Reply #36

KyMystikal — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:49:01 GMT

Reply #35

spy153 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:43:03 GMT

exactly. I agree with you pacattack. I see it this way. If I lose a multimillion dollar ticket that isn't signed. It is gone. No one is going to bring it back. If they did, it would shock me. And yes, I would gladly reward them a hefty finder's fee. But if it is signed, it shows ownership and that makes it different in my opinon. Right or wrong. That is my opinion and how I would handle the situation. I have found wallets before full of money and turned them to the police stations o... [ More ]

Reply #34

justxploring — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:39:38 GMT

Remember that PEOPLE interpret the meaning of all religions. Look at the Bible and the Qur'an. (and all the religious wars)

There was another thread on this board that asked what we would do if we found a winning ticket with no signature. The same people here who say not to ask for anything wrote they'd run to the Lottery Office and claim it as their own without a second thought. I said I would be concerned about the true winner and ask an attorney to represent me. If I dropped a ticket,... [ More ]

Reply #33

Raven62 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:17:02 GMT

Karma: Hindu and Buddhist doctrine that a person's morality in one life sets his status in the next.

Karma is believed to be a sum of all that an individual has done, is currently doing and will do. karma extends through one's present life and all past and future lives as well. It is cumulative.

All living creatures are responsible for their karma their actions and the effects of their actions.

Reply #32

csfb — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:49:30 GMT

First, I'll check the statutes governing that particular lottery. I ll also check local statutes on lost and found items. Local, meaning where I found the ticket. If the statutes are favorable to a finder, I'll contact the Lottery and the media and tell them what I found. I'll involve the media, so I have a public witness to the fact that I am the finder. If the rightful owner does not come forth and claim, I may have a good chance of being awarded what I found.

Otherwise, if the st... [ More ]

Reply #31

justxploring — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:42:51 GMT

In my heart I would agree. I've always try to do the right thing and one of the reasons I am struggling financially is because of my honesty and integrity in my business dealings.

I've made commissions where I've given the paycheck back if I felt the company was cheating people or being deceptive. Maybe some of us have even risked our lives for others.

But let's get real here. This isn't the same as finding a lost wallet. Someone won $40 million bucks and would probably never see the... [ More ]

Reply #30

Raven62 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:15:55 GMT

Well said SirMetro

Reply #29

Pick3Place — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:36:20 GMT

Dream 2000

Welcome to LP. How are things half a world away?

I would love to visit China some day.

P3P

Reply #28

dream200 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:03:28 GMT

Wow,I could not do any of the above from the poll.I would locate the owner and forget about it.

Reply #27

SirMetro — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:52:00 GMT

You left out Return to rightful Owner without a question

Personally, I don't care if it's a ticket worth $1 or $100 million, all said and done, a good person is defined by doing what is right, even if no one is watching.

Reply #26

GASMETERGUY — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 07:14:25 GMT

I would sign my name on the back of the ticket and then go find the other guy. My first words to him/her would be Let's talk .

Reply #25

pacattack05 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 02:16:42 GMT

How true.

They will offer, Just give it up...I mean Just Give it time ....LOL

Reply #24

emilyg — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 02:06:33 GMT

Hey Pac - sure could - but only if they offer.

Reply #23

pacattack05 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 02:04:13 GMT

C'mon Kitty!!!

You could use a finder's fee....can't you?

Maybe 300 bucks commision...even just 150 bucks....lol

Reply #22

emilyg — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:39:36 GMT

U got it

Reply #21

pacattack05 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:29:57 GMT

C'mon Justxploring....I can make 17,000 bucks a month selling how to books. Just send me 39.95 for the information....LOL

Reply #20

justxploring — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:24:05 GMT

Pac, that's the guy! Yup. I ordered his book but was told at a meeting for entrepreneurs that is counseled by former CEOs who live in the area that it's total bull. They even got angry at me and said NO GRANTS...ARE YOU LISTENING? THEY DON'T EXIST! By the way, it was at that meeting that I discovered I was too poor to be an entrepreneur. LOL

OMG, Pac. I was thinking of something else-on when I read your post

Reply #19

pacattack05 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:19:36 GMT

Yeah!....Like that guy wearing the question marks ranting and raving over govt. grants and the such. I wish I saw him in the 70's while on mushrooms,,,,,I'd be laughing so hard...

OH! by the way...I did that once with the mushrooms while watching that commercial with Crazy Eddie . A popular New York commercial that was just as annoying as Head ON ....Now they have Skin on for warts and pimples and mosquito bites.

What's next? Foot size on? Just rub the rollon on your feet and you will... [ More ]

Reply #18

justxploring — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:02:29 GMT

ABSOLUTELY!! They're called headhunters, agents, publicists....they usually get a percentage of your salary. $40 million is a lot of moolah. $4 million would be fine with me. (I'd really be happy with $1 million cash, but everyone likes to dicker.)

Pac, funny you should mention this. There are books telling people where to find grants, etc. They're all full of baloney, but one I'm thinking of sells for about $25 at Barnes Noble.

Reply #17

pacattack05 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 00:58:21 GMT

There are people in this country who do just that for a living.

What I meant is that, people in this country charge for finder's fees in order to find HUD Housing and urban development funds due back to people when they sell their house.

Reply #16

pacattack05 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 00:54:07 GMT

This is a no brainer. If it's signed, the person who signed it is the owner.

If the ticket was not signed, then I would have a party. But I wouldn't touch the signed ticket with a 17 foot pole, unless you wanted a finder's fee, like it has been said here in the last posts

They call this the land of opportunity. You can recover someone's winning ticket and reap the rewards without guilt in my opinion. The person is getting something that he or she might have never received, if it weren't fo... [ More ]

Reply #15

justxploring — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 00:52:08 GMT

???

I don't understand this poll. This really has nothing to do with ethics at all. I don't think you have much of a choice in this case. You cannot cash the ticket if someone else's name is on the back of it. When you walk into the Lottery Office, they will ask for 2 forms of ID including a photo ID (driver's license, passport) and your social security number. So whoever chooses this answer is admitting to Identity Theft!

Second, if there is any suspicious activity, the Lottery Of... [ More ]

Reply #14

tntea — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 00:47:30 GMT

ditto here...

Reply #13

Todd — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 00:27:32 GMT

Reply #12

Pick3Place — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:30:19 GMT

Do not know what he would do but I believe he probably could multiply the 40 Mil, like the bread and fish; and give us all a little bit to enjoy.

Reply #11

CCHS13 — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:20:28 GMT

Obviously the right thing to do would be return the ticket to the owner but not to expect

a reward is ridiculous. I'd almost be in negotiating mode with the owner, but not to that extent

I wouldnt be greedy but whatever we agreed upon would have to be notorized and approved

by legal counsel. We'd have plenty of time to come up with something fair, say 1%. The odds of

finding a winning lottery ticket of that magnitude has to be in the ballpark of winning the

game itself if not... [ More ]

Reply #10

buckike — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:04:56 GMT

I would try return the ticket to the owner,I dont know what rule is in each state when someone else name is signed on the ticket.

Reply #9

Miss Bee — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:40:54 GMT

I agree with the above answer if there is an owners name, I would try to find them , I'm sure they would offer you a nice reward, but some people wouldnot, I trust if that was the case something even better would come to me down the road.

If there is no name, and I have no clue that is a different story.

Reply #8

kkkathleen — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:32:15 GMT

"What would Jesus do

Reply #7

fbird — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:07:28 GMT

Reply #6

Rakster — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:38:03 GMT

I agree!

I do beleive if the persons name is on the back you can't cash it anyways without identification... so if your not him, your not getting it anyways.... at least up here in Canada I think its that way. I know they asked me for a piece of i.d. when I cashed a $1300 ticket... 40 million... definately.

Reply #5

BevsPicks2 — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:37:47 GMT

My sentiments exactly.

Reply #4

Pick3Place — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:28:36 GMT

I should have made give back a choice so in a way I messed up the poll.

I'll do better in the future though.

Reply #3

Raven62 — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:24:36 GMT

"Having found a $40 Mil lottery ticket with the winner Identified on the back, what do U do next?"

1. Return Ticket to the Rightful Owner!

2. Ask for No Reward!

3. Accept Reward if Offered

Reply #2

ToJo76* — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:07:02 GMT

I didn't vote, but I would do my best to get it back to it's rightful owner. I'm a firm believer of karma- what you put out will definitely come back in some way, shape or form. I'd let it be up to the true winner if it was worth giving me a cut. If it turns out the winner decides not to, I know I will get my blessing some other way. I'm not saying it would be easy to do...give up $40M that could change my life for the better. But time has just shown me that when you do right, it comes back... [ More ]

Reply #1

Rubi 311 — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:04:52 GMT

I would have to vote none of the above. If there is a name on the back of that ticket, I would try to locate the owner. I don't need bad karma. I wouldn't ask for a finders fee. If the owner is a decent person he/she should have no problem offering a finders fee...I know if I was the owner of that ticket I would GLADLY offer a finders fee.

Ethics or Not

Pick3Place — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:42:53 GMT

We would be interested in your rational after you vote.