Determination versus Free Will

Reply #38

badboy00z — Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:53:05 GMT

Maybe the people who has won the lottery were destined to win it

Reply #37

Perfecttiming2 — Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:50:44 GMT

There really are not enough choices....

Nonetheless,

I do believe that free will and predestination coexist.

Reply #36

Coin Toss — Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:52:51 GMT

Rergarding destiny, fate, kismet, or whatever you like to call it, on Inside Edition today they interviewed the female prison guard who won the $54 million.

They said she meant to buy a Powerball ticket but bought a Mega Millions by mistake.

Reply #35

Delta Draw — Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:09:57 GMT

If the doorbell rings and no one is in the room but you, you still have the choice to answer it. Someone was determined to ring it but that does not mean you have to answer it. You determine your response.

If you want to take a pee, you will do easily what used to take much more conscience effort to get up and go. If you are an old woman then you can just go and let determination run down your leg.

You take for granted all the conscience steps you learned and reinforced by example to do ma... [ More ]

Reply #34

Rick G — Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:18:02 GMT

Yes, I agree. Well put. It is not deterministic or free will, it is both (and all).

Reply #33

visiondude — Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:23:43 GMT

not such a generic blind folded dartboard possibility, and a little more deeper and personal.

hints at a possible design, instead of accident / happenstance.

i like that.

i like it because it challenges a man way beyond a guess, and i value my life far beyond just a guess ...

Reply #32

jackpotismine — Mon, 04 Oct 2010 04:45:10 GMT

I believe that we have destiny. I think that we also have free will but it is limited. We are allowed to do certain things until it interferes with our destiny. I know it sounds like a contradiction. Why would innocent children die? Why would a murderer win the lottery? Why do mothers who are drug addicts have healthy babies while those that watch every step of the pregnancy have sick babies. I believe that there is a bigger picture and we just are not that advance (as a race)to know it. We are

Reply #31

OwlCreekBridge — Mon, 04 Oct 2010 04:31:58 GMT

You missed the point completely, the problem with this dichotomy is substance ontology, that in this case, something you can never doubt is as Descartes puts it is you are a thinking thing. Nothing can exist independently on its own including, Descartes's cogito.

You didn't even address the problem in the lack of moral foundation which is inherent of solipsism.

philosophy, a field which tries to teach us how to get our thoughts right

have you ever looked up the word philosophy? philo... [ More ]

Reply #30

TeAl*888 — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 23:16:55 GMT

What if we were able to see beyond Time/Space?

We are bound by Time/Space and therefore can't know the futrue..

..I don't think we'd have this conversation if we were 4D beings!

I wonder what you'd see if you were a 4D being..

..see the wheels go round and round..perhaps

Reply #29

Bigwhale — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:31:13 GMT

But in a quantum world, the quantum event is a will independent event. Sometimes universes just happen , now and then (whatever now and then means) they pop into existence and sometimes they don't. And therefore and thereby, in a quantum world the answer is both no and yes (no

Reply #28

Rick G — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:04:09 GMT

I voted 'this is a smart philosophy question . If we live in a quantum universe then there are infinite possibilities at every moment. In that case, free will logically wins out. There can be no determination with infinite possibilities.

Reply #27

Bigwhale — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:50:36 GMT

You seem to disclaim any import for 1st person vs 3rd person difference, and yet you privilege just this position in your first paragraph.

I'm going out ... and assume he... .

You cannot take away in one hand what you give in another when you argue philosophically: that is to say, contradiction leads no where in matters philosophical

Note: I am not a philosopher, but in deference to philosophy, a field which tries to teach us how to get our thoughts right, I welcome dialogue

Reply #26

OwlCreekBridge — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:03:09 GMT

I'm going out on the limb and assume he doesn't give a rat's bottom about violating any 1st vs 3rd person gap in the philosophy of mind It is an arbitrary dichotomy in the first place.

Someone would have to be a total sociopath to not have the capacity to empathize with another person's pain. The necessary conclusion of choosing to adopt the subject vs object dichotomy is ultimately, solipsism.

Once you choose to adopt this dichotomy you can never prove the existance of an external world o... [ More ]

Reply #25

Bigwhale — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 02:29:57 GMT

Completely determined. If she bought the wrong ticket, she would have lost , right , but she bought the right one, right and won Case closed . Indeed there was never a question . And BTW, THX for mentioning my niece Ms. Fearson to me. It is about time she got to know her long lost poor uncle

Reply #24

Bigwhale — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 02:17:12 GMT

h, you remind me of a guy I knew last century, about 175 yrs ago when I was younger - I think the guy's name was Chuck Somethin - ah that's it Chuck Darwin, luved the guy he was kind of on the bright side. Don't know if he is talked about anymore

Reply #23

Bigwhale — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 02:15:15 GMT

If I understd. the multiverse idea, then it must be the case that there are an infinite number of universes, and in these infinite number, you have won an infinite number of times, and an infinite number of wins in a row , as well as loses . At least this is how I think multiverse theory has to read.

Reply #22

Bigwhale — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 02:13:54 GMT

Heh, How can you feel my pain , this violates the 1st vs 3rd person gap in the philosophy of mind , but I have also been dead for all these yrs.

Reply #21

Bigwhale — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 01:50:27 GMT

Reply #20

TeAl*888 — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 01:58:50 GMT

I believe in destiny

If you're destined to be wealthy at some point in your life, nothing will stop you

and if you're not, even if you win the jackpot, it just won't happen..

but people would like to think that they are in control, hence the idea of being in charge of your destiny...

You are given a share of fortune as you enter this realm and you do have choices, for instance the choice of 'What you Do with what you're given' but some other things are not among your choices and yes... [ More ]

Reply #19

badboy00z — Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:51:24 GMT

And the best for you as well.

Reply #18

THRUST — Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:14:40 GMT

I feel your pain. I have been out of work for a year, have had health problems and have been turned away from every job I have applied for. Seriously I don't even want to win the jackpot...all I need is $1,000,000.

Hope for the best for you badboy00z.

Reply #17

joker17 — Thu, 30 Sep 2010 03:42:37 GMT

Just like in life, we have to make decisions, and that goes with Lotto.

Reply #16

tiggs95 — Thu, 30 Sep 2010 02:17:04 GMT

...how does it apply to lotto?...it don't...next question..

Reply #15

rdgrnr — Thu, 30 Sep 2010 01:39:49 GMT

If that's the case, I hope you win badboy00z.

I'll catch the next one.

Reply #14

badboy00z — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:10:21 GMT

If it's always darkest just before dawn then I feel I will win the Super Lotto tonight. My life has been really crappy lately...

Reply #13

visiondude — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:57:37 GMT

it sure is a comforting place to be in life where i am going to only pursue something based in foreknowledge of the event.

in that vein, i am predestined if i am right about it.

but, i have still have free will to stay the course and flesh it out, or, i can pull up short and take a complete detour in the opposite direction, thereby cancelling out what would have been, had i stayed the course despite challenges or lengths of time.

i like anyone else guess at various forks in the road, an... [ More ]

Reply #12

joker17 — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:08:28 GMT

Agreed.

If everything is predetermined, free will goes right out the window.

Predestiny and free will are complicated issues, that in my opinion cancel each other out.

Personally, I don't believe in predetermination/predestiny, as it destroys any meaningful purpose in our lives. I'd like to think that I am soley responsible for my actions. If everything is predestined, then why bother worrying about any consequences for my actions?

Bottom line, Quantum theory is for me, the best sol... [ More ]

Reply #11

Coin Toss — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:44:15 GMT

Interesting choice of words for the poll question as the usual argument is predestination vs free will, but that of course smacks of religious overtones, John Calvin, and five pointers.

The way the title of the thread was worded I took it to mean people who are themselves determined to win, not whom fate has determined will win.

Some say we have to believe in free will, it's our destiny!

Personally I think there are a lot of forks in the road that we either take or don't take. An exampl... [ More ]

Reply #10

ttech10 — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:28:08 GMT

Also look at how many other winners win in such ways. The main ones I think of is where the people buy the mistake tickets or where someone forgot their slip with their numbers so they do QP.

Of course I've had an instance of a buying a mistake ticket and it didn't match more than one number.

Reply #9

THRUST — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:52:54 GMT

Twilight sucks.

As to the question...what about intention...remember the lady from Cal who won $112 Mil because she believed she attracted it

Reply #8

rdgrnr — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:33:36 GMT

If every action taken has been predetermined, I think I'll just go ahead and pour a stiff one without recalcitration.

For who am I to challenge destiny

Reply #7

rdgrnr — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:21:32 GMT

And one is the lonliest number that you'll ever do.

Reply #6

OwlCreekBridge — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:06:46 GMT

There aren't enough choices in this poll. what about these?

I believe in Determination and I think I'm destined to win big some day

or

I believe in Determination and I think it is my fate to never win big but spending $4 a week on lotto tickets is cheaper than going to the movies and it's alot more entertaining.

Read this article https://www.lotterypost.com/news/221072

It's about Garina Fearon, a prison guard who won 54 million dollars as a result of buying the WRONG ticket. She m... [ More ]

Reply #5

savagegoose — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:42:41 GMT

but what if there is a multi verse, a new universe where ever you make a descision there is another you that makes the opositise, descision?

could there be a universe where you always pick the correct lotto numbers, ea week?

why doesnt he drop by and shout me a few beers sometime

Reply #4

sully16 — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:38:20 GMT

and twilight is the loneliest time of day.

Reply #3

rdgrnr — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:21:52 GMT

When contemplating Philosophy, it is good to remember that it is always darkest just before the dawn.

And that's the best time to steal your neighbor's newspaper.

Reply #2

sully16 — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:31:45 GMT

Forest Gump says life is like a box of chocolates and you never know what your going to get.

Reply #1

Raven62 — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:30:47 GMT

One Word: Greed!

Greed: An excessive, selfish desire to have or acquire Wealth.

Avarice: Passion for acquiring and hoarding riches; Wealth.

Avaricious: Driven to gain Wealth.

Determination versus Free Will

Bigwhale — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:14:08 GMT

Philosophy is said to undergird the way we think. Philosophy has developed to teach us how to think better, more clearly. Philosophy, in one definition is considered one rolling argument. So philosophy and lotto (gambling) must be tied together at a very deep level