I'm in LOVE!!

Reply #43

LottoMining — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:11:14 GMT

A huge thank you to BobP from California!!

On 1/30/08 I had a very strong hunch that 1/31 s California Fantasy 5 draw would have numbers that were picked from somewhere in the last 6 draws so I decided to use BobP s group combination wheel as a test using the numbers from the last 6 draws. There were 23 unique numbers so I had to toss three since the system is set up for 20 numbers:

2, 6, 8, 11, 12, 13, 16, 18, 19, 22, 23, 25, 26, 28, 30, 31, 33, 35, 36, 39

I was correct... [ More ]

Reply #42

CARBOB — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:43:46 GMT

I forgot to show all the combos. Used digits from last 6 draws, then filtered using Sums

1279|11131517|18212223|28293132|33343536|

111182833

111212934

111223135

111233236

113182936

113212835

113223234

113233133

115183134

115213233

115222836

115232935

117183235

117213136

117222933

117232834

211182935

211212836

211223233

211233134

213182834

213212933

213223136

213233235

215183236

215213135

215222934

2... [ More ]

Reply #41

CARBOB — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:35:57 GMT

Fla 1/5/08

1 15 23 29 35

2 11 18 29 35

7 11 23 29 33

7 13 22 29 35

1 13 18 29 36

1 17 18 32 35

7 15 21 29 36

7 17 22 32 36

9 11 18 32 34

9 13 21 32 36

9 15 22 32 35

Reply #40

LottoVantage — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:20:55 GMT

Hey there lottolaughs! Really good seeing you back here again too!

This may be the year for us pick fivers, wad-a-ya-think, lol..

Never did get a website up and running, it's so boring lonely out there in cyberspace. Besides, the 24/7 aspect really becomes less and less appealing every time I stack on another year, lol!

Really good to see you, keep it coming babe

Reply #39

lottolaughs — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:32:06 GMT

Thanks for viewing,redtag! Looks like you're still sticking with it too,that's great news. Us diehards are gonna bust the Pick 5 open this year,lol. Bob's wheel gave me some new inspiration to go back and spend a little more time over here instead of Pick 3. Got burnt out for awhile but I'm ready now. Let's go

Reply #38

lottolaughs — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:25:24 GMT

LV,so GREAT to see ya! Always full of great information and sorely missed here.

Pick 5 is STILL ALIVE! We just have to get the old ball rolling again with our veteran experts!

Thanks CARBOB,couldn't have said it better--

BobP and LV's explanations and views are what this Pick 5 forum has been lacking. Those are darn good tools to use to create a winning atmoshere.

Stick around

Reply #37

lottolaughs — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:21:56 GMT

Hello BP,

Your wheel has everyone in an uproar,LOL! I still think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and am having a ball with it. Am going to have some new strings available pretty soon and will do a test run with them and your wheel. Can't wait! Thanks for peeking in

Reply #36

LottoVantage — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:00:17 GMT

Hey there redtag! Good seeing you back here posting at LP again! Really appreciate the favorable comments. Hang in there guy and we'll trump this thing one way or the other

Reply #35

redtag — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:12:17 GMT

Lottolaughs,

Thank you again for all your hard work!!!!!!

You'll hit this thing yet.

If the combination of a couple of programs where combined I feel that 4/5 is real to do.

Rod

Reply #34

redtag — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:49:49 GMT

Lotto vantage,

Hello there... How have you been?

I hope well.

Happy New Year to you.

Glad to see that you still have the drive to pick the numbers.

You do not have to defend your system it speaks for itself and I dare anyone to prove it wrong.

No one else has done what you have in open forum so boooo to them..

Kola I hope you are listening to LV

Rod

Reply #33

JAP69 — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:49:57 GMT

Next you have to get one number correct in each group.....good luck... tooo restrictive

I have tracked each sorted position on an individual basis.I found the stats on the number drawn and the even-odd of the last number and the high and low of the last number and of course what decade may be possible informative information.

As a way of tracking each sorted position I used my pick 3 and 4 software. Gave me all the stats I wanted.

If two like numbers appeared in 2 sets that line in the t... [ More ]

Reply #32

CARBOB — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:05:47 GMT

Thanks LV. That filter should be AABBC

Reply #31

LottoVantage — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:52:12 GMT

Here is some additional thinking; Identifying the currant sum range of recent jackpot sums targets a known constant. Employing that known constant in the wheeling process can reduce a total of 433 tic's down to an affordable 30 to 40 or so tic's by employing sum reduction.

If the drawn numbers appear within or close to the target sum range, and 4 or 5 of the drawn numbers are within the group of numbers you choose to wheel, you will recover some or all of your wagered bets, and possibly more... [ More ]

Reply #30

CARBOB — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:10:04 GMT

Last night's draw killed me. My filtering sticks!! Using filter AABC.

1/4/08

1-2-7-8-13

1-2-7-8-14

1-2-7-9-13

1-2-7-9-14

1-2-7-12-13

1-2-7-12-14

1-3-7-8-13

1-3-7-8-14

1-3-7-9-13

1-3-7-9-14

1-3-7-12-13

1-3-7-12-14

1-5-7-8-13

1-5-7-8-14

1-5-7-9-13

1-5-7-9-14

1-5-7-12-13

1-5-7-12-14

Reply #29

Stack47 — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:22:10 GMT

First of ...cutting a matrix of ~40 numbers (for pick 5) in half is terrible to begin with ..

I'd agree if the idea is to cut the possible 658,008 combinations in half, but the idea is to cut the starting numbers in half; 5/20 has 15,504 combinations not 329,004 or around a 97% reduction.

Even if somebody could find a method that consistently produced 5 winning numbers out of 20, $15,504 a pop is way too high for a serious lottery player. Wheels are designed to lower the playing cost to... [ More ]

Reply #28

jarasan — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:01:20 GMT

It is an efficient wheel, great guarantee and cost effective. In MD.Bonus match 5 it would cost $42 to play the 20 group and $24 the 15 number group. Thank You very much for sharing

Reply #27

LottoVantage — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:38:14 GMT

Thanks for the kudos CARBOB! Hope you do well with your numbers in Florida tonight.

Good luck, and keep on truckin'...

Reply #26

CARBOB — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:34:41 GMT

BobP and LV's explanations and views are what this Pick 5 forum has been lacking. Those are darn good tools to use to create a winning atmoshere. Being negative doesn't contribute one iota to creative brainstorming. Thanks to both of you. I used the group of 3 wheel and filtered .With that said my picks for tonight.

Fla 1/3/08

312182936

411182936

412172936

412182836

412182935

510182936

511172936

511182836

511182935

512172836

512172935

512182736... [ More ]

Reply #25

LottoVantage — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:52:59 GMT

The way I prefer arriving at a set of numbers to wheel is to track my sum range chart and see where the winning number sums are congregating.

Then, the second part is in deciding which numbers I need for use in the wheel. There are all kinds of tricky formulas around to try, but formulas are always in constant change. How can you successfully manage that constant change?

The way I manage the change is to maintain an accurate up to date statistical flow chart. This chart indicates what numb... [ More ]

Reply #24

BobP — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:30:42 GMT

First of all the wheel was originally posted in a response to NumbaTuff who said he could almost always get all the winning numbers in five groups of two to four numbers, a 5if5in20 numbers 1024 lines if one from each of 5 groups of 4 was offered as well.

The wheel is special in the sense it is nearly impossible to find these wheels in books or lotto software. If it is what you were looking for to complete your strategy it's priceless, if not it's worthless.

Cutting the field in half, de... [ More ]

Reply #23

JAP69 — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:13:30 GMT

Thanks BobP. And thanks for posting it.

I like this one too.

Reply #22

JAP69 — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:09:43 GMT

All is needed for 5 0f 5 to fall correctly in the matrix [ I think they call it ] for a jackpot.

Maybe we can work on figuring where to put our top numbers in the wheel where we have a chance at 5 of 5 if the top numbers fall.

I also like the short version there with 3 in each set. That is my style budget wise for jackpot games.

Be a cold day in haedies before I lay out over $60.00 a day in wagers.

Reply #21

CARBOB — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:51:10 GMT

Thanks BobP for link and the help info.

Reply #20

derek7 — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:52:25 GMT

Thank you BobP for responding to my Five groups of three numbers each question.

Derek

Reply #19

lottolaughs — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:39:38 GMT

Any method will only work for a certain amount of time anyway so to depend on just one is never a good idea. You have to find the right mix and judging from all the posts on here we still haven't found the right recipe if there is any such animal. It's all about bettering your chances,do you like to leave it up to the computer(QP's) or would you rather spend your dollar YOUR way with something you came up with? We all like to feel that sense of accomplishment , that OUR numbers gave us the wi... [ More ]

Reply #18

benmas — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:07:22 GMT

There is nothing wrong with methods but there is something wrong with bad methods...It is good that you are having fun with it but the whole point of it is to WIN MONEY (positive net profit)...I tried the above wheels and wasn't satisfied with the results at all...(maybe i need to work on it but to work on it will surely mean losing money first)....(also some states like NJ dont pay for 2of 5)...I only wanted to highlight some of the drawbacks of wheels like these....I dont want to be negative b... [ More ]

Reply #17

lottolaughs — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:58:10 GMT

You don't hear that too often, happy I didn't hit 5. LOL!

tonight

Reply #16

lottolaughs — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:49:56 GMT

Of course you are entitled to your opinions but for those of us who WRITE systems this is a great asset in my tool bag. It's like it was custom made for me! What is wrong with METHODS that you so obviously highlighted? Absolutely nothing in my book. We are all using one method or another.

I'm so tired of naysayers and downers. Why can't we all just be positive for a change? Maybe it might change some luck around here. This is all gambling, a game of chance anyway. We all know we will mostl... [ More ]

Reply #15

lottolaughs — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:39:33 GMT

Hello tntea!

Be glad to help you out. You will use your last 2 drawing results. For TN now they would be in order--

8 9 15 18 24 29 32 33 36

Formula #1 (Same +1 +2)

8 9 10 11 15 16 17 18 19 20 24 25 26 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38

Formula #2 (-2 -1 Same)

6 7 8 9 13 14 15 16 17 18 22 23 24 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36

Formula #3 (-1 Same +1)

7 8 9 10 14 15 16 17 18 19 23 24 25 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37

Formula #4 (+1 +2 +3)

9 10 1... [ More ]

Reply #14

CARBOB — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:45:33 GMT

I had 14x2, happy I didn't hit 5. Will try again today.

Reply #13

benmas — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:59:05 GMT

Nothing special about any of the above mentioned wheels ...on the first look they seem great but its just another method...there are few good things and many bad things with these wheels...Don't kill me with your comments defending the wheels ....I mean if you love it that's cool with me ..use it to your advantage...Just posting my honest opinion...My observations on these wheels below...

First of ...cutting a matrix of ~40 numbers (for pick 5) in half is terrible to begin with ..

Next you... [ More ]

Reply #12

BobP — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:58:26 GMT

Five groups of three numbers each.

| 1-2-3 | 4-5-6 | 7-8-9 | 10-11-12 | 13-14-15 |

A 4# prize is guaranteed if one and only one number from each group of three is correct.

01 04 07 10 13

01 04 08 11 14

01 04 09 12 15

01 05 07 11 15

01 05 08 12 13

01 05 09 10 14

01 06 07 12 14

01 06 08 10 15

01 06 09 11 13

02 04 07 10 14

02 04 08 11 13

02 04 08 12 15

02 04 09 11 15

02 04 09 12 14

02 05 07 12 13

02 05 08 10 15

02 05 09 11 14

02 06 07 11 15

02 06 08 12 14

02 06 09 10

Reply #11

tntea — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:37:30 GMT

Lottolaughs,

I remember your strings from the previous year. I have since forgotten how you arrived to those. Could you explain again about how many past strings you use/ or past winning numbers? TN had 08 18 36 24 33 this past Monday. Is this string +1+2+3 all I deal with? How do I come up with more than one line of numbers.

Thanks in advance...

Tntea

Reply #10

CARBOB — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:37:37 GMT

Let's give this a run for Fla. I took the 20 numbers with the most skips. If this hits I will be forever mad!!!

26122432

26142733

26203034

26213136

28122736

28142434

28203133

28213032

29123033

29143132

29202436

29212734

211123134

211143036

211202732

211212433

36122734

36142436

36203132

36213033

38122433

38142732

38203036

38213134

39123136

39143034

39202733

39212432

311123032

311143133

311202434

3... [ More ]

Reply #9

tntea — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:02:02 GMT

Playing around with NC

03,04,08,09,10,18,24,27,28,34

Will come back with it wheeled

1. 03-04-08-09-10

2. 03-04-08-09-34

3. 03-04-08-09-27

4. 03-04-08-09-28

5. 03-04-08-09-18

6. 03-04-08-09-24

7. 04-08-09-10-34

8. 04-08-09-10-27

9. 04-08-09-10-28

10. 04-08-09-10-18

11. 04-08-09-10-24

12. 04-08-09-27-34

13. 04-08-09-28-34

14. 04-08-09-18-34

15. 04-08-09-24-34

16. 04-08-09-27-28

17. 04-08-09-18-27

18. 04-08-09-24-27

19. 04-08-09-18-28

20. 04-08-09-24-28

21. 04... [ More ]

Reply #8

derek7 — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:43:59 GMT

Anything for 1-2-3 | 4-5-6 | 7-8-9 | 10-11-12 | 13-14-15

Seriously...

Derek

Reply #7

lottolaughs — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:38:25 GMT

Thank you budward for all your hard work!

We sure do appreciate everything you do for us here at the LP!

Fantabulous spreadsheet

Reply #6

budward — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:35:56 GMT

I have a spreadsheet version of the wheel you can download at my website.

Go to my blog for the link.

Reply #5

JAP69 — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:41:45 GMT

I did not do any thing other than place some numbers at random up to 38 in each set when I was checking it . Just to see how random does.

Looks like a potential of 5 of 5 if you have the 5 numbers drawn in the proper matrix order.

Just at random picking 5 0f 5 appeared when I was checking results. I am missing some results but need to get those. What is possible with careful selection?

I got 2 0f 5 marked as we get 1 dollar back

| 1-2-3-4 | 5-6-7-8 | 9-10-11-12 | 13-14-15-16 | 17-18... [ More ]

Reply #4

budward — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:27:19 GMT

I couldn't agree more.

Those strings were the first thing I thought of when I saw that wheel.

plus

Reply #3

lottolaughs — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:12:02 GMT

Glad to hear we still have a few fans left over here,LOL.

I will be tooling around with this wheel also this year. Somehow I feel it goes perfectly along with this old system of mine-- https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/137366

Can't wait to get started running some tests

Reply #2

budward — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:51:38 GMT

Thanks for starting this thread lottolaughs.

And more thanks to Bob for posting this wheel.

I kinda got away from wheels but this one got my attention.

Like Jap69, I have also been experimenting with it .

We will see what happens with your NC numbers over the next week.

Good Luck!!

Bud

Reply #1

JAP69 — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:54:58 GMT

It is an awesome wheel.

I was playing with it and like it.

I thought about running a key number like in 1 2 3 4 or in 17 18 19 20

| 1-2-3-4 | 5-6-7-8 | 9-10-11-12 | 13-14-15-16 | 17-18-19-20 |

I was checking my number selections with other states and four of 5 appeared and a lot of 3 of 5

I'm in LOVE!!

lottolaughs — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:44:36 GMT

with BobP's 4if5 Pick 5 wheel !! Awesome job,BobP,and thanks for sharing it here on the LP!!

For those of you who may have missed it--

Five groups of four numbers each. If one and only one number is correct in each group 4if5 is guaranteed. Replace my place holder pointer numbers with your best picks.

| 1-2-3-4 | 5-6-7-8 | 9-10-11-12 | 13-14-15-16 | 17-18-19-20 |

01 05 09 13 17

01 05 10 14 18

01 05 11 15 19

01 05 12 16 20

01 06 09 14 20

01 06 10 13 19

01 06 1... [ More ]