Indiana Lottery (Hoosier Lotto)

Reply #28

Guru101 — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:33:14 GMT

At the end of the day, the burden of proof lyes with the person making the accusations, and since proof hasn't been shown, accusations of wrong doing are not credibal. Past wrong doings are not proof of current wrong doings. Go ahead and keep saying this and that without proof, but either way it doesn't matter.

Reply #27

Uncle Jim — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:06:13 GMT

Despite the factual inaccuracies in your post it all boils down to this:

I think it's crooked and you think it's on the up and up. I think I have presented some facts and you think they are just glitches. I think they should be held responsible for their actions and you say so hey it happens.

Sorry if I'm bumming you out Guru but look at the bright side. When you win you can rub my nose in it.

Jim

Reply #26

Guru101 — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:00:25 GMT

I've already said before that the result of those situations came from either a bad business partner or a crooked employee. You can't prevent all bad guys from getting inside an organization they don't belong. You just gotta try your best to prevent it. Just because the Hoosier Lottery has had hostility in the past, doesn't mean I'm going to go and say every Hoosier Lottery employee are all a part of some secret operation. The fact is, it happens, and the company does what it can to fix the prob... [ More ]

Reply #25

Uncle Jim — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:35:04 GMT

Guru I understand exactly what you are saying. But given the history of scandal...corruption...secracy...rigged games...disproportionate winners...missing money...law suits...prizes paid without tickets....prizes paid after the claim period has expired...PLUS the use nontelevised RNG drawings...I have a really hard time accepting more than 10 months of rollovers at face value.

I may be wrong but that's what I think.

Jim

Reply #24

Guru101 — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:03:58 GMT

I think you need to think about this more mathematically. Even if 1,000,000 tickets were sold, that's only 8.1% chance of it not rolling. So yes, it is possible for this game to go months without anyone winning. The population of Indiana is about 6.3 million, and I highly doubt 1/6 the population plays Hoosier Lotto. Why don't you think about it that way

Reply #23

Uncle Jim — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:53:41 GMT

Don't ask me ask the Hoosier Lottery. I don't have access to their sales figures. They gave away almost 197,000 free Quick Picks on last night's draw if that tells you anything.

Jim

Reply #22

Guru101 — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:41:34 GMT

How many tickets were sold

Reply #21

Uncle Jim — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:38:47 GMT

It just means it's business as usual with the Hoosier Lottery Guru. The Lotto game has been rolling for more than 10 months now. Why should we expect anything different?

It may be won this draw and it may roll for a year.

Jim

Reply #20

Guru101 — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:29:11 GMT

Ok, it rolled. Does that mean something

Reply #19

Uncle Jim — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:24:58 GMT

Just a little bump here to let everyone know that the Hoosier Lottery is still rolling!

Where are we know? I've lost track. I think we're approaching 90 draws and entering the 11th month without a winner?

$44 million 30 year annuity value?

Jim

Reply #18

Just6ntlc — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:46:52 GMT

Did someone win the jackpot or did it roll? If it rolled, what is the current jackpot? If someone won the jackpot and the cash option was $25.9 million, what is the annunity jackpot

Reply #17

Uncle Jim — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:34:51 GMT

I had another long response prepared but I lost my connection and lost the post. So just a few short comments for now.

@Floyd:

As usual your post makes perfect sense. I conceded your point about buying habits and no I don't have any information about lower prize levels. However, I submit to you that distribution patterns have much more to do with the location of scratch off prizes and winners than do sales patterns.

With regard to the Cash Blast game the Hoosier Lottery advertises b... [ More ]

Reply #16

RJOh — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:58:29 GMT

A $25.9 Million cash option. Yee haw! I hope I win this mother!

Your chances are as good as Uncle Jim

Reply #15

Guru101 — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:38:43 GMT

Ok, I got a response to the email I sent the Hoosier Lottery. Here it is:

Dear codeguru101:

I am in receipt of your recent e-mail regarding the Hoosier Lotto Jackpot. Please be advised that there is not $42.5 million in the bank for the Hoosier Lotto jackpot. The cash option is the amount of money the lottery has taken in from sales before each drawing. This amount is taken and then estimated based on previous records of what the sales potentially will be before the next drawing.

Reply #14

Guru101 — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:43:07 GMT

Kentucky Lottery headquarters are over in Louisville. I live close to the state border in Indiana, and my cable company is located in Louisville. I must say that I see a lot more Kentucky Lottery commercials than Hoosier Lottery commercials. We still get PowerBall commercials frequently when the jackpot is over $50 million. Also, I went to Indianapolis(which is at the very center of Marion county and the location of Hoosier Lottery headquarters) for a school trip one time for 3 days and I saw a

Reply #13

KY Floyd — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:45:57 GMT

I think any serious player here at lottery post would find the situation of paying prizes to players without tickets very disturbing indeed.

Why on Earth should anyone find that disturbing? The lottery knows exactly how many winning tickets there are, so they certainly aren't going to make a payment for a ticket that didn't exist. We all know that they don't make payments for plenty of the winning tickets that do exist, because people lose them or don't realize they're winners. If you can p... [ More ]

Reply #12

Guru101 — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:28:05 GMT

Response to William Foreman case - You say the Hoosier Lottery admitted William Foreman rigged a scratch off game. From what I've read, that's not exactly true. According to this link:

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/04300701ehf.pdf

William Foreman shared highly confidential information with his friends, locate and win from high paying scratch off tickets. I would see this as cheating. It may be considered rigging in a sense that it wasn't fair, but more on the lines of outri... [ More ]

Reply #11

Uncle Jim — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:26:15 GMT

I believe that a disproportionate number of Hoosier Lottery prizes go to residents of Indianapolis/Marion County. Indianapolis/Marion County is the state capital and the home of the Hoosier Lottery. I asked the Hoosier Lottery why this was the case and was told more prize winners come from Indianapolis/Marion County because it is the most populous region in the state. So I did a little comparision. These figures are from the U.S Census department.

Marion County has a population of approx... [ More ]

Reply #10

Uncle Jim — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:51:12 GMT

I have said repeadedly that I do not have any factual proof the Hoosier Lottery is rigged. There are 2 instances of rigged games I can point to.

1. The William Foreman Scratch off scandal. Mr. Foreman...a Hoosier Lottery Security Official rigged a scratch off game. The Hoosir Lottery has admitted Mr. Foreman rigged the game. His accomplices have pled guilty in a plea bargain agreement. Mr. Foreman is out on bail awaiting trial but press reports indicate he will in all probability not be

Reply #9

Guru101 — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:00:52 GMT

If they don't have the facts to back up their claims, that is an accurate assessment. (Unless of course somebody is holding a gun to their head and making them play.)

I don't know if you people who are complaining about the Hoosier Lottery realize this, but the burden of proof is on YOU. You don't just go around claiming malice is taking place here and there without some sort of proof. If you want people to think the Hoosier Lottery is rigged, then YOU have to show some proof. How you go abo... [ More ]

Reply #8

dld1961 — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:41:45 GMT

I drive a truck and played the hoosier about 1 1/2 months ago. Did an 18 # system with a 3 if 5 guarantee. Ran it with 14 hot and 4 overdue, caught 5 # and two tics with three #. Tighter system 4 of 5 would have been nice. RNG did not affect that draw i thoght, right place right time. DLD

Reply #7

Stack47 — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:05:58 GMT

Unless a state is running some type of a promotion, hitting a Pick-3 straight pays $500 but we have to overcome odds of 1000 to 1 to win that. Every state website I've read shows the payoffs and those odds so they are not hiding the fact they have a 50% edge. On the Power Ball site the odds of winning $100 is around 12,000 to 1 so the house edge can get even higher.

State lottery sites have links to their financial reports; for instance in the fiscal year 2006, Ohio had ticket sales of $2... [ More ]

Reply #6

Guru101 — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:49:08 GMT

If you're just expressing your opinion, maybe you should go into ANY topic started about a lottery, and if it's an RNG lottery, post RNG Cheaters! RNG Cheaters! . The person who started this thread wanted to talk about a high jackpot, not whether or not the Hoosier Lottery cheats or why it's RNG, therefore your post was OFF TOPIC. The targeting of the Hoosier Lottery on this forum is keeping people who want to talk about the Hoosier Lottery games from having a decent discussion because somebody... [ More ]

Reply #5

Palmmer — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:06:49 GMT

Notice I wrote ...personally speaking, I think... I'm expressing a personal thought or opinion. If you think that's whining, that's your opinion. I'll continue expressing my opinions when and if I want to. Nobody has to like, read, or agree with my opinion.

Prior to going to RNG, the Hoosier Lotto rarely went above the $10M to $20M range. It is conceivable RNG drawings can be set to pick a combination that no one selected for a particular drawing. Do you work for the Hoosier Lottery and kno... [ More ]

Reply #4

KY Floyd — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 07:36:43 GMT

Obviously you only need to play one combination to win. If you want to guarantee a win you have to play every combination. Anyone who claims they can guarantee winning 1/3 of the time with less than 1/3 of the combinations is either confused or a liar. In the case of a company trying to charge 10 grand to join a pool I'm pretty sure we all know which description fits.

Reply #3

RJOh — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 04:01:13 GMT

Do you really think you need to play all 12.3M possible combinations to win? A few years ago there was a Canadian company that claim they could win any 649 game one of every three times they played with only 300,000 combinations. At the time they were taking applications from anyone with $10K to waste to get on a waiting list to join one of their lottery pools for a Canadian lottery.

Reply #2

Guru101 — Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:56:06 GMT

If you're going to rag on the Hoosier Lottery because it's RNG, then you should be ragging on all RNG lotteries. Plus, why do you think it will keep rolling over as long as the Hoosier Lottery wants it too? You don't have video, pictures, or audio evidence acquired so all you can do is sit there and whine because you lost some money playing the lottery and say that they're cheaters. Seriously people, the Hoosier Lottery isn't the only RNG lottery, in yet so many people all of a sudden have a chi... [ More ]

Reply #1

Palmmer — Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:05:37 GMT

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/159907

Read the above-posted earlier thread to find out why I stopped buying Hoosier Lotto tickets a few weeks ago. It's an RNG drawing, and personally speaking, I think it will continue to rollover so long as the Hoosier Lottery wants it to rollover. It's their big cash cow right now.

Indiana Lottery (Hoosier Lotto)

Bradly_60 — Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:09:47 GMT

Have you guys seen that jackpot for the game? It is at $42 million!! The odds of winning are less than 1 in 13 million. Even with the cash option being about $20 million this is a game to get onto now. There is very few times in the lottery world that the jackpot is larger then the odds of winning especially in the cash option sense. I wish I had $12 million to pluck down and buy myself a win...haha

Brad