How many pre-test draws are normal?

Reply #39

PERDUE — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:58:04 GMT

TX post the pretests at least 1 hour before the drawing. The last time I checked the site before a drawing the pretests were posted in advance. Anything less than 30 minutes is no good for me.

Reply #38

four4me — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:08:11 GMT

Then i suggest you get tight with someone that works for the lottery everybody knows somebody that knows somebody that works somewhere. Like where i get my numbers a representative comes to the place once or twice a month sometimes in the mornings sometimes in the afternoon and sometimes in the evening this lottery representative also visits every lottery retailer in our district. I make it a point to pump this person for all the inside info i can get when i am there when they are.

Who says t... [ More ]

Reply #37

pamelab — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:14:26 GMT

Exactly, my spreadsheet is heavily relying on stats and with the true results not being published all my stat work in no good. The due number or most frequent number have probably hit in the fake draw.

Reply #36

pamelab — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:03:30 GMT

I agree with you totally. That is my thoughts exactly. And I am steaming about this that I can't even express it. I do workouts, spreadsheets, everything I can think of and this explains why its always a number off. You don't have a true statistic because you don't know what the actual follow up number was. Now it seems like VA is not the same.

Reply #35

joker17 — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:42:04 GMT

A good argument could be made by the lottery is their procedures are their intellectual property and not to be disclosed. Since they admit to changing tubes and holding pre draws and after draws their admitting to the public that they conduct these things be in accordance with whatever by laws they have in their proprietary contract.

Well maybe they shouldn't hide behind fancy law' jargon and supposed contract obligations and just cut the crap. The people aren't stupid, well, atleast the astu... [ More ]

Reply #34

four4me — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:04:05 GMT

Sorry it took so long to reply to this i was in the hospital for a little over a week.

A good argument could be made by the lottery is their procedures are their intellectual property and not to be disclosed. Since they admit to changing tubes and holding pre draws and after draws their admitting to the public that they conduct these things be in accordance with whatever by laws they have in their proprietary contract.

Lotteries have data bases where the drawing info is kept Mary... [ More ]

Reply #33

Ms5PennieGen — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:14:43 GMT

Speaking about pre-test in Texas. Winning number can be pulled from the pretest in Texas if they would only post in time before draw break. Right now in Texas, it is 12:13 and draw break is 12:15 and no pre test posted.

Reply #32

joker17 — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:16:07 GMT

You make good points. However, If they have nothing to hide, why not publish the the rotation of the tubes and pre-test results? Sounds reasonably fair to me.

It'll never happen because I know their intentions. I don't care what anyone says. On just about every state's lottery website, you can find a ton of info about the draw numbers, and a lot of other info. How hard can it possibly be for them to add the pre-test and rotation info to the existing information? I'll answer the question for y... [ More ]

Reply #31

pumpi76 — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:51:50 GMT

This just made me realize that if you want to work hard on a system to win the Pick5, Pick6 or Powerball you got to look at the pre-test drawings...Something that was right infront of me and i never paid it any attention...

You know something else the state lottery can do which is SO SIMPLE and they dont have to track every combination that each player makes?Want to know what is it?

They can simple change slightly the information that's on their website, slightly change the drawings that's... [ More ]

Reply #30

recoveryroad — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:01:00 GMT

This is something I have wondered myself. It may sound paranoid, but is there any real way to prove that nothing is being rigged at all in these games?

I mean, how could any of us truly be able to know whether or not our local state lotteries have computers setup that they turn to before each drawing, which comb through all the combinations purchased, and then display the combinations that were purchased the least, which ones weren't purchased at all, or better yet...determine the winning co... [ More ]

Reply #29

paurths — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:42:38 GMT

If they would post the pre-test results (and any other test-results) at least a few hours before the actual draw, that would be great, then they can do as many pre-tests as they like for all i care, i would take them into my statistics, and they would look alot different then.

Some statistics go really into the extreme because of the lack of draws in the database. They violate all the tests i have done so far with an own RNG.

If for example a set of 100 numbers stay out for 140 draws, then... [ More ]

Reply #28

Stack47 — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:09:07 GMT

Reply #27

Stack47 — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:40:08 GMT

When the pick-3 game first started in Ohio I needed a 3 digit number from 000 to 999 to play and chose the 3 digit number on my license plate and then I sat back and hoped the random 3 digit number that was drawn, matched my number. I've always thought the idea was to have a random drawing so every player's number had a fair and equal chance of being drawn. Players want to see the a live drawing and if the machinery fails, the drawing must be done off air.

The design of the payoffs gives the... [ More ]

Reply #26

pumpi76 — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:20:29 GMT

Also never thought about this but Powerball is a: Pick5/59 + Pick1/43 that's correct but if it has pretests let's say it has 5 pretests is more like a: Pick5/59 + Pick1/43 + Pick1/5...

you are probably going to say: that's not true..Really well what if it had 1 million pretest then what are you going to say? You see it now...

does a hacker have to climb that? no probably something like a Pick3 or Pick4...While a lotto gambler has to climb like how you all saw a: 600 million odds just to wi... [ More ]

Reply #25

pumpi76 — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:46:27 GMT

not only that...A hacker hacks something or a big place if he gets caught he risks some time in prison...If you come out with a system that can crack the lotto you risk GETTING KILLED FOR IT....and maybe they will not do anything to you in the USA but try that crap of people knowing that you got a system that can crack the lotto try that in parts of Africa or Irak, or Pakistan or maybe Colombia or maybe Brazil maybe Russia...try and you will see....

a hacker can do his work at the comfort of

Reply #24

pumpi76 — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:27:42 GMT

I play lottery, i am a lottery player AND YET i feel like a hacker...where you got to watch over your back, becareful they dont catch you, be one step ahead of their contrameasures, trying to sneak in without been detected or sounding the alarm those are all characteristics of a hacker and yet i feel like a hacker with all those pretest, they spying on you, they having cameras on the gas stations...you probably heard me mentioned it on my blog several times...AND YET UNLIKE A HACKER I A PAYING F... [ More ]

Reply #23

pumpi76 — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:00:42 GMT

I just thought about this...Pre-test can be tricky or a trap also for like Pick5 and Pick6 games...I dont know if every combination play is recorded...But they can play the first pretest and check if there is a winner and check from what location the winner is comming from...They do it again and if the winner is coming from the same location it will raise suspicion...If they do it a third time and is coming from the same location/city they will know something is up...Not that they can go chasing... [ More ]

Reply #22

four4me — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:35:43 GMT

In Maryland a draw person enters the locked secured ball room with other members of the draw team and fires up a computer then a program on that PC when activated tells them what machines and balls sets will be used for the midday drawing. A four hour long treatment of the balls and machines is accomplished, weighing and measuring the balls etc. This is an every day twice a day 365 days a year event for pick 3/4/5, pick 6 games twice a week 52 weeks.

I'm glad they do it i hope they continue t... [ More ]

Reply #21

LANTERN — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:49:01 GMT

To me the worst thing is not how many pre-tests, post-tests, change of balls and machines they do, they could do a Million of them every-day and that would not help them any at all.

The real problem is that they have a way of knowing if they want to which or what combinations were bought way before the drawings, again another reason to want to play online, but not with the state lotteries.

Yes, a Billion pre-tests and another Billion post-tests would not matter as much as their being able

Reply #20

four4me — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:54:39 GMT

I heard Buddy Roogow the former lottery director say the industry standard is three pre draws one official drawing and three after draws all recorded all archived. Exactly how many states do it i not sure. Contact them with your question they will probably oblige you

Reply #19

four4me — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:51:06 GMT

While i do know lot about Garron plastics lottery machines and balls i don't know if their machines have replaceable tubes. If i remember correctly their fixed in place. I could be wrong as in the old days they might have been but i haven't inspected one in a while.... about 5 years ago i was at the Maryland state fair and they did a drawing there and you could get within three feet of them.

Personally i don't care if they take the machines completely apart reassemble them with new or old com... [ More ]

Reply #18

Tenaj — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:12:53 GMT

It's a given to test the machines to see if they work properly. It's the number of times it's done is what is in question. Is so many necessary? And how many other states have as many pre-test draws as NC.

Reply #17

LANTERN — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:00:07 GMT

One more reason to want to play online, if your state does pre-tests and post-tests or just too many pre-tests, maybe you would like to play another game where they do few pre-tests and no post-tests, I am aware of the changing of ball sets and machines and that is bad, but that does not mean that because of that, we have to like or at least not be bothered by pre and post tests.

I also know that random is said to be unpredictable and mostly lottery random, in which case it does not matter at... [ More ]

Reply #16

joker17 — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:13:59 GMT

That's another problem I forgot to address. Tube rotation.

I wish I had the article from the Daily News in N.Y. when I lived there. The issue in the article pertained to a question posed by a reader asking about tube rotations and why they decided to stop showing the new configuration of the tubes for the next drawing. There was a time when they would show the public what tubes were being used and what position, and then one day they decided to stop publishing that info. When asked why, a lot... [ More ]

Reply #15

Dead_Aim — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:40:36 GMT

It is true about the balls and machines being traded out but the difference between them are minuscule. The blowers have to be within a certain range and the balls have to weigh within a certain amount and we are talking very little differences they are allowed.

As far as pre-testing, it is not so much to see if the machine is working as to make sure you don't have the same numbers pop up over and over. For example, 3 sets of double 7s might trigger another drawing because of the 7s popping o... [ More ]

Reply #14

RJOh — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:34:50 GMT

Losers see their numbers come up in one of the pretest drawings and think they might have won if that drawing had been official and the winners are glad the pretest drawings weren't the official drawing.

Odds are if a pick3 player watched 4 or 5 drawings pretest or official and plays 10 lines, all of the numbers in one of his lines are likely to be in one of the drawings 20-30% of the time.

Reply #13

four4me — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:05:25 GMT

people think it's an unfair disadvantage for them to do pre test. I beg to differ because they change balls and machines for every drawing. The machine that was used for pick 3 might be in a pick 4 spot in position 2 and so on. The balls they used for tomorrows afternoon drawing might be locked in a cabinet and not used for 10 drawings from the midday drawing. pre tests are a part of the security measures.

Reply #12

justxploring — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:43:07 GMT

I've always been opposed to pre-tests. Anything can go wrong before or during the drawing. I don't think having pre-tests is a ploy, but I do believe they throw off the randomness of the game. Randomness is supposed to be objective unpredictable. So, by running tests to make sure the unpredictable doesn't happen, they take away the randomness.

Reply #11

four4me — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:21:57 GMT

On numerous occasions the Maryland's ball machines lottery failed to turn on. Several times the ball didn't pop up possibly a vacuum problem once some idiot behind the pick 3 machine stepped on the electric cord and the plug pulled out of the socket.

I'm sure on many instances this happened in other states as well or something similar I've seen You-tube vids of a ball completely flying out of the machine..

It is pretty much an industry standard in all states that use balls to conduct pre t... [ More ]

Reply #10

Tenaj — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:59:15 GMT

I hope this is not becoming a common practice. Too bad there is not a cap of how many pre-test/post draws can be performed.

Reply #9

rdgrnr — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:49:33 GMT

There would be evidence of ball or machine tampering if 333 came up repeatedly before or after the drawing. Ideally, there should be a standard maintained by all states to instill confidence in the game. It's highly doubtful anyone would tamper either way (with test draws before or after). The dadgum machine ain't nothing but a blower and a bunch of ping pong balls. What is there to break down

Reply #8

joker17 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:10:59 GMT

There's nothing normal about any amount of pre-tests. What a scam this is. I've said this a thousand times. It's just a ploy to throw off the natural flow of numbers.

The crap about making sure the machine is working properly is rediculous. If a machine is going to break down, it'll break down no matter how many times you pre-test it. In fact, they are aiding the breakdown by conducting multiple pretests every day, sometimes twice a day.

There is no such thing as perpetual moti... [ More ]

Reply #7

four4me — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:50:49 GMT

so you would want to get in on the fix!

you wouldn't mind having them black out the drawing when the machine fails to work for some reason. Then they draw the balls off the air and broadcast the numbers on their website. Yea i bet people would jump for joy for that.

If 333 showed up in three pre test draws, the official draw and the after draw then there could possibly be ball or machine tampering going on.

Reply #6

rdgrnr — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:31:53 GMT

I don't think there should be any test draws prior to the official draw.

They can prove the balls or machine isn't fixed with additional draws after the official draw. I would have more faith in a system like that.

Reply #5

hesperides — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:37:00 GMT

Texas

funny thing is that a few triples we are expecting show up on the pre-test

Reply #4

LANTERN — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:25:08 GMT

I could not find the pretest information, do they post it?

What they do is rotten.

A game can be fixed in that way.

Keep on doing pretests until a number that few people bought comes out.

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4 Pretests before the draw is bad enough, there should not be any more pretests after the actual draw.

I guess there is no such thing as an actual draw anymore.

Reply #3

jim695 — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:46:09 GMT

I don't know how you'd define what's normal, but the number of pre-test and post-test drawings performed is entirely up to the lottery director in each state. As an engineer, I'd think one pre-test draw and one post-test draw would be sufficient to ensure the machines are working properly. PowerBall also performs three pre-test draws and another one after the actual prize drawing, so in that respect I suppose one could say the schedule you've outlined is normal.

Personally, I think they do i... [ More ]

Reply #2

hesperides — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:45:26 GMT

Texas has 4 pre-tests before each drawing.

Reply #1

destinycreation — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:28:28 GMT

How do Pretest draws affect the actual drawing

How many pre-test draws are normal?

Tenaj — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:15:05 GMT

I'm curious to know how many pre-test draws in the pick 3 and 4 games are normal? NC have 3 pre-test draws before the draw. The 4th is the draw and they do another one after that and said that if things didn't look right they will do another one. Is that normal? How many pre-test draws are normal.