Why look at 1000 to get a Straight ? When you only need to look at 317 ..

Reply #41

CARBOB — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:41:45 GMT

You have to be a little crazy to even play this game. Todays crazy idea is using Fla combined draws and last nights draw 151. Betting the 1 repeats in position 3.

POS 3 MAX MED HITS AVG SKIP

TRUE 50 7 86 8.95 50

FALSE 4 1 684 1.13 0

using longest out roots 2,3,4,6, wind up with these

011, 211, 445, 544

Reply #40

WIN D — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:04:12 GMT

Thanks for letting us know about how you used this Bob..... The feedback truly helps everyone else.

Betting on a same position return with one Digit is a killer filter. It's bending the method to fit the current draw personality. It really cuts down on the amount of plays for sure. It's still a bet .....but a good bet in the hands of an experienced player.

Don't try this at home. LOL Carbob is a professional and has many years of serious experience and training .....which enables him to... [ More ]

Reply #39

CARBOB — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:01:55 GMT

Chaz, I screwed up bad for the 6/10/09 Fla Mid draw today. If I would have used this method and played this filter, last draw 692, the second position was due for a repeat. I forgot all about it!!

POS 2 MAX MED HITS AVG SKIP

TRUE 49 7 33 11.76 32

FALSE 3 1 348 1.11 0

If I had been paying attention, these were the combos, only 30!! That burns my cheeks!! Todays draw 592

193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 294, 295, 296, 297, 391, 395, 396, 397, 491, 492, 496, 497, 591, 592, 59... [ More ]

Reply #38

WIN D — Sat, 23 May 2009 19:05:54 GMT

Don't you get it BJ ? I said it was 66% .......and it is .... 66% !

No one cares about other wierd times in other places ...... higher or lower .

They want to know what the ......expected math average is most of the time.... for ALL games .

Your game may be having some kind of nervous breakdown....or where you are in Canada ...it could be run by a bunch of drunken Polar Bears for all they know.

You might be from Tenn .....and not had a double in months.(actually happened) Hmmm... [ More ]

Reply #37

WIN D — Sat, 23 May 2009 17:50:21 GMT

I merely pointed .......????????????????????????????????????????????????

You can't apply a single statistic to every game ??????????????????????????????????????????

Why not ...what do you use BJ....... when speaking about games...in general terms. Question marks

Reply #36

Jack-C — Sat, 23 May 2009 16:40:36 GMT

Whoa. I was not being critical of anything you said. I agree, also, that every situation is different.

Reply #35

BobJones — Sat, 23 May 2009 16:38:06 GMT

I wouldn't call anyone an expert in stats, all you do is stick numbers in a program and it tells you what they did. Nor did I ever say anything he said was wrong. I merely pointed out that WC is only 59%. You can't apply a single statistic to every game because they all draw numbers differently.

Reply #34

Jack-C — Sat, 23 May 2009 16:35:41 GMT

Sure, but since I didn't have any history, I went to a web site that shows the last 30 draws and I used that.

I will say, though, that WIN D is THE EXPERT on LP with stats. I think anyone that has been on here for any length of time will attest to that.

Reply #33

BobJones — Sat, 23 May 2009 16:33:18 GMT

Seems about right, I use the entire history though.

Reply #32

Jack-C — Sat, 23 May 2009 16:31:02 GMT

I just looked at Western Canada draws. I did 30 draws, so there are 29 to compare to the last draw. Of the 29 draws 16 had 1 or more repeat digits. That is 55.2%.

573

067

662

570

809

972

597

883

986

702

163

769

375

266

403

545

960

173

228

088

767

809

584

480

594

614

946

352

146

868

Highlighted numbers have a repeat. If the previous # w... [ More ]

Reply #31

Jack-C — Sat, 23 May 2009 16:08:08 GMT

I just (for grins) checked the draws from yesterday for the states that I keep databases on. For the Midday Evening draws there were 35 results. Of the 35 draws 29 had at least 1 repeat from the previous draw (Midday to Midday, etc.). That means that 82.9% of the draws had a repeat. I know it is not a very large sample, but just wanted to see what the percentage was.

Reply #30

BobJones — Sat, 23 May 2009 15:59:01 GMT

Like I said your game may be different..using Western Canada it is 59% of the time, not 66.66%. It's not that much of a difference but it is a difference.

Reply #29

WIN D — Sat, 23 May 2009 15:52:10 GMT

Little aggressive with the ??????????????????????????????????? question marks there aren't you BJ !

It's more like 59% .........you say . Hmmmm how about that...?

Thanks for your input ! We all appreciate how very much time and effort you must have spent coming up with that ....... correction ..... believe me. Imagine my surprise.

May I suggest you go straight to ...... that Search tool feature at the top of the page. Go back through all the thousands of OLD POST generated by thousa... [ More ]

Reply #28

BobJones — Sat, 23 May 2009 12:46:41 GMT

How did you decide 2 out of every 3 draws a digit returns to the next draw.?????????????????????????

It's more like 59% of the time where I have checked but I am sure every game is different.

Reply #27

WIN D — Sat, 23 May 2009 12:29:28 GMT

OK ..... how can we knock down the Automatic 317 Method ?

Here's an idea ..... Fast and dirty. From 317 all.... the way down to 128 straights in one easy stroke!

If we think of each draw as a HORSE RACE with 3 Gates .

Gate 1,2,3, or A,B,C,

Each gate will represent one of the 3 digits...position 1,2,3

We also know that 2 out of every 3 draws a digit returns to the next draw.

That means ..... each time the winner will come form one of those 3 Gates right?

Well...... [ More ]

Reply #26

LANTERN — Tue, 19 May 2009 22:06:03 GMT

Sorry, but I have changed my mind about that, instead, I might test and re-test prediction programs and then post their predictions, also might try Negative Prediction and post in both ways, it is not easy to master prediction programs that have many variables-options to see what works best and or when-how, so it might be some time before that goes full speed, since I could not post for all the states I would have to pick only 1 or 2 states, if the predictions in time turn out O.K.-better then t... [ More ]

Reply #25

Rakster — Tue, 19 May 2009 01:42:37 GMT

I beleive a lot of people will be interested as this is an interesting concept... Negitive Predictions ..

Reply #24

LANTERN — Tue, 19 May 2009 00:14:52 GMT

If enough people show interest maybe I can again start with filters posts and maybe even show some hands on basics of Negative Prediction , but I feel like I wasted my time before, so there must be some real interest this time.

After all those many old posts and now it seems as if nobody saw or understood them.

Reply #23

LANTERN — Mon, 18 May 2009 23:54:48 GMT

When I was making predictions on the Pick 3 forum and elsewhere, I did not use what WinD calls 50-50 filters, because they have only 2 states or patterns.

I saw that predicting what will come is harder than predicting what won't come.

With a 2 Way Filter it is exactly the same thing, so I could not use 50-50 filters.

Even filters that have 4 patterns are risky to use, those that have 5 or more are better to use and even then filter out only 1 of the patterns, otherwise risk failure.... [ More ]

Reply #22

Rakster — Mon, 18 May 2009 22:51:37 GMT

What is the BEST filter to use to seperate the 317 picks?

I was using the last 1000 draws, but I am a little leary of that one even if it has hit 2 in a row.

I checked the last 1000 draws and 372 of the 1000 only hit once in a 1000 draws... all the rest hit 2 and as many as 6 times in a 1000 draws!

So whats the best filter to use?

I like the filter of 1 or 2 evens or 1 or 2 lows but can't find that filter on lotsoft... or maybe didn't se it

Reply #21

CARBOB — Mon, 18 May 2009 20:28:53 GMT

I have a question for you about the ShortSums wheeler. I get a run-time error whenever I try to use it. I use the regular wheeler.

Reply #20

WIN D — Mon, 18 May 2009 20:14:26 GMT

It looks like your saying that you understand all 3 steps.... I am using Lotsoft software to do it. The Short Sums section..... The wheel ........and positional filters there.

Reply #19

eazy4now — Mon, 18 May 2009 17:59:17 GMT

Hello WinD

I'm not understanding ? What are you using to get to these:

step1 720

step2 527

step3 317

I understand single # 123456 to get 720

I understand using only numbers from last draw to get 520

and understand not using any of the # in same position

thanks Eazy4now

Reply #18

Rakster — Mon, 18 May 2009 01:36:57 GMT

It hit again str8 with 123 sets ($25.75 cost online)

972

Subtracting the last 1000 draws works well as a reduction tool

Reply #17

Rakster — Sun, 17 May 2009 20:18:16 GMT

Using that reduction tool flast7 really makes life simpler doesn't it!..hahaha

Our main concern now is which side of the 50-50 to play on.

Reply #16

WIN D — Sun, 17 May 2009 19:08:24 GMT

Last night Ga eve draw was 463 .....

Although it is more than time for a double...... I went ahead as if it was not .....and with the single number reduction of Straights.

317 ....plus several more filters later and we are now able to arrive at a playable group.

024 035 037 042 046 048 084 086 136 147 149 174

196 206 240 246 284 305 307 316 318 350 358 370

396 530 604 620 631 640 642 680 682 714 730 741 749 794

804 824 826 831 835 846 916 936 941 947 974

Reply #15

WIN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 15:57:50 GMT

I already posted several of the early winners up there last night using this system.... other late winners were :

AZ 583/468

NB 743/839

PR 312/183

Poor old AG.....and WC eve hit with 702/986 last night was a NO digit return.

That was a win for all the mean old ugly people ... LOL If they played the 35 boxes that come when no digits return .......or one or all of the 210 straights that result on those occations ..... they won.

Hey.....ugly people got to eat too

Reply #14

GASMETERGUY — Fri, 15 May 2009 15:19:39 GMT

Well, don't stop now.

What happened

Reply #13

luckyladyga — Fri, 15 May 2009 03:03:26 GMT

what's good for midday tommorrow folowing our 425 in ga

Reply #12

Amazing Grace — Fri, 15 May 2009 03:02:25 GMT

It would have only got rid of 16 more combos in this case.

Reply #11

Amazing Grace — Fri, 15 May 2009 02:47:44 GMT

WIN D I filtered it out and could not find my number thay all dissappeared LOL

Reply #10

Amazing Grace — Fri, 15 May 2009 02:44:12 GMT

What if we also got rid of the top 5 pairs out.

Reply #9

WIN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 02:06:08 GMT

It's still early .....but so far tonight there are already several Eveining games that would have gotten their straight hits . The states that get doubles tonight ......won't be finished until the next Single straight hits.

DL .... 472/ 817

Fla.... 386/879

MD.... 749/217

OH..... 073/627

Reply #8

WIN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 21:36:37 GMT

The winning Straight will always be in the 317 generic straights most draws. Period.

It makes no difference it you combine Eve/Midday draws or not...... as long as you do it consistently... you could combine 5 , 10 , or 50 states.

Any filters past that point....... are up to the trackers and their own instincts and specific state filters.

If they use just one more 50/50 filter after they arrive at 317 straights and clear around 150 reduced straights..... they will ha... [ More ]

Reply #7

diamondpalace — Thu, 14 May 2009 21:05:17 GMT

Good work. Live test it for a week and calculate cost vs profit for consistency. Depending on certain state's and mid/eve single and double ratio are different, which may reduce the profit margin. Consider picking one state and give it one week live test with the full filtering of what was mentioned, and allow to see if this progressive play can be a money making system. I see potential.

Reply #6

WIN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 20:52:47 GMT

Sure ..... there are dozens of filters one could use from this point on. Getting to here has been mostly generic up til now. It would fit in most games regardless of specific state game history.

I guess it would be better for each state's players to do there own filters going forward from here. Depending on their timing and temperatures.

If WC eve wanted to go with one of the digits in last nights draw... 702 for example...... they would find that using just one digit would give them .... [ More ]

Reply #5

jayemmar — Thu, 14 May 2009 20:32:55 GMT

Why not try using the key numbers as a filter, (see thread under Systems- Generating A Set Of Key Nubers For The P3).

jayemmar

Reply #4

WIN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 19:57:28 GMT

Thanks CarBob !

I'm just happy someone's out there that can follow my dis-jointed ..... discriptions ! Really... LOL

Here is a deal for WC eve tonight using last night's draw of 702 . Hope on a single straight hit....no doubles. This will be a LIVE demo for dear old AG up there. LOL

A Live Demo for WC evening draw using last night's702

Blah Blah Blah... here are the straights ... LOL

317 ..... we'll let AG use what ever 50/50 filter they think is best to knoc... [ More ]

Reply #3

CARBOB — Thu, 14 May 2009 19:41:03 GMT

Chaz, I am going to nominate you for the Lottery Hall Of Fame. No one on this forum can compare with your analysis.

Reply #2

WIN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 19:20:24 GMT

Here is an example of the method using the GA Midday draw of yesterday which was064 .

The first step using Single numbers only ....that do not contain any of those digits in the same position takes us down to 527 straights for next draw ..... Always.

Then, we only use numbers that DO contain those digits of 0,6,,and 4 in our wheel. That takes us down to 327 straight singles. Always...

Now.....we apply a 50/50 filter of some kind..... in this case we used the Mostly Odd number straigh... [ More ]

Reply #1

WIN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 18:22:53 GMT

158 straights still.....just tooooo many numbers for ya ?

So is starting with out 1000 straights each day....but that doesn't stop you right ! LOL

These are straights not boxes right ?

Remember ......Playing 20 box numbers is equal to 120 straight plays ... correct?

No....wrong ..... they are not.... boxes only pay 40 bucks. LOL

Why look at 1000 to get a Straight ? When you only need to look at 317 ..

WIN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 17:55:35 GMT

Peel it off ....one easy step at a time .

Why start off looking at1000 Pick 3 numbers each day for your STRAIGHT numbers to play ?

Why start off with a 1000 straights ......when you can do it a lot easier with only 317 most of the time ?

OK then ......

We already know that .......Most of the time at least one digit will repeat in the next draw right........ just not in the same postion as the last draw?

Well then ....if wewheel just the single numbers that have one of t... [ More ]