Here Is The Proof Your Lottery, Mega Millions and Powerball is Cheating You

Reply #129

Stew12 — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:28:37 GMT

It is definitely true that no mathmatition is able to solve random, because it in itself is not solvable. That is why the lottery continues to make money. What everyone is trying to do here on the site is use statistics and statistical theory the gain an edge (or at least FEEL like we gain an edge) on the system. Personally, it's a hobby for me. I'd rather say my system generated the winning numbers than say I had bought a QP :) And although the drawings are random, it's obvious how certain peop... [ More ]

Reply #128

x1kosmic — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:45:40 GMT

kosmic's turn

First... Thanks Think-Tank for the detailed explanation,

Second... I'm not like that, and can admit to a mistake, I was just pointing out that Powerball, wasn't so secretive.

Next.... If Lotterybreaker has pretty good knowledge of random number feilds.... hey thats cool.

so I wasn't trying to be such a downer on the thread. so..... sorry if you thought I was an attacker.

Lastly..... I do, do something with the Test numbers, when getting my Play ready

To... [ More ]

Reply #127

lotterybraker — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:24:27 GMT

Stew..thats cool..we can agree to disagree..now..let me offer you another opinion I have on Math..hahaha and we can agree to disagree on that to..Math will never solve Random..Math has to have a constant somewhere to balance an equation..something has to =something like A=LW..E=MC2..now based on what I do know about Math which I will admit isnt much..but my conclusion is Math is looking to balance..they need some exact figures to plug into an equation to balance it or find the answer..

Nothin... [ More ]

Reply #126

Mega-ThinkTank — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:10:27 GMT

Now who said anything about my internet ego ? Obviously, it's your internet ego you trying to stroke around here. If you can see lotterybreaker's point and agree to disagree, then your argument with me is moot.

Move on, fella.

Reply #125

Stew12 — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:02:58 GMT

LB: ..it still has to show..

I see your idea braker, but I think we'll just have to 'agree to disagree' on this topic.

Mega: I think members are aware of constructive criticisms that meant to be sincered and those meant to make sport of an issue.

Simply because my posts in this thread do not boost your internet ego doesn't mean that they are not constructive on the mathematical and logical side of whether or not the lotteries are cheating the players.

Reply #124

Mega-ThinkTank — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:46:51 GMT

I think members are aware of constructive criticisms that meant to be sincered and those meant to make sport of an issue.

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As far as your other question (addressed at me), I do not calculate pretest drawings in my method because the numbers are dead numbers anyway. However, I understand the point Lotterybreaker makes and it also turned a lighbulb on in my head. I will be incorporating new ideas in light of Lotterybreaker's argument here.

Another thing, it's no... [ More ]

Reply #123

lotterybraker — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:33:21 GMT

Cher..if Tenn pretest their draws and will not give the residents of Tenn access to them there is not much you can do about it..all you can do is run the paying draws that are on their website..but you have no idea what was missing that you found if it showed in one of them draws they took out..it still has to come back..but they can change the position of what you are looking for..and change other digits also..depending on what sequence you are trying to complete...

Reply #122

cher19622 — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:19:42 GMT

Start with Tennessee Please do something someone..........

Reply #121

lotterybraker — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:13:55 GMT

Stew..look at this way..see RANDOM DOES NOT HAVE A MEMORY..it does not say well this combination is a test and this one is to pay people..as soon as they turn the machine on and take out a combination..it has to count because RANDOM MAKES IT COUNT..the machine was on..they produced a combination from the same Field..1-39 pic 5 game..a combianation was produced from that field..the same field that all other combinations came from test or not..see..there is no difference..the number 20 in a paying... [ More ]

Reply #120

Stew12 — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:48:48 GMT

All they do is criticize and spew random B.S. to thwart any legitimate argument you make

Most often criticism is constructive. When all view points are heard, it makes the thread that much more informative and productive.

Reply #119

Stew12 — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:46:17 GMT

without them taking out all them combinations and call them test draws

No combinations are 'taken out' when a test draw happens, all balls are returned to the chamber and they have an equally likely chance to come up in the next sequential draw.

Reply #118

lotterybraker — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:17:26 GMT

You find what is missing by using the paying draws..you can even use the ones listed here at lp or by going to PB'S website..randoms fields is just a fancy term for what I have been PREACHING FOR YEARS..complete the sequence..in this case its a doubles sequence..just write down all the doubles ..you can start your run at any point in time..when you leave one off or if you prefer the furtherest one out..start looking for the one missing in the predraws..NOW THAT IS cheating the sequence Because 1... [ More ]

Reply #117

Stew12 — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:11:48 GMT

LotteryBraker Mega-Think, do you two include all of the pre-test draws (except the ones immediately preceding the current drawing) in your calculations? If you were to argue that pre-test draws have an effect on the randomness of the official outcome, I would assume you use all of the pre-test draws available to you in your calculations.

if we start our next random field run from those Double 9's on October 12008..you will see that now double 4's are missing..

If you are using pre-test dra... [ More ]

Reply #116

lotterybraker — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:30:00 GMT

Now like I was saying about Powerball..remember when the double 9's were missing then they showed in the pretest draws..then I said they had to come back to the paying draws and they did..now look here..if we start our next random field run from those Double 9's on October 12008..you will see that now double 4's are missing..

Wed, Oct 1, 2008 08-09-39-43-55, Powerball: 26, Power Play: 2

Sat, Sep 27, 2008 13-24-29-40-52, Powerball: 29, Power Play: 4

Wed, Sep 24, 2008 05-13-21-3... [ More ]

Reply #115

time*treat — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:40:37 GMT

Some people use weekly bar charts, other use 5-minute tick charts. Either can be profitable, but you've still got to pick the right stock and trade at the right time.

There's nothing wrong with including the test drawings if someone thinks that gives them an edge. As people have used all sorts of methods to pick numbers that went on to win a jackpot, I think it's unlikely that anyone is going to toss out their pet theory - until another one proves much more successful.

Seeing a number you... [ More ]

Reply #114

ICNUMBERS — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:14:05 GMT

Reply #113

Mega-ThinkTank — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:48:52 GMT

See people.... what Lotterybreaker dealing with here is the same crap I dealt with when I share information on here. It's certain posters thinking they earned the clout to open their mouths, as if they're experts. All they do is criticize and spew random B.S. to thwart any legitimate argument you make.

I mean think about it, Lotterybreaker has invested extensive time in his studies on how the lottery numbers move. How can anyone denied him that? It seems there's reasons to believe, those that... [ More ]

Reply #112

x1kosmic — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:51:44 GMT

I got 8 and 9 together last wed. twice,

As far as the thread goes..... you might have to take PB out of it because the publisize their numbers,

And I think, you can put in a request to witness a drawing.

Reply #111

pacattack05 — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:14:57 GMT

Even though I know they're cheating, I'll bet anyone 700 billion bucks says no one can ever prove it.

I'm talking about the lottery.

Reply #110

guesser — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:20:29 GMT

I could not have said it better myself.

Reply #109

guesser — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:19:33 GMT

Ok, how about if we all put our numbers up against the post-game test drawing from Powerball on 10/4/08 ?

Or the very first test game from 10/4 ?

Here they are: did anyone hit them ?

10/04/08 41 48 55 14 23 7 28 39 5 6 12 Pre-test

10/04/08 19 47 10 40 35 7 28 41 2 6 12 Pre-test

10/04/08 09 34 39 49 38 7 28 13 4 6 12 Pre-test

10/04/08 39 12 13 44 19 7 28 23 5 6 12 Pre-test

10/04/08 39 04 32 01 26 7 28 18 5 6 12 Draw-PA

10/04/08 21 20 50 14 24 7 28 18 2 6 12 Post-test

Reply #108

rcbbuckeye — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:48:52 GMT

Well, this has been a looooooong and interesting thread. The one thing that keeps popping into my head is that I see all kinds of methods and systems or whatever posted here and elsewhere and I think it's safe to say no one (that we know of except for the guy that popped in out of the blue a few months back) has won a jackpot. The odds are so astronomical that I just can't see any reason why lotteries would want or even need to cheat. I have been watching RJ's posts about his method of picking n... [ More ]

Reply #107

RJOh — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:24:01 GMT

For all the folks that say it's fixed, please DO post on the predictions forums, and be sure to point out exactly what is fixed so we can be guaranteed of a number, and if six of you guarantee a number, we should have hundreds of winning tickets sold...

I believe it's those folks who are claiming it's impossible to predict the outcomes of lotteries because they are fixed. Their number/combinations seldom win anything because of that. It's the pretest drawings that are interfering with the nat... [ More ]

Reply #106

guesser — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:31:47 GMT

Even at that, in order to 'fix' the lottery, you need to 'fix' ALL of the numbers/balls.

I track PB very thoroughly, I have seen a number hit in 4 test games in one evening, but it's rare, and I have seen a number have NO test game hits at all for 8-10 games, and then it hits, but it's random. Some hit A TON in the week or two prior to be hit, but more often than not they don't - BUT - you still have to remember this is just ONE NUMBER.

If I could GUARANTEE YOU a particular number would hi... [ More ]

Reply #105

RJOh — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:12:42 GMT

One has to assume over due numbers in the official drawings are not over due in the test drawings as well because if a number never showed up in any of the drawings the lottery would investigate. After all, that is one of the reasons they do test drawings. Predictors have to assume every number can hit in any drawings and that is what the lotteries guarantee.

Reply #104

Stew12 — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:20:12 GMT

It seems to me no matter what the lottery does to get drawings out people are going to complain that they are cheating us.

Yup. If we can't win, they must be cheating

Reply #103

four4me — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:06:38 GMT

Thats right ball sets can be a key to their ability to control an outcome. But as stated by many lottery's they are randomly selected also.

The ball sets are weighed in accordance with procedures and a planned schedule. The Independent Accounting Firm observes and certifies the internal weighing of ball sets. Each ball must meet very strict weight guidelines: The weight of each Ping Pong style ball must fall within +/- 0.095 grams of the average weight of the ball set. The weight of each... [ More ]

Reply #102

Stew12 — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:45:33 GMT

One would think since each tube is identical (within specifications) moving them would prove to have no advantage for the randomness of the lottery. It seems to be the ball sets they are more concerned about, and rightfully so.

Reply #101

four4me — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:42:46 GMT

For all people wanting to know more about lottery machines here is the company in Maryland that make some of the machines used in the industry.

Garron lottery products.

http://www.garronlottery.com/index.html

Texas lottery uses Garron products exclusively in all their ball drawings.

http://www.txlottery.org/export/sites/default/Games/drawing_procedures.html

No where on the Texas lottery web site did they say they moved the tubes to different locations in fact i... [ More ]

Reply #100

Newb — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:29:55 GMT

Interesting post lotterybraker and it makes sense to those of that rely on past draws. How can you make a reasonable prediction if 3/4 of the data is missing

Reply #99

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Reply #98

four4me — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:00:39 GMT

Floyd the tubes are extruded probably in ten or twelve foot lengths and cut to size on a CNC lathe.

To whom it may concern i know quite a lot about the materials they use to build these machines i am a machinist i have worked for a few company's that buy materials from them. I know these tubes are extruded and while they might have microscopic differences they are nevertheless exact in size and shape to the specified allowable tolerances. (To fit the balls.) I have been to the company th... [ More ]

Reply #97

KY Floyd — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:51:08 GMT

Two tubes with identical specs will still be different, even if only microscopically. At least in theory, the different tube could cause a different result even if every one of the thousands of other variables were exactly the same. A minor difference in friction, shape, or whatever could result in one ball or all of them having a slightly different speed or trajectory.

All of those variables acting together is what makes the drawings so thoroughly random, and that's why it's ridiculous for a... [ More ]

Reply #96

pacattack05 — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:16:07 GMT

I just got done explaining how the tube could affect the drawing. You're talking about the correct size and specs of the equipment. That is not what I'm saying. It's the different positions the tubes are rotated to, and pretests done to them that is the key factor. And NOT telling us what the pretest results and new positions are.

Reply #95

four4me — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:53:31 GMT

I don't know how any tube could affect the drawing. Each tube is the same length, diameter and thickness. The inside diameter is within specified dimensions.

Each ball is dimensionally correct to within the specifications designed for them. Roundness thickness, weight and overall width.

Reply #94

pacattack05 — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:41:40 GMT

I forgot to mention what else could also happen. That overdue tube which is now in a different position will have pretests done to it, which means that overdue number could have come out in the pretest and will not show at all for even a longer period of time in any new position, which I've seen many times also.

Reply #93

pacattack05 — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:29:50 GMT

It does have an affect on randomness, but not in the way most people see it. Even randomness has an ebb and flow, and if you can spot these trends and patterns you may have a better prediction rate. However, when you take away certain parts of that pattern and throw in varibles( pretests and tube rotations) in it's place, which will never be revealed to the public, the predictablity success rate is lowered.

The simplest example is an overdue number in the pick-3 game. If number 3 was overdue... [ More ]

Reply #92

Stew12 — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:51:29 GMT

I understand what you're saying about the pre tests messing up natural random, but how can you prove that the pre tests mess up natural random in the first place?

It is mathematically impossible to prove.

Reply #91

kwint — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:56:25 GMT

I don't know if this has been mentioned before but...

I understand what you're saying about the pre tests messing up natural random, but how can you prove that the pre tests mess up natural random in the first place?

I read something earlier about you starting a lawsuit...is that true

Reply #90

Stack47 — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:01:42 GMT

It's been said 70% tickets sold are random QPs and each state lottery know the actually statistic. Many people buy QPs just for the chance of winning the jackpot and most don't care which combinations they get as long as they have a fair chance of winning. The argument here is the tests conducted to ensure a random drawing have an affect on the random official drawings.

PROOF NUMBER ONE...the fact that your Lottery doesnt even mention on their WEBSITE that they PRETEST THE DRAWS is Misleadin... [ More ]

Reply #89

KY Floyd — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:56:24 GMT

You apparently don't even know what random is, and you don't even know that you couldn't get your own screen name right. How can you expect to be taken seriously about math by anyone who isn't clueless

Reply #88

zero — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:14:38 GMT

People in high places do thing's like that takeing our money the truth will tell it all. and what a system you think.

Reply #87

ICNUMBERS — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:02:25 GMT

Lotterybraker I do believe that we have an lottery official on our hands. Just 2 much optimism. 1 could know all there is 2 know about the lotto but it has nothing 2 do with an intity that is more powerful than you. Keep doing what u do because many of us support u and r very gracious.

Expose the demon and it will go away. If not it can give so many blind people eyes 2 C.

Reply #86

lotterybraker — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:00:53 GMT

well its simple..you are sharing your opinion..oh ok..well good luck with that then

Reply #85

Stew12 — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:55:35 GMT

My post above is simply my opinion. This thread is your opinion, and I have posted my opinion on your opinion. Welcome to the internet.

Stew12...let me tell you something..before you open you mouth and spouting sh%t that you dont know what you are talking about..you should FIRST LEARN ABOUT what you are talking about ok..

Feel free to show me where I went wrong. Posting spouting sh%t that you don't know what your talking about is very vague.

because I have been here a few years and not... [ More ]

Reply #84

lotterybraker — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:40:11 GMT

Stew12...let me tell you something..before you open you mouth and spouting sh%t that you dont know what you are talking about..you should FIRST LEARN ABOUT what you are talking about ok..

because I have been here a few years and not even once have I seen you post any INFORMATIVE INFORMATION about any subject ok..

and oh yeah..I knew more than your ass before I joined this site about RANDOM AND NUMERICAL FIELDS..I have known more about random and numerical Fields while I have been... [ More ]

Reply #83

Stew12 — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:58:48 GMT

heh, if you have a Library card, you can go to the public Library and check out a 1st grade or 2nd grade Math Book that will help you get started on working with groups of things..

A first grade math book has much more depth than what you are working with here. Simply taking 2 balls labeled with different numbers and observing when they show up together in a random sequence has absolutely nothing to do with mathematics. The only thing close to mathematics about these ideas is the fact that wi... [ More ]

Reply #82

Wintariofan — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:23:17 GMT

Here in Ontario they have a set of practice balls. A set of lottery balls, that were once in service that are not allowed to be used any longer. If a rehearsal or test needs to be done on a game or the machinery, no one can argue about results as the balls used are fakes. OLG has not done tests draws in a long time. Before the travelling lottery show Wintario went on air live each evening, earlier in the afternoon at rehearsal a set of beat up practice balls was used for the rehearsal. For Winta... [ More ]

Reply #81

lotterybraker — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:03:02 GMT

now like I was saying about Powerball had to bring back double 9's to the paying draws...

Here was the test draw on September 20

now if you go to powerballs website and pull up their SO CALLED TEST DRAWS..you will find on SEPTEMBER,20,2008 PRETEST DRAW

37-29-41-38-09

now tonights winning number is..

08-09-39-43-55, Powerball: 26 for Oct 1, 2008

we got the 9 back..everything else has changed..this is EXACTLY what I have been trying to explain..and maybe I did a poor jo... [ More ]

Reply #80

lotterybraker — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:34:25 GMT

And again..I just want to apologise to everyone if I sounded like I was being a smarta$$ knowitall..I dont know everything for sure..I am trying to find everything because just like you when I get a chance to play if I am visiting another State I would like to have the best chance I can get to win..

Doesnt mean I will win..everything on this thread I have researched Numerous of times..and this information is correct..if you find something missing in those paying draws..they want it to sh... [ More ]

Reply #79

lotterybraker — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:19:47 GMT

THAT IS EXACTLY what happens Diamondpalace..if you try and complete any numerical sequence whatsoever in any LOTTERY GAME..if they go in there and turn the machine on and take out draws that you dont get to see FOR SURE..then you have no IDEA IN THIS world that what you were looking for has aready shown..and that is what it is designed for..and it works very well!!!!

THIS IS IMPORTANT also..it still has to come back to the paying draws..but just think for a second..a digit is no big deal... [ More ]

Reply #78

lotterybraker — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:37:16 GMT

Fja..do you know anything about numbers..anything at all..and I am not trying to be mean here..do you know how to find anything missing..pairs..digits..doubles..those same ones locked to a certain position..because if you dont know how to do that then I dont know what to tell you..because this is the way it works..

you can START ANYTIME IN POWERBALLS HISTORY..ANYTIME...ANYTIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ANYTIME.........ANYTIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...OK..DO YOU UNDERSTAND..ANYTIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE... [ More ]

Reply #77

diamondpalace — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:22:39 GMT

I have to say that I rely on the past results for new ones. If the past results do not link together in sequence and was taken out partial aspect of a chain, then it will put me at greater risk for prediction. I lost quite a few times having no hits at all and lost all my money, perhaps it was because I did not have all the needed data to construct the next outcome. Hehe

Reply #76

fja — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:40:44 GMT

So was that the first or the last pretest draw on Sept. 20thh, and by the way what happened to the pretest draws of Sept 17 th not to mention the actual draw?

How many draws happen before you pulled that set of numbers.....sorry I don't have a libary card and this is way over my head like most of us here

Did you really have to go through that many drawings to find a pretest that explained your theory of powerball cheating?

Why don't you pretend i'm a second grader and explain it to me... [ More ]

Reply #75

lotterybraker — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:36:39 GMT

I wanted to give you all another PERFECT EXAMPLE of what is going on..you can forget all those other people who PRETEND they know what they are talking about and they dont..let me show you a powerball example..

Lets run something in Powerball that is a little more difficult..a double..any 2 same digits running together that WILL GIVE YOU 2 of the 5 white balls..now if we write out 0-9 on a piece of paper and mark off all the doubles that are present except the last one..we will find out

Reply #74

acrid544 — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:49:03 GMT

Hi, lotterybraker I am Fairley new to the lottery post,and I read your article its very alarming to know that a company can get away with a scam like that,and for the most part go unnoticed to the public.Having all the players thinking it is a random drawing and instead a scam.Therefore, someone has to be getting paid under the table in order for this scam to continue.I realize that on this post alone there is excellent people who do fairly well predictions,but not one of those predictions have

Reply #73

lorramil — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:33:46 GMT

You made my head spin and I like numbers. I believe you. You have the same conviction as I when I tried to tell people, even in Lottoland, the NJL was not accurately reporting the number of tickets sold in a given game when the ticket disclosure specifically indicated ticket prints and reprints must be in exact ratios of so many prizes in so many tickets. Some may have gone the way of the gravy pot.

IF THE DATA DOESN'T FIT, MANIPULATE THE DATA.

THE MEASURE OF THE LOTTERY'S TRUE CHARACTER... [ More ]

Reply #72

Stack47 — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:05:44 GMT

We can show on paper why it's unlikely the same three digits will repeat in the same order in consecutive drawings, but how can we prove the lotteries are preventing it from happening when the tests are being conducted to ensure it could happen?

I believe the argument here is that system players believe they are at a disadvantage because of the pick-3 test drawings and they are ignoring the real disadvantage that is the 50% payoff percentage. Scratch-off tickets had a 67.4% payoff percentage... [ More ]

Reply #71

RJOh — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:42:28 GMT

I guess we're all suppose to email or call our state representatives and tell them the lottery is cheating us because they are holding random drawings.

First, you have to be convinced that the argument makes sense. If you are convinced, I doubt if any retailer is going to allow you to post signs on his property stating your opinion. I also doubt you're will convince anyone associated with a lottery that testing and checking the equipment before an official live drawing determines the winning... [ More ]

Reply #70

Stack47 — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:16:13 GMT

I don't wager on the next combination drawn, I wager on the next official combination drawn just like everyone else. But we've mentioned that in a few times this thread already.

It's also been mentioned that under state lottery rules the equipment and mechanisms will be periodically tested to ensure a random drawing but it hasn't stopped changes of tampering either.

From the Texas site: A pre-test is an unofficial drawing that tests the machine and the ball set used for the day and night... [ More ]

Reply #69

Stew12 — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:47:56 GMT

I don't wager on the next combination drawn, I wager on the next official combination drawn just like everyone else. But we've mentioned that in a few times this thread already.

Since 70% of the population purchase quick picks, it won't matter one bit to them unless you could prove the pre-test draws consistently would have produced more winners. However, with a random draw like the lottery you will undoubtedly find an equal amount of winners with the pre-test draws as you would with the offi... [ More ]

Reply #68

lotterybraker — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:24:22 GMT

Everyone should print up some signs and put them up where you buy your lottery tickets.,,Make sure it says..

WHEN YOU BUY YOUR TICKETS, YOUR LOTTERY conducts secret draws and takes out the next combination you are betting on!!!!!!!..That should get the ball rolling!!!

and oh yeah..if they were not taking out the next combination that would be the one you wagered on duh

Reply #67

MysteryMan424 — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:44:44 GMT

If anyone's been paying attention the democrats are exposing the republicans failed idealogy and nothing seems to change. What makes you think shedding light on this pretest thing will matter?. People just don't care. Besides the pretests don't matter since we're betting on a coincidencal outcome anyway. The only thing that matters is the ACTUAL result since any wager placed is based on that.

Reply #66

awwcrap — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:40:12 GMT

Whew, Very hot topic

Reply #65

Instyle — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:25:23 GMT

That you so much for this info. I may not be the smartest person, but what i gathered from your info is this:

a lot of lottery players use skip/hit, hot, cold, neutral, whatever to choose the numbers to play and after a while you notice a pattern but still missing by one number in my case (pick 3) It s possible that the numbers we thought should fall, fell in the pretest and the ballset or whatever they are called was discarded. That makes sense to me and I will contact my state lottery to as... [ More ]

Reply #64

lotterybraker — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:55:26 GMT

Thanks Mega think Tank..but I dont really worry to much about what some on here say or try to say about this information I posted..I know this Information that I posted is ABSOLUTELY 100% correct..I thought anout it for quite sometime on how I could help the public with the information even before I made the video and contacted the FBI..,,because I was told straight up..:The States Deserve Whatever They Get ..so T decided to post that information on LP..and I know it is absolutely 100 % correct

Reply #63

Mega-ThinkTank — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:22:47 GMT

After a long exile from LotteryPost, I decided to come out of silence and comment on LotteryBreaker's brilliant report. This is some fine piece of work, dude. I applaud you for writing this piece. Though I got lost in some of the things you were trying to explain, I'm quite aware of the tampering by the Lottery officials you're bringing to light, here.

It's not so much what you said that's true, it's the following comments by other posters that sound off red flags all over this site. Indeed,... [ More ]

Reply #62

pacattack05 — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:30:12 GMT

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread.aspx?tp=161136 q=koycerin+method rp=search get=882721

Reply #61

pacattack05 — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:40:24 GMT

The Koycerin method....Makes sense !

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The following is an excerpt of the Koycerin wagering method.

Upon the first presentation of my discovery which we will refer to as Random Number Displacement or RND, for brevity, the old belief, which is still the accepted rule of random numbers by most students, was suppose to show that regardless of what happened in the past (results), it would have no bearing on the future. In other word... [ More ]

Reply #60

bigato1010 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:11:37 GMT

Knowledge = learning new exeprience for your computer head and making adjustment .Thank you for your time lottorybraker.

Reply #59

bigato1010 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:03:39 GMT

Reply #58

four4me — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:36:36 GMT

There are people in this thread that have compared tossing a coin and having it land on heads thirty times in a row. I'd like to see that. It would generate a good laugh. My statement is not ridiculous as that.... and pre draws won't get you any closer to a win.

The lottery doesn't determine before hand what the number will be. The don't fudge the game for the lowest pay out possible if they did then 111 or 222 or any triples or quads would never be drawn. Unless you want to start a conspirac... [ More ]

Reply #57

Stack47 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:36:56 GMT

From the Ohio Lottery Pick-3 rules and regulations:

3770:1-7-20 Ohiolottery commission game number twenty.

(G) Manner of prize drawings.

(1) Prize drawings shall be open to the public and may be held at such places in the state that the director shall determine. The director shall inform the public as to the time and place of each prize drawing.

(2) All holders of valid tickets for a given drawing are eligible to win in that drawing. If the holder of a winning ticket does not have th... [ More ]

Reply #56

ICNUMBERS — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:09:23 GMT

You can't compare Bingo, with the Casino, nor Lottery with a game of horseshoes how do you think in the lottery the same exact number can comeout to the date. Don't get me wrong I'm no Lottery expert but something is going to have to give thanks again lotterybraker. The key word is pre and they premeditate the lowest payout number and no one can tell me anything different. Why don't they just have bag up set of balls if the 1st machine was to break down. It's surely not whole heartedly a game of... [ More ]

Reply #55

lotterybraker — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:40:27 GMT

four4me look at this maN

Ball Set A 0-9

Ball Set B 0-9

Ball Set C 0-9

Ball Set D 0-9

Ball Set E 0-9

Ball Set f 0-9

Ball Set G 0-9

Ball Set H 0-9

Ball Set I 0-9

Ball Set J 0-9

Now do you think damn Random Repeatring Fields using the same numbers gives a crap about which 0-9 they are USING..

ITS THE SAME NUMBERS...ITS THE SAME FIELD RUNNING..it makes No difference changing out the balls whatsoever..

Do this test..its so simple go buy 20 ping po... [ More ]

Reply #54

four4me — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:25:42 GMT

excel worksheets only have 65,536 lines going down the page Maryland has already had 11,000 pic 3 evening draws give or take a few draws. if they added all the pre draws to the actual results. they would have to have another work sheet going already as they would have ran out of room. pre tests are done for security reasons and wether we like it or not their going to keep doing them.

Reply #53

Kola — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:04:58 GMT

Thanks for the interesting post LotteryBraker.

*If the pre-tests are regularly periodic, and not conducted randomly, it may make a world of difference...

Reply #52

diamondpalace — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:04:40 GMT

I don't think the lotto will shut down if they are find guilty of pre-testing, manipulating the random factor to have a slight increase in their ticket sales. The only thing I see is they will post up their pre-tests as actual proofs of pre-testings. However, I do think lotterybraker should share the video to CNN and upload it on YouTube. hehe, for educational purpose and entertainment.

Reply #51

four4me — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:52:34 GMT

When you play bingo the caller spins the balls for every draw he/she draws the balls and people play the game. Say 100 people have cards. Out of all those people only some cards will eventually win because the games goes until somebody wins. The same person doesn't win every game because it isn't set up that way. Nor is there some special card that will win more often than any other card it's a random event.

When you play lottery numbers you are betting that your numbers will be drawn an... [ More ]

Reply #50

ICNUMBERS — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:22:37 GMT

I applaud you and all your effort lotterybraker a job well done. MI is one of the most cheating states that's out their and I know they do the pretest so they don't have to pay out as much. If the machines are so random and built on a matrix just were is our con farn darn triple or quad. MI is just some little cheating stinkers.

Reply #49

mind — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:08:56 GMT

Your right on lotterybraker so many

lost soul OOOO well I don't mine

taking their money my list performs always

pretest or no pretest (MIND

Reply #48

RJOh — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:41:04 GMT

..and as time goes by and you see that you have given them more money than you have ever won..then dont say anything about them cheating you out of your money..

How do you figure lotteries are able to pay a $1M prize on a $1 ticket without a lot of players buying $1 tickets and winning nothing? With lotteries taking 50% of sales for themselves, over all most players will lucky if they win back 25% of what they spend on tickets. Most serious players can expect to win back 5-10% of what they sp... [ More ]

Reply #47

lotterybraker — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:32:29 GMT

Well..I have to say the facts speak for themselves..Carbob..you are right..after that long of no pretesting the ONLY EXPLANATION is to increase their profits by manipulating the draws from now on..

It really boils down to what you want out of your Lottery..if you want a TRUELY RANDOM drawing where you have a chance to win then you should do something about it..If you do not care one way or the other then dont worry about it..and as time goes by and you see that you have given them more m... [ More ]

Reply #46

optimistic — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:31:43 GMT

Rjoh, that's the same thing I was thinking. You took the words right out of my mouth. In all honesty to him, he really should not be playing if he feels that way.

Reply #45

RJOh — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:24:17 GMT

I kinda assumed that the lottery did the pre-draws and would just enter the numbers into the system and manipulate the game so that they show a drawing with no winners until they were ready to release a jackpot.

Since it's usually a single ticket that wins, if that was true then they would be picking which person would win. If you really believed that and you didn't know of any reason for them to pick you then you would have no reason to ever play.

Reply #44

chasingadream — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:12:19 GMT

wow....I never looked at it like this.

I kinda assumed that the lottery did the pre-draws and would just enter the numbers into the system and manipulate the game so that they show a drawing with no winners until they were ready to release a jackpot.

But there are so many other things that would shoot that theory down.

Very good post though. Thanks

Reply #43

spy153 — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:29:58 GMT

I agree with you lotterybraker and I think that is where I am losing a lot of my money. Wouldn't a work around on this one be just to play up a few draws, though? Instead of the next outcome....play the outcome that comes after that? Or maybe 5 up or however many pretests there were

Reply #42

RJOh — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:08:56 GMT

I don't play the Florida lotteries, but that might be something that Floridians who play those games might want to do. I play the lotteries in my state of Ohio and MegaMillions which only publish the official drawings results which is fine with me. I track those drawings results and I'm not convinced that more data would change how I play those games.

Reply #41

Stew12 — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:42:46 GMT

Publishing pre-test draws is probably seen as not necessary from the lottery commision stand point. The only reason any individual would NEED the lottery to post the pre-test draws was if they could actually predict which numbers would come out if they had all of the data. And if this situation was possible and the lottery was predictable, the lottery would go out of business.

Pre-test draws are most likely not posted because they would increase the database size constraints to roughly 6 time... [ More ]

Reply #40

Stew12 — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:35:27 GMT

They might have started because they realized it's a smart thing to do. Not for 'changing the outcome', but to be sure their machines would function properly.

I would bet they would have the same general payouts if the first pre-test draws were used as official results. That's the nature of a random game.

As for saying certain combo's HAVE to come out, they don't (at least any time soon). Laws of randomness and averages say that things will even out over a large enough data set. The proble... [ More ]

Reply #39

CARBOB — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:14:19 GMT

Contact them and see what answer you get!!! If you believe that pre-draws are not conducted to change the outcome, not to test machines and balls. If they can have draws for 16 years, without pre-testing, why would you start.

Reply #38

RJOh — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:00:19 GMT

I have some opinions but I've never said they were the answers.

I would think Florida would give the same reasons other lotteries give, to test their equipment before the official live drawings. I find it hard to believe that before 2004 Florida never checked their equipment before during a live drawing.

Reply #37

four4me — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:46:03 GMT

pre tests have absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of an official drawing. For all intensive purposes if you had the ball set and numbers of pre test draws in front of you 24 hours before the drawing you still would have the same odds in any said game.

They rarely if ever use the same ball sets for any drawing two times in a row.

It can be argued till the end of time that pre draws affect the outcome of a drawing. But whats needed is can someone predict what the numbers will be using... [ More ]

Reply #36

CARBOB — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:43:25 GMT

RJOh,

You appear to have all the answers. I want you to answer this question. Why would a state, Florida, that never did pre-draws before 2004, all of a sudden start doing pre-draws. What reasons would they have, unless to create more profit.

Reply #35

mind — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:24:59 GMT

Dead aim I'm talking about the 3 and 4 digit games

those are the only lottery game I play (MIND

Reply #34

Dead_Aim — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:54:15 GMT

Mind, if you are talking about Powerball not having pre post test results on their website , that is not correct. It is listed here.

They do have it somewhat hidden though. When you go to the Powerball website look for the box right below the posted drawings. In the box you will see a little red ball. Click on the ball it will take you to the page I have linked above.

Reply #33

diamondpalace — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:06:34 GMT

Good information. I've read the whole thing.

Reply #32

RJOh — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:54:25 GMT

WHEN YOU MAKE A BET..YOU ARE BETTING ON THE NEXT OUTCOME..

The problem is that's your rule not theirs and you have to play by their rules. Their rule is when you buy a ticket, you're betting on the results of their next official drawing, not any pre-test drawings .

Reply #31

lotterybraker — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:46:24 GMT

well Rjoh..I look at this way...we have technology beyond Belief right now...we can send Men in a spaceship to the moon and safely return them to Earth..you mean to tell me WE CANT build a Ping Pong Ball Machine to ACTUALLY TURN ON to conduct a Lottery drawing..Please..

GO YALL KNOW anything at all about betting..I am no expert but if I called vegas and bet on a game..after the game is over I will win or lose my money..you dont hear Vegas say well..that score of the game..THE NEXT OUTCOM... [ More ]

Reply #30

RJOh — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:36:25 GMT

I agree with Stew12, unofficial pre-test drawings are like warm-ups before a game. It wouldn't be professional to have live drawings with no idea if the equipment was working. Even when the results of the unofficial drawings are published, it's after the official drawing and can't help the players in that drawing. I'm sure some players play the numbers in the pre-test drawings and might feel cheated because the drawings that they might have won wasn't official and that may be a reason states don... [ More ]