Repeated winning numbers in jackpot, rare?

Reply #30

Seachelle — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:48:03 GMT

Ok thanks! I thought it would help with the comp. generated games. I will try to make some thing in excel to help. Oh and your as sexy as you feel

Reply #29

diamondpalace — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 06:08:40 GMT

Hey Seachelle,

I am now the excel guy? Was trying to go for sexy guy...but I guess not.

No excel for this. It was just a question to see how often previous winning combinations repeat itself, or have they since the game started. Seemed like for some states there are a few repeated combinations. I usually run a quick check with my combinations with the history to make sure I don't play what's already won. Been doing that and I am amazed there were a few. Of course as the history grew this m... [ More ]

Reply #28

Seachelle — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 05:28:47 GMT

Hi everyone,

Diamond, haven't talked with you in a while. I hope everything is gud!! I now label you as the excel guy! I was wondering did you make an excel sheet for this? If not could I take the same concept for the 4 of 7 for the wheeling part of the excel sheet and apply it to a larger scale like for numbers 1-41. I hope this make sense

Reply #27

ThatScaryChick — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:37:49 GMT

Here is a repeat combo that hit within two months of each other:

Draw Date State Game Results

Sun, Jul 9, 2006 Michigan Fantasy 5 01-05-08-17-24

Tue, May 30, 2006 Michigan Fantasy 5 01-05-08-17-24

(Found the info from this old thread.

Reply #26

BobP — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:38:06 GMT

Couple of comments . . .

FL 5/26 is 1 in 65,780

WV 6/25 is 1 in 177,100

Odds Calculator - http://www.lotto-logix.com/wheellinks.html

There is a difference between starting at the beginning and stopping when the cost of playing gets too high. Playing 2,700 combinations a day is a bit much.

The question with WV 6/25 is how long would someone have had to wait for a combination to repeat for a jackpot if they had started playing all past winning combinations as their plays... [ More ]

Reply #25

RJOh — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:11:04 GMT

In my analogy of past drawings, I have no clue why numbers and combinations behave as they do. I just observe the way they've behaved in the past and post my observations. I have no reason to think they will behave differently in the future.

Reply #24

KY Floyd — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:08:55 GMT

Since each combinations that hasn't won is also very unlikely to be drawn, why isn't it a no-brainer to eliminate them, too? Are those previous winners unlikely to be drawn because they've won in the past, or is there some other mechanism that might be involved? Your post about WV's 6/25 could be taken as an argument against eliminating past winners, since both examples win slightly more than 50% of what is wagered. Assuming the game pays out 50%, like the majority of jackpot games, that's bit b... [ More ]

Reply #23

RJOh — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:11:31 GMT

RJoh:

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QUICK-PICK'sss!!

If you gamble, don't blame it on me.

Be a man and take responsibility for your own actions.

Reply #22

psykomo — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:36:13 GMT

RJoh:

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translation:

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call:

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Reply #21

RJOh — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:11:20 GMT

West Virgina Cash25 (6/25) has 25 numbers which makes it more likely to have winning numbers repeat. Its jackpots are $25,000 and had one played all past winning numbers up to last Friday, they would have spent $3,812,941 and won $1,982,553 which includes 16 jackpot.

Had one played the previous 10 drawings for 2752 of the 2762 drawings, they would have spent $27,520 and won $13,928. They would not have won a jackpot but they would have matched 5of6 28 times.

Reply #20

aberdeennut — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:24:47 GMT

Yes my friend 5 seems to be the limit out of a set it seem to give off 1 ball so it shows a repeat of numbers and then it may show you 3 and so on until 5 are released and then it will start all over again, only it will select out of a winning line another number and so the system continues in the same old mixed up way. If there is a repeat of a previous winning line then it would pay everyone to stand still and do the bet for life as you probably have as much luck hitting the jackpot. but I don... [ More ]

Reply #19

diamondpalace — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:22:31 GMT

In the future when looking at cold combos, people will play them heavily. 5/39 have 575,757 combos, say 575,700 has already made it to the jackpot lounge, 57 still out there. I think by then, those who look at the lotto will know the system will complete itself eventually, and needs 57 more combos to do so. Those 57 will be good to look at. Yes, every combination have the same drawing, but when you look at the overall scheme 57 combos left are now the focal point to one's jackpot desire.

Reply #18

RJOh — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:15:07 GMT

Since winning combinations seldom repeat, eliminating them from your picks seems to be a no-brainer. The question is how far back do you go to eliminate combinations that missed winning by two or three numbers. For example in the 10 most recent drawings for RC5 only three of the winning combinations had matched 4 when checked with all the previous drawings and those three matches were 1286, 813 and 1091 drawings back, so one might not only want to eliminate past winning combinations from their p... [ More ]

Reply #17

KY Floyd — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:27:52 GMT

How much do you suppose you would have won betting the same amount while using some other strategy? If anything, having some combinations repeat would suggest that eliminating previous combinations means you're eliminating combinations that are more likely than others. The reality is that (assuming drawings are random and there is no significant bias) every combination has the same chance, regardless of when, or if, it was previously drawn. The only reason that repeats are generally uncomon and... [ More ]

Reply #16

KY Floyd — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:22:48 GMT

I know exactly what you were doing. You sensibly decided that you should only bet on the 2 combinations that won two times. It's a great strategy, but only if you can figure out which combinations are the ones that are going to repeat.

As far as figuring the total cost, you can do the recursive addition (0+1+2...+1431+1432)*, or you can average it out. The average bet is 0+1432, or $716, on each of 1433 drawings.

* There were no previous numbers for the first drawing, so your strategy mean... [ More ]

Reply #15

four4me — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:53:01 GMT

Thank you I thought about if after i posted and realized i had no clue as to what i was doing with my calculations.

Reply #14

Prov1x — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:42:23 GMT

I made a program once that got all drawn numbers over the games lifetime and deleted them from the picks you had to choose from. I never really finished it because powerball and cash 5 gave me a headache

Reply #13

BobP — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:22:47 GMT

9 is the Compainion Pairs chart in the Gail Howard software. It gives you the pairs, triads, quads, quints, that have repeated over the range of history one selects or all of it. So many people here have the software, saying GH is generally understood.

BobP

Reply #12

RJOh — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 04:43:17 GMT

1. When RC5 first started, there weren't any Sunday drawings so that is the reason there has only been 1433 drawings between 10/04/04 to 01/23/09.

2. You can't play all the previous drawings for $2 after the third drawing.

3. I rechecked my calculations and I was right. For every combinations played there is a 0-5 match and when all those matches are added up at $1 each they equal $1,026,028 for 1433 drawings.

Reply #11

time*treat — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:41:23 GMT

I calculated the same cost of play: $1,026,028

$1 for drawing #2

$2 for drawing #3

$3 for drawing #4

...

$1,432 for drawing #1433

Reply #10

four4me — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:48:03 GMT

RJOh i don't know i come up with $3,092

from 10/12/2004 to 1/4/2009 = 1546 days times 2 bucks a day = $3,092

Reply #9

RJOh — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:36:54 GMT

I shall have to look into the way I calculated cost, that may be double the actual cost. By the way since 2 of the combinations repeated there has only been 1431 different combinations.

Reply #8

diamondpalace — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:32:27 GMT

Ah, cost too much to win so little. I think with the repeated winning combo in effect for some states, it's best use would be to not include them. So instead of taking 1,433 previous drawings into consideration (knowing one of which might repeat), we can already eliminate 1,433 drawings from 575,757 combos. Not much, but does help not to spend those dollars on combos already made it .

Reply #7

RJOh — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:09:28 GMT

As of 01/23/09 Ohio's Rolling Cash5 (5/39) with 1433 drawings since it started on 10/04/04 had two winning combinations repeat.

01/04/09 - 14 17 20 22 30

06/21/07 - 14 17 20 22 30

12/20/08 - 07 08 16 34 36

10/12/04 - 07 08 16 34 36

When I compare all drawings with previous drawings the matches are:

TOTAL MATCHES PAYOUTS

MATCH 0 = 495418 0

MATCH 1 = 413321 0

MATCH 2 = 106852 0 $ 106852

MATCH 3 = 10078 0 $ 100780

MATCH 4 = 357 0 $ 107100

MATCH 5 = 2 0 2 JP... [ More ]

Reply #6

diamondpalace — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:00:24 GMT

Thanks four4me. I do have excel. :)

Will try this out today.

Reply #5

four4me — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:25:10 GMT

If you have excel or Microsoft works or any business software drop or input all the numbers into it and hit ascending order you can then go through the list and see what lines came out more than once.

In Maryland it has happened lick 4 or 5 times. bonus match 5

Reply #4

diamondpalace — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:48:12 GMT

I wonder if there is a way to check all the winning combinations for repeats. Doing it manually is going to take lots of time...

BobP, what is the 9 chart

Reply #3

BobP — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:06:44 GMT

The Florida 5/26 game had so many repeat combinations good money could be made simply playing all the previous drawn combinations for each draw.

If you have the GH software and the full FL 5/26 data base, try running the 9. chart. I think you will be surprised how many times this game repeated winning 5 number combinations.

BobP

Reply #2

diamondpalace — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 04:51:17 GMT

For GA Fantasy 5, there are over 3,000+ results. I am thinking of running my picks with it so I don't reselect the winning combo.

Reply #1

time*treat — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 04:43:17 GMT

It's happened in my state's p5 game at least once.

It happens rarely enough (a year or more apart, usually), that I feel safe not playing combos that have previously fallen.

Repeated winning numbers in jackpot, rare?

diamondpalace — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 04:01:01 GMT

For your state pick 5 games, or even Mega Million, do you think the winning number will repeat itself in your lifetime? If so, how long do you think it will take before seeing the same winning number again? Any winning numbers previously drawn. As the game ages, higher percentage of previous winning combos might show up for next draw. For younger games, with higher odds like Mega Million it will take over 50 years to see any repeats.

What do you think