Braking the law

Reply #30

BuyLow — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:50:42 GMT

Ah Ha.......I forgot about the extra ball sets and draw machines. Throw all that into the mix and you have to throw all predictions out the window, it's literally only the luck of the draw. Nothing more nothing less, unless the balls are loaded in some way..........or the draw machine...........or both.

Reply #29

stribman — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:44:35 GMT

I agree with you about some states manipulate the outcome, but there clever about it, and yes there certified, but some machines have different draw patterns, also they change out ball sets, and mix them daily, perhaps in the name of randomness, or the pretense of making sure they work. but compare the outcome of win totals and you see a pattern. Yes the lottery adds to education, but it also pays top execs. Big bonus. and as far as I know there s nothing you can do but complain , and or play el... [ More ]

Reply #28

Littleoldlady — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:55:49 GMT

the question is: if the lotteries manipulate the outcome is it illegal? my answer is..they are doing it more and more and none of them have been arrested yet because it brings money in for the state and education .

Reply #27

MaddMike51 — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:08:10 GMT

That isn't changing the numbers, it's correcting them. If an announcer mistakenly reads a 6 as a 9, wouldn't you expect them to fix it, assuming they notice it? If anything, that's abeneift to (some) players, because once in awhile a lottery decides to pay on two sets of numbers.

This happened in last nights Powerball drawing.Mike Pace called the first 5 numbers correctly and called the Powerball wrong.The Powerball was 36 and Mike Pace said it was 38.He never aknowledged that he called... [ More ]

Reply #26

KY Floyd — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:57:48 GMT

What they may do to keep the games profitable and random some may call manipulation.

Everything they do that affects the possible outcome is manipulation, but manipulation and fraud are completely different things. Increasing the number of PB outcomes is clearly a form of manipulation, but since they aren't trying to determine a fixed outcome it's obvioulsy not fraud. Similarly, using a specific machine in certain cases isn't fraud. OTOH, if the rules call for choosing ball sets and machines... [ More ]

Reply #25

takeitez — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:35:43 GMT

That is so true!

ez

Reply #24

BuyLow — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:00:18 GMT

Well yea...IF they don't factor in those pre-draws, then their results are virtually useless except for being a brain exercise or just something to do.

Reply #23

JonnyBgood07 — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:51:24 GMT

sopposedly to see if the machine are in wroking order from what I've read here.....to me it nollies everything for folks who play picks from numerical patterns they believe that exist

Reply #22

BuyLow — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:47:51 GMT

What the heck is a pre-draw? I assume it a drawing before the actual drawing. What is the purpose

Reply #21

MysteryMan424 — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:39:37 GMT

Every lottery drawing conducted is observed by an independent auditor. There would be no incentive for the lottery to alter or interfere with a draw result,since they are raking in huge amounts of money from eager and willing participants.

Reply #20

four4me — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:33:22 GMT

Quote: Is it braking the law if any state at any time was known to change the out come of the number's at any time?

Yes it's breaking the law if you are implying that the numbers game is/was rigged in some way.

If the lottery draws the number 123 for example they cant change the number to some other number they want to.... if the official drawing numbers was 123 then they cant change it to another number after the drawing.

Do lottery people make mistakes like put the wrong numbers on th... [ More ]

Reply #19

JAP69 — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:15:16 GMT

State lotteries can change the numbers drawn that are put up on the t v if they are miscalled by the draw host.

I have seen a draw host misscall quite a few times and the miscalled numbers put up on the screen.

I would think after the drawn numbers have been certified by the auditing firm they can not be changed.

Reply #18

Raven62 — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:55:28 GMT

How do they ensure randomness without manipulating the drawings

Reply #17

lottocalgal — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:19:54 GMT

The California State Lottery Act didn't say much about legal ramification of cheating but I do like that they specified the monies from the sale of Lottery with being ADDED to the Education fund not used as a substitution for money already in place ( AS I have heard other states have done, Now how trued that is is anyones guess- but its nice to see that they said it.

Anyway I found this on the CA Regulations

All draw devices must comply with the specifications approved by the Director t... [ More ]

Reply #16

BobP — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 04:43:26 GMT

Just for fun, you might want to read the law that established your lottery and the rules they run under. I wouldn't be surprised to find they are charged with keeping the game profitable, honest and random. What they may do to keep the games profitable and random some may call manipulation. They do seem to have some tricks, like keeping a machine and ballset aside for use only after rollovers have reached the trigger amount where no winner will surge the next jackpot into really big profits for... [ More ]

Reply #15

Guru101 — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 03:46:14 GMT

It would be considered fraud.

Reply #14

JonnyBgood07 — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:42:03 GMT

I'm still trying to stomach the fact of pre draws....I never knew they existed before I came here..I admit I don't get entirely what you mean by your opening statement.

Reply #13

Dead_Aim — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:31:24 GMT

Not to change the subject but they are trying to take that away too.

In God we Trust

Reply #12

LANTERN — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:22:46 GMT

They have taken the In god we trust too much to heart, that is why the monopolies are the only ones doing real business, as they control the government, they laugh at:

AntiTrust laws, because they are the law unto themselves.

You might want to read this anyway:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act

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Did I say, that the state lotteries are a monopoly?, Because I wasn't only talking about them, but also about all the other ones.

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One very last... [ More ]

Reply #11

zero — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:07:50 GMT

In God we trust you think? Thats not good at all.

Reply #10

LANTERN — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:48:25 GMT

Sure they are honest! They are the government, so no matter what they do or don't, they are right and honest, they are so honest that there is no way that anybody can prove that they are not, as any kind of evidence against the government is invalid, that reminds me of:

Was it, Number Six ?

By the way, it isn't very nice to break the rule (Law) of: Thou shalt not predict the winning number right (often)

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You can't predict random?

Of course not! As there is no s... [ More ]

Reply #9

DC81 — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:37:46 GMT

I'm fairly sure that it would be considered fraud for them to do that and probably a host of other things too. Not to mention the PR nightmare it would cause and probably killing the lottery in that state for a good amount of time from the money lost in class-action lawsuits to people completely losing trust in it. I'm sure those involved go to prison, probably some minimum security country club . Look at the RNG fiasco in Tennessee and how it's has hurt sales (we all know the Lottery Director/P... [ More ]

Reply #8

zero — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:23:03 GMT

I am sure we the players are protected by someone if a crime or the number's have been changed right, We all know the state's that have lottery game's are honest.

Reply #7

GASMETERGUY — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:19:30 GMT

At first I agreed with you, Guru101. After a few nanoseconds of thought, I am not so sure.

Where is it written that it shall be illegal ( or ill eagle) for a state run lottory to manipulate the outcome? Have you seen any such prohibition? I haven't.

One would naturally assume that such a law exists. After all, the lottory wants to be open and fair and balanced and trustworthy, not to mention loyal, helpful, friendly, brave, and so on. Right? So why did they go to RNG's and the ubiquitous c... [ More ]

Reply #6

zero — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:57:39 GMT

Read the reply.

Reply #5

tiggs95 — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:48:05 GMT

To zero..I have no idea what your question means..Please try to explain it somehow different..Thanks..

Reply #4

zero — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:07:21 GMT

Good luck to you in 2009 God bless.

Reply #3

Guru101 — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:42:49 GMT

It is breaking the law.

Reply #2

zero — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:34:45 GMT

Thank you so do you know

Reply #1

Guru101 — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:33:08 GMT

It is breaking the law, but not braking it. Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Braking the law

zero — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:18:37 GMT

Is it braking the law if any state at any time was known to change the out come of the number's at any time