Information Theory and Lotto

Reply #61

GASMETERGUY — Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:30:11 GMT

I was asked how I use Padovan numbers. I track them with zero's and 1's. In my Excel spreadsheet, I put a 0 if the draw did not contain a Padovan number and a 1 if it did.

At this point, I have no idea what to do with that information. As soon as an idea forms in my foggy, bottom brain (I'm from Tennessee, don't you know), I will test the idea. If the results are worth printing out, I will post them here.

There is something about all those 0's and 1's that smack of binary numbers. Just how... [ More ]

Reply #60

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 00:27:19 GMT

Christathios

I understand what Coin Toss said and I have to agree with him. Random is as random does.

Where he is mistaken concerns me looking for consistency. I am not looking for consistency. I am looking at information buried within any 5 numbers out of a total of 39 numbers. I am looking for facts which may be true for one set of 5 numbers but not true of another set of 5 numbers. Hapy Numbers is one such set of facts. Padovan numbrs are another. Odd or even sums, high number, low numb... [ More ]

Reply #59

Christathios — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 00:13:27 GMT

I think Coin Toss pretty much summed it up.

Reply #58

edge — Mon, 31 May 2010 01:39:28 GMT

Have strong reasons to believe upcoming Mega Sequence will hit with upwards 4 Padovan numbers (in fact I have never left and been tracking major games ever since)

The issue is not if they occur but when they do the complementary numbers are extremely difficult to co-pair, sometimes they occur as consecutive numbers

Their distribution in mega is somewhat oscillatory, in the power ball less so (unfortunately because of it's enormous jackpot and my reliance on that sequence)

It is all real... [ More ]

Reply #57

edge — Mon, 31 May 2010 01:30:05 GMT

very good thread

Reply #56

GASMETERGUY — Sun, 30 May 2010 00:36:02 GMT

Only the number 1 is the same. They are different. They hit about as often as Padovan numbers which, if I remember right, is about 65% of the time.

Reply #55

RJOh — Sat, 29 May 2010 03:25:05 GMT

The results are quite close to those obtained using Padovan numbers.

Do you mean happy numbers were almost the same as the Padovan numbers or they won almost as often as the Padovan numbers

Reply #54

GASMETERGUY — Sat, 29 May 2010 03:07:56 GMT

Has anyone heard of Happy Numbers ? They are similar to Padovan numbers. There is an equation that generates these Happy Numbers. Just Google Happy Numbers and you will find the equation and the numbers generated by the equation.

Happy numbers are one of those skewed patterns I just love to use. The results are quite close to those obtained using Padovan numbers.

Reply #53

RJOh — Thu, 06 May 2010 00:03:07 GMT

Also, sound coming from a source that's approaching you has its waves compressed giving it a higher pitch then when it's departing from you stretching out its waves which gives it a lower pitch. A good example of this if you've ever gone to the Indy 500 time trials and stood in snake pit near the track and listened to the pitch of the car engines as they approach and depart from near your position at 180+ mph.

Reply #52

Xtraterrestrial — Wed, 05 May 2010 12:07:53 GMT

One must consider distance...the source and destination. Sound travels and while in route...it changes shape.

Regards,

X

Reply #51

LANTERN — Wed, 05 May 2010 05:01:30 GMT

The more combinations that a game has, the more kinds of filters that can be developed and used.

As the pick 3 game has only 1000 straight combinations there are more limits to what filters can be used for it.

People don't seem to be very willing to develop extensive filter systems for jackpot kind of games and maybe not even for the pick 4 game.

They have even put limits on what they have done for the pick 3 game, but what they have done for the pick 3 game is much more than what they... [ More ]

Reply #50

LANTERN — Wed, 05 May 2010 04:33:36 GMT

Of course I have never seen a Sums Chart for any jackpot game, but it in a way might be similar to the Sums Chart of the pick 3 game, that is that:

Most combinations might be on the middle sums

Maybe not too much use trying to filter out the Lower and the Higher Sums as they are already mostly filtered out by the game itself, because most combinations are on the middle sums.

Instead, if you could find out which of the sums and mostly which of the middle sums have a lower chance for th... [ More ]

Reply #49

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 05 May 2010 02:35:13 GMT

Different digits 4-7

Total digits 7-10

Number of decades in combinations 2-4

Sums of numbers in combinations 55-150

Range of gap sizes 1-17

Range cover by numbers in combination 15-39

Wow, RJOH. I never thought about these patterns. Thanks for sharing. If I come up with something useful, you will be the first to know.

Reply #48

RJOh — Tue, 04 May 2010 16:02:39 GMT

Three analogies not done on that Georgia pick5 combination are:

1) total number of digits in combination are 7

2) number of different digits in combination are 6

3) number of decades in the combination are 2

I looked at Ohio Rolling Cash5 (5/39) and picked these parameters that cover 95% of previous winners (1898 drawings).

Different digits 4-7

Total digits 7-10

Number of decades in combinations 2-4

Sums of numbers in combinations 55-150

Range of gap sizes 1-17

Rang... [ More ]

Reply #47

GASMETERGUY — Mon, 03 May 2010 17:39:35 GMT

Of course there is more. Most of it came from your previous posts. And there is more than I have yet to uncover.

Even after finding this more , I will still have the problem of what to do with the information.

Take the old, proverbial flipping of a coin. That is a 50-50 pattern. Not much one can do with a 50-50 pattern. I would go so far as to say there is nothing one can do with a 50-50 pattern. But take that same coin toss only with a loaded coin. Now the pattern might be 75-25. There i... [ More ]

Reply #46

LANTERN — Sun, 02 May 2010 01:47:17 GMT

Is there information buried within five numbers drawn from a pool of 39? Let s find out.

Here are five numbers taken from the Georgia Pick 5 game for December 30,2009

6-8-9-20-27

What possible information can we extract from them?

1) These five numbers will add to a sum. In this instance the sum is 70 OK INFO

2) The sum (The Right Digit) will be either odd or even OK INFO

3) The lowest number happens to be an even number OK INFO

4... [ More ]

Reply #45

GASMETERGUY — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 01:55:36 GMT

Aw, pick4hawk, therein lies the rub.

The short answer is maybe. The long answer is yes and no. The proper answer is there will be times when the number of combinations are affordable and there will be times when the number of combinations are not affordable . On those ocassions when the number of combinations exceeds 100, I plan on staying home. Only when there are 50 or less combinations and the jackpot is worth the two hour drive to Georgia, will I play.

Early on, during my research I fo... [ More ]

Reply #44

pick4hawk — Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:34:24 GMT

Hello GASMETERGUY:

I have read this entire thead. Patterns exist in jackpot games, however will they lower the number of combinations enough to win?

Hawk

Reply #43

GASMETERGUY — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:05:04 GMT

On another post mention was made of Padovan numbers. I did a Yahoo search and found how these numbers were found. I won't bother anyone with the formula mainly becuase I don't understand it myself. For more information, look under Do Patterns Form in Jackpot Games in the Jackpot Games forum.

I incorporated this idea into my Georgia P5 Excel program. I am still trying to determine whether this pattern is useful.

I did notice that my example in my initial post does have a Padovan number; th... [ More ]

Reply #42

GASMETERGUY — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 01:00:31 GMT

Numbertree, I read your post and agree with what you are thinking. Right now I am applying my technique to the Georgia P5 game with the expectation that my algorithym will carry over to Powerball, MegaMillions, and all the P6 games with little or no modifications. Georgia is my test lab so to speak. Until the day arrives that I can truely say I can make the P5 game profitable, I will not be looking at any other lotto game.

Thanks for the suggestions. I appreciated them. I get so little feed-b... [ More ]

Reply #41

pumpi76 — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:32:58 GMT

numbertree...

I like that name...cool name...i think about it all the time everytime i see a tree without leafs

Reply #40

NumberTree — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:14:10 GMT

Hi there GASMETERGUY,

I have been following this thread for a while now, just lurking in the background, and I want to offer you some advice.

I see that you are playing/analysing Georgia Fantasy 5 which is a (5/39) lottery game. If I were you I would start looking at the Georgia Win For Life lottery game. Georgia Win For Life is a (6/42 + 1 Bonus ball) lottery game.

Now before anyone says anything I can see that the Georgia Win For Life game doesn't pay the winnings for 1... [ More ]

Reply #39

GASMETERGUY — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:43:22 GMT

Thanks, hennybogan. I needed that

Reply #38

hennybogan — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:04:35 GMT

Gasmeterguy, you are on the right path. I believe that whoever can relate FRACTALS to the lottery will

be the all time winner. As mortals, we all believe everything is random. However, the truth is NOTHING

IN THIS WORLD IS REALLY RANDOM. Just because no one has discovered the pattern yet does not mean

one does not exist. The only success I have experienced playing Pick 3 and Pick 4 has been the use of

patterns. One software product I used helped me win by plotting 3 GRAPHS. I noticed... [ More ]

Reply #37

RJOh — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:01:02 GMT

Be patient, once you win a jackpot they will start paying more attention to your posts.

Reply #36

GASMETERGUY — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:22:51 GMT

I do not think there is anyone here that is treading the path I am. I feel that I am all alone. When I make a post regarding patterns and how we might deal with them, I get no replies. I put this up in the hopes that someone might look at 5 numbers and make an observation. Few have, which means I and perhaps two others are the only ones looking at what the numbers are trying to tell us.

On another thread mention was made of the numbers morphing . I can agree with that observation. So how can... [ More ]

Reply #35

ca-dreamin* — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:08:05 GMT

Oh I don't want to give you the wrong impression. When I say far fetched I'm talking about other than the usual stuff.

Still I'm thankful that your willing to share your ideas and try to get input on them.

I get the feeling there's a few posters on LP that know a whole lot more than they're willing to share.

As far as the seismologist the one I'm thinking of was a lady. They actually show the lines recorded by the machine and she talks about what fault line the quake was on as well as w... [ More ]

Reply #34

GASMETERGUY — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:30:25 GMT

Here in Tennessee we see and hear that same seiamologist. For all the talking he does, the one fact he points out is that no one saw it coming but there were instruments spread all over the place that did record some data and that he would be studying that data in the hopes of predicting future earthquakes.

As far as my ideas being far fetched, you may be right. However I am only giving you the ideas I had many long years ago. Today I am looking for a way to thread all those ideas into one p... [ More ]

Reply #33

ca-dreamin* — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:13:27 GMT

GASMETERGUY I want to say thank-you for sharing all your ideas no matter how far fetched they may seem. One idea sparks another and someone may be able to pick up where you leave off.

Sitting around waiting for a QP to hit shouldn't be our only option.

RE: earthquakes....... I'm not sure what other states see when CA has an earthquake but in Ca after an earthquake turn on the TV. Within minutes there's ALWAYS a seismologist on the news talking about the quake.

Reply #32

GASMETERGUY — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 05:13:10 GMT

Here is a concept that just came to me a few minutes ago which might mean something to somebody, somewhere.

On 2.18.10 in the Georgia P5 game, the drawn numbers were 10-15-16-33-34. These 5 numbers sum to 108.

Out of the 5 drawn numbers, not one of them is a divisor of the sum. By this I mean that not one of the drawn numbers will go into 108 evenly.

From all the drawn numbers in the (insert your favorite state here) lottery, how many draws lack one drawn number which is a divisor of th... [ More ]

Reply #31

GASMETERGUY — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:24:19 GMT

I wish I could describe it. I can not. But the reason I like these kinds of expectations is the fact they usually are skewed one way or the other.

Take a coin toss. A fair coin will come up heads or tails in a 50-50 ratio. I can not work with a 50-50 pattern; too much randomness. However, take an unfair coin, one that comes up heads 65% of the time. Now that I can work and win with. I am hoping there are other theorems in number theory that are skewed one way or the other with respect to the... [ More ]

Reply #30

time*treat — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:47:11 GMT

If you can describe it (and it's not too much work) someone may be able to answer it.

The 'divisible' one, I did by changing some work I already had, it's not something I normally use.

Reply #29

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:47:06 GMT

These mathematical expectations is precisely what I want. Might you have a few with which you are willing to share? I really need about two more, just not the one divisible by x . I have one of those.

Reply #28

time*treat — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:22:38 GMT

Filling out the list ... of the 575,757 possible combos...

374,381 contain at least one value divisible by 5: 65.02%

338,421 contain at least one value divisible by 6: 58.78%

297,501 contain at least one value divisible by 7: 51.67%

251,125 contain at least one value divisible by 8, 9: 43.62%

198,765 contain at least one value divisible by 10-13: 34.52%

139,860 contain at least one value divisible by 14-19: 24.29%

73,815 contain at least one value divisible... [ More ]

Reply #27

time*treat — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:31:02 GMT

FWIW = for what it's worth.

Sometimes we see things that look like they are happening alot, when they are really just happening along mathematical expectation.

Reply #26

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:13:03 GMT

That makes sense. In looking at the Georgia P5 game, a number divisible by 5 has occured 59% of the time during the last year. That corrresponds very closely to what theory (your idea above) predicts.

And what does FWIW mean

Reply #25

time*treat — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:49:26 GMT

FWIW, out of 575,757 combos, 374,381 contain at least one value divisible by 5.

374,381 / 575,757 = 65.02

Reply #24

GASMETERGUY — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:59:07 GMT

You know, rundown99, I do not disagree with what you are saying. What I do find loathsome is your refusal to allow others the freedom to consider alternatives.

Earthquakes are random too. That does not stop geologists from studying them, collecting data, looking for clues that would make predicting earthquakes an exact science. Look what geologists have done with volcanoes! Not thirty years ago volcanoes were also considered a random event. Now we can predict within days when one is about t... [ More ]

Reply #23

rundown99 — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:38:20 GMT

The lottery is completely random. For powerball and mega millions, the odds against you winning the jackpot are astronomical, and the drawings are random every time. Winning the jackpot is a matter of luck

Reply #22

ca-dreamin* — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:27:13 GMT

This reminds me of the book Lottery Numbers Past, Present and Future by Harry Schneider. He talks about the lines being divisible by different numbers. In most of his examples he uses the UK National Lottery.

Reply #21

GASMETERGUY — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:01:30 GMT

On some other thread I suggested to one member that he/she input the numbers manually. He/she wanted a way to take a number format such as 1-2-3-4-5 and put each number in a single cell using Excel. I suggested they do just the opposite and type in each number slowly. Why slowly? So they might be able to see a pattern.

The other day I took my own advice. I deleted all 4,900 and then some Georgia drawn numbers. Using their website, I manually typed in each and every date and number. I did so s... [ More ]

Reply #20

marcie — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:56:43 GMT

Ok, I guess that make some sense. But I can predit a number but don't always know the State. Mayority of the times, you all use a Stystem I don't. but I could if I wanted to. since I have got these books tht this nice Lady on Lotterypost sent me. I think I will start using it. thanks for you input.

Reply #19

GASMETERGUY — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:18:44 GMT

The proof you speak of says the lottory can not be predicted. And this is true. There is no proof that an algorithm can predict a random draw.

In fact, according to Quantum Physics, there is only one way to predict the furture and that is with the use of wave functions. Unfortunately a wave function incorporates all possible outcomes and is only solved when the answer becomes manifest. What use is an equation when the answer can only be discerned after the fact?

Mathematical proofs are n... [ More ]

Reply #18

marcie — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:39:28 GMT

I was watching this math Teacher on the news, she is about to retire, and she said when a person is trying to do a problem in Numbers or Math show the proof! I think she is about right

Reply #17

montecarlo2012 — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:57:20 GMT

the math person who help to write the movie, he hate lotto

Reply #16

Hans — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:19:40 GMT

06,07,08,09,10

26 27 28 29 20

Jackpot in 32 tickets.

Hans

Reply #15

GASMETERGUY — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:09:24 GMT

That depends, KY Floyd. Is there a physical system involved which determines the next drum to be played? If so, then there may be a way to predict the next drum to be played.

What will be needed is information about that physical system, which is why I posted this thread.

Reply #14

pumpi76 — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:33:47 GMT

i do watch the show numbe3rs but it comes out on different times on my tv that i dont know when is going on and since i am so involved on the lotto sometimes forget when they show it...It would had been nice had they shown that show everyday at a particular time...

is very interesting....

Reply #13

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:38:26 GMT

You are absolutely right. We might never see that pattern again in our lifetime yet we might see it again the next draw.

So what does that tell us? Answer: we need more information but don't discard this bit of information.

Reply #12

pick4hawk — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:56:25 GMT

I agree that: The best way to win the lottery is to be found when you understand what is random and how to balance numbers in perfect order.

HAWK

Reply #11

Hans — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:25:51 GMT

The best way to win lottery is to be found when you understand what is random and how to balance numbers in perfect order.

Any attempt for 6 winning numbers in smaller pools wouldnt help much.

Go to wiki and search...possibility,randomness,matrix.Then try to understand the perfect design of the wheels,their weakness and advahtages.

Pick up one good wheel and study it.Predict and test for the future drawings,keep perfecting your strategies,and in the end you may find somethig interesting... [ More ]

Reply #10

penniless — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:25:09 GMT

Wish I would've gotten on this site earlier...Mega # were 6-8-27-40-41/ Mega#21 Could've use the monies. Keep your strategies coming Please.

Reply #9

RJOh — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:10:18 GMT

06 08 27 40 41 21 SUM=122 RANGE=36 NUMBER DRAWN 194 TIMES IN PAST 472 DRAWINGS

----------------------

10 24 28 33 40 05

02 08 30 41 52 01

17 32 39 43 55 25

12 20 21 38 46 12

11 16 34 44 53 08

13 29 31 35 56 28

04 22 37 48 49 39

03 07 23 26 50 42

14 18 36 45 47 38

18 21 33 39 49 22

MATCHES

MATCH 0 = 301

MATCH 1 = 150

MATCH 2 = 19

MATCH 3 = 2

MATCH 4 = 0

MATCH 5 = 0

472 DRAWS CHECKED

All that information didn't help much.

Reply #8

jwhou — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:29:57 GMT

The constraints on the number ranges are obfuscated by the fact that the numbers are not in draw order but sorted. In draw order, the possible values for each number is simply exclusive of the others. Once sorted, the ranges are actually a probability distribution where the first number presented can range from 1 to 35 and the shape of that distribution will be skewed left. The second number presented will be a distribution over the range 2 to 36, where the distribution is not as skewed left as

Reply #7

jwhou — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:14:05 GMT

There's a distinct difference between the sound of a drum and lottery numbers. There's a direct causality between the shape of the drums and the sounds that they would produce hence the information in the sound of the drum is relevant however with the lottery numbers, the draw is by definition random with the only relevant information being that there are five numbers drawn. There is also the constraints that the second number drawn is exclusive of the first, the third number drawn is exclusive... [ More ]

Reply #6

KY Floyd — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:25:04 GMT

Recently I read about a mathematician who wondered if one coulddetermine the shape of a drum by listening only to the sound the drummade when struck. As it turned out, he could.

After listening to somebody play a drum for a minute or an hour, can he tell us which of the other 175 million drums will be played next

Reply #5

RJOh — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:14:56 GMT

What you have described could also be done by a member of a band or orchestra after listening to its performance. They could tell you if the sounds were made by the wind, brass, drum or string sections and the instruments used to make them. If they were from the wind section they could tell you if it was a piccolo, a flute, a clarinet or a saxophone. If it was a saxophone, they probably could tell you if it was a small soprano sax, a mid-size alto sax or a bigger baritone sax. They could tell yo... [ More ]

Reply #4

JKING — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 03:12:21 GMT

Hi,

You could also say what ranges the numbers fall in (ie. 1-10, 11-20...etc)

You could also say how many number were divisable by 2,3,4,5...etc.

The problem lies in projecting with a sample of only one pick.

A comparison of elements is required to determine trends, individual number attributes, and draw conclusions.

If your looking to solve the puzzle, I suggest for the missing pieces. *S

Reply #3

badboy00z — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:51:00 GMT

Anyone else watch the show Numb3rs? This thread reminds me of the show. Lol.

Reply #2

Coin Toss — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:59:04 GMT

gasmeterguy,

You're looking for consistency in something that is designed not to be consistent.

We can take that drawing, 6-8-9-20-27, and do this

Calls 6 X

X + 2 +1 +11 + 7.

You might see that pattern again the next day or you might not see it for a very long time.

The thing is, even if you did see it, you'd have to have the right number for the first number or the pattern would be worthless to you.

If a lottery game was too show consistency, it would become unavailable.... [ More ]

Reply #1

Todd — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:09:24 GMT

Information Theory and Lotto

GASMETERGUY — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:55:00 GMT

Recently I read about a mathematician who wondered if one could determine the shape of a drum by listening only to the sound the drum made when struck. As it turned out, he could. And he did. Not only did he determine the shape of the drum but the volume as well. That was a striking bit of work. This accomplishment was based on Information Theory. There was information buried within the sound of the drum that allowed him to determine the shape and volume of the drum.

Is there information... [ More ]