How to Use The Magic Square of Sun/Moon for the Pick 5...

Reply #34

Kola — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:59:50 GMT

Thanks Redtag. Hopefully a few can somewhat apply the tips you gave.

Happy Hunting to you as well

Reply #33

redtag — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:27:49 GMT

Majic number... 111... keep it in your sight

When I ran my 5 digit pick 111 is your cut off for 4 out of 5

with always one from above the number111.

look at your charts find you low number and you will have a 3 out of 5 in 9 numbers

ooops to much ....Keep looking

Reply #32

Kola — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:46:46 GMT

Hi Omniscient,

Good luck to you as you continue to explore

Reply #31

Omniscient — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:28:48 GMT

Hi Kola,

Well, I finished running some new number calcs from my latest test and used the mystical forum. Nothing new to report on... my hunch was wrong on finding a link to see if the charts numbers had a bearing on which side of the chart to use. Remember when I said alot of the charts numbers produced 2 of the 3, which I found very interesting, but didnt know which 2 to use weather it was vertical, horizontal or diagonal? I was back-checking the 'mystical' side of the Saturn chart to may... [ More ]

Reply #30

Kola — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:31:06 GMT

Hello Omniscient.

That's a very good question.

People on the LP commonly use wrapups and wrapdowns in their Lottery workups. The most famous book for all the wraps, or rundowns as some call them is Prof. E.Z. Hitt's Ready Reference Rundowns and Workouts. He uses 111 to do his rundowns. I don't have the book, so I don't know if he explains specifically why he chose 111.

But, as to why I used 111 for the Saturn Square to derive those other 2 squares...To be honest, I really can't tell... [ More ]

Reply #29

Omniscient — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:22:37 GMT

Hi Kola,

How/Why did you come with 111 for your wrap up and downs ? Just curious.

I did some more testing on that Saturn chart to see if there was a link between when certain parts of the chart would appear to have systematic hits and if those hits reflected on certain days and how long between hits. No steady and conclusive results were found unfortunately. Seeing that this is a 'Saturn' chart, maybe it needs to be used on certain astrological dates. Just throwing ideas out for now... T... [ More ]

Reply #28

Kola — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:01:13 GMT

This will be my last and probably most important post for this particular thread concerning the Magic Squares and how to possibly use them.

In the blue highlight above, I mentioned possible avenues of exploration in using the Squares. Well, there are two more that are part and parcel of Magic Square usage.

They are:

Rotation and Reflection.

1. you can rotate the square or the lines in the square by degrees - at least by 90, 180, 270, and 360.

2. You can reflect each line in... [ More ]

Reply #27

Kola — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:16:43 GMT

But in the meantime, lets explore the dynamism of these squares a little more and even try to get your zero in the process:

The Saturn Magic Square is:

4 9 2

3 5 7

8 1 6

If you add the 3 lines you get 1665

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Now Lets do a wrap up and a wrap down of each line of the Saturn Square by adding 111.

This is the wrap up:

6 0 3

4 6 8

9 2 7

If you add the 3 lines you get 1998

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This is the wrap down:

3 8 1

2 4 6

7 0 5

If you add the 3 lines you get... [ More ]

Reply #26

Kola — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:26:36 GMT

Hello Omniscient.

Thank YOU for your interest...

As far as zero is concerned...Curious isn't it?. Its not on any of the squares. Hmm....What does that mean? Hopefully your exporations will yield something interesting.

Reply #25

Omniscient — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:46:25 GMT

Thanks Kola, I will check it out right now actually.

(putting on my pointy dunce thinking cap to search for the missing link) LOL

Omniscient

I wonder if there is a way to get a zero on the magic square ... no mention of that anywhere. Interesting read though...

Reply #24

Kola — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:54:42 GMT

Hi Omniscient.

I don't know if you are aware...but just to be sure...that chart is not mine. Its never really been called a chart. Its centuries old, they're are seven of them, and they are actually called the Magic Squares of the Planets or just The Magic Squares. It has been speculated that they might've been used in astrology, astronomy, divination, and other occult and hard sciences. No one knows, and if someone does, she/he is not telling. So in essence, as it applies to the lottery,... [ More ]

Reply #23

Omniscient — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:28:09 GMT

No problem Kola. I was just curious how the results would work out in FL. Now I know. The chart did have 2 out of 3 on many occasions, and the last # you wouldnt know if you needed to add or subtract and on which number. Always interesting to see how new systems fare up to actual, past winning numbers to validate a system or chart.

Reply #22

Kola — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:55:40 GMT

Thanks Omniscient for the heads up about using the Saturn Square chart in Florida. I agree with you, and as a matter of fact if you just play the numbers the way they are listed horizontally, vertically, and diagonally on the square chart, you will eventually go broke. I hope no one ever plays those numbers as they are. Its is certainly a losing chart when played that way. You don't have to test any more states, because it will be a bust.

I've stressed in this thread that if one wants to use... [ More ]

Reply #21

Omniscient — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:52:29 GMT

I backtested the Saturn chart in FLorida going back 104 drawings. Here are the results:

If you played $8 a day covering your vertical,horizontal and diagonals for this Saturn chart, you would lose $832 playing for a boxed win.

In 104 draws, you would only have 3 wins for a total of $240 ($80 each hit for boxed)

832 - 240 = $592 loss during this time frame

The way I see it, it's a losing chart in FL. I dont know how good it is in other states. More testing would have to be done.... [ More ]

Reply #20

Kola — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:14:09 GMT

Hello EdessaKnight.

To be candid, I can only imagine that they are viable. I'm not too confident in posting any of my notes about that right now, because they would be an incoherent mess. Too incoherent. All that I've been willing to post on the Squares, are some of my general notes that I felt confident giving and would hopefully makes the squares slightly more interesting and accessible to the masses and especially to the uninitiated. I have another system that I'm trying to somewhat perfec... [ More ]

Reply #19

eddessaknight — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:30 GMT

Hello Kola,

Again I appreciate your prompt, courteous and always informative replies-

For personal clearfication purposes, are playing squares with accompanying dominant sun, planet or moon phases a viable contributing factor ???

Kaballah numerology can also uncover time less/universal expressions and are a big blast from the past

I am confident that you will find the alive kicking Jack Gillen predictions, nothing short of amazing !

For all unorthodox and intrepid investigator... [ More ]

Reply #18

Kola — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:27:13 GMT

One more thing. I did mention that the square you use is partially dependent on HOW you manipulate it for the Pick 5. You may want to analyze your state's particular Pick 5 number pool. It may be a factor in which square you choose and how you manipulate the square. All the Magic Squares may not be amendable to your Pick 5 game if each Square is manipulated in the same exact ways.

Reply #17

Kola — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:07:22 GMT

Hi EddessaKnight.

Thanks for your sentiments and for tuning in. I'm grateful that you do indeed resonate with the material presented.

As far as the timing issue is concerned....Well....HAHAHA....NOW, you are putting me on the spot. All in all, I do admire and have admired your tenacity, drive and curiosity that inspires you to seek non-linear solutions. But to answer your question - a big YES. I'll just say, I've looked at those issues, and I'm still exploring.

And like you, I've al... [ More ]

Reply #16

Kola — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:24:59 GMT

Hello Coin Toss.

Yes, that comment you've seen about adding to 15 is quite limiting if just looked at from that point of view. For the 3 X 3 square, you can manipulate it in different ways. You just have to play with it...Yes each line adds to 15, and the total is 45, but there is another total as well...1665

Saturn

492

357

816

Add 492 + 357 + 816 = 1665(666). Add 492 + 357 + 816 = 1665(666).

Add 492 + 357 + 816 = 1665(666). As an aside, rem... [ More ]

Reply #15

Kola — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:06:30 GMT

Your're welcome Paint1. I should say thank YOU...You gave me good afternoon chuckle. Just to be clear though, I hope you know that those boxes or rather squares are not mine. Just click on the wikipedia link in my first post on this thread, and find out more about them. Thanks again

Reply #14

eddessaknight — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:56:47 GMT

Hello Kola,

Without sounding patronizing, you should be commended to go where no lottery/keno ping ball would be commonly predicted to go !

When in experimentation field of imaginative thought, it radically differs from the standard clinical lab world where everything proceeds according to standard deviations, etc., and players continually lose to negative math expectations at a alarming rate ..... There is always an ongoing assult against imagination by the conventional forces of sobriet... [ More ]

Reply #13

Coin Toss — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:16:56 GMT

Kola

I've seen the 3 X 3 square touted for the pick 3, with the comment notice how many pick 3s add to 15 , but in my state, anyway, that just isn't the case.

Also, for a pick 5 game, wouldn't you want to use a 5 X 5 and not a 6 X 6

Reply #12

paint1 — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:05:08 GMT

I like your Saturn Box Kola, when I add subtract 1 to each set of numbers I get 6 box hits in the last 7 draws. This is the kind of nonsense I understand. Thanks for the idea.

Reply #11

Kola — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:37:55 GMT

By the way EddessaKnight you've echoed my sentiments exactly about trying to beat the lottery. If you gamble the conventional way, you are playing by their rules. These gambling games have all weighed and accounted for the static odds of their particular game so that in the end they will usually come out on top.

I feel one has to also look outside of that conventional paradigm in order trump their odds with techniques and methodologies they could and hopefully would not consider. Like I alwa... [ More ]

Reply #10

Kola — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:29:03 GMT

Hello EddessaKnight,

You are not putting me on the spot at all...

As far as the Pick 5 is concerned and its pertinence to the Magic Square of the Sun, I haven't really haven't begun to work on it in earnest. I've observed and made alot of notes, and I know the way I want to proceed , but I haven't gotten down to it in a rigorous way. Partly because when I started playing the lottery 2 years, I was always focused on the seemingly easiest game - the Pick 3, which was and is a great training... [ More ]

Reply #9

Kola — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:48:30 GMT

Phileight,

Thanks for your sentiments. I'm glad you found the post interesting. I prefer to get people thinking in new ways, instead of giving them the immediate answers or hard and fast conclusions. So what I'll do, at least for the interested few, is post the not so willy-nilly concepts and a few concrete templates to get people who are interested and choose to work on it, at least traveling in a hopefully decent direction. If then choose to veer into a slightly or wholly different direct... [ More ]

Reply #8

eddessaknight — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:11:00 GMT

Hey Kola, et al-

As I find that all gambling games cannot be overcome by standard conventional math, out f the box or esoteric methodologies have a justifiable fascination for me.In that regard your sun/moon materials are most interesting reading.

What timing protocols do you use for the NY pick 5 ?

For my edification purposes and not to put you on the spot, have you found the number squares to work?

In reciprocation:

Great historic pix of NYC- New York in Black and White

These... [ More ]

Reply #7

phileight — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:04:19 GMT

Kola

I have seen a few systems come and go. The degree to which they work varies. most any system will work somewhere sometime. I scan through active topics too see if there are any interesting discussions or ideas. Most of what I look at I ignore without comment. Just because I disagree doesn't make me right. If I have explored something similiar and have relevant info I may express that.

The point is, I did find your post interesting. Don't know enough to say its good or bad just i... [ More ]

Reply #6

Kola — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:43:10 GMT

I forgot to address your comment about 865, 365 and 360. To me and the way I play the lottery, they are generally the same.

As we know, 365 is the numbers of days in the year. It begins at day 1 and circles through to day 365 on its way back to 1. That's a circle. The earth circles(360 degrees) around the sun and essentially returns to the same spot . So for me, and its pertinence to lottery logic, 365 = 360. This correspondence and others can be useful. Again, you implied this corresponden... [ More ]

Reply #5

Kola — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:41:41 GMT

Hi Guru101.

Being that you hasve posted quite alot on the LP, I'm surprised you don't know what mirrors are. Mirrors have been talked about ad nauseum. In the future use the search feature to find what 'mirrors' or anything else is on the LP. These are the mirrors:

0=5

1=6

2=7

3=8

4=9

Secondly, judging from your post, it seems I've caused you a wee bit of distress...Don't let me have that much influence in your life . So I agree, lets chalk up what I've posted to...as you... [ More ]

Reply #4

Guru101 — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:09:22 GMT

You keep saying you do mirroring , whatever that is, that changes 865 to 360 or 365 and then say 360 is a circle and 365 is the number of days in a year. So which is it? 360 or 365? I don't even know what mirroring is. Dude, seriously, it IS rubbish. I wish more people here would stop trying to take something that applies to something else and then AUTOMATICALLY CLAIM that it can be used for something else like winning the lottery. Why do people here keep coming up with all this mathematical no... [ More ]

Reply #3

Kola — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:49:48 GMT

Hi phileight.

Yes, there's MORE to be gained from those magic squares. One just may have to tune out, at least for a while, the conventional ways that the squares have been approached. Thanks for appreciating the info.

Reply #2

phileight — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:56:11 GMT

Kola

interesting. enough so, that i looked at the other site referenced. i have a passing knowledge of magic squares but have never looked at them the way you do. thanks for kicking the dust off a couple of brain cells. looking forward to more info.

p8

Reply #1

Kola — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:05:10 GMT

As you consider the above, you may want to also consider what I wrote about time of draw and the lottery at:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/166180.

How to Use The Magic Square of Sun/Moon for the Pick 5...

Kola — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:38:32 GMT

This thin post is just to whet you appetite to encourage some more exploration. You will not be disappointed as you look at the Pick 5 in totally different light.

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As some of you know there are seven magic squares of the planets. Basically Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, the Sun, Venus, Mercury, and the Moon each has a Magic Square. For more complete info go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_squares

The magic squares have mathematically magical properties. One of these properties is the... [ More ]