Is it wrong to...?

Reply #60

yvi700 — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:43:07 GMT

there's nothing wrong with copying numbers and keeping for your records.

Reply #59

MaddMike51 — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:33:50 GMT

Chances are great that the friends numbers didn't hit,anyway.Keep your mouth shut about copying and playing the same numbers.What the friend doesn't know won't hurt him/her.No harm/no foul.

Reply #58

lottocalgal — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:55:10 GMT

I agree with TSC,

I would tell them after I'd done it then say, good luck to us all

Reply #57

mjwinsmith — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:28:58 GMT

BobP

I am still waiting for an answer on that one, LOL. I use to be in an office pool, I collected the money and went and got the tickets. One big reason I was selected is because everyone else in the pool TRUSTED me. They all knew that if the lotto Pool hit they would not worry that I would take off with the tickets or have a dublicate set on the side for myself.

Reply #56

BobP — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:11:51 GMT

It's not aimed at any particular who or grinch. Its a just suppose that could happen and might be happening with some of the less honest services like the lotter that banks their own bets and pays less, but could instead switch to buying two tickets instead (one for you one for them).

Just suppose as someone else in this thread mentioned, you join a lottery club and the person assigned to buy the tickets also buys the same combinations for themself. Of course if the combinations played are... [ More ]

Reply #55

truecritic — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:08:40 GMT

Not sure who this is aimed at.

My 2 - I think the service should state up front that they do that. Then I have the choice of agreeing to their terms or not.

Reply #54

Coin Toss — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:55:09 GMT

Gee KYFloyd, we can always count on you to tell the rest of the world how to do things your way, Frankie!

The one who isn't being a friend is the one who agreed to do a favor, but didn't.

How did he not do the favor, he got them the ticket.

Whether you understand it or not, the favor implies that you will buythem the ticket but not turn around and copy the numbers for yourself.

How so? Was it stated? Maybe in your mind it's implied, but It was implied would never hold up in a cas... [ More ]

Reply #53

BobP — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:42:44 GMT

Ok, what if you bought a ticket through a service that charges $5. for buying a lottery ticket and the service routinely uses one of those other four dollars to buy themselves the same ticket numbers as you ordered without mentioning it in their terms of service, thus guaranteeing you could only win no more than half the advertised prize. Is that alright?

BobP

Reply #52

truecritic — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:12:22 GMT

I definitely would NOT think of paying anyone $1,000,000 (if I won) or more just for doing me a favor. True it might be my best friend doing the favor and I absolutely would never even consider giving my best friend half of the jackpot (assuming there would only be one winner, without the duplicated ticket). I would not want to share ANY jackpot - however the law forces me to do that with strangers that have matching numbers. I play jackpot games to get it all.

I have given lottery tickets fo... [ More ]

Reply #51

Guru101 — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:24:35 GMT

The contract (which in this case would have to be argued as an oral contract) is simply this: Buy the person a ticket with the money they gave you. That's it. The supposed contract was fulfilled. There is no obligation for the person buying the tickets to not buy a ticket with the same numbers. They have every right to buy a ticket with the same numbers. You own the ticket, not the numbers on the ticket.

Reply #50

KY Floyd — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:50:34 GMT

How much would she have won if she hadn't bought the ticket for her friend

Reply #49

KY Floyd — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:49:19 GMT

I can always count on you to fail to understand something simple. The one who isn't being a friend is the one who agreed to do a favor, but didn't. The person knows there is a chance that the same numbers will be played by somebody else, but they don't believe it is a certainty. Whether you understand it or not, the favor implies that you will buy them the ticket but not turn around and copy the numbers for yourself. By chooosing to use the numbers on their ticket, it's no longer a favor. You've... [ More ]

Reply #48

Guru101 — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:40:29 GMT

If I hadn't bought a duplicate ticket and handed over her ticket to her, and she won, I would be subject to her decision based on how much she thinks I deserve for buying it. Half? Hmmmm, maybe. $1,000,000? Maybe. Nothing? Perhaps. I would have no legal argument as she is the owner of the ticket. If I buy tickets for someone else, I don't want them to decide how much I deserve for physically buying the ticket for them. I want an equal share, so I'll take it upon myself to spend more money to mak... [ More ]

Reply #47

Littleoldlady — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:29:03 GMT

Yes, that really happened and the girl who bought the ticket he promised her 1 million dollars but the last I heard he had not paid her anything but was trying to work something out. The winner and his mom quickly moved away and have not been heard from since.

Reply #46

Littleoldlady — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:20:28 GMT

No, I think most folks are talking common sense. If they win, why shouldn't the person who is buying (physically) the tickets.? That makes absolutely no sense at all to me for someone to NOT think about playing those numbers, too. No one owns any numbers and personally I feel that the person who burns the gas, uses their own time, stands in line should get paid just like everyone else. In fact you might say they have a right to those numbers after all they were in line and they purchased them at... [ More ]

Reply #45

Coin Toss — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:19:57 GMT

Why is the assumption in this thread that the person asking someone else to buy the ticklet for them is the good guy and the runner who runs the errand, and plays the same ticket is the bad guy ?

I'd say as a general rule if you ask someone else to get your tickets for you, then it's Australian rules - i.e., no rules.

I can just imagine anyone who played a ticket for someone, didn't play it for themself, and the ticket won a jackpot (like Littleoldlady's example) -

Why I played a ticke... [ More ]

Reply #44

MysteryMan424 — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:09:16 GMT

This all sounds so crazy to me. many of you are counting chickens before they hatch. Since many of you place such a premium on the what if outcome, then you should only buy tickets for yourselves. Does anyone remember the story of the wedding in upstate NY where they put a 2$ win for life ticket on each plate at the reception, and one of the guests hit the jackpot. When asked the married couple were so elated for the lucky winners! YEAH RIGHT.

Reply #43

myturn08 — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:01:16 GMT

would i be mad if someone played the numbers that they gave me as a gift, no not at all. Anyone who does is greedy or just a sore winner, which makes no sense..no one is obligated to win more than the other........

Reply #42

myturn08 — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:58:21 GMT

thats the exact senario im am talking about, or if you get it as a gift for someone, example: stocking stuffer....if they are quick picks, i dont see a problem of writing down the numbers that were randomly selected for myself..will i tell them i played it probably not...this way if they are both winners I wont feel obligated to expect something out of it, and if they offer to share i will be like, dont worry im good

Reply #41

Guru101 — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:47:58 GMT

If they're really a friend, they wouldn't care. They would be happy either way. This is what it boils down to: You took your time to make sure they had a chance at winning the jackpot. Without you, they would not have won. They would still be in the gutter. I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who would get upset over something like that.

Reply #40

BobP — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:32:50 GMT

If someone asks you to buy some tickets for them and you think you might want to play their numbers, you should ask, Do you mind if I play the same numbers? Simple, upfront, honest.

We are pretending this is a friend we're buying tickets for, right? A friend you would take a bullet for, right?

What happens the other way . . .

The drawing is held and you both have the winning numbers. Your friend goes to bed thinking, Maybe I won the whole prize. And of course the spouse said, D... [ More ]

Reply #39

RJOh — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:04:00 GMT

I have no problems moral or ethical with picking up duplicates of tickets I'm buying for someone else since I would be doing them a favor and not expecting anything for my time and effort even if they won big.

The problem I have is when going to buy tickets for myself some one gives me a dollar to pickup an extra ticket for them and says if we win, we'll split when they know I am buying a bunch of tickets for myself.

This happened several times when I use to travel out of state to buy PB... [ More ]

Reply #38

Guru101 — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:25:20 GMT

Which is why I play the same numbers. Me playing the same numbers no longer makes it an issue of if I should get a portion for buying them their ticket. The decision is no longer up to them to decide how much I deserve for buying their ticket. This isn't the attitude that I have for every request from a friend, but in a case where someone asks me to put them in a position where they are set for life, I want something in return. Why should that person be able to retire and buy a new house, new ca... [ More ]

Reply #37

Littleoldlady — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:11:39 GMT

If someone sends me to play numbers for them, you better believe I am going to play their numbers, too. I tell them up front so they will know. I will always remember that a lady came here and bought a 2.00 QP for a friend and didn't play the same numbers for herself. He won 100 miliion..she won nothing.

Reply #36

MysteryMan424 — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:22:04 GMT

The question was is it wrong to copy the quick pick numbers from a friends ticket? It would seem that the reason for that behaviour is borne out of paranoia. The purchaser's concern being the friend's quick-pick numbers could likely be the winner, therefore the purchaser would want to share in the good fortune, since they are making the purchase. There doesn't seem to be anything legally or ethically wrong with this. From the friend's perspective, if they were superstitous that the buyer would c... [ More ]

Reply #35

Coin Toss — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:15:40 GMT

Justxploring

Coin Toss, I didn't see your post since I was typing. Yes, you prettymuch said the same thing. Nobody could prove that the numbers weren'this numbers.

Hey there, Justxploring. I think this thread is more proof of why gambling in any form should be a solo endeavor.

Very mildly related example- one night when I worked in Vegas we were playing vido games on opur breaks and all night long, no matter what game, I kept seeing the same numbers in my scores, 18, 19, 64 and 65.... [ More ]

Reply #34

diamondpalace — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:38:28 GMT

I would not buy QP for other people, money between family and friends can get ugly. If they ask help in selecting the numbers to play, I will provide them with the tools, observations, tips and tricks for them to use on their own. Regarding to playing the same numbers as my friend's QP, I would not do it, because if we were to won that's also lost of trust between us. If I asked a friend to play QP for me, and later find out the friend also played the same numbers and won 1/2 of the jackpot I wo... [ More ]

Reply #33

lottalotto — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:03:16 GMT

Personally, I think it would be easier to just keep it simple. Let your friends purchase their own tickets. Situations can get strange when it comes to money. So do your own thing and let them do theirs.

Reply #32

mjwinsmith — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:35:15 GMT

Thanks BobP

Great response, I totally agree with you. A big thumbs up.

Michael

Reply #31

mjwinsmith — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:27:59 GMT

Thank you for your post, it just about sums up the point I was trying to make. The original post had to do with moral issues rather than a legal issue. Each and everyone of us has to deal with it according to our own core principles. I will leave it there.

Reply #30

justxploring — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:47:08 GMT

I don't think the original post was about legal issues, just moral ones. Legally, since the ticket is a bearer instrument, I doubt if any court would rule the ticket invalid, whether or not you copied the numbers from a QP. Anyway, a good lawyer could argue that it was a big coincidence since there is really no way to prove otherwise.

What's interesting is that this thread shows why I stopped doing certain favors for people. I used to pick up stuff at the store for neighbors, but once I bough... [ More ]

Reply #29

Coin Toss — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:41:50 GMT

OK, I'll play.

What kind of friend would get upset if they asked you to play a ticket for them and you played an additional ticket with your own money? Who is not being the friend here?

The example with the girlfriend is ridiculous, but if you insist on going that route, I'll reply with, You know what, when I drove your girlfriend home she hinted that I could have some fun with her for $100, so I just dropped her off and went to the ranch.

Your ball.

As for a court case:

Defense... [ More ]

Reply #28

KY Floyd — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:54:16 GMT

A court would definitely give it good consideration, but that's different than having a good case. There's a reasonable argument that in agreeing to get the ticket for somebody else you're entering into a contract. That contract could easily be interpreted to have an implicit agreement that by getting randomly generated numbers you are both agreeing that those numbers are intended only for the person for whom you're buying the ticket. By buying aticket of oyur own you're diluting the value of an... [ More ]

Reply #27

KY Floyd — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:40:36 GMT

You've got it completely backwards. If a friend asks you to buy them a ticket and you then play the same numbers without asking if they mind, then you're the one who isn't really a friend. It has nothing to do with whether or not they really own the numbers or if they would win a lawsuit. It's about integrity and what friends do for, or to, each other. If you asked me to drive your girlfriend home and I slept with her would you think I'd done anything wrong? You don't own her, you'd have no lega... [ More ]

Reply #26

Coin Toss — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:36:06 GMT

BobP

Frankly if the prize were $5 million and you played your friend'snumbers without permission and you both won, I wouldn't count on thefriendship lasting much longer beyond your friend finding out. Mighteven make some lawyer wealthy.

Recently on a TV show called Judge Karen there was a case where someone played a pick 3 which won for a neighbor, but kept the winnings for himself. That made a court case, and the judge ruled he had to give the person he played the ticket for the winning... [ More ]

Reply #25

Guru101 — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:22:57 GMT

If they get upset about you wanting to play the same numbers as them, then they weren't really a friend in the first place. $5M between 2 people is still a lot of money. If you play their numbers, it's the penalty they have to pay for you taking the time to play their numbers for them. If they don't want you to play their numbers, then they should get in their own car and go buy the ticket themself. A lawsuit over a case like this would be thrown out.

Reply #24

BobP — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:58:20 GMT

The difference is whether your action affects your friend's return.

If I know my friend wins Pick-3 a lot and gives me numbers to play, I would play them too, don't need to ask because my action does not harm my friend.

Lottery is parimutuel, the prize is divided among the winners, the more who play the smaller the prize for each winner. An honest friend asked to buy numbers would/should not be afraid to ask if it's ok to play the same numbers. Simple to do, upfront and honest. If yo... [ More ]

Reply #23

Coin Toss — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:48:36 GMT

mjwinsmith

If you were going to a Nevada sports book (the only legal ones in the country, so we'll use Nevada) and someone gave you a six team football paraly to bet, would you see anything wrong with betting the same six team parlay?

Isn't a pick 6 lottery game the ultimate six team parlay?

I don't see any difference.

I also don't see any question of honesty in playing or not playing the same numbers....especially since in your examples you are assuming a solo jackpot, and you can n... [ More ]

Reply #22

Guru101 — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:08:25 GMT

As far as I see it if they give you the money to play it's theirs and not YOURS.........you are in a position of trust.

Their ticket is THEIRS, but if I feel like running that playslip through again and spending MY own money on a ticket with the same numbers, I have every right to do so. Just like I posted before about how I copied my neighbor's QP. If that $2 QP won the jackpot, and she found out I too played a separate ticket with the same numbers, she wouldn't have a lawsuit. I spent my... [ More ]

Reply #21

jackpotismine — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:19:38 GMT

I think there's something not right about copying somebodies numbers on the sneak especially the lotto games. I think being upfront will make the relationship healthy especially if it's a friend or family. I copy numbers sometimes in the pick 3. For instances if a customer says a number like 347. I might say to myself hey I like that number too just because I heard it. Maybe it's a customer I see all the time who wins a lot and I tend to evasdrop hoping to get a feeling too. I think that's okay... [ More ]

Reply #20

mjwinsmith — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:37:05 GMT

ThatScaryChick

Your point is well taken, anyone playing for you my copy and play your numbers, someone asked the question if it was right to do that, play other people's numbers as your own, and I feel it is wrong. You and others here feel it's OK, and you are entitled to that.

Again, I would like to ask that if you were in a Lottery Pool and was assigned to go get the tickets, would you buy a set for the Pool and then a set for yourself

Reply #19

mjwinsmith — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:26:12 GMT

People who don't want to assume a position of trust can simply refuse to purchase Lottery tickets for others.

If someone asked me to get them a Quick Pick and gave me the money to play I'd go purchase the ticket and give same to them, that's just me I'm that type of person. No I would not copy the numbers or play them for myself. Again, I am honest like that. And what does predicting numbers have to do with it?? When people play numbers that I predict and they win I am very happy for them and... [ More ]

Reply #18

mjwinsmith — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:00:54 GMT

We are not talking about someone else who you know nothing about playing the same numbers, we are talking about someone playing numbers for you that you gave the money to play for them. As far as I see it if they give you the money to play it's theirs and not YOURS.........you are in a position of trust. You are twisting things around to serve your purpose, ask yourself what kind of friend are you.

As I stated in an earlier post if your friend or family member indicated that they would share... [ More ]

Reply #17

Guru101 — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:40:16 GMT

I really hope you're kidding. If someone plays the same numbers as you, then you own your ticket and they own theirs. I mean, it could be some stranger across the country that you end up sharing the jackpot with, or it could be a friend, someone you know and care about that you share it with. Who would you rather it be? If not your friend, then maybe you should ask yourself what kind of friend YOU are.

Reply #16

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Reply #15

Guru101 — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:34:53 GMT

This happened to me once. I believe PB was at $300M. I was going to the gas station to pick up my $5 QP. My neighbor asked me to buy her a $2 QP. I don't like buying tickets for other people. I don't know why she couldn't just go buy it herself. So I go into the gas station and buy my $5 QP and her $2 QP. However, since I took it upon myself to buy her a ticket, I walked over to the playslips and marked down the same 2 sets of numbers that were on her $2 ticket. I spent an extra $2 to play those... [ More ]

Reply #14

justxploring — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:32:40 GMT

A gift should never have strings attached. (I'm not talking about getting your child a puppy! I'm talking about a gift for another adult.) If I purchased some quick picks for someone, I wouldn't even look at the numbers.

Having said that, I would never buy anyone a lottery ticket. Just one of my rules.

Reply #13

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Reply #12

Coin Toss — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:27:24 GMT

mjwinsmith

You are saying that, if you gave a friend $1.00 to purchase amegamillion Quick Pick, and they played for you, and they also playedthe same numbers and come to find out that let's say the Jackpot was$500,000,000 that you would not be mad at only getting $250,000,000.00!

I agree with That Scary Chick in disagreeing with you on this.

...Mad at getting ONLY $250,000 ? Who would be mad at getting Only $250,000,000 ?

That kind of mentality is what makes the state and multi-stat... [ More ]

Reply #11

ThatScaryChick — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:56:36 GMT

I disagree. No one owns a set of numbers. Anyone can play any numbers they want if they buy a ticket. If you have someone else buy tickets for you, you risk the chance that they may play those same numbers. If you have a fear that someone may take your numbers and share your jackpot, then don't have someone else buy your tickets.

Reply #10

mjwinsmith — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:30:19 GMT

You are saying that, if you gave a friend $1.00 to purchase a megamillion Quick Pick, and they played for you, and they also played the same numbers and come to find out that let's say the Jackpot was $500,000,000 that you would not be mad at only getting $250,000,000.00! Yeah Right! The Jack Pot was yours and yours only. When your so called friend purchased the ticket and paid your dollar those are your numbers and yours alone.

The only way I could see this happenning is if your friend said... [ More ]

Reply #9

charmed7 — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:13:55 GMT

No its not wrong, wrong would be if you got the tickets, and they

were winners and told them you forgot to play. I had a friend

that happen to.

Just suppose u did purchase the tickets and followed through with

playing the same numbers, and one of the tickets was a winner,

a real friend would not b angry. That way u will have your own

money, and wouldn't be sitting there with your tongue hanging

wondering if they are gonna share some of wealth.

Reply #8

mjwinsmith — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:10:01 GMT

If you play QP (Quick Picks) for friends and family then indeed those are THEIR numbers, they gave you the money for them and the COMPUTER spit out the numbers for THEIR payment. No, you don't have the RIGHT to play those numbers for yourself, but you have every right to purchase YOUR OWN QP [Quick Picks].

The only way it would be right is if you advised your friends and family that you are shady and will play their QP numbers for yourself.

Michael

Reply #7

BobP — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:59:55 GMT

It's a betrayal of trust. Ask their permission before playing their numbers.

BobP

Reply #6

jackpotismine — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:11:12 GMT

I agree with Scary. Be upfront otherwise it you look sneaky. If they mind you playing there numbers be it QP or others then maybe you shouldn't play the numbers for them.

Reply #5

ThatScaryChick — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:26:01 GMT

I don't see anything wrong with playing the same numbers. However, since they are your friends/family, you should probably be up front with them and tell them that you decided to play those numbers as well.

Reply #4

KY Floyd — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:08:13 GMT

What does wrong mean, and what would be your intent? There's nothing wrong with wanting to know whether or not they won, but if you think they owe you something when they win you're definitely wrong. You did them a favor, and that's that. As for playing the numbers from their QP's, they have no real ownership of the numbers, but my opinion is that deliberately choosing to use the same numbers can reasonably be seen as an attempt to claim a share of any jackpot, even though you're not entitled to... [ More ]

Reply #3

Shawn67 — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:59:42 GMT

I personally don't see a problem with it.

Reply #2

Coin Toss — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:43:28 GMT

No, not wrong at all, especially playing them for yourself also.

My wife and I have a friend that we play Mega Millions with and we finally talked into each of us playing the same ticket, because if it was to hit we'd each have a ticket to cash and wouldn't have to invilve lawyers and a trust, etc...

Reply #1

tiggs95 — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:38:47 GMT

Your friend or relative should write the numbers down and you should want them to to be safe...I use to buy tickets for dog and horse track bettors and also lottery but will never do it again..To much to worry about and trouble..Good luck..

Is it wrong to...?

myturn08 — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:22:35 GMT

Lets say you buy some QP tickets for the Fantasy 5 or mega millions for a friend or relative, is it wrong to write down the numbers for the record or even play play them for yourself? Tell me what you think