Predicting number patterns?

Reply #102

rcbbuckeye — Tue, 12 May 2009 17:39:14 GMT

I am revising my files as well. Not really sure if the work is going to make much difference, but it will be interesting to compare the two files.

Reply #101

rcbbuckeye — Tue, 12 May 2009 17:34:38 GMT

Tx does not have a 6/49 lotto. It is 6/54. Not sure what you mean by all 32 numbers for a 6/49 lottery . Anyway, I'm not ready to pop for 64 lines in ANY one drawing. A little over budget. LOL.

Reply #100

RJOh — Tue, 12 May 2009 15:48:29 GMT

For MegaMillions, I would refine my search just back to 06/24/2005 when the matrix was last changed. The number 2 and other numbers lower than 53 came up more frequent before the last four numbers were added.

I also checked my MM file stats against LP statistics and mine were different due to some errors in my file. I've since checked other website MM files and corrected mine. When you are dealing with history, you want everything to be as correct as possible and try to remove any variables... [ More ]

Reply #99

Hans — Tue, 12 May 2009 09:08:46 GMT

Your issue could be perfectly sloved by digital wheels.Using all 32 numbers for 6/49 lotteries,and guanarate a 5 match in 64 lines with 7 numbers.

I have so far kept the wheel secretly and see if there is a chance to be put on LP some time after some better arrangement for selecting numbers.

Investment is still a problem though.

Hans

Reply #98

RJOh — Sun, 10 May 2009 22:33:48 GMT

Thanks for the head-up. Now I will work on an easy way to separate the information in a PDF file as I've done with text files.

Reply #97

Stack47 — Sat, 09 May 2009 21:38:05 GMT

At the top of the Ohio Lottery home page click on number search then scroll down to archives . They have results of every game drawn since 1979.

Reply #96

ca-dreamin* — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:14:27 GMT

LOL one of the few good things about Illinois.

I do like your idea of keeping records of the past draws in a file. As I continue to get ideas I have more of a need to search farther back into the game. As far as picking numbers to play I'm only interested in the last 15-20 games.

I can understand with a game like Mega wanting to have as much past history as possible LOL that's a whole different ball game

Reply #95

RJOh — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:28:43 GMT

You're welcome, I know the feeling.

I use to track more games when I had an active Lotto Pro membership and could download updates everyday but now that I maintain my files myself, I only track the games I play or might play when I travel to an adjacent state.

Reply #94

four4me — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:55:24 GMT

Thanks for that info i checked that out a few months ago.

I was charting Little lotto until they stopped allowing copy and paste from the Lil lotto menu history of numbers. Since i don't live in IL it's not worth my trouble to dissect the numbers anymore.

Reply #93

RJOh — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:07:58 GMT

ca-dreamin,

You're lucky Illinois lottery maintain records of all their drawing at the website, Ohio only keep the last six months or the length of time a ticket is still good. If I didn't keep my own records, I would have no way of going back and building them up from information on their website. At least if you ever decide go back and reconstruct records from a year or two back, the information is there.

Reply #92

ca-dreamin* — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:55:54 GMT

When I learned about odds and patterns and all that good stuff I didn't own a PC so I learned to do everything by hand.

I have Excel but have never used it. I found a couple of tutorials to guide me thru the basics and as soon as I figure everything out I'm anxious to put as much lottery info into it as I can.

Reply #91

ca-dreamin* — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:36:24 GMT

Hey RJOH,

I was keeping charts on Little Lotto as well as Lotto and MM but I stopped around June of last year. I've just recently started tracking numbers again but this time only for Little lotto and they only go back a few months. I realized that in trying to find patterns within patterns I need to go back more than just a few months.

As for previous drawings....I always go to the Illinois Lottery website and print out what I need. Keeping an ongoing file with the numbers is a good idea... [ More ]

Reply #90

RJOh — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:29:44 GMT

True if you are on the page that only show the results of one game. But is you go to the Winning Number section you can get a text file by year or month with all the winning numbers together (like below). Copy it to notepad. To have all the same games together in the file, sort the lines(records) by the game names. (You can use the DOS command Sort in the command window of XP if you don't have a sorting program)

04/27/2009 Evening Pick 3 4-7-0

04/27/2009 Evening Pick 4 9-3-8-4

04/27... [ More ]

Reply #89

four4me — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:25:00 GMT

Yes you can print it out but you cant copy and paste it at least not from my browser they have some kind of feature that doesn't allow copy and paste.

Some people might have time to enter all the drawings into an excel file manually. But why should you if they will give you the file.

Reply #88

RJOh — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:30:51 GMT

Fact is, anyone can go to the Illinois Lottery website and do a search for any of their games and it will show the complete list for any period requested. I requested a list from May 15,1989 when the name of Cash5 was changed to Little Lotto to today's date and it took less than minute to print out a page with all the results for that period.

Also I learned that back in those days Rebecca Paul ran their lottery.

Reply #87

jimjwright — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 05:53:41 GMT

Hello,

Thanks BillyBouy for posting that!!!

May I ask how you arrived at the column arrangement for the loto balls? In other words will you keep the lotto columns static in there current positions or do you change them dynamically to show the current pattern trend easier?

Jimmy

Reply #86

four4me — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:37:05 GMT

Someone told me if you contact the Illinois lottery they will send you the Lil lotto files in excel format. If you do that don't go into a lot of details as to what you are going to do with the file just tell them it's for personal use.

If you have excel you can make two files one for tracking and updating the new numbers as they fall everyday and another one to work with.

Copy and paste all the little lotto drawings to a separate workbook and put in ascending order you can then see all th... [ More ]

Reply #85

RJOh — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:48:31 GMT

I would love to go back at least 6 months and look at Little Lotto line by line just to see what was happening. Then I would go back line by line and start taking notes. When pattern A and B fall together what happens in the next 5 lines.

As a serious lottery player, I'm surprise you don't have a list of the previous drawings for the games you play. I'm always wondering what happened back when so having a file with all the previous drawings is handy and beside I check my new picks against it... [ More ]

Reply #84

ca-dreamin* — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:52:36 GMT

Aww billybouy we have no doubt about patterns. What we're trying to find is patterns within the patterns

Reply #83

ca-dreamin* — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:41:59 GMT

Hey Gasmeterguy,

Right now I'm looking at the patterns for Little Lotto which is played everyday so alot more is going on than say MM or PP where you have a much wider range of numbers and a lot less plays per week. LOL at least you've managed to find a link. Even if you consider it limited value at least it's a step closer to figuring out this mystery AKA the lottery!

The only pattern I've searched for so far was trying to see if when certain patterns fell together...... then would other... [ More ]

Reply #82

billybouy — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:07:54 GMT

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p9wTmB98YT64UO073dk80SQ

Hi CARBOB use the above link it is a link for sharing files on google.

Hope this works for you.

Regards, billybouy.

Reply #81

billybouy — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:20:44 GMT

CARBOB PM me with your email and send you my spreadsheet with all on turtle has it if he has the same format as you I am using a Power Mac, other than that try and copy and paste my friend, am in the UK turtle is closer to you and he knows me.

Regards..

Reply #80

CARBOB — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:15:10 GMT

Is it possible to download this workbook

Reply #79

billybouy — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:08:25 GMT

OK everyone go to my blogs I have now altered my sheet to allow you to see the patterns go to the ID columns look down it yellow is the normal color I use in here but I have now highlighted some patterns for you to study as I am fed up with hearing there is no pattern, the lines have different colors for you to Identify some of the patterns all the colors contain the lines with the numbers the lines in yellow contain the empty cells ID mark 1 the column to the right I am sure seeing is believing... [ More ]

Reply #78

RJOh — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:57:59 GMT

I've defined the patterns of the last 401 MM drawings using 3 sets of parameters and when I sort them accordingly I end up with 130 patterns of which the top 10 or so cover 25% of all the drawings. During it that way kinda covers that pattern within a pattern question.

For the next few MM drawings, I'll only be playing combinations with those top patterns definitions. The results will be noted in my thread Developing a winning MegaMillions System

Reply #77

billybouy — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:16:38 GMT

Yep there is a pattern but you have to find it look at my update today and you will see 5 columns with ID marks in them and then look at the others that is the line without ID as you come down the sheet the colored lines contain the numbers and empty spaces which in fact hold all the winning numbers and The ID column contains a 1 in and contains the lines with the empty cells, if you look closely at it you will pick up the pattern.

Reply #76

rcbbuckeye — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:07:16 GMT

I try to work with patterns and odds. For example, in Tx 2 Step on Jan 22, 21-24-26-29 played. On Mar 16, 24-29-31-34 played. On Mar 30, 21-24-28-30 played. On Apr 13, 21-26-28-29 played. So there is a pattern with 21-24-26 and 29... with some other numbers in there. I also try to reduce the odds by playing fewer decades. Of course the drawing has to cooperate. If the first number is a single or teen, I'm screwed. But hey, it IS still gambling. And of course, Tx 2 Step odds are only 1,832,600 to... [ More ]

Reply #75

GASMETERGUY — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:20:24 GMT

I have tried to find a co-relation between one or more patterns to no avail. My failure should in no way affect your endeavors. Where I have failed, you may suceed.

So far, all my patterns seem to act independently. When I do find a link between two or more patterns, I find the resultant algorithym to be of extremely limited value. There is not enough meat to sink your teeth into.

Your suggestion that a certain pattern will fall after another certain pattern is one in which I have not stud... [ More ]

Reply #74

ca-dreamin* — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:53:34 GMT

Is there a pattern within the patterns? That's what I've started to look for but so far nothing stands out.(This is the trying to see whatever it is I don't see) I've only been looking at the last few months though. I'm sure I need to look much further back. I was hoping that when certain patterns fell together maybe then other patterns would fall. Maybe it's a little more complicated like when patterns x and y fall, then pattern z falls then pattern x falls again then____pattern will follow. Wh... [ More ]

Reply #73

GASMETERGUY — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:37:06 GMT

RJOH

The above is my philosophy and the direction I have been prusing for several years now. I feel that once you anticipate the pattern correctly, the numbers ( or rather lots of combinations ) will follow.

Now is there a pattern within the patterns? That is the question. And, if so, what would those higher patterns tell us

Reply #72

KnuckleHead — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:12:07 GMT

Now these are the kinds of discussions and ideas that get ya ta thinkin...

Thank you and keep em commin...

Reply #71

ca-dreamin* — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:00:35 GMT

I look at past draws to anticipate LOL what patterns should happen next and thus pick my numbers accordingly. Even though I don't calculate what should happen versus what has actually happened.......in a sense I'm still factoring in the odds(maybe not as accurately) by choosing one pattern over another. I guess at some point you still have to look at the odds. The same thing goes for the numbers. If I choose one number over another because based on it's past performance I think it has a better c... [ More ]

Reply #70

phileight — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:31:13 GMT

knucklehead

when you use the words analize and anticipate you are implying that you want to base your selection on something other than a guess. what do you want to use as a selection criteria? if not odds and probability what would you use that is not merely a guess. its difficult to write a formula thats based on a guess. The human brain can take several bits of information combine them and arrive at a guess based on those bits. computers can't make that leap yet. computers are great at dig... [ More ]

Reply #69

RJOh — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:20:49 GMT

Odds are only needed by those players who aren't 100% right 100% of the time.

Reply #68

time*treat — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:02:02 GMT

Oh. The technical people want to hit that next draw. What they are doing is trying to figure out how often a thing should happen versus how often a thing has actually happened... and play accordingly, either with or against the trend.

Plenty of non-technical people hit with just a quick pick or using birthdays or whatever... which makes technical people...

The money will spend the same, either way.

Reply #67

KnuckleHead — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:29:54 GMT

time*treat,

I understand what odds are and why they would be placed into calculations. What I don't comprehend is why they are needed to anticipate the possible next draw after analizing past draws. Wouldn't it simply be analize and anticipate ? Why would you also need to calculate the odds ?

Thanks for asking...

Reply #66

time*treat — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:14:48 GMT

Are you asking what odds are, or are you asking why anyone would bother with them

Reply #65

KnuckleHead — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:57:13 GMT

Morning All,

Thank you Greg, I stand corrected, Anticipated is a better description of what I am attempting to figure out.

Maybe I'm just dense, but I still don't understand why Odds need to be calculated into a formula that analyzes past draws for any patterns to anticipate the next drawing results.

Would someone please, take the time, to explain this in plain english (not tech terms) for me and any others reading this so that us non-mathmaticians and non-programers can understand bett... [ More ]

Reply #64

RJOh — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:46:44 GMT

Same thing goes for numbers too, but anticipating the right pattern with the right numbers might get you closer to the winning combination.

Reply #63

Greg — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:27:15 GMT

Number patterns cannot be predicted but they CAN be ANTICIPATED.

Reply #62

turtle0747 — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:03:40 GMT

Thanks for the help! It looks simple to do. Will check out the page.

Thanks again.

Reply #61

phileight — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:05:22 GMT

turtle 0747

see below you can google mrexcel ,and at the end fill in the required w's and m for Pearson site. these are for functions but with slight modifcation will do what you want i think.

p8

mrexcel

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Emily asks, Please could you advise the formular solution for counting the number of cells that have a particular backgorund colour (i.e. these cells contain some data however the colour is what's important in order to count them).

Logically I fee... [ More ]

Reply #60

phileight — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:43:11 GMT

Turtle0747 color is an object so I would think so. the problem is getting the correct syntax. I've not tried to do it that way, I'm setting a color based on some condition. to be sure I understand you are checking for an interior color and it will be a known color as in 1-9 for example. interesting problem i'll see if I can find the answer.

p8

Reply #59

turtle0747 — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:21:12 GMT

Is there a way to check the color of a cell?? Can use an 'IF' with Cells(x, y).Interior.ColorIndex = 3 to check it's color

Reply #58

billybouy — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:35:35 GMT

Hi everyone those who are interested in the PB should go to my blogsas I have now posted the latest Power Ball config files there is now aseperate config for Sat and Wed this should help you a bit more I hope,the Ater file has Sats winning numbers showing in the yellow columns.Any questions or comments just say.

Regards, billybouy.

Reply #57

billybouy — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:21:28 GMT

Another way to look at it is whatever spaces there are in weds they are in sats too.

Reply #56

ca-dreamin* — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:16:22 GMT

Ok billybouy I will take a look! Thanks for being patient and taking the time to further explain : ) It's always nice to see other peoples ideas

Reply #55

billybouy — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:40:09 GMT

If you look at the After file you will see six columns of of numbers colored in yellow for you to look at those lines that you see on the file are the lines that have been selected to form the winning numbers displayed in yellow that is where the answer comes from a selection of lines forming the answer and is shown in the spaces.

Regards,

Reply #54

ca-dreamin* — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:53:33 GMT

I too have read this several times plus the previous post and even the recent post and I still can't figure out what billybouy is trying to say about spaces and lines.

Reply #53

turtle0747 — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:17:17 GMT

Just looking for basic colors, noothing fancy. Will try your idea. Thanks.

Reply #52

phileight — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:32:14 GMT

Turtle 0747

I'm not sure if that was a question. If it was, simplest method is to record a macro. set different cells to different colors. then look at your macro code to see different #'s to use for different colors. tinting and shading are beyond where I want to be at this time. I stick to basic colors.

Billybuoy

I have read your response several times. apparently my mind is going in a different direction from yours. I just do not understand what you are doing. I must be misreadi... [ More ]

Reply #51

billybouy — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:42:27 GMT

turtle I have the VBA books.

Reply #50

turtle0747 — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:09:17 GMT

Thanks for your help! Have my program running. A good book would help. Need to learn how to do the different colors,

Reply #49

billybouy — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:08:01 GMT

The arrangement of the numbers is the numbers put into the spreadsheet since the 10 Jan if you study Weds and go to Sats you will see there are in fact 2 different configorations of numbers mixing together, I have not configored them in the seperate days it is mearely to display to members where I think the real answer comes from, you know if you search a number you get lots of other numbers come up with it , and if search for the empty cell for the number it selects all the lines that contain t... [ More ]

Reply #48

phileight — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:53:50 GMT

turtle 0747

if you use gwbasic you will have very little problem with vba. just a few different commands. ability to copy and paste make it much easier to write programs and or modify where your code is located

let me know if i can be of help

p8

Reply #47

ca-dreamin* — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:20:06 GMT

If you do not have Excel, go buy a copy NOW! While you are out and about, stop in at your favorite bookstore and purchase a copy of VBA for Dummies . ............ Thank-you Gasmeterguy this applies to me.

Reply #46

billybouy — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:56:56 GMT

Hi p8

I have been working to get my boat ready for sea, so have only just seen this, I have read many topics on LP and most of you are using systems/methods that come from a program, I do not believe in programs they are desogned to take money from you and not give, my point was if members can pick a number that is successful then they should turn there methods to search for the space that represents the number hence you get the lines that contain all the spaces for that number, I am not bles... [ More ]

Reply #45

turtle0747 — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:31:34 GMT

Thank you! Thank you!! It works. I have a table of 46 rows each with columns A to U. I just need to study your code and change it to work with those rows and columns. Also will input 5 numbers. Use GWBASIC quite a lot. So I understand the logic. It's just learning the language.

Reply #44

phileight — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:04:40 GMT

this was what got me started using VBA. within excel conditional formating will let you have or setup 3 conditions. for Pick4 I wanted 4 so that i could enter my guess and see where those # had occured recently. this file assumes you have pick4 data or any numeric data starting at row 4 col B,C,D,E through 40 you culd have much more but unless you change some numbers thats all it will look at. open your spreadsheet press alt f11 create a macro lets call it color. this creates an empty subroutine... [ More ]

Reply #43

turtle0747 — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:41:19 GMT

Is there a way to check a group of cells and change a color if the cell equals a certain number

Reply #42

turtle0747 — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:28:09 GMT

thanks

Reply #41

phileight — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:25:19 GMT

yes. alt F11 will open a window. if you record a macro then use the alt F11 you can view the code .

check out gasmeterguys blog for some basics on how to write your program. there are several good tutorials on the web. several people here are very helpful. Time treat helped me over a couple of obstacles. things that are in fact simple can be mountains if you don't know how its done. If I can help just ask.

p8

Reply #40

turtle0747 — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:14:20 GMT

Is VBA embedded in Excel?? How do you bring it up??

thanks

Reply #39

DownandDirty — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:05:55 GMT

I'd like to suggest you include the theories associated with the distribution of Prime numbers in your analysis.

Great mathematics minds have tried to prove it's relativity/relationship to random distribution....and alot of other things in the world of physics.

I have been studying this lately and there is something there that is useable.

Reply #38

KnuckleHead — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:35:39 GMT

GASMETERGUY -

Did you really say more satisfying than winning $20 M ?, knowledge is great, but green backs are great too.

Program = Lotus 123 It's all I've used since I turned on my first computer. I haven't done a whole lot of creating/writing my own scripts though. I don't comprend the events, variables, etc. I do understand that Excel's Visual Basic is very similar. Therefore, as I look through different examples, I see the same things. I need to have a better understanding of how it wo... [ More ]

Reply #37

GASMETERGUY — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:24:55 GMT

If you do not have Excel, go buy a copy NOW! While you are out and about, stop in at your favorite bookstore and purchase a copy of VBA for Dummies . That's what I did and I am grateful that I did. Keeping up with the draws is easy. Learning something new is priceless. Using your newfound knowledge to discover what you want to know is even more priceless (if such is possible).

Now you are ready to consider what you think needs exploring for you will have the tools necessary to do that explor... [ More ]

Reply #36

ca-dreamin* — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:38:55 GMT

LOL KnuckleHead! Math isn't one of my daughters strong points. I was good at math but OMG it's been so long I can't even remember basic algebra.

And I was just thinking last night I may need to learn some more math haha just to figure out LOL whatever it is I'm trying to figure out. HAHA maybe you'll be teaching us.

Reply #35

KnuckleHead — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:35:47 GMT

Morning everyone,

I realize that an algorithym is nothing more than a mathmatical equation, but, ca-dreaming's daugther is probably better at math than I am. (haha)

Now, with that being said, an algorithym or mathmatical equation and the associated computer commands needed to create a function for each cell, or, to create a visual basic/script that would run on command, has to be programed to analize several different possibilities. That is also a problem, since I don't know or unders... [ More ]

Reply #34

rcbbuckeye — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:25:51 GMT

Yeah RJ, I've been watching your posts on that thread. I think that it just goes to show the incredible odds against winning even small prizes, cause I can see the work you put into your picks. I typically play 2 lines with the megaplier. I mean, you play 20 bucks and win 2 or maybe 3. So far this year I have played $84 and won $8. Not knocking how you play, I just like to play the other games too, and have to spread my money.

I read somewhere BobP recommended just focus on one game and put a... [ More ]

Reply #33

ca-dreamin* — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:32:32 GMT

Ok thanks so much for defining this. HAHA no wonder my daughters reply was an algorithm for what

Reply #32

RJOh — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:27:01 GMT

I've also tracked the MegaMillions numbers since 05/17/02 when its name changed from BigGame and it started in Ohio, but I only look at patterns for the last 397 games from 06/24/05 when the matrix changed from 5/52+1/52 to 5/56+1/46.

In another thread I pick 20 lines to play each drawing but so far I haven't had much luck getting anything better than a 0+1 or a 3+0.

Reply #31

RJOh — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:06:47 GMT

Thanks for the update, sounds like he didn't steer you in a different direction. I too have been looking into number distribution patterns of previous drawings and believe while I can't predict the outcome of the next drawing, I can improve my odds of a win by using the most popular number distribution patterns.

Reply #30

phileight — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:47:56 GMT

billybuoy

I looked at some of your blog. I don't understand what i was looking at or what I should be looking for. The way you have the numbers arranged is different. is this a before the draw or after arrangement? the way the hits line up was very interesting. I would like to hear more about your methods.

p8

Reply #29

GASMETERGUY — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:21:32 GMT

An algorithm ( or Algorithym) is nothing more than a sequence of steps one takes to reach an objective. Computer code is an algorithm. Adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing are all algorithms. Going to the store and taking the same path each and every time is an algorithm ( altho not a very concrete one ).

Reply #28

ca-dreamin* — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:08:39 GMT

Hey Knucklehead! That's great that he was able to come up with a formula(even though I know you didn't want odds factored in) Was he willing to do more research? Keep reading and don't give up.......soon you'll be writing your own formulas

Reply #27

ca-dreamin* — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:28:10 GMT

WOW!!!!! What kind of math? LOL I'm far from being a Lotto expert but I would say the kind that works! OK getting ideas here! I wouldn't call hitting 4/ 5 several times luck! I would stick with your method and after you select your numbers go back and take another look at that first number to see if there's a better fit. You didn't say if you wheel a set of numbers or if you choose one line of numbers to play. If it's the latter I would play the set of 5 but I would also play one or two other li... [ More ]

Reply #26

KnuckleHead — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:19:25 GMT

I spent approx. 1 1/2 hours with a professor at the local college on Wednesday afternoon (4/8/09). I explained my idea, fairly indepth, to him. He settled on creating a formula that takes odds into the formula. I couldn't steer him off that idea. He also couldn't design the formula that he envisioned without more research.

I have read through more internet posts, some that describe what I'm looking to do, but they have Algorithms in them. I don't know how to write an Algorithm , so I'm doing... [ More ]

Reply #25

rcbbuckeye — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:00:58 GMT

Ok, I'll tell ya'll what I've been doing, with not much success I might add, and maybe someone there smarter than me can suggest a better use for my excel files. Since 2005, I have kept track of each number's position. For example, in MM, the number 2 has played 42 times in the 1st position, and 2 times in the 2nd position. Obviously, a total of 44 times. This is over a total of 444 drawings. So, for each number, I know how many times it's played in each position, and total number of times playe... [ More ]

Reply #24

ca-dreamin* — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:31:04 GMT

Yah I'm trying to keep an open mind to see if anything pops out at me. I still want to see how base numbers fit into all of this and I asked my daughter what algorithms are LOL! I haven't even touched on gap sequence or tried to find a pattern with the +'s and -'s in numbers from one game to the next. I have a tendency to look for overall patterns and from there I spend more time looking at what the ind. numbers are doing. Then it becomes a guessing game as to which numbers I think have the best... [ More ]

Reply #23

RJOh — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:45:45 GMT

Haven't heard from you and was wondering if the professor gave you a dose of reality or what.

Reply #22

thudpucker — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:55:11 GMT

You guy's math vocabulary is killing my head!

Some time ago I wrote down 200 numbers (Ohio's 5 number draw)

I analyzed those 200 for frequency of first number drawn. Whooee, that was exhaustive and I think I pretty well proved to myself that if you used 1,000,000 lines of draw, looking for sequence of first drawn, that all the numbers would line up like a Bell curve. WIth the least drawn numbers on one end, the most drawn on the other end and in the middle of the arc you'd have most of the... [ More ]

Reply #21

GASMETERGUY — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 01:04:46 GMT

I can understand that nothing stands out feeling. There have been several moments when I thought I had gone about as far as I could with the pattern thing. Yet I continued to think about what I had and where I wanted to go.

Soon other ideas popped into my head. Some proved worthwhile whereas others failed miserably. Looking back, I am amazed by what I have done. Yes, I surprised myself.

So keep thinking about your methods. Soon you might think of a pattern and, after back testing, find so... [ More ]

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ca-dreamin* — Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:18:23 GMT

Ok a quick update. I've been looking at Little Lotto 5/39 from 2/1 to present. Normally I look at the last 5 games for an overall view and from there I look to see what the individual numbers are doing. I still want to go back and see what the ind. numbers have been doing(and compare that to the patterns within each line) but for the sake of my above post I looked for patterns within each line and compared the lines.(To see if certain patterns fell together and if that created any other patterns... [ More ]

Reply #19

ca-dreamin* — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:04:02 GMT

Hi Gasmeterguy! You may be on to something! I always look at past drawings for any patterns to help choose the numbers I want to play but.......I've never thought of tracking what patterns were present for each individual draw. Now I'm wondering if certain patterns fall together if that could be used to predict what the next set of patterns will be. A set of patterns within the patterns. LOL I hope I didn't lose you on that one. Definitely another angle to look at! Right now I'm trying to focus... [ More ]

Reply #18

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:29:07 GMT

So you use patterns. That's good ( I think). Do you go one step further and assign a numerical number to those patterns? By numerical number, I mean either a 1 or a 0. I use the number 1 to indicate that the pattern was present for that particular draw and the zero to indicate that the pattern was absent.

Using these binary numbers, I then string them together and determine the decimal equivalent. This step has produce absolutely nothing of value; nothing that I can see. Yet I continue. What... [ More ]

Reply #17

ca-dreamin* — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:51:52 GMT

LOL Knucklehead I was gonna say go to a local university and find a math geek! I wish you the best in getting the answers your looking for

Reply #16

KnuckleHead — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:15:35 GMT

Afternoon ca-dreamin,

Have been reading posts. Decided to place a call to the local college. Have an appointment on Wednesday with a professor of Mathematics Computer Sciences to discuss my idea. Let all of you know what happens... Thank you all for the intrest in my idea...

Reply #15

billybouy — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:05:06 GMT

If you enter a number on a search through the lines you get that number and a lot of other numbers you don't want, if you search for the space of the number you get the spaces that represent that number through the Lotto any Lotto and that is where the true answer lays so if he can find 3 numbers by using numbers try using the space and it may drag up the other numbers with them shown by a space, there are some examples of spaces in my blogs and they give you all 6 numbers.

Reply #14

ca-dreamin* — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:16:42 GMT

Billybouy the space as in tracking the balls by the position they fall in

Reply #13

ca-dreamin* — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:08:02 GMT

Hi Knucklehead. That would be interesting to see if the past numbers could be fed into a math formula to predict the future numbers. (I'm assuming that's what you mean) Maybe you need a trip to the library or better yet the book store to find a book about calculus that would explain the formulas.

Reply #12

billybouy — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:34:19 GMT

Hi my friend you have to use the space not the number and you will find your answer to that and every number.

Reply #11

CowboysFan — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:16:24 GMT

I agree with that as well RJOH. But I for one can say before I started looking at the patterns I had almost no success picking numbers for the Super Lotto Plus. I've had more success this past month picking numbers from patterns I see than I had the previous three years combined when I would randomly just pick numbers.

Reply #10

RJOh — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 00:30:51 GMT

, but first someone has to win a jackpot and come forth to say that is how they picked their winning numbers before many folk would consider it worth the time and effort to pick numbers that way.

Reply #9

CowboysFan — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:42:06 GMT

I think its possible to get the winning numbers based on research and past patterns. I'm starting to look at previous patterns in the Super Lotto Plus and this past month I've gotten 3 of the 6 numbers on one line 3 times in the past month. This past Saturdays drawing I had all 6 numbers within the 5 lines I played with but the best I could do was 2 of 6. It just goes to show me I'm on to something and all it takes is one time to get all 6 numbers on one line.

Reply #8

RJOh — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:05:30 GMT

Sounds like someone has already done the work, all you have to do is plug in the right variables.

C

Example: D = - (Diameter of a circle = its Circumference divided by Pi) was developed

using calculus, but to use it you only have to know D or C, not calculus.

Good luck to you.

Reply #7

KnuckleHead — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:54:06 GMT

As I stated previously, I've found PDF files on line that describe the formulas and their uses, I'm just trying to figure them out...Calculas

Reply #6

ca-dreamin* — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:58:38 GMT

That would be some program but I think there are too many variables involved to fit into one program. ( I always look at the last 5 draws to determine what specifics I'm looking for. It varies every time I choose to play.) Maybe it would be better to write a few smaller programs that look for specific patterns. Then you could compare the results and tweak it from there. I know that's not the answer your looking for but work with what you do know and maybe you can figure out another way to get th... [ More ]

Reply #5

RJOh — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:34:35 GMT

Any pool of numbers short of all the possible numbers is unlikely to have all the winning numbers 100% of the time. Its size and the odds of it having all the winning numbers would be important to a lottery player decision to try it. As I said earlier I would like a way or formula that defines a pool of ~20 numbers that covered all the winning numbers 50% (1:2) of the time, a 12 numbers pool that covered all the winning numbers 10% of the time would be even better.

In MegaMillions, we know th... [ More ]

Reply #4

KnuckleHead — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:40:39 GMT

Morning RJOH, has your picks today?

I don't know if what I'm attempting to do is doable...

I've looked at what I believe to be Calculas formulas in an attempt to discover something that could work for this problem. The main problem is that I'm not familuar with Calculas and how it works. That's something I'm now trying to comprenhend now.

I have seen several formulas that take odds into consideration. I don't understand why odds are needed in a formula to discover a numerical pattern, t... [ More ]

Reply #3

RJOh — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 04:24:17 GMT

I've also tried finding a pattern of winning numbers without any success. The best I've done so far is to pick a pattern at random and apply it to 100 drawings of so to see how often it might apply. For example in MegaMillion I check to see how often numbers that had hit in the previous 15 drawings were in the winning numbers.

numbers that hit in the previous 15 drawings accounted for:

all 5 winning numbers 28% of the time

4/5 winning numbers 38% of the time

3/5 numbers 23% of the ti... [ More ]