How would you re-create these 2 groups the fastest way ?

Reply #18

johnph77 — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:39:03 GMT

I've created the Excel file that does this. Any two five number groups can be entered. Excel output is in text form, allowing for leading zeroes in the output. PM me with Excel version and Email address if interested in a copy.

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Reply #17

rindo — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:48:30 GMT

When I could not find any tool to do this, I created an Excel model to genretare these groups. My results for 14589 are:

DOUBLES/TRIPLES

98 85 84 81 95 94 91 54 51 41 1 4 5 8 9

0 980 850 840 810 950 940 910 540 510 410 011 044 055 088 099

1 981 851

841 951 941 541 111 144 155 188 199

2 982 852 842 821 952 942 921 542 521 421 211 244 255 288 299

3 983 853 843 831 953 943 931 543 531 431 311 344 355 388 399

4 984 854 954 411

Reply #16

johnph77 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:45:46 GMT

That explains that, at least to me. Based on what we've posted, particularly with regard to the pairs within each alpha groups, there has to be 500 3-digit possibilities utilizing any two or three numbers from each alpha group. And that is true no matter what five single-digit integers comprise an alpha group. As long as there no doubles within that alpha group, there cannot be any number of 3-digit possibilities other than 500.

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Reply #15

WIN D — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:41:40 GMT

Sounds like the LP deflate version is the only one that can do it quickly Jap69 .

Thanks ..... and I hope this helps more folks to realize the power they can create in tracking with this sort of 50/50 group and quickly.

We just can't have too many 50/50 filters.

Reply #14

JAP69 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:35:42 GMT

This is from the trial version of search past results. I forgot we can play with trial versions.

Pairs .. 98 95 94 91 85 84 81 54 51 41

Draw Date State Game Results

Fri, Apr 30, 2004 South Carolina Midday 3 6-1-8

Thu, Apr 29, 2004 South Carolina Pick 3 8-1-7

Wed, Apr 28, 2004 South Carolina Midday 3 4-2-5

Tue, Apr 27, 2004 South Carolina Pick 3 4-2-5

Sat, Apr 24, 2004 South Carolina Pick 3 1-8-5

Mon, Apr 19, 2004 South Carolina Pick 3 4-8-6

Thu, Apr 15,

Reply #13

JAP69 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:19:19 GMT

Let me try it again with two more ideas but it takes an advanced membership to do it. Now if I can remember correctly on their use.

The deflate 3 option has pair filters I remember. Just click your ten pairs desired will pull the numbers in the group. You can deflate past history of the ten pairs. You can copy and paste the 220 combos in the deflate 3 and use the ten pair filter.

Search past results I think you can enter up to ten pairs [any order I think]. That will pull the number histor... [ More ]

Reply #12

WIN D — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:50:32 GMT

rindo.....

thanks for the info on the free Wheel Engine info from Lotteryusa.... but I am pretty sure that wheel runs into the same problem in recreating the Alpha groups ...... it simply spits out an uneven wheel result using 5 digits ......the results end up being 60 singles ...60 doubles and 5 trips for each ... which are not the right totals.

I could be wrong and you could be doing something with it I don't know about .....but from what I see it is limited as well.

Although ....... [ More ]

Reply #11

JAP69 — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:40:07 GMT

Another method is for a programmer to program a tracking system in excell or a lottery program. The programmer would need to do a conversion formula for each group number. Otherwise it would take forever to do the conversion manualy. Something along the line of your lottery program that separates other data that we all know about. Would just be an added filter to your current program.

Reply #10

JAP69 — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:55:18 GMT

Simply assign a tracking number for each group.

use your abc method in a code for str8 tracking.

just an example here

group A 123

Group B 456

Georgia (GA) Midday 3 Past Winning Numbers Draw Date Results

Wed, Jun 17, 2009 2-8-6 456

Tue, Jun 16, 2009 7-7-7 456

Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8-8-2 123

Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8-7-8 123

Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6-3-4 456

Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1-0-9 123

Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3-1-9 123

Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2-2-6 456

Tue, Jun 09, 2009 0-9-4 123

Reply #9

WIN D — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:48:24 GMT

Thank you johnph77. The significance was intended to be on the question itself .....and ..... if one could recreate the 2 groups already there. They were already broken down into their only possible groups..... i.e. doubles, trips, and singles. It also ask the reader how they would approach recreating those 2 specific groups in the question.

Perhaps.... I should have left out the 5 digits all together ......and just started with the 10 pairs only. This way ....it would have forced the reader... [ More ]

Reply #8

johnph77 — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:14:45 GMT

Then obviously I've failed to see the significance of the two alpha groups when forming three-digit combinations. But

There are 125 different three-digit combinations possible using only numbers contained in alpha group 1. This includes doubles and triples.

There are 375 different three-digit combinations possible using any two numbers from alpha group 1 and one number from alpha group 2. The two numbers from alpha group 1 can be a double.

There are 375 different three-digit combination... [ More ]

Reply #7

WIN D — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:08:44 GMT

Do you think you could recreate these 2 groups in a fast easy way ? How would you do it ?

Sorry johnph77 .... I naturally thought you were attempting to answer the question in my post up there dealing with this specific 50/50 group first demonstrated and ....... already broken down into parts.

Maybe we can discuss the break down on your sort of group and how to recreate it .....later on down the road.

For right now however .... perhaps we should keep our focus on this particular 50... [ More ]

Reply #6

johnph77 — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:35:22 GMT

WinD -

quote Sorry Johnph77 .......... your numbers don't add up correctly to make a balanced 50/50 group totaling 1000 numbers. Each of your groups totals 545 numbers ....each. ?? Totals of 545 x 2 = 1090 /quote

They're not supposed to. Each set of 125 3-digit combinations I listed utilize only the numbers available from that 5-digit group.

The 60 no-match numbers list all six of the permutations possible in the ten no-match possibilities available from each 5-digit group. The 60 dou... [ More ]

Reply #5

CARBOB — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:49:06 GMT

Chaz,

I'm not sure I completely understand, but this is my take. If you use a wheel program and insert Group 1 digits in Pos 1, You end up with 500 combos. This is Group 1. Am I anywhere close to what you are trying to do?

102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 120, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 132, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 142, 143, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 152, 153, 154, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 162, 163, 164, 165, 167, 168, 169, 170, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176,... [ More ]

Reply #4

WIN D — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:59:49 GMT

Sorry Johnph77 .......... your numbers don't add up correctly to make a balanced 50/50 group totaling 1000 numbers. Each of your groups totals 545 numbers ....each. ?? Totals of 545 x 2 = 1090

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Several years ago I set out to make a new 50/50 numbers group for Pick 3 game as I indicated above. The numbers I listed up there were the result of that goal.

I finally succeeded ......and came up with a perfectly balanced 50/50 group. I have attempted over the years to have this group... [ More ]

Reply #3

johnph77 — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:03:05 GMT

In any group of five numbers there are 125 possible 3-number permutations ranging from triples through doubles to non-repeating combinations.

For the groups you cite, they are:

14589

111 114 115 118 119 141 144 145 148 149 151 154 155 158 159 181 184 185 188 189 191 194 195 198 199

411 414 415 418 419 441 444 445 448 449 451 454 455 458 459 481 484 485 488 489 491 494 495 498 499

511 514 515 518 519 541 544 545 548 549 551 554 555 558 559 581 584 585 588 589 591 594 595 598 599

Reply #2

WIN D — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:36:46 GMT

ThanksCarBob....

I wanted to understand the different methods someone would use to create those numbers from those 10 pairs up there on those 2 groups Alpha 1 and 2 ...... using both singles, doubles ....and trips.

That is ....after all a new 50/50 group and it should be another good tool in our Pick 3 tool belt. We have a very limited amount of 50/50 tools after all......at least the ones that are known .....and common to all of us here at LP.

It occurred to me that the reason it

Reply #1

CARBOB — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:24:56 GMT

Chaz, I missed this post. What do you mean recreate

How would you re-create these 2 groups the fastest way ?

WIN D — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:18:04 GMT

Do you think you could recreate these 2 groups in a fast easy way ? How would you do it ?

Alpha Group 1

Digits ....( 98541) ... Pairs .. 98 95 94 91 85 84 81 54 51 41

019, 145, 389, 479, 569, 578, 128, 146, 245, 489, 579, 048, 129, 138, 147, 156, 345, 589, 049, 058, 139, 148, 157, 689, 059, 149, 158, 248, 789, 014, 159, 168, 249, 258, 348, 456, 015, 169, 178, 259, 349, 358, 457, 089, 124, 179, 359, 458, 125, 134, 189, 459, 468, 018, 045, 135, 289, 469, 478, 568

055, 118, 244... [ More ]