If All 80,000 Members of LP Dedicated to Systems for PB and Pick6 We will Win it Everyday

Reply #132

bobby623 — Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:06:12 GMT

I've decided to participate in the Quick Picks vs System Picks challenged suggested by Luminus.

Please see the details in the Jackpot game forum.

Reply #131

jimmy4164 — Sat, 11 Sep 2010 05:05:35 GMT

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/218174/1770500

Reply #130

psykomo — Sat, 11 Sep 2010 01:34:12 GMT

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Reply #129

RJOh — Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:02:54 GMT

With odds of a jackpot win at 1:195M, there are those who say buying a PB ticket QP or SP is a waste or time and money. People are funny and they all have an opinion. I have my own opinion.

Reply #128

Stack47 — Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:58:43 GMT

There may be someone who would interested in your back test of PA pick3.

It's always been easy for me to know when a system I tried worked or failed; if it works I cash in the next day. I don't really need someone telling me why the system would have failed over the history of the game while I'm cashing the tickets. And I definitely don't need the historical statistics on a system I have no intentions of trying.

Since this thread is about PowerBall and pick6 games, maybe you can backtest... [ More ]

Reply #127

Stack47 — Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:29:43 GMT

Please tell me how YOUR method of discarding some of these 16 would have resulted in MORE PROFIT during the 8 year dry spell you refer to!

I don't have a method; I just know how players use TTTs. They can use up to 9 different digits in their workout, as low as 3, or a number in between. Some players make one every day, others once a week, or once a month like Twedk is doing. If they use 9 different digits to play in the next drawing, the probability against not matching 3 of those digits is... [ More ]

Reply #126

Luminus — Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:35:41 GMT

Absolutely not. I'm just saying, why waste the time filling out those cards

Reply #125

jimmy4164 — Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:41:54 GMT

If you're trying to prove your method of play in PA doesn't work, you certainly proved your point.

And just what is my method of play? Personally, I don't have a method, other than buying Quick Picks.

Using your method in PA, the back testing showed no straight hits for almost 8 years as if anybody would actually continue to play a system that failed that many months in a row.

Please reread your own statement here. Why can you not see that you are making my point? You are telling me... [ More ]

Reply #124

Stack47 — Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:33:29 GMT

You must be talking about something else. If so, what is it?

I'm talking about how people play TTTs! For some reason you keep on assuming they play all the possible combos in every drawing, but they don't.

Do you want to see the result of the expansion of the 16 base set into its 96(MAX) BOX combinations?

It's all useless information to anyone not playing your way. If the TTT produces any kind of hits, players I know try to isolate where in the grid the hits come from and adjust the... [ More ]

Reply #123

jimmy4164 — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:44:44 GMT

Stack47,

...your testing is useless information. A more conclusive test for them would show how many drawings in the next month any three digits from the workout were drawn.

I think if you take another look you will find that is precisely what my backtest is finding, counting, and displaying !!

You must be talking about something else. If so, what is it? Do you want to see the result of the expansion of the 16 base set into its 96(MAX) BOX combinations?

Before I will take the

Reply #122

RJOh — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:40:55 GMT

So you're saying using all 59 WB and 39 PB in my number pool with QPs and increasing my odds of winning to 1:195,249,054 instead of 1:23,892,176 would have improved my odds of winning

Reply #121

Luminus — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:25:02 GMT

That's because you're playing with too many numbers. You need to reduce your pool to within 15-18 numbers for any significant hits. That's why I don't bother with those games. Just use a QP.

Reply #120

RJOh — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:17:46 GMT

Last night I successfully reduced my PB pool of numbers to 44 WB and 22 PB with all the winning numbers there by reducing my odds of winning to:

MATCH ODDS

5/5+B 1 : 23892176

5/5+0 1 : 1137723

4/5+B 1 : 122524

4/5+0 1 : 5834

3/5+B 1 : 3224

3/5+0 1 : 154

2/5+B 1 : 261

1/5+B 1 : 58

0/5+B 1 : 41

_____________________________

overall odds are 1 : 19.1

and still only matched 0+1 for $3

Winning numbers were: 09/08/10 - 10 35 39 51 57 +20

10 31 32 37 53 +2... [ More ]

Reply #119

RJOh — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:25:15 GMT

Think about it.

Thinking about a game I don't play and probably will never play is a waste of time for me. You obviously have spent a lot of time studying the PA pick3 and need some validation but you're appealing to the wrong player. I only play and study Ohio games RC5, Classic Lotto, MM and PB, if you're not talking about one of those games then I'm not interested in what you're preaching. When it comes to being right, my point of view is the only one that counts to me.

--RJOh... [ More ]

Reply #118

Stack47 — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:24:53 GMT

I'm going to stick my neck out and conjecture that the feigned lack of interest in my testing is not because people KNOW what the results will be, but rather, they are AFRAID of what the results MIGHT be!

You probably don't understand how they are using their TTTs workouts and because they don't now or never played all the possible three digit straight numbers over the last 33.5 years, your testing is useless information. A more conclusive test for them would show how many drawings in the ne... [ More ]

Reply #117

jimmy4164 — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:01:30 GMT

RJOh,

From your point of view, you're right. In the minds of most here, I'm off topic. My defense is subtly imbedded in my post in another thread where I encouraged Stack47 to consider the equivalences involved when viewing a 3 Digit game using 3 ten ball machines as a (3,30) Lotto game using one machine, 3 draws, and 30 balls consisting of 3 each of [0...9]. Think about it.

--Jimmy4164

Reply #116

Luminus — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:54:28 GMT

Take the challenge. I am, right now in the Take 5 forum. Put your virtual money where your mouth is.

Reply #115

RJOh — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:21:41 GMT

If you're telling me that the TTT players in Twedk's thread already know they might just as well buy QPs, I don't agree, and I don't think they would either. So, again, I ask. What is already known? Or, should I ask, What is believed?

I'm not telling you anything, if you are serious you will post your challenge in Twedk's thread. There may be someone who would interested in your back test of PA pick3.

Since this thread is about PowerBall and pick6 games, maybe you can backtest a system th... [ More ]

Reply #114

jimmy4164 — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 05:31:11 GMT

RJOh,

Back testing isn't going to reveal anything that's not already known.

Seriously, what is already known?

The discussions I've read indicate many people think their TTT systems are giving them and edge. You say they are tested practically every drawing. Of what value is that? My program is prepared to test TTT's over 11,600 drawings, which I think would be a much better test than one draw. My preliminary results reveal two $500 wins within 5 days of each other near the beginning... [ More ]

Reply #113

RJOh — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 04:54:08 GMT

Have you checked the pick3 forum? They are several TTT systems with different rules and they are tested practically every drawing. Back testing isn't going to reveal anything that's not already known. Besides I don't play the pick3 or pick4 games.

Reply #112

jimmy4164 — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 04:34:47 GMT

If your thinking keeps you headed in this direction, you might even

break down and help me finalize the full backtest of the popular TTT

Reply #111

RJOh — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:57:23 GMT

One more try, I posted the first 10 on the prediction board.

10 31 32 37 53 +29

09 17 35 48 51 +36

13 16 21 40 45 +26

11 26 28 39 47 +03

05 14 29 44 55 +02

01 15 23 38 50 +10

07 21 26 38 44 +13

04 13 28 31 54 +37

08 23 45 47 53 +38

07 15 36 37 49 +05

10 27 29 40 50 +09

09 16 30 36 55 +32

08 32 39 48 59 +30

12 14 30 35 49 +31

06 21 27 31 48 +11

06 14 16 47 54 +15

08 27 38 49 55 +04

13 23 29 39 58 +27

09 28 37 50 56 +06

06 17 26 36 53

Reply #110

RJOh — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:47:21 GMT

Maybe I should spend more time trying to figure out how to get lucky rather than how to win.

Reply #109

savagegoose — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 05:28:23 GMT

tks for sharing RJOh. i guess the message im getting is that who ever wins has to be lucky.

Reply #108

RJOh — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:29:21 GMT

WED 09/01/10 - 17 20 21 40 51 +19

39. 10 16 29 33 49 +19 $3

72. 06 11 14 17 31 +19 $4

83. 12 13 33 46 47 +19 $3

TOTAL WINNINGS $10

Reply #107

RJOh — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 02:06:10 GMT

I decided to try again with a 100 lines and see what happens. These are my 100 picks for tonight PowerBall drawing. I posted the first 10 on the prediction board and actually played the first 20 lines.

Simulation #2

All 59 WB used at least 5 times

All 39 PB used at least twice - 2 winners for sure.

1. 17 32 36 51 59 +37

2. 04 27 33 35 47 +25

3. 02 13 18 29 30 +26

4. 05 11 20 25 26 +13

5. 08 22 23 31 55 +03

6. 14 21 28 39 54 +02

7. 15 37 38 45 57 +10

8. 12 34 41

Reply #106

Luminus — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:32:44 GMT

Okay, I guess I didn't understand that explanation properly. I'll play around with the positions and see what happens. Thanks

Reply #105

bobby623 — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:58:45 GMT

Winning combination: 9.26.29.32.35 = ACCDD = ACD

My experimenting didn't make any difference.

The positional data streams didn't suggest there would be repeats at 3 different levels. Or, maybe it did and I

didn't recognize it.

Sometimes I think, when it comes to selecting lottery numbers, that the 'wrong' side of my brain

is in complete control. I need to find a way to get the 'right' side into game. LOL

Thanks for your interest.

Reply #104

RJOh — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:39:23 GMT

Everyone's strategy is probably based on their unique experiences and circumstances. Combining them all into one working strategy was never possible but a thread like this allows them to be explained and compared and give those who think lottery strategies are a waste of time a place to post their comments.

Personally I don't think anything posted in this thread is going to change anyone style of playing but the ideas are interesting.

Reply #103

Stack47 — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:59:36 GMT

Iesha Kelly opinion doesn't apply to anyone in this thread so I don't know why it was posted.

Apparently Iesha Kelly didn't understand the topic and thought Pumpi was suggesting a 80,000 member lottery pool.

Reply #102

Stack47 — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:55:48 GMT

Pompi76 has a good idea, but it's a flop. No one has offered any plausible ideas on how to make it work.

I'm pretty sure Pumpi meant 80,000 members putting their collective heads together to create a system where some or one of them could win a PB, MM, or lotto jackpot every day. I'd be satisfied if I could catch a pick-3 number straight once every three months playing $10 a day on one number while others might not be satisfied winning a $50 million jackpot once in a lifetime.

I was hopi... [ More ]

Reply #101

Stack47 — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:02:41 GMT

Nope.

Reply #100

savagegoose — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:57:57 GMT

can 1 person call a thread dead and done with

Reply #99

Stack47 — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:53:55 GMT

The first problem is finding a smaller group of numbers that consistently matches 5 numbers because you can't win the jackpot without matching 5 numbers. The second problem is finding a way when you do match 5 numbers from that group to that have them on the same line.

The first problem problem can be solved by playing all 39 numbers using a smaller win guarantee. The minimum play is 8 lines using 38 numbers once and 1 number two times. The example I gave used a 2 if 5 guarantee with 25 lines... [ More ]

Reply #98

jimmy4164 — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:37:15 GMT

Good points Iesha,

And in regard to this observation...

It would take a group of people with a different purpose than 'I want to be rich', a very tight knit group with legitimate lawyers on stand by and an ironclad contract.

And even this elite group is likely to fail, UNLESS at least one of them is a member of the IT group that administers the lottery they target. And they better have VERY GOOD lawyers!

--Jimmy4164

Reply #97

RJOh — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:31:22 GMT

In case anyone is interested, the best the 20 lines I posted for last night PB drawing did was to match 2 twice. With out a bonus ball match, I've had nothing.

Bobby623, the best feed back you can get is the results of the numbers you post. You know how well they did whether anyone else mention it or not.

Iesha Kelly opinion doesn't apply to anyone in this thread so I don't know why it was posted.

Reply #96

bobby623 — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:43:24 GMT

I think this thread has run its course.

Pompi76 has a good idea, but it's a flop. No one has offered any plausible ideas on how to make it work.

I was hoping to get some feed back on the strategy I use to generate numbers, but I got nothing. I don't know why I expected otherwise.

Seems everyone has a lottery plan they believe will eventually be successful. More power to them!!

I'm not sure I understand what Iesha Kelly is saying, but, speaking for myself, playing the lottery is more... [ More ]

Reply #95

Iesha Kelly — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:11:10 GMT

I apologize in advance, what I'm about to say may offend many people:

This thread saddens me. Playing the lottery should be for entertainment purposes only, not a retirement program. To be perfectly honest and blunt, the only people I see 'breaking' a mega millions or powerball type lotto are those doing it with the help of something like IBM's Big Blue. It would take a group of people with a different purpose than 'I want to be rich', a very tight knit group with legitimate lawyers on stand... [ More ]

Reply #94

Luminus — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 05:38:21 GMT

I see. I always put them in ascending order, so that problem won't occur for me.

Reply #93

RJOh — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 01:56:05 GMT

I decided to try 20 lines again for tonight's PB drawing. I posted the first ten on the prediction board.

1. 06 17 27 33 47 +39

2. 09 25 29 30 42 +21

3. 04 12 21 32 37 +31

4. 10 18 26 28 46 +30

5. 01 19 22 31 44 +27

6. 13 23 36 38 53 +04

7. 20 35 41 48 55 +37

8. 17 23 32 46 50 +25

9. 21 31 41 50 59 +09

10. 11 26 29 36 43 +32

11. 10 19 20 33 45 +15

12. 13 16 27 28 42 +03

13. 18 37 38 47 59 +29

14. 16 25 35 44 53 +02

15. 25 37 43 45 48 +20

16. 20 28... [ More ]

Reply #92

Stack47 — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:17:49 GMT

Anyway, what do you mean by the order you put the numbers in your wheel? What difference does it make, when the numbers are sorted in descending order? I was wondering if Gail's wheels are different from other wheels and now you seem to be lending some credence to that.

The order the numbers are entered into the wheel applies to all abbreviated wheels. Before PB and MM when it was just 6/42 to 6/54 lotto games, the 42 combo 4 if 6 of 18 number wheel was a favorite as where some of the lower... [ More ]

Reply #91

savagegoose — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:24:26 GMT

oops tks RJOh i forgot about that.

ermm it still works as a test for predictions page here, to see if people can co operate. but yeah scrag it as an option for the game if we actually ever do something.

Reply #90

RJOh — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:45:00 GMT

While a 5/39 game might be easier to predict, it's unlikely players from different states would have data for a particular 5/39 game in a state that they didn't play. On the other hand both PB and MM games are played in almost every state and most lottery players would probably play one of them at some time and have data on them making either game an excellent candidate for any tests any group might want to run.

Reply #89

savagegoose — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:40:43 GMT

we could use the prediction page here on LP , pick a game and get everyone interested to post 10 picks, doesnt cost anything and we get to test peoples willingness to co operate.

now we could all post our own 10 picks, or submit to someone elses picks and play 10 of theirs. i for one dont cqre either way.

also could pick an eaiser to win game. like 6 /39 having a quick browse i nominate

califirnia fantasy 5 a 5/39 game, feel free to nominate, another, or second, my pick,

Reply #88

jimmy4164 — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:13:02 GMT

You have a tough row to hoe birdbreath...

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/218174/1755321

Reply #87

bobby623 — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:05:33 GMT

RJOH

I doubt if a strategy that uses $5 would be much different than $5 worth of QPs and hoping to get lucky.

I use Gap Strategy to generate 5 combinations in just about all the lotteries I play. I sometimes wish I could

buy more sets, but ....

To demonstrate, here are 5 sets I generated for the 0828 Texas Cash 5/37 drawing.

The GS data I have strongly suggests that the winning combination will have at least one A, one B and one D.

Therefore the base structure that guides fi... [ More ]

Reply #86

Luminus — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:52:43 GMT

I don't see much cooperation happening. About 3 people stepped forward, including me, and we still can't come to an agreement. I said I'd e-mail Bobby because that poster shared an e-mail with me, which shows a real interest for cooperation and WINNING. That's the rules. Why give away our strategies to 89,997 potential free-loaders?

Anyway, what do you mean by the order you put the numbers in your wheel? What difference does it make, when the numbers are sorted in descending order? I was wond... [ More ]

Reply #85

RJOh — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:57:27 GMT

I doubt if a strategy that uses $5 would be much different than $5 worth of QPs and hoping to get lucky.

Reply #84

Stack47 — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:09:56 GMT

I learned the hard way about matching all the numbers using wheels playing Ohio's pick-5s games. It was difficult enough developing a system that would occasionally match all 5 numbers only to find out the reason I wasn't cashing a jackpot ticket was the order I placed the numbers into the wheel.

Pumpi's ideas at times seem far fetched, but by finding the correct order to place the numbers into the wheel, the jackpot could be hit many times a year using a 2 if 5 of 39 number 25 combination wh... [ More ]

Reply #83

Stack47 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:20:03 GMT

Looking at the top ten topics (excluding the priority topics) in this forum by latest replies, only 3 are about how to win . I'm not knocking the people starting those threads or the members that view and/or reply to them, but from that I wouldn't expect very many of the 96,000 members to be dedicated to creating a PB, MM, lotto, or pick-5 system.

Somebody mentioned 10 members pooling $10 a piece per drawing, but then the system would be limited to $100 worth of play. When we were discussing... [ More ]

Reply #82

bobby623 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:19:40 GMT

Stack47

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/197753

Gap Strategy is a Universal workout, that is, it can be used for most of the current lottery games played worldwide.

The link relates to the use of GS for Texas Pick3, but it can be used for KY Pick 3.

I would appreciate any feedback on GS, particularly how I can overcome the 'missed by one' syndrome. But to do it,

you will have to actually generate and use the workout.

Don't fall for the 'it's too complicated' reason not to giv... [ More ]

Reply #81

RJOh — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:55:03 GMT

We'll be lucky if a hundred posters contribute anything useful to this thread. Outside of PB and MM lotteries most posters will not be trying to win the same games and tracking games they don't play is a waste of time for most players. After some of the PMs I got after posting those 200 lines for PB last drawings, I don't think there are a lot of players who want to share their information in a public forum if they think they have a chance of winning one of those games jackpots.

Reply #80

Stack47 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:26:01 GMT

If I can workout your Gap Strategy, I'll e-mail you and let you know how it works out with the Take 5.

I thought this topic was about 96,000 heads are better than 2 .

It's possible you could find something Bobby over looked and just as possible at least 1, 2, or more members might find something you both over looked. Why not post it in this topic

Reply #79

Luminus — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 04:21:25 GMT

Who's taking anything personal? If I can workout your Gap Strategy, I'll e-mail you and let you know how it works out with the Take 5. Thanks.

Reply #78

bobby623 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:36:43 GMT

Luminus

In order to use Gap Strategy to generate numbers for Take 5, I would have to go back 50 draws and develop the workouts. Even then, there may not be enough data to facilitate number generation.

I'm currently keeping data on all five of the Texas on-line lottery games, as well as Florida Fan 5.

There just isn't enough time keep every game up-to-date.

You would have the same problem using Gap Strategy for Texas Cash 5/37.

I'm sorry that I've said something that has caused thi... [ More ]

Reply #77

Luminus — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:08:47 GMT

bobby623 and RJOh,

I shared my system as soon as I signed onto this board. See the proof:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/153951/807420?q=luminus rp=search

I'm running a modified Gail Howard system, now. I've said this before. I'm using the past 5 games and wheeling those numbers. I've recently started experimenting with reducing those numbers to 15, while keeping the set 2-9. My results seem to be the same as the more, outrageously complex system that is Gail Howard's (unmodified).... [ More ]

Reply #76

bobby623 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 01:15:39 GMT

birdbreath

I disagree.

I use a 'substitute system' that is totally independent on what the lottery does.

I use past winning numbers to 'trigger' and/or guide the production of various data streams that reflect trends in several categories.

I then use these data streams to make best guesses on what might happen next. I don't get it right everytime, but it hasn't been

a waste of time - which I have plenty of.

Either way, it certainly beats quick picks and is a lot more fun.... [ More ]

Reply #75

birdbreath — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:06:40 GMT

bobby623,

i think it is about randomness though. if you say there are a small number of LP members, myself included, who believe that detailed analysis of past lottery results is a useful guidepostfor generating and selecting numbers to play.

then you are really saying that drawings are not random. As i see it, you either believe that the past numbers have some sort of influence over future numbers, or (more likely) that some force exerted itself on past numbers and will exert itself... [ More ]

Reply #74

RJOh — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:38:19 GMT

Savagegoose,

last night that list would have matched three twice. Your total winnings would have depended on how you used the PB numbers.

Last night's winning numbers: 08/25/10 - 16 17 29 31 36 +23

winning numbers from your list:

11 16 17 31 32

08 17 26 31 36

Reply #73

savagegoose — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:05:43 GMT

here are490 lines, all 56 1st barrel are there, and an 84% chance of hitting 3 numbers, i kinda messed up thinking

pb barrel was 49, well anyhow this only goves an 84% chance 1 player will hit 3 numbers, this would need to be played39 times over ,or 19110 tickets played, to get a 84% of 3+b for 1 person.

there would be a load of lower wins and ill do this barrel on last draw, but not cover the PB barrel

it matched 2 x3 hits and 23 x2 hits.

also 154 x1 hits

-----

another op... [ More ]

Reply #72

RJOh — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:56:57 GMT

Have you tried getting a pool together to play a pick3 game? This prizes aren't large enough to split among a pool of players.

Reply #71

RJOh — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:51:57 GMT

Give $100 for what? This thread is about coming up with a system that a lottery pool could use to win a jackpot game like MM or PB, not about giving someone money.

Reply #70

keepitreal — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:35:39 GMT

95,000 members at $100 each that $9,500,000. You don't need to win if everyone give money. I know no one will give $100 but maybe someone will give more.

Reply #69

savagegoose — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:20:07 GMT

well im kinda really against power ball, multi barrel types because of the huge repeats of the same wheel to get the total power ball cover.

what is it 49 pwer balls in the barrel?

really need like 49 players, so ea person would play the same power ball, and 10 combos from the list. then that is 490 combbos

and those 10 combos wont even be covered with all power balls.

its a really hard game to cover in any meaningful way i feel.but ill se ehow good a wheel i can get with 4... [ More ]

Reply #68

Teamprofit — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:02:27 GMT

Bobby623,

I will take a deeper look at your method.

Has anyone tried to Master pick 3? I'm having a hard time hitting consistently without playing more than 30 numbers lol, and you guys are moving on to master something more complicated

Reply #67

RJOh — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:41:41 GMT

RJOH took a chance with his simulation. Wow. Wonder how he would have reacted had he had a winning combination and not played it!

Any time you share a strategy and its predictions with others at LP well in advance of a drawing, that's a risk you have to be willing to take. That may be the reason so few members are willing to explain or run a simulation of their system when dealing with a game that could pay millions of dollars if it works. I would have been happy if the simulation produced a... [ More ]

Reply #66

RJOh — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:23:03 GMT

Judging from the percent of players who buy quick picks, less than 30% believe in picking their own numbers. If less than half of those players believe in using a system to pick their numbers then there would be about 10% of players might have an interest which could be equal to 9,600 LP members.

Reply #65

bobby623 — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:19:18 GMT

Birdbreath

This is not about randomness. While a small percentage of LP members disagree, the vast majority accept the fact that lotteries are random.

Moreover, a vast majority of LP members doubt that anyone can devise a strategy that will produce winning numbers with any level of consistency.

However, there are a small number of LP members, myself included, who believe that detailed analysis of past lottery results is a useful guidepost

for generating and selecting numbers to play.... [ More ]

Reply #64

birdbreath — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:23:52 GMT

in guaging interest, it might be helpful to know how many of those 96,000 members of LP actually believe that any kind of system works. i'm thinking most believe lottery drawings are indeed random.

Reply #63

bobby623 — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:12:29 GMT

Food for thought

I developed a paper and pencil structured workout called Gap Strategy.

I've gone out of my way to explain how it works. I've given numerous examples, including predictions for certain games.

I used a Pick 3 worksheet, but the strategy is adaptable for any on-line game.

I've had some winnings, mainly in Pick 3, but, no jackpots.

Todd says there are over 96,000 LP members. Not all are active everyday, for sure, but that's one huge body of interest

in lottery pla... [ More ]

Reply #62

RJOh — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:01:53 GMT

True there are plenty of jackpots to be won but I doubt if any individual is going to be interested in a hundred lines system regardless of how well it does in simulation. Maybe there are some pools players out there that would like show how well their system does in simulation. So far we all can't put any heads together to figured out a better strategy because there has been only one person and one strategy put forward, there just doesn't seem to be much interest in such a project. I'll going t... [ More ]

Reply #61

savagegoose — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:27:46 GMT

thanks for the work RJOh, im willing to put on $10 towards this when the pot gets over $200M. its either 5 games if i play online, or 10 if i get someone to buy my ticket, i have pals in usa, ill talk to them this week. id rather bag 10 lines and forgoe %10 to ticket buyer.

guess i will find out how good a friend they are of it wins

what im saying is count me in for 5-10 numbers when pot goes over 200 mill

Reply #60

Luminus — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:19:49 GMT

^You don't have to be a pool player. If we all put our heads together and figured out a better strategy, we could take turns handicapping different lotteries. The pool would just be a group of people who agreed to share the information and play on certain days, so everyone got a sweet deal out of it. I mean, really, there's a jackpot every day. It's not like we'd run out of money to win.

Reply #59

RJOh — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:54:57 GMT

Looks like there were 100 lines too many, the best hits were in the first 100 lines. With the first 100 lines and a little luck like the MB on line 83 being 23 instead of 24, this strategy could have broke even.

I'm not a pool players, so I think I'll stick with my usual 10-25 lines per drawing and leave the pool strategies to the pool players.

Reply #58

Luminus — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:33:47 GMT

^Yup. Needs work.

Reply #57

RJOh — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 03:33:57 GMT

Tonight's winning numbers:16 17 29 31 36 +23

19. 08 22 25 42 43 +23

43. 16 17 23 36 52 +39

75. 07 17 42 45 56 +23

83. 01 14 16 29 31 +24

98. 07 27 39 47 56 +23

141. 21 29 38 43 48 +23

165. 02 19 22 35 38 +23

MATCHES

MATCH 0 = 122 3 $ 9

MATCH 1 = 68 2 $ 8

MATCH 2 = 8 0

MATCH 3 = 2 0 $ 14

MATCH 4 = 0 0

MATCH 5 = 0 0

PRIZE = $ 31

This system going to need a lot more work. $200 to win $31

Reply #56

RJOh — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:30:43 GMT

Simulation #1 - 200 PB picks for 08/25/2010

WB = 1-59 all used at least 12 times

PB = 1-39 all used at least 5 times

No combination of three used more than one time = 2000 different combo of threes

No combination has ever matched 5 in previous drawings.

1. 04 17 24 31 53 +20 101. 18 22 24 26 52 +39

2. 07 21 25 27 36 +28 102. 04 07 13 22 43 +36

3. 26 28 37 38 57 +10 103. 02 31 37 42 59 +22

4. 01 23 29 35 49 +38 104. 03 12 29 34 45 +09

5. 02 12 14 22 39 +11 105. 17 18 4... [ More ]

Reply #55

Luminus — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:27:08 GMT

Then run your simulations.

Reply #54

RJOh — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:18:40 GMT

I don't think this thread has developed enough to know for sure how the number selection would work.

I know I don't have a system that I would try to convince anyone beside myself to put money on. Coming up with a hundred or more combinations is different than coming up with 10-25 combinations I usually play, the parameters and rules would change. I would have to run some simulations and be happy with the results before ever suggesting a pool of players try them.

Reply #53

Luminus — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 04:57:57 GMT

bobby632's comment:

I like this idea. 10 dedicated players each state could make this happen. Trust has to start somewhere. Life isn't some Care Bear infested haven. You're gonna have to take a chance. The rules are simple, if you don't play, you're out of the pool... forever. If you run away with the winnings, know that IP addresses can be tracked and I'm sure some if not all members will find a way to hunt your punk a$$ down.

As for which game to play, that remains to be seen. I'd start... [ More ]

Reply #52

savagegoose — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 04:36:42 GMT

this is why i say peple enter their own tickets, and contribute their plays to the pool,. no liabiltiy to other players, your tickets are your own and you bought them in own state. no cross border probs, no you owe me, no legal hassles.

only prob i see is people actually playing their assigned, or lets face own picked numbers.

by the way i run a similar thing for a free game online, where every day a 1-10000 number is drawn, i try to collect enough people to cover ea number. we g... [ More ]

Reply #51

four4me — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 00:33:45 GMT

Very easy to figure out if you have access to the number history.

Long shot numbers in the pick 3-4 games are the longest out by position digits.

or simply put the coldest digits by position.

The same can be applied to the pick 5 and 6 games as well. except it wouldn't be by position.

Reply #50

bobby623 — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 00:15:12 GMT

RJOH

I don't think this thread has developed enough to know for sure how the number selection would work.

One way is for you to convince 9 or more other players that your number selection method has merit and could possibly win more if you

could play more than the 20 combinations you usually play. You, of course, would promise to collect and share any winnings.

You would generate the numbers and send them to members in advance of the drawing by whatever means fits the situation.

A... [ More ]

Reply #49

tiggs95 — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:50:59 GMT

You mean split a Powerball winning ticket between 90,000 people?..Is tiggs reading this thread right?..If it is it's the dumbest thread on here..

Reply #48

RJOh — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:44:43 GMT

So far I see no advantage to sending money to another LP member to buy tickets which are available locally. I thought the idea of this thread was to develop a proprietary system for picking combinations that were more likely to have a winner. Once that is accomplished then if there is trust enough to send money to another LP member to buy tickets then there should be enough trust for everyone in the group to buy a designated group of combinations for the group locally and any winnings from that

Reply #47

bobby623 — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:04:52 GMT

Coin Toss

I agree there are potential problems with folks making various claims.

However, except for the initial request for participants, which would have to be posted in a public venue, the program would

be confidential. There would be a cutoff date on which the program would advance, or die for lack of interest.

A public notice would have to be made informing interested parties that the opportunity has closed.

No one would know who the participants are, except the participants,... [ More ]

Reply #46

CutlassBob — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:49:48 GMT

If all 95,000 members + got together to figure this out, we would have to be telepathically-linked, because the amount of data one would have to research would be enourmous. That's if we did not want duplicated #'s.

But what if Bob had 4 numbers and the PowerBall correct, in-order to achieve the 5 numbers needed there would have to be repeats.

For instance if you feel 7 - 20 - 29 - 39 are going to fall tonight the only logical way to achieve all 5 numbers would be to....7 - 20 - 29 - 39... [ More ]

Reply #45

Coin Toss — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:31:48 GMT

I'm not sure if it would be OK or not, but of they are paying you it could be construed as you selling the tickets.

Nevadsa does not have a lottery but many preople travel to the I-15 border area of California to play Cal. Lotto.

A guy who worked at the Mirage used to make a weekely trip and played an awful lot of tickets, he was the runnewr for a large pool of players.

Well, one day as he sat with his coffee, steno pad, and filling out his playslips, there happened to be a couple of Ne... [ More ]

Reply #44

bobby623 — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:15:23 GMT

Re: Legality of pools crossing state lines.

Lets say I use a workout to generate 100 combinations ready for play in Powerball.

I then go on-line to Lottery Post and solicit 9 players to pay me $10 each for a share of my winnings, if any.

The participants would have to accept that I have valid workout and that I'm trustworthy, and that I'll actually

buy the tickets and distribute the winnings.

I'm not selling lottery tickets, I'm selling chances having a possible monetary award.... [ More ]

Reply #43

RJOh — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:47:52 GMT

Which game are you referring to? No one has made it clear which game this thread is about.

Reply #42

RJOh — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:42:52 GMT

I've been posting my PB and MM picks on the prediction board and even with a 4.54% hit ratio for the last 30 days I don't worry about anyone playing my numbers. I may change my mind if I hit a jackpot and have to split it with 50 other people.

Reply #41

Coin Toss — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:35:07 GMT

wheeltowin,

First, is what you're suggesting even legal? Have you ever heard of an interstate pool winning a jackpot? I sure haven't.

In the early 90's I was involved in a network marketing deal where the product was...ta da - Powerball tickets. The guy who set it up was a genius, let's fact it the sales were built in.

We actually were getting paychecks and then we got a cease and desist from the feds. Powerball (and Mega Millions) can sell tickets across state lines, no one else can (l... [ More ]

Reply #40

Luminus — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:26:46 GMT

What everyone here should do is find out where that last number (the one that's always missing) is coming from. Is it a long shot number; does it hit triples often? My 1 missing number is a long shot, which is why I keep missing it. I don't account for long shots in my sets, because they're too hard to predict. I've also seemed to figure a way to predict when to play the Power Number, but those chances don't come up often.

Reply #39

bobby623 — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:15:09 GMT

Wheeltowin

Good start.

I believe if you use the Search function, you might find some recommended pools offered by others.

TRUST is the key factor.

Most folks are hesitant about sending money to strangers.

IMHO, playing combinations generated by a structured system (i.e. Gap Strategy) is superior to Quick Picks.

A lot of pools crumble when players can join the day of the drawing. The best way is for serious players

to pay in advance for set number of drawings. This means play... [ More ]

Reply #38

Luminus — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:04:00 GMT

No hard feelings, RJOh. Like I said, I just want to win.

As for quick picks, that's pointless. I'f I played QP, I wouldn't be on this board. What's the point?

Now, joker17, that's exactly what I was getting at in my other thread. In, fact, your post is the most sensible thing on the plate. It's what I've shifted my thinking toward. Consecutive Buildup is the name of the game.

Master the easiest game first, then move on.

Reply #37

joker17 — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:04:40 GMT

Not trying to knock big game players, but it always amazes me how much confidence folks have in winning the JP, despite the astronomical odds against them. 1 pick or 80,000 doesn't matter much really. 195,000,000 to 1 is the reality. Folks want to walk before they crawl.

I always hoped that the intelligent folks here on the LP would use all that brain power and first try to beat an easer game like the P-3. Only 1000 to 1 for a straight hit, compared to 195,000,000

Surely you'll never be su... [ More ]

Reply #36

RJOh — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:46:12 GMT

wheeltowin,

Sounds like a plan but from pumpi76 opening statement: If ALL Members, all 80,000 dedicated themselves to figuring out system on the system forums for Powerball... , I got the impression he was talking about developing a lottery system rather than creating a lottery pool to play quick picks.

Good luck if you go forward with your plans.

Reply #35

wheeltowin — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:20:25 GMT

IF you 2 are done, How do we win this and is it even possible to put egos on hold long enough to get some work done? Step 1, best way to organize a co-opreative venture.

This is the groundwork to ensure smooth operations and has NOTHING to do with systems, number selection or therories. Identify possible points of contention and neutralize with creative/common sense solutions. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

This is a basic outline I came up with for a wor... [ More ]

Reply #34

RJOh — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:04:19 GMT

I was simply pointing out that it's unlikely you could have 80,000 different combinations without matching more than two of another one.

Reply #33

savagegoose — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 05:49:03 GMT

yeah you would have to get todd onside to make a checker to make sure no numbers are repeated over a certain limit.

personally i think the bigger problem would be people not playing their numbers but having them in the system,

still 80k entries is an ants toenail in the greater scheme of things. like someone said look how many predictions go on here, and how few wins they produce.

personally i couldnt be involved what with living in australia, and pseudo trustworthy sites char... [ More ]