Pre-test draw results, Do we Have the right to know what they were?

Reply #20

bigato1010 — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:22:13 GMT

Pretest should be public. What are they trying to hide . Lack of intergrity

Reply #19

guesser — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:19:55 GMT

I tried telling you why, but you wouldn't listen to me........

And, they are not 'secret'.

Reply #18

guesser — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:18:15 GMT

Powerball DOES publish their pre- and post-game tests.

Here's the problem: when the next drawing takes place, they switch ball sets and ball machines, I have seen a number hit 4 times in the previous drawings' pre- and post-test games, but for the next drawing, that number does not show up at all.

And as far as a number such as '8 being overdue', what defines 'overdue' ?

I see 'overdue' numbers all over the place, but the problem is, let's say you have six 'overdue' numbers to choose fr... [ More ]

Reply #17

RJOh — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:06:13 GMT

I think pretest results should be public, but most states probably figure publishing a daily report of them is just extra work that doesn't improve their bottom line. Some states are even changing to computers simulated drawings claiming live drawings are too expensive.

I record the official drawings of the games I play, but even if the pretest results were a available I wouldn't record them because I only check my tickets with that drawings that count and they are a good sampling of the rand... [ More ]

Reply #16

ThatScaryChick — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:04:31 GMT

I have no use for the pre-test drawings for my picks, but why should they be kept secret

Reply #15

pacattack05 — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:15:54 GMT

As far as 'feeling bad for them', or helping them 'make more money': the option is there for you NOT to play, it's your choice if you choose to donate to the pot or not.

Why should I settle for less or not play at all because you think they are the only options?

The third option is to complain about it. And I chose complaining. Afterall, I do have the right. It might not solve the problem, but atleast i get some satisfaction knowing there ain't nothin' I can do but to complain and get it o... [ More ]

Reply #14

Guru101 — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:42:25 GMT

I think pretest results should be public.

Reply #13

time*treat — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:58:16 GMT

For the purposes of transparency, I'd say yes.

Whether or not it makes a difference in the actual official draw, I think is like the creation vs evolution argument. Most people don't really care, and those few who do have already made up their minds.

Anyone refusing to play until the pre-test info is made public

Reply #12

Stack47 — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:40:48 GMT

All live ball drawing lotteries probably test the machine mechanics to make sure the balls are being mixed, there is no blockage in the tube, and the valves are working properly. Ohio's live drawing begins showing three sets of 10 numbered balls in three different containers for Pick-3 and four sets balls for the Pick-4 being mixed. The host will say hello, announces the Pick-3 drawing, all three values are opened at the same time, the camera pans in on the balls, and the host announces the draw... [ More ]

Reply #11

MysteryMan424 — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:48:17 GMT

As far as New York is concerned, I think publicizing the pre test data would be a bad idea, because it would add more smart money into the pool. As it is now They overbet triples on a daily basis selling them out,and access to pre test data would probably enable them to play heavily on likely six way or double combos, which would mean the 125 , 249, 257, 006, 115, 424, would be selling out on a regular basis, and hampering my ability to cash.

Reply #10

guesser — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:26:44 GMT

Some lotteries publish theirs, and it is useful information, but NOT in terms of actual 'number selection'.

So far, I don't think this info has helped anyone WIN the jackpot.

As far as 'feeling bad for them', or helping them 'make more money': the option is there for you NOT to play, it's your choice if you choose to donate to the pot or not.

Reply #9

four4me — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:08:18 GMT

Pac you've made it perfectly clear what you think you need for tracking purposed then i suggest you contact the lottery and ask for that information to be forwarded to you. You might also ask if they would place that info. on their web site for all to view.

Click this link and on the front page about halfway down click on the television and they have a Lil video about what goes on before a drawing takes place.

http://www.msla.state.md.us/

I have Md lotto's complete numbers file ab... [ More ]

Reply #8

CurtisC — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:04:20 GMT

Thang I like about ponies, NASCAR, and scooter flat-trackin is the time trials and qualifier runs - everyone gets a fair and open look at wheels and hooves on the track. The information may or may not help betting action on the current race, but sure gives the serious player a view over time which may influence the way bets go down on the next race or two. How would it be if the gods decided to keep the public away from workouts, pits, and trials?

It s about rhythm and tone. Machine dysfu... [ More ]

Reply #7

pacattack05 — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:44:14 GMT

Tracking history definitions is debatable. That's your take on what the ideal tracking info may be. Mine includes the In betweens .

As far as when I got the pretests, well, I don't care, as long as I have them after the drawing and prepare my findings for the next draw.

Reply #6

pacattack05 — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:59:45 GMT

I think KYfloyd is a pre programmed robot or something. Atleast he writes as if he is...lol

They'll never reveal the pretests because they know the flow of the game will be more noticable. Oh well. It's not like they're making enough money already. I feel so bad for them, they need to make more money.

God forbid they give the people a fighting chance to keep statistics.

N.Y. used to publish the pretests, the new positions of the tubes, and the rotation of the sets of tubes, but stopped.... [ More ]

Reply #5

bobby623 — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:19:58 GMT

I can't give you the links, but I've read numerous posts regarding pretests.

It seems states will provide the pretest information when someone asks for it. The important thing is for the requestor to be specific. General requests don't provide any satisfaction. The lottery doesn't get involved in guesswork. If a requestor can't specify want he wants, then the lottery probably won't take the time to do the research.

Years ago, Texas published the pretests for all games. I was on the mailing... [ More ]

Reply #4

MADDOG10 — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:51:46 GMT

Wrong, wrong, wrong......

Every state has their own set of rules and regs, and everyone does have the right to know what test results are ! If you ask for the results from your state and they don't respond pursue it diplomatically with your state represenative. The law that pertains to this is called The Sunshine Law , which in perspective is the right to know publically . The state lotteries are not above the laws. Period...!

So mr. kyfloyd, or lottery guru of anyalisis, you need to take... [ More ]

Reply #3

Todd — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:46:14 GMT

Some people may disagree, but I think all lotteries should publish their predraw data, even if it is published after the official drawing.

The reason is that predraws are conducted in order to determine that the machines are properly drawing random numbered balls from the machine, or in the case of a computerized drawing, that the random number generator's patterns are not too predictable. (That last part was a little tongue-in-cheek, although technically it is accurate for many state RNGs.... [ More ]

Reply #2

KY Floyd — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:51:30 GMT

You have no right at all to know what the test results are. If they offer to sell you a ticket you have the right to know the rules and the official result.

Reply #1

four4me — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:37:34 GMT

Tracking history is for all intensive purposes is the actual numbers they drew. Not the pre draws.

If states were to post the pre draws at what time would you like to see the results. If they are doing the pre draws an hour before the drawing and up to the last few minutes be for the drawing how is knowing the results going to help you determine the outcome of a random drawing. In time enough for you to figure out what digits to play.

They don't use the same balls for every drawing.

Whe... [ More ]

Pre-test draw results, Do we Have the right to know what they were?

Brett — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:35:01 GMT

I know that Texas is courteous enough to list on their website the pre-test results ( the pre-game test draws they run privately to make sure they are working properly), but no other states do this. Don't we have the right as players to know what the pre-game test results were each day? I mean they give us the past winning numbers but they don't tell us the pre-game off camera test results, which are Just as important for us systems players who like to keep track. If you don't know what the test... [ More ]