When the matrix changes...

Reply #30

hypersoniq — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:00:18 GMT

You end up with skewed results by not scrapping the old data... Just look at how many times 54 and 55 were drawn in Powerball the last 314 games of the new matrix...If you keep previous data before they were added, systems wouldn't treat those 2 numbers the same as the rest.

Even if you just count raw frequency using ALL the numbers since the red ball was changed to 1-42, 54 and 55 are barely a blip on the radar, however they are quite hot in the context of the current matrix.

ALL of these... [ More ]

Reply #29

scorpio — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:27:36 GMT

i think quickpicks are good in certain states.my lotto pro only goes up to 134 sets of 5,and that's not using all the white balls

Reply #28

scorpio — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:24:32 GMT

thanks stew,i wonder if one can buy this somewhere,you algebraic genius

Reply #27

Stew12 — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:52:52 GMT

How can one work up all the 5 number (white ball) powerball combinations? For the software developers here it would take only a few minutes to write software that did that.

for (int a=1;a 52;a++){

for(int b=(a+1);b 53;b++){

for(int c=(b+1);c 54;c++){

for(int d=(c+1);d 55;d++){

for(int e=(d+1);e =55;e++){

PRINT a,b,c,d,e

Reply #26

scorpio — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:26:21 GMT

i look at combinations of 5 numbers over the last 10 years.none of my quickpicks have won,so this tells me they're taking numbers from the unhit 5 combinations,and unplayed.how can one work up all the possible combinatios in pb,some say impossible,cuz there are so many,but some of us have nothing else to do.also my state never has had a pb win,so i don't get there qp's anymore

Reply #25

hypersoniq — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:55:34 GMT

I toss out the data but keep the system on ice until I have about 100 draws of the new matrix to work with.

Since FL will join PB and we get yet another matrix (grrrrr) I will be resorting to 1 QP per draw for most of 2009.

When they change the matrix, they ditch the old ballsets and start from scratch (sometimes even new machines to go with it)

I will always have 1 ticket in the PB, whether I pick the numbers or not... I just prefer picking the numbers.

Reply #24

ThatScaryChick — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:33:00 GMT

I agree. I am beginning to think that quick picks are the way to go. I do play some of my own numbers, but I am starting to play quick picks a bit more now.

Reply #23

dvdiva — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:29:19 GMT

Considering how often quickpicks win I wouldn't call them rip offs. They tend to do better for me than my picks although I haven't won anything lately.

Reply #22

Greg — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:46:44 GMT

QuickPicks or QuickRIPS

Reply #21

time*treat — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:03:09 GMT

Like the first few people who replied, I keep some of my old work and refer to it on occasion.

I'm not scared of a difference of opinion on the value of doing that, and it makes a more interesting discussion than 'annuity vs lump sum'.

Reply #20

KY Floyd — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:00:18 GMT

The balls will act exactly the same as they did in the past. The relevant point is that it will be different balls that are acting the same way.

Reply #19

JimmySand9 — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:23:12 GMT

I don't change my system, quick picks adjust to the new matrix automatically.

Reply #18

bobby623 — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:04:15 GMT

I will discard the history - winning numbers and powerball - but not the system I use to generate plays.

Over time, I have determined that working with combinations that came up last year, for example, don't really contribute anything

worthwhile.

I'll start from scratch and build new data sequences which will reflect current trends.

Reply #17

Stew12 — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:11:06 GMT

You have to assume the balls will act differently now that there are more balls in the pool. For instance, say in theory a drawing changed from 10 balls to 70 balls, you wouldn't continue to calculate possible outcomes with only the 10 ball history. Both sets would have to be treated differently, but it completely depends on the change and your methods. Everyone will chose their own adaption methods to this change, and since we haven't seen any systems yet that constantly produce jackpot-winning... [ More ]

Reply #16

KY Floyd — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:41:20 GMT

there are still Millions and millions and millions of combinations thathasnt showed yet that belongs to the very first original matrix of 49numbers.

The new matrix won't have any of those 49 numbers because they draw balls, not numbers. If they aren't using those 49 balls anymore they don't exist in the new game. Any data you continue to use has no more relevance to the new game than the data for games using other balls that aren't used in the new PB game.

Reply #15

lotterybraker — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:06:04 GMT

All the Data you and everyone else has on the present Matrix in Powerball is still good..you cant just toss it out the window because they are changeing the Matrix..let me give you an example on a smaller scale so it can be understood a little better...

Say pic 3 was just 0-7..and you have been collecting data on pic 3 for several years now they want to add 8 and 9 to pic 3..do you just throw away all the other data just because they added 2 new numbers..DO YOU THINK that every combinati... [ More ]

Reply #14

RJOh — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:55:23 GMT

Yes, the A is a utility note in each record that tells my delete routine that this is an active record. When I want to cancel or delete a record I write cancel which puts a C there instead and when I run the delete routine which rewrite the file, it only rewrite records with an A .

Reply #13

time*treat — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:53:21 GMT

Does the A, in front, mean anything

Reply #12

CurtisC — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:27:35 GMT

Right, I see the light. It slipped by that not only is FL joining, but the ballset (matrix) counts and machines change, also.

However at this point in the TP poll, 71.4% have voted no to do/will you throw out your old data/systems.

I suppose majority reponses don't necessarily show that players intend to use old data/systems in sync with the new matrix... they just don't plan on tossing 'em out.

So it blows it wide open. What would be best approach in a new game as such... cross-ref d... [ More ]

Reply #11

KY Floyd — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:54:49 GMT

As FL is added, the increase in players and revision in ballset matrix odds could be factored, somehow/someway.... yes/no?

How? The whole theory behind systems is that analyzing past results will offer insights into future results. There are no past results for a brand new game, which is what you get every time you change the matrix. They don't simply add a few balls to add the new numbers; they use an entirely new ball set, and possibly new machines. If you think the past results of the old... [ More ]

Reply #10

CurtisC — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:14:27 GMT

WHAT?!! #!? $^!#?!

RJOh, are you saying that all the old history is deleted - no longer applicable?!!

Surely, there must be a way a round it.

I know that PB has txt history available now, in unordered format at the PB website. Is it viable to capture existing histories, manually add stragglers, then plug in a algorithm to calc ratio and proportion to data/stats as the new matrix hits the streets?

As FL is added, the increase in players and revision in ballset matrix odds could be fa... [ More ]

Reply #9

RJOh — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:37:31 GMT

.... folks not blessed with programming skills.....

Programming is a learned skill, nobody is blessed or born with it. Commercial programs like Lotto Pro and others will work with any lottery matrix once you enter the new parameters.

Reply #8

CurtisC — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:24:31 GMT

Thx time*treat.

Been following LP posts on the FL addition to PB... The Cause for great consternation within the continuum.

I gather then, people who have designed personal proprietary tracking systems and/or folks not blessed with programming skills, those who rely on commercial system(s) vendors are forced to start over, or invest more $$$ in upgrades?

So when any State joins, decides to quit, or changes are arbitrarily made to the lotto pool in some way, it all goes up in the air, ag... [ More ]

Reply #7

RJOh — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:09:05 GMT

And when those who understand the significance of systemic changes to any particular game/matrix, how do those changes change affect, and/or effect data, stats, and forecasting?

Data, statistics, and forecasting are dependent on history, when a matrix first change there is no history of the new matrix. A new history has to be accumulated.

Reply #6

time*treat — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:55:26 GMT

The matrix is the ballset(2) that makes up a game.

for MM, the current matrix is 5/56 + 1/46

for PB, the current matrix is 5/55 + 1/42

Reply #5

CurtisC — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:51:09 GMT

What is: The Matrix?

I searched and found numerous posts using the term, but didn't find clear definition... also ran a query in Lottery Glossary: a Dictionary of Lotto Terms.

Is Martix a generic term used as general application within the lexicon... or a specific industry Standard Term with rules of use and definition.

What does The Matrix include?

What does The Matrix not include?

And when those who understand the significance of systemic changes to any particular game/matrix,... [ More ]

Reply #4

four4me — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:22:44 GMT

I keep the old data for reference but the new matrix is what you have to work with.

What came before might be useless as the new matrix evolves.

Incorporate any old systems into the new matrix and see what happens.

Reply #3

GASMETERGUY — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:21:17 GMT

During the course of my research , I found, thanks to LP, several ideas I wanted to incorporate. To do so at that time meant going back to day one of the Tennessee P5 game. That I did not wish to do. Too much work.

When Tennessee changed from ball drops to computer rigging, I made the changes and began tracking data anew.

Reply #2

RJOh — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:40:51 GMT

I track all the games I play using the following file format:YR MO DA N7 N1 N2 N3 N4 N5 N6 and accept any numbers 1-60 except for YR MO and DA

My program logic concludes the following when a data file is first opened:

If no N1 or N2 or N3 or N4 of N5 then file is corrupt or doesn't exist, close and await instructions.

If no N6 and N7 then data is for a pick5 game.(Rolling Cash5)

If no N6 only then data is for pick5 plus bonus game.(PB or MM)

If no N7 only then data is for a pick6... [ More ]

Reply #1

Guru101 — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:47:56 GMT

No. The data will need to be changed, but the system is the same. I just have to make the necessary adjustments for the new matrix.

When the matrix changes...

time*treat — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:17:32 GMT

This applies for p5 games, too. How do you 'data trackers' handle the shakeup?

(Or... shakedown, depending on your point of view