Is there a "Lottery Ego?"

Reply #59

BUCK6 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:48:29 GMT

Piaceri you have had it ruff and I hope you win the lottery someday . If for nothing else , just to show your Ex Who needs you ? .

As for an ego I say most of us just want to have a Dream and ego doesn't enter into it at all . Most things can be taken from us, as you have seen, but NO ONE can take your dreams . Besides that any cat lover , as you must be , deserves to win . Good luck and God Bless .

Reply #58

jarasan — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:35:37 GMT

A lottery meltdown, next thing you know they'll say it contributes to global warming, or would it be global winning?

I think I am the hottest number picker there is, sunshine, I'm on fire. Been doin it several billion years, and I'll be smokin' hot for several billion more, sooner or later I'm a gonna hit, time is on my side, sunny side, that is.

Reply #57

RJOh — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:14:40 GMT

I do think some people have a lottery ego but it's not the ones who are trying to develop a strategy or system to improve their chances of winning, it those who come to LP and suggest everyone else should play certain numbers for a while because they or a family member had a dream or a particular experience. They not only lose when they play those numbers but so does everyone else who play those numbers.

I could be wrong but I won't believe anything different until someone comes to LP, sugges... [ More ]

Reply #56

Coin Toss — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:28:18 GMT

That's very true, Guru101.

But someone saying they are working on one is a universe or two different than people saying they've cracked the code and never producing a jackpot winner.

Reply #55

Guru101 — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:04:07 GMT

The lottery is a game after all right? If someone wants to come up with a strategy to win the jackpot, then there's nothing wrong with that.

Reply #54

time*treat — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:49:46 GMT

The lotteries tend to increase the matrix size of lotto games as the bears get smarter...pick 3 and pick 4 remain the same.

Something is different.

Reply #53

Stack47 — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:33:13 GMT

There are many reasons why lotteries are like insurance companies with the most obvious being they both know the percentages are in their favor before they ever sell their first lottery ticket or policy. I'm not sure if we can compare lottery players to policy holders because the betting structures are different and I don't know how to explain a policy holder's winning or losing in lottery terms.

The best games of chance for the lotteries are the ones that give the player the illusion they ca... [ More ]

Reply #52

Coin Toss — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:27:12 GMT

Justxploring,

C'mon, you write the Frank Ernest cartoons, right

Reply #51

justxploring — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:55:23 GMT

Zis has notink to do wis ze jzackpots und everytink to do wis ze previous employments.

We were talking about lists not Liszt.

I do not have any problem with composers. I love the piano, although I am opposed to using unnecessary violinz when randomly selecting a string of numbers. I just don't find predictions to be instrumental in winning a jackpot. I suppose it's up to you if you feel like tooting your own horn.

Reply #50

justxploring — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:47:09 GMT

I do not play the four that often but occasionaly when I need a new yacht.

Well, if I win a big Lotto jackpot, maybe I can float you a loan. My problem is, if I keep buying tickets, I'll probably be up the creek without a paddle. So I'm trying to get 5 in a row. (groan) Hope the tides will soon be turning and I won't have to bail or wave good-bye.

Reply #49

JAP69 — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:12:32 GMT

It's the thrill and excitement of picking winning numbers str8 from the 1,000 str8s in the 3 game.

The super big thrill is the four game. Which I have hit str8 for the money. I do not play the four that often but occasionaly when I need a new yacht.

Reply #48

lotterybraker — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:06:32 GMT

well..some people chose studying numbers as a Hobby..or the numbers chose them if you are into that kinda stuff..most of the comments that you will read on the forums..any of the forums, are posted by people that actually know a thing or 2...Things that can AND DO HELP others play..because I will be the first to say that I know more than 100,000 AVERAGE BEARS but does that mean I have and Ego PROBLEM..no it doesnt..it just means I have been studying these numbers for 20 years and have learned a

Reply #47

LiLSpeedy — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:20:44 GMT

The majority of the real lp players play to win. We encourage each other and congrats on a good post. Is that bragging? I think not. They are on to something that might help you get out of your losing way if you pay attention, and get your ego out of the way.

Reply #46

LottoAce — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:58:57 GMT

I found this site to be

full of overinflated egos

so I would say...yes. but would we really want it any other way

Reply #45

time*treat — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:59:28 GMT

quoting jxp:

This neurosis probably applies to me since I still feel sick once ina while about numbers I didn't play that won a lot of money and try very hard not to write down combinations I don't actually play!

Now see if you had just said that in the beginning, we could have avoided all this commotion and just diagnosed it as 'an aversion to lists of numbers'.

Zis has notink to do wis ze jzackpots und everytink to do wis ze previous employments.

Reply #44

RJOh — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 05:07:00 GMT

Obvious developing and testing lottery systems and strategies is not for everyone who comes to LP looking for ways to improve their chances of winning but for some it's part of the enjoyment of playing the games and hopefully getting an edge on winning. To them it makes as much sense as playing QPs, birthdays, hunches and numbers deride from dreams interpretations.

Reply #43

jarasan — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:51:36 GMT

Good observation. Why bother if you don't win or lose real money, for this reason I don't post a lot of predictions I play what I pick, because coulda, woulda, shoulda bum me out.

I wanted to say earlier about computers, they are just tools, ultimately I decide from intuition and gutz what maybe coming down the pike, and the numbers I am willing to wager on. At least I do it that way.

Reply #42

justxploring — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:36:50 GMT

I actually started this thread for fun, which is obvious from the choices I listed. But it's gotten interesting, and I guess we'll all have to agree to disagree on some issues.

I understand what both time*treat and RJOh are saying about systems. I guess I could never jot down some numbers and see them hit that evening without pulling out some hair. When I had most of my IRA invested in the stock market, I once read that making money has a tummy meter. If you feel as if you're going to throw u... [ More ]

Reply #41

RJOh — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:17:19 GMT

@jxp: You would have to eventually spend real money to get a real benefit. Before eventually , you could backtest it. There is also nothing stopping you from writing down a list of pretend plays in the morning (paper-trading), and checking the coulda-been results in the evening.

Gold and Platinum members are already doing that when they post hundreds of predictions daily on the prediction board. Some have even won big on the prediction board but they just haven't been able to transfer those... [ More ]

Reply #40

time*treat — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:11:01 GMT

@jxp: You would have to eventually spend real money to get a real benefit. Before eventually , you could backtest it. There is also nothing stopping you from writing down a list of pretend plays in the morning (paper-trading), and checking the coulda-been results in the evening.

I understand what you mean by not playing all the numbers a system might generate. Looking around, I see people post 300-400 numbers (for p3) and say these are good for 3 days, anywhere , bragging on a box hit, and c... [ More ]

Reply #39

justxploring — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:21:34 GMT

Okay, time*treat, but is the insurance company the player or the lottery? I would answer Lottery simply because it is analyzing loss/gain to make a profit. They are gambling that the majority of people won't get sick or die or get in accidents (depending on what type of course) The Lottery designs games that will only payout a certain percentage so they can make a big profit. Maybe the lottery is more like an insurance company than I first admitted! After all, both of them want the consumer to s... [ More ]

Reply #38

Coin Toss — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:55:27 GMT

Since we're on systems, consider the game of blackjack.

(Or any game for that matter, but we'll use blackjack).

Those strategy cards that tell you when to hit, stand, or double down - and never take insurance- are based on millions and millions of hands (results).

The thing is, you're not going to sit down and play millions of hands. You're going to play for a relatively very short time, and just maybe in that time, this is the night that the dealer has a snapper every time they ask you... [ More ]

Reply #37

time*treat — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:27:21 GMT

@jxp, in the context of your comment to RJOh, your comment to me (now) makes sense... so I will respond.

There is a premise that all system writers seek to eliminate individual numbers. This is not the case. Not everyone uses the same approach.

Insurance (and lottery) and many other things can be analyzed using stats. The only thing that will exactly mimic a 5/36 game is itself. That may be a critical stumbling block for some, but not for everyone. E.g., some people toss everything out whe... [ More ]

Reply #36

RJOh — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:08:24 GMT

I want to elaborate, although we've gone way off the lottery ego subject...or have we? Is it ego or logic that makes someone believe that a system can pick the right numbers? Is it ego that makes someone feel that, if a person doesn't accept his reasoning, that person is wrong or confused?

Quote by justxploring

It may be more ego than logic that makes a player believe he can improve his chances of winning a jackpot by observing past drawings but I doubt is anyone would think others who fo... [ More ]

Reply #35

Coin Toss — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:28:49 GMT

Think about this folks.

Keno in its earliest form financed the building of the Great Wll of China. The original tickets had 80 characters of the Chinese alphabet, not numbers.

Then came lotteries, which have been around for a very long time- before calculators, computers, software, etc...and still no one can crack the code .

As has been said here on LP, a specific set of numbers will hit, you just have to have 483 years to make sure it happens.

Reply #34

justxploring — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:21:43 GMT

I want to elaborate, although we've gone way off the lottery ego subject...or have we? Is it ego or logic that makes someone believe that a system can pick the right numbers? Is it ego that makes someone feel that, if a person doesn't accept his reasoning, that person is wrong or confused?

RJOh, I agree with you that the smaller the number pool, the better a system will work. However, to use the examples time*treat listed (weather insurance) these patterns are based on years and years of data... [ More ]

Reply #33

justxploring — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:05:42 GMT

I'm not sure it's because these people (whoever they might be) don't seem to get it but that they don't believe a model exists for a random game.

What you refer to in the insurance industry is called Risk Pooling the Law of Large Numbers. It's the basic principle that the larger the number of individual risks combined into a group, the more certainty there is in predicting the degree or amount of loss that will be incurred in any given period. Of course nobody can predict the exact day a per... [ More ]

Reply #32

Guru101 — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:11:12 GMT

LOL, you know it's kinda funny though. Sometimes I make a discovery about one of my methods several months after coming up with it and coding it. I'll just be going through the program and think to myself Hmmmmm, what if I tweak this a little bit . Sometimes it's not that huge of a difference, and since it doesn't cover as high a percentage of the draws, I'll change it back. However, on occasion, I'll tweak something a little bit and see it has a huge effect on my odds. Although, it might happen... [ More ]

Reply #31

Mega-ThinkTank — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:22:42 GMT

Guru, I have the same type of experience except it took me more than 10 years to know what I know now and like you, I thank God too -- but I think the wisdom I've gain thus far is only in increment what I must know the rest of the way.

I'm just waiting for some kind of message, sign, dream from God where He says: That's it. You know everything you need to know, go out and use it to the best of your ability.

Now, that would be really cool to get an answer like that from God...hah... [ More ]

Reply #30

time*treat — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:35:46 GMT

The thing about models that many people don't seem to get is ~ if the model was as complex as the original problem, it would not be a model .

The weatherman doesn't know the vector, velocity, and temperature of every molecule when he gives the forecast. But, the forecast is usually good enough for a day or two.

Insurance companies don't know exactly who will have an accident, or exactly how long a particular person will live, but they have a good idea of how many per 1,000 people, and in w... [ More ]

Reply #29

RJOh — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:41:07 GMT

My signature is what happens most is most likely to happen again and that is the idea behind my system.

Obviously my system doesn't look at winning numbers as a group because groups of winning numbers seldom appear together more than once during the life of the game even when the number pool is quite small as with West Virgina Cash25 (6/25) with only 177K possible combinations. Groups of numbers do however share characteristics more than not many times and it's those shared characteristics o... [ More ]

Reply #28

justxploring — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:07:16 GMT

A friend recently said that to me ( trend is your friend ) but I'd still have to play a lot of numbers that follow it. One week just about every draw in FL had 3 consecutive numbers. Coincidence or trend? I also see 21 and 31 in the same combination quite a bit. That said, I wonder if it's because I notice certain numbers or combinations more (like 9-11 for example) because of their meaning.

BTW (this is for Coin Toss) not to go too far off-topic, but the winner of the $12M Florida Lotto did... [ More ]

Reply #27

Guru101 — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:12:13 GMT

I don't flaunt my system as being some all mighty system that can predict the winning set 100% of the time each and every single draw. If such a system existed, the person would only need to play a single set of numbers per drawing; the winning set. The reason systems don't work isn't necessarily because they do not give the player an edge. Some systems actually do work, but because of the sheer numbers involved, the wanted results STILL do not happen.

See, odds of 1 in 5 aren't really that g... [ More ]

Reply #26

RJOh — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:07:00 GMT

A computer program is not magical, it's a set of instructions written by someone. It will execute only those instructions and nothing more. A player using a program that he didn't write and doesn't understand may imagines it is doing more but it's not.

Reply #25

hypersoniq — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:59:11 GMT

You don't need to account for EVERY variable or pre (and post) draws. ANY system, be it pencil/paper or elaborate 25,000 line opus in C++ is at best a coincidental tool.

It works, that's coincidence.... it doesn't work, also coincidence.

In all honesty, it doesn't matter HOW a system works as long as it gives good numbers. My current system uses the previous draws as a source of randomness... so far no happy coincidences amounting to any $$$

that's why I like the jackpot games, ANY syst... [ More ]

Reply #24

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Reply #23

time*treat — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:33:49 GMT

The trend is your friend.

If someone requires a hit ratio of 99% to make a profit, their method could use a bit more refinement.

In my p-5 game, the random variables are all conveniently numbered.

Reply #22

jarasan — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:34:42 GMT

I agree RJ.

Reply #21

RJOh — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:34:41 GMT

I believe 100% of lottery drawings that use ping pong balls are random. However lottery software can show factors that are common to most drawings.

For example, in MegaMillions, 70% of the winning numbers have hit 7-12 times during the previous 100 drawings. Had players used those figures to pick their numbers to play, they would have reduced their number pool from 56 to 32-47 and would have had all five winning numbers in that group 48 of the last 213 times.

Reply #20

justxploring — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:28:39 GMT

You're right. There are people who seem to be luckier than others.

Reply #19

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Reply #18

MillionsWanted — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:02:24 GMT

Agree. There's too many random variables to expect anything more than two or three numbers correct (at best) using a computer. A computer can only pick up trends and find non random factors in the draws, but these draws will almost always be 99% random.

Reply #17

lotterybraker — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:38:37 GMT

A computer program WILL NEVER WORK..I am telling you straight up it will never work..you can not account for all the variables you see and all the ones you cant see..and then there is that little known fact of PRETESTING..HOW can a computer program account for that..it cant?..

Reply #16

spy153 — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:57:46 GMT

you forgot to add lucky as a factor. Some just think they are lucky enough to pull it off.

Reply #15

time*treat — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:16:51 GMT

It would be quite a feat to explain 7,000 (or 70, for that matter) lines of code in a place where heated discussions erupt over whether or not one's chances are improved by a factor of ten when buying 20 tickets vs. buying 2 tickets.

Reply #14

mylollipop — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:22:07 GMT

Wanna and gonna, just don't know when.

Reply #13

RJOh — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:52:33 GMT

Winning a couple of jackpots within a year or two will PROVE to others that your system gives you an edge more than posting it could ever prove. Besides, when you post a system many expect you to support it by answering all their questions about it. If it's a programs then you're probably going to be making changes in it to improve it and you're not going to want to be posting every change as it happens.

Many LP members have posted their systems and none have ever worked for others as well t... [ More ]

Reply #12

Coin Toss — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:30:45 GMT

Well Millions Wanted, your reply certainly answers the question that's the title of this thread!

And can we say no numbers are better than any others until they hit a jackpot

Reply #11

MillionsWanted — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:55:56 GMT

I know my numbers are better than others

Reply #10

ThatScaryChick — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:07:27 GMT

I don't believe I have an huge ego (although, I like to think I will win a jackpot one of these days, so maybe I have a slight ego.) I just think I'm just a regular person whose trying to win a jackpot.

Reply #9

jarasan — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:51:23 GMT

Of course there is lottery ego, as well as the super lottery ego, and the Id. When I hit, my Id gets happy then my ego takes over. We discuss Freud regularly.

Reply #8

Coin Toss — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:09:06 GMT

All the options were clever, I went with the average shmegeggie trying to win.

I will say thought that in any form of gambling, whether it's lotteries, casinos, or illegal bookies, they are just as much in the ego business as the gambling and entertainment business, and are very aware of that.

Reply #7

Guru101 — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:46:33 GMT

On occasion I do play quick picks if it's getting close to the cut off time and I know I don't have the time to go home and get some numbers from my program. Even though I would prefer that my jackpot win come from my system, I'll take it either way really. Even if I win with my system, I know there was still some luck involved, but had I not used my system, I probably wouldn't have won. After all, if you're lucky enough to win the lottery, you're pretty damn lucky considering the fact they're a... [ More ]

Reply #6

MaddMike51 — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:13:31 GMT

If I had a system,which I don't,I wouldn't post it here for others to take advantage of,either.I'm depending on good luck,which I've always seemed to have,to bring home a jackpot.

Reply #5

Guru101 — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:57:01 GMT

In a way, I wish I could just post my whole system on here just to PROVE to people the edge that is possible for you to have when playing the lottery, but at the same time, I don't want all my hard work to go down the drain either. I've put 4 years into my system and it's been a long road and I know there's still more to come. One of these days, I WILL hit the jackpot. When I first started my system, I was just able to come up with methods that only had a small improvement of my odds. Then one n... [ More ]

Reply #4

MaddMike51 — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:48:48 GMT

I never say if I when a jackpot,I say WHEN I win a jackpot!I know its gonna happen,I just don't know when.

Reply #3

Piaceri — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:39:41 GMT

I don't do the numbers thing like everyone else here, and I don't pretend to understand them.

That said, my ex got my ego along with his happiness , his employee-girlfriend-wife, and their illegitimate 4 year old that was born 2 years before he even asked for the divorce. (yes, I am harboring a wee bit of bitterness)

However, I do have the power of positive thinking, as long as I'm not thinking of my ex. I think that is part of my 'lottery personality'.

As a matter of fact an... [ More ]

Reply #2

JonnyBgood07 — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:15:52 GMT

I think of it as a passion.To someone who can safely predict with minimal error they SHOULD have an ego.To schmeggies like myself who've had a monetary glimmers of hope(by this sites standards) from handicapping,I fall into the lottery personality category...hope to upgrade status to egomaniac within a year here from info being passed around!!. lol

Reply #1

Guru101 — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:59:58 GMT

Unfortunately, I think the average lottery player thinks life sucks, then you die . Me on the other hand, well that's another story. No question in my mind, I will win a jackpot.

Is there a "Lottery Ego?"

justxploring — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:46:44 GMT

People here sometimes boast about their systems, others predict winners and brag when they get a couple of numbers and a few seem to be lost in space.

So is there a Lottery personality or ego that separates us from the rest of the world