POLL: "All or Nothing" game

Reply #23

RJOh — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:17:49 GMT

You're probably right, the odds of matching 1-5 are so much better.

possible combo of 10 with 80 numbers are 1646492110120

MATCH WINNING COMBOS in 20 numbers ODDS

10 184756 1 : 8911711

9 10077600 1 : 163381

8 222966900 1 : 7384

7 2652734400 1 : 621

6 18900732600 1 : 87

5 84675282048 1 : 19

4 242559401700 1 : 7

3 440275888800 1 : 4

2 486137960550 1 : 3

1 295662853200 1 : 6

0 75394027566 1 : 22

Reply #22

Stack47 — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 05:51:26 GMT

When we were talking about Ten-Oh the other day, I decided to use 3 LP quick picks and every time I played those 3 tickets I've had one matching zero. It's like I'm spinning my wheels; betting $3 and getting $3 back, five time in row now.

My guess the streak will last until Tuesday when they increase the payout to $5.

Reply #21

RJOh — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:42:32 GMT

Getting rid of one game doesn't mean the payouts for another game can be increased since the payouts of each game are based on the amount of ticket sales per winners. To increase the payouts for a 5+0 in the Super Lotto game either the matrix would have to be increased or the jackpot would have to be reduced or both.

Reply #20

dvdiva — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:23:46 GMT

It would be an interest prize structure to only offer two ways of winning. Either miss all the balls or hit all the balls. I personally like the idea since I have a variety of theories that always miss every number so I currently win nothing. The optimist will think they can win the prize. The pessimist will think they can easily miss any number associated with the jackpot.

Reply #19

lottocalgal — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:34:11 GMT

I picked Yes but I'm hoping that a small prize will not be a mere $1 (pari-mutuel) it is when you hit just the mega number. I can't count how many times I've gotten 0 numbers so it would benefit me in the long run. In CA there is such a big difference between even getting 5+0 and the jackpot that my losing out on 5+0 win would be okay.

I sometime wish that CA would do away with the Fantasy Five and increase the winnings of 5+0 on the Super Lotto to something around $150-250K. They can affo... [ More ]

Reply #18

RJOh — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:52:35 GMT

It is possible to construct a Keno game where the objective is to not match any of the drawn numbers as such:

KENO

total pool size 30

numbers drawn 20

numbers played 10

MATCH ODDS

10 1 : 163

3 1 : 220

2 1 : 3514

1 1 : 150225

0 1 : 30045015

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overall odds are 1 : 90.9

Reply #17

RJOh — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:10:09 GMT

You have to be lucky to make a profit playing any lottery game but overall odds of 1:9 are great when the minimum payout is $5 on $1 bet. It's almost as good as the Pennsylvania promotion of a free PowerBall ticket that won the PB jackpot last month.

This is the best promotion Ohio has had since its last SuperLotto drawing when the payouts for all the lower tier prizes were increased because no one won the jackpot.

Reply #16

Stack47 — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:34:16 GMT

I don't think anybody can make a profit playing this game twice a day 7 days a week unless they really get lucky and match 9 out of 10 or hit the jackpot. In July there were 88,101 winning tickets that averaged $5 payoff but there were at least 10 $6000 winners so the average win is closer to $2 or $3. Without a $500,000 winner to raise the average win and with an overall 1 in 9 chance of winning, the average player should expect to lose $7 for each $10 they wager.

This twice a week promotion... [ More ]

Reply #15

time*treat — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:41:52 GMT

No mention of payouts or matrix size.

Reply #14

RJOh — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:58:16 GMT

When I added up the winning combos and divided them by the possible combos I got:

181,856,005,870/1,646,492,110,120 = odds of 1:9 of winning a prize of $5 or more on a $1 bet, so I may try playing 10 lines during the promotional period and see what happens. That's better than playing Cash5 with overall odds of 1:8.7 of winning $1 or better on a $1 bet. I hope my calculations are right.

Reply #13

Coin Toss — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:19:49 GMT

My faux pas (typo) on the Illinois 3 for 5, it's $10, not $20.

RJOh, thanks for finding the odds againt not hitting anything.

Reply #12

RJOh — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:32:32 GMT

$5 for matching nothing and odds of 1:22 of doing it is probably as good as it's going to get. The odds of matching 1-4 are 1:3 to 1:7, so one of those are more likely to happen.

MATCH COMBOS OF 10/20of80 = 1646492110120 ODDS

10 184756 1 : 8911711

9 10077600 1 : 163381

8 222966900 1 : 7384

7 2652734400 1 : 621

6 18900732600 1 : 87

5 84675282048 1 : 19

0 75394027566 1 : 22

4 242559401700 1 : 7

3 440275888800 1 : 4

2 486137960550 1 : 3

1 295662853200 1 : 6... [ More ]

Reply #11

Stack47 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:52:35 GMT

The Ohio Lottery will be running a promotion on the Ten-Oh game in September and matching zero numbers will pay $5 and the payoff for matching 10 numbers has been raised to $750,000 every Tuesday and Friday. I believe there has only been 3 tickets matching 10 numbers in the 773 drawings and it looks like matching 9 out of 10 only happens about once a week.

MATCH

WIN

INCREASE AMT.

NEW PRIZE VALUE

10/10

$500,000

$250,000

$750,000

9/10

$6,000

$3... [ More ]

Reply #10

RJOh — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:47:48 GMT

Using the Illinois Pick 5 game (Little Lotto, 5/39) 0 hits pays nothing, 2 hits pays $1, 3 hits $20, and 4 hits $100, 5 for 5 is a progressive jackpot starting at $100,000.

In Ohio Cash5(5/9), 2 hits pays $1, 3 hits pays $10, 4 hits pays $300 and hitting 5 of 5 pays a progressive jackpot that starts at $100,000, so the two games are very similar.

I assume any game worth playing will cost $1 per play and any payout worth paying would be at lease $1. Since states have lotteries to raise fun... [ More ]

Reply #9

justxploring — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:32:23 GMT

....hitting no numbers would be a small prize....

Okay - I just read this again. Answer is maybe. There are many times I get no numbers at all. How small

Reply #8

Coin Toss — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:16:40 GMT

It's the same principle as people being drawn to lo-ball poker - I never get good cards, I'll play! (but then they go into a pot with a pair of Kings or such).

Using the Illinois Pick 5 game (Little Lotto, 5/39) 0 hits pays nothing, 2 hits pays $1, 3 hits $20, and 4 hits $100, 5 for 5 is a progressive jackpot starting at $100,000.

The game had been a 5/30 game with a set top prize and para-mutuel payouts for 3 and 4 numbers. But people hitting 2 numbers wanted to get paid something for it.... [ More ]

Reply #7

RJOh — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:57:00 GMT

In a 5/39 game 52% of the possible combinations will have at less one of the winning numbers. When a 5/39 game pays for a match2 or better they only have to payout on 12% of the tickets, why would they want to change it to 48%? If they paid $1 to everyone who matched nothing and kept half of the sales for their profit, that would only leave a few dollars for the jackpot.

Who's going play a game that pays nothing for matching any of the winning numbers if you don't match then all and only a f... [ More ]

Reply #6

ThatScaryChick — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:40:54 GMT

I also agree with Pac. I wouldn't want to play a game where the chance to win at least a little something was taken away. I know that you said that you might get something for getting no numbers, but it doesn't sound like a game I would like to play. At least with real money.

Reply #5

justxploring — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:35:50 GMT

I agree with Pac on this one. I never won as much as $720 (that was a rolldown) but I've won over $100 a few times this year playing Florida's Fantasy5. I've also gotten 4 of 6 playing Lotto which was $78. Even the Free Plays are nice to get (2 of 5) and I won a few of those last week.

Reply #4

savagegoose — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:33:45 GMT

our local casino had its own keno game. it had 2 odds tables and you could chose which one to play at the time of purchase. i think this woud be an ideal solution to this, for poeple who want the large payout for taking only the highest odds, and for people who want the smaller but more regular payouts.

maybe there could be a choice, go all or nothing or play regular. decide at time of purchase.

Reply #3

pacattack05 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:14:48 GMT

NO, it's the lower tier prizes that keep me hanging on. I wouldn't have won $720.00 a couple of weeks ago in the Fntasy Five, if that were the case.

In some cases with some people, the lower prizes pay for the next round of purchases, so the lottery is essentially helping with the expenses until they hit the big one.

Reply #2

savagegoose — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:44:01 GMT

yeah as long as the payout was nicely incresed,

Reply #1

DoctorEw220 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:15:03 GMT

That looks like a pretty good idea actually.

POLL: "All or Nothing" game

Coin Toss — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:07:12 GMT

Would you play an all or nothing game?

It would be a Pick 5 or a Pick 6, hitting all the numbers would be a regular jackpot, hitting no numbers would be a small prize, but nothing else counts. i.e., hitting a, 2, 3, or 4 of 5, or 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 of 6 doesn't pay.