Backtesting and Simulating Lottery Systems

Reply #136

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 17 May 2011 19:17:21 GMT

Jimmy

There is no difference in our understanding of Probability and Statistics except when it concerns the lottery.

The lottery is my escape from the ridgeness of reality and if I thought of the lottery in terms of the odds I would

never play. Some people go fishing, some go to bars and others may go to church. There are many places we

go to get away from it all and mine is the lottery. My picks will always have as good a chance as any other ticket

while at the same time it poses... [ More ]

Reply #135

jimmy4164 — Tue, 17 May 2011 14:25:19 GMT

It's too bad our understanding of Probability and Statistics is so divergent because we agree on a lot!

While capitalism is necessary to promote growth it has ran amuck in the US and abroad.

I would modify this by replacing necessary with able and assert that this is probably our major problem because continuous growth on a finite planet is a recipe for disaster. Since our finite resources are beginning to restrict this growth the processes of capitalism are now being focused on the task... [ More ]

Reply #134

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 17 May 2011 08:12:49 GMT

Jimmy

Isaac Asimov's article placed part of the blame for lack of science aptitude on the teachings of the bible.

I blame capitalism and greed for the lack of interest in these fields. I read a article and it stated that many

of the most brilliant math students were being sucked up by wall street. This alone would go a long way

in describing the problem. All the power is now controlled by the banks and corporations which have sold

out america and it's people. The banks and corpor... [ More ]

Reply #133

jimmy4164 — Tue, 17 May 2011 04:48:40 GMT

I think you're confused RL. Your response appears to be to truecritic's misguided comment on my Blog post which dealt with Stephen Hawking's religious beliefs. My Blog entry is on Isaac Asimov's take on American science education...

Reply #132

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 17 May 2011 00:14:01 GMT

jimmy

Many of the most brilliant minds in recorded history believed in a afterlife or God in some fashion and I doubt

the bible is the problem. I do agree that the bible is just a bunch or stories written by men. I also wonder who

or what it was that gave Stephen Hawking a extended chance. If memory serves, he was somehow warned about

wasting his early life. The problem with the USA is money, either too much or too little. Most of the other

countries that are making leaps and bou... [ More ]

Reply #131

jimmy4164 — Mon, 16 May 2011 17:59:42 GMT

A Blog Entry prompted by some of the posts above...

Reply #130

time*treat — Sat, 14 May 2011 00:41:14 GMT

With only a finite number of chances to be on the correct side of the bell curve, I'd play for higher prizes.

P3 ain't it. That's like grinding shares for 1/16th of a point gains.

Reply #129

Stack47 — Fri, 13 May 2011 19:34:04 GMT

If I recall correctly your 33 and 1/2 years PA evening pick-3 analysis showed playing the most frequently drawn number in every drawing would result in a loss so there is really nothing to learn by extending it to 54 years.

Did anyone come out ahead in $ winnings in 20,000 Draws?

This question alone is why I believe the test should be more realistic pick-3 play. Considering the fact a player age 18 would be 72 at the end of the test, this questions should be Will anyone still be alive af... [ More ]

Reply #128

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 13 May 2011 16:43:13 GMT

Jimmy

I thought this post was about Backtesting and Simulating Lottery Systems but I will refrane from posting

on your post.

RL

Reply #127

jimmy4164 — Fri, 13 May 2011 00:22:42 GMT

RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

What's under discussion here at the moment is the shape of the curve of the distribution of QuickPick winnings in a Pick3 game. You're rambling here has very little if anything to do with that. You said, Try as I might I cannot see the point of what you are doing here. You then proceed to completely ignore the data and graph and make no attempt to answer even one of the questions asked. When your belief is that Backtesting the lottery is also worthless...,

...why are you p... [ More ]

Reply #126

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Thu, 12 May 2011 19:11:48 GMT

Jimmy

Try as I might I cannot see the point of what you are doing here. First, jades 1 for 10 or 10 for 1 has no real value

other then to point out the odds for the draw are fixed. If I play one ticket for 10 draws or I play ten tickets for one

draw I would have the exact same odds. Backtesting the lottery is also worthless in my opinion because it would

require a person to go back in time to reap any benifit. If one was using static settings that never changed even

then what good... [ More ]

Reply #125

jimmy4164 — Thu, 12 May 2011 16:40:04 GMT

This is not what I said I would be posting next here. But after considering Stack47's comments in the Poll Thread on this Topic, I think it's more important to continue looking at the effects on the distribution of winnings when the number of trials is increased or decreased. Besides, if JADELOTTERY's simulation of One Ticket / Ten Draws vs Ten Tickets / One Draw does not convince you that the way we stage the draw / people loops here is irrelavent, I doubt if I'll change your mind. But time per... [ More ]

Reply #124

jimmy4164 — Mon, 09 May 2011 05:45:45 GMT

I made a small modification to the Pick-3 simulation code [posted earlier in this thread] to produce output that should be more familiar to most people here. Rather than output the Equity remaining from $5000 after 5000 $1 bets, I converted to Prize Ratio notation. So, a Prize Ratio of 50 corresponds to $2500 Equity remaining in the earlier posting. Here's a screen shot of the transformed results in Excel.

I wrote a throw-away program to compress the 50,000 lines of output from the simula... [ More ]

Reply #123

jimmy4164 — Sat, 07 May 2011 04:51:05 GMT

Here's a site that will interest Excel users...

http://ExcelMonteCarlo.com

Reply #122

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:17:52 GMT

Jimmy

It looks like this code was written over 13.7 years ago and maybe twice that for a 8086 machine running

msdos 1.0.

Reply #121

garyo1954 — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:23:26 GMT

Jimbooble!!!!

Had fun playing with the code. Thanks for posting it!!!

My complaints: NONE OF THIS IS YOUR FAULT!!

1) The output screen is lacking any explanantion. It shows the number of draws, the ending balance (Equity after the 5000 draws), and then it shows the last QP number and last lottery draw. There were 4999 other draws not shown! Can't figure why that was done.

2) It would have been much more realistic to dimension 50,000 (or at least 100 people with one QP each) for each... [ More ]

Reply #120

garyo1954 — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:40:56 GMT

Jimbooble!!!!!

VERY nice! No kidding. Haven't played with it yet, but I will.

Don't know what version of Excel you have, but 2007, (under Insert) there are plenty of options to make chart, line, bar, pie, area, column......don't use them much myself.

Nice explanation of what does what too!

Thanks for sharing it. Now I'll give this post 5 . (Sorry for the 4. My thumbulator is pushing the thingabob on the widget too fast. Did I mention I hate Vista

Reply #119

jimmy4164 — Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:49:39 GMT

P.S. In Excel, after loading the data file, go to

tools/Data Analysis/Histogram and go from there.

Reply #118

jimmy4164 — Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:43:34 GMT

Since Basic is the most mentioned computer language here, I adapted the Roulette Simulation from TASC magazine to simulate a Pick3 Game. You should be able to use the source code below to experiment with other simulations. The code is simple because it merely outputs one number for each Trial (Person), leaving the graphics, if wanted, to Excel, or any other program you might prefer. I loaded it into Excel and produced a Histogram similar to those I scanned from the magazine above. The first pict... [ More ]

Reply #117

Stack47 — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 03:40:32 GMT

Now that I composed myself.

Haven't read the post you are talking about yet.

Maybe it's just me, but before I make a bet, I want know what I'm betting on.

Would I bet $1 on the next 10 pick-5 games trying to match 2 or 3 numbers? Nope.

Would I bet $10 on the next drawing trying to match 2 or 3 numbers? Nope

Would I make either bet in the next 15,000,000 drawings for the same reasons? You got to be kidding me.

A true test would calulate how many jackpots were won by betting $1... [ More ]

Reply #116

Stack47 — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 02:25:54 GMT

I'm not terribly impressed you can write C. Most people your age have already mastered D, E, F, G, H, .......all the way to Z!

Did anybody else snort their soft drink through their nose after reading this

Reply #115

garyo1954 — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 01:41:49 GMT

Jimbooble!!!!

There's a revelation for everybody! You never buy lottery software but your Magic Ju-Ju tells you it's all bad. Maybe you should put that Magic Ju-Ju to work, win the lottery, and buy all the software you want.

I'm not terribly impressed you can write C. Most people your age have already mastered D, E, F, G, H, .......all the way to Z!

My comments on JADELottery? He's one of the very creative and 'think outside the box' people I come here to find. Haven't read the post yo... [ More ]

Reply #114

jimmy4164 — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:26:01 GMT

I've never paid for lottery software and I write my own Monte Carlo simulations in C.

Was there a glitch in your post? It looks like your comments on experiences with Monte Carlo methods in Excel must have been truncated. (?)

I also haven't been able to locate any of your comments on JADELottery's simulation runs in the Lottery Discussion Forum. Read Doug's latest post; the simulator will cease to function soon.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/229884/2025692

--Jimmy4164... [ More ]

Reply #113

garyo1954 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 22:16:50 GMT

Jimbooble!!!!!!

Will wonders never cease? Here you are moaning, complaining, and crying about having to pay for lottery software and won't try a FREE Monte Carlo simulation.

Reply #112

jimmy4164 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:02:20 GMT

Looks like a good time to Reboot!

Since I'm not an Excel fan, I won't be downloading this FREE trial of Monte Carlo software. I'm posting it here for anyone seriously interested in these methods who also likes Excel.

http://www.palisade.com/risk/?gclid=CNvBlNiOpKgCFUpN4Aod8H1GHQ

If you try it, please let us know here what you think.

--Jimmy4164

Reply #111

RJOh — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:47:13 GMT

Usually some of the 13 numbers could be part of a combination that could meet the filter criteria but there's not six of them together that can. That when you have to decide to keep all 13 or add more numbers and just keep the ones that meet the filter criteria, it all depends on the number of lines you're planning to play.

Reply #110

Ramijami — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:26:22 GMT

RJOh,

For a run like this where I know the last 13 numbers might not meet the filter criteria I set, I have a Wildcard feature that makes combinations from the left over 13 numbers. So out of the 8 combinations in a 6/49 game I will then have 6 that meet the filter criteria and 2 that don't, or I can have the 2 meet at least one filter criteria that I set (which is matching no more than 4 from the previous draws).

Reply #109

truecritic — Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:08:39 GMT

Yes.

The IBM compiler can work either way.

A) Leave the BRUN file separate from the program and compile a smaller program.

OR

B) Compile the BRUN file into the program and it comes out to a slightly larger filesize. Then it is completely stand alone and anyone can run it.

Reply #108

RJOh — Sat, 16 Apr 2011 04:05:48 GMT

GW BASIC was what I used as well. I compiled one of two ways: IBM Compiler. Or Quick Basic. The version I had of QB did not let me save a stand-alone program while the IBM Compiler did.

Programs complied with the QB compiler requires the run time file BRUN20.EXE be in the same directory to run.

Reply #107

truecritic — Sat, 16 Apr 2011 03:42:20 GMT

Did yours come with the little book/folder for your OS floppies.

Not positive...I've had more of those book/folder things than I can remember.

My original computer(s) was a Timex 2KB with the 14KB module. I had to buy more than one. It had a membrane keyboard and I kept wearing them out. I believe I still have a working one somewhere. The monitor was any TV that was handy and you did use cassette tapes for the storage device.

RJOH

GW BASIC was what I used as well. I compiled o... [ More ]

Reply #106

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 22:35:17 GMT

mayhem

Although everything can be coded I still perfer to include a (hands on) analysis of the data. I find that the

more I leave things to the program the worse I do. Many times I like to write information down using a pen

and paper. The process of doing this will often cause me to see things that were missed when just looking

at the data. I often tell people that the subconscious mind is a very powerful tool and when you rob it of

any inputs then it does not function at it's f... [ More ]

Reply #105

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 22:06:31 GMT

RJOh

My very first computer was not in a case, It was a bunch of parts that took up a table top. My first introduction

to programming was quite by accident. I was studying analogue electronics taking courses on the side while in

the Air Force. One of the courses included few chapters on digital electronics theory and programming. We all had

to write a small program for a ADC project. We did not have any computers in the lab and so our code was written

on paper. I had a older frien... [ More ]

Reply #104

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:54:10 GMT

RJOh

I think that much of your code will run in QB64 which will be around for a long time. Those that want to

do some basic programming should try it out. About anything needed for lottery can be done in basic.

RL

Reply #103

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:42:14 GMT

Stack

I think I still have a box of those old tapes, they looked like a cassette tape. I also had a old colorado tape drive

I used as a backup, don't remember the year. I still have a tandy dot matrix printer that I use with a data logger

from time to time. That stuff was so cool back then. 300kb modem LMAO my first modem was a 9600.

RL

Reply #102

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:30:26 GMT

truecritic

I hear what your saying. I remember doing a video upgrade and the kit came as a handful of 16 or 18 pin

IC's. You had to plug each one in a empty socket on the motherboard. I think it was a 32KB upgrade. I

loved the sounds those old PC made, sounded like a airplane starting up. zipping, buzzing, beeping, aaanttt,

clicking. Cooooool. Did yours come with the little book/folder for your OS floppies.

RL

Reply #101

RJOh — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:42:54 GMT

I just wanted to know what part of the process the seasoned professionals were taking so long at so I know what to look forward to in the future and make sure I don't waste too much time.

Self-taught rather than seasoned professionals might be a better description. If you learned to program from a professional at a school then you probably avoided some of the bad habits one can develop when self-taught that make a computer program very inefficient. Also some of the latest versions of the high... [ More ]

Reply #100

RJOh — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:14:03 GMT

Sounds like we both traveled similar paths but mine started out with a TI computer and then to a Commode 64 before I bought a Tandy1000. Both the TI and Commode had a console Basic that were similar to Tandy RS Basic which was GWBasic with a few extra features.

Some of the routines I used on my Tandy computer I still use in my GWBasic programs today. I fear Window7 will end my use of GWBasic but for right now I still have a couple of computers with WindowXP that still have a few years left s... [ More ]

Reply #99

mayhem — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:36:47 GMT

My first computer ran windows 98 with 16 gigs.

Now I'm rolling on 7 and several terabytes worth of media. Thank you Netflix and DVD copying software.

Reply #98

mayhem — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:29:39 GMT

Thank you for taking the time to explain that RJOh. I actually have spent quite a bit of time compiling data. In fact the computer only takes a few minutes at most analyzing the data but when I step into the process, well that is easily days of work. But then again, I'm a newbie and very inefficient. I just wanted to know what part of the process the seasoned professionals were taking so long at so I know what to look forward to in the future and make sure I don't waste too much time.

Si... [ More ]

Reply #97

mayhem — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:14:26 GMT

Thank you for the explanation RL. It's tidbits like these that help others figure out the mind of a lottery player. :)

And this is exactly why I posed the question. I was wondering if it was a complex algorithm or the human element that was taking the time.

Reply #96

Stack47 — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:43:29 GMT

Mine was the Tandy Color Computer that used a tape recorder or one external 5.25 360K floppy drive. I had to copy each component on another floppy disk to use Microsoft's Desk Mate program. Tandy also made a pocket computer that used a docking station to download programs off cassettes.

Reply #95

time*treat — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:43:27 GMT

Yeah, those old dot-matix printers were built like tanks (and made almost as much noise).

No middle-of-the-night printouts on those things.

I still have one around here, somewhere, but my newest PC doesn't have 25-pin ports.

Owned a few ink-jet printers in the mean time, and only found one model that went the distance.

Reply #94

garyo1954 — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:06:43 GMT

RL, RJOH,

You two are telling the story of Christmas, 1987.

Our oldest son, Jeremy, wanted to take a spring course on computer basics, which was just beginning to be taught in high school. So we decided to get him a Tandy 256 with a 5 1/4, 360K, floppy drive. When I saw the guy demonstrating it, and heard the assurance that Tandy was not going out of business because it had Radio Shack's backing. I decided I had to have one to see what this monster was all about.

Wrote my first program... [ More ]

Reply #93

JosephusMinimus — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:14:55 GMT

You guys picked the right time to learn how to program computers. When I got my old Kaypro with its CPM operating system, 198K gloppies and 32k ram it came with a word processor that did everything I could imagine a computer doing, a spreadsheet so much better than a Friedan mechanical calculator, and a small db system it seemed to me someone had already done all the heavy lifting and there wasn't much point learning how to program it. I never did.

Now, 30+ years later every time I go to town... [ More ]

Reply #92

time*treat — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:54:03 GMT

That was me with my first 1GB HD and then a few years later a bargain on some 9GB drives. In both cases I was all I'll never use this much space. Remember the prices paid for those things? Seemed like good deals at the time, anyway.

................

With regard to pairs, triplets, etc., these can be kept as static lists (no real need to create them every time you run your code, but not much cost either) 40 choose 2 or 40 choose 3 will always produce the same two groups. 780 9,880.

Eg... [ More ]

Reply #91

truecritic — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:21:13 GMT

If the programs were still in DOS and not bloated Windows, 20 MB would have taken a long time to fill (although not a lifetime).

To think there are individual programs now that won't even FIT on a 20 MB drive!

It was 1987 when I got my first IBM clone with dual drives. 360,000KB 5 floppies. No hard drive.

Reply #90

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:11:26 GMT

RJOh

I wrote my first lottery program on a tandy computer. It had two external 5.25 360K floppy drives and was

the envy of everyone. I remember that I had to put in the first disk and turn it on then after it read that disk I

would need to put in a second disk before it would boot to a A:\ prompt. I later got a 20mb HDD for it that was

mounted on a ISA card. I think it was called a winchester drive. I remember thinking that it would take the rest

of my life to fill a 20mb drive. I... [ More ]

Reply #89

RJOh — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:32:52 GMT

You obviously have spent little or no time compiling lottery data.

The time depends on the amount of data you have and the amount of information you want the computer to generate. For example I have 2243 drawings in my RC5 file and it take about .3 sec. to compare one drawing with the other 2242 but if I want to compare all 2243 with the other 2243, that's 750 secs. or about 10 minutes. That's very fast compared to doing the same thing with paper and pencil but a super computer using a progra... [ More ]

Reply #88

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:20:00 GMT

mayhem

For me it's a matter of finding supporting data. I know my choices are just guesses in the grand scheme

of things but a guess can have a lot of thought behind it. I can set everything and make a run in less then

5 minuets if I just wanted to take the top 2 or 3 values for each filter or stage but I wait for certain cycles and

then hold off as long as I dare and then make a very refined run. My main system goes through every set

in the matrix each run and may find as few as... [ More ]

Reply #87

mayhem — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 04:16:01 GMT

Why does this data take so long to compile guys

Reply #86

RJOh — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 01:21:29 GMT

I know what you mean, I'm have the same problems with more than 2200 records of Rolling Cash5, I trying to come up with ways to complied that data faster since RC5 is a daily game and most of my programs are limited to less than 600 records so I usually have to result to other methods of getting that data complied which I don't have enough time before another drawing has occured.

I'll be glad to share any knowledge I have with you but remember I've done all my programming in GWBasic and I not... [ More ]

Reply #85

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:38:36 GMT

RJOh

I am still working on it and would like to know if I can pick your mind from time to time. I sometimes

have to wait a couple weeks on the data to show using my program and want to try and come up with

a method that would allow me to play more often.

Thanks

RL

Reply #84

RJOh — Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:25:40 GMT

I like having the number pool because it allows me to simulate two different styles of play. (A)It's like having all the numbers in a sack and pulling out 5 or 6 at a time until they're all gone thus allowing me to nearly play all the numbers or (B) pulling out 5 or 6 at a time, recording them and throwing them back into the sack and picking again much as a regular drawing where the previous picks have no effect on the latest pick. It all depends on my style of playing and I don't have to rewrit... [ More ]

Reply #83

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Thu, 14 Apr 2011 01:31:43 GMT

RJOh

Thanks for the reply, This makes much more sense then what I was trying. The approach I used above

does not take into account number coverage and treats each set in a first come first serve. If the set

passes all the filters it is accepted which could produce sets with very few total numbers. I was working

on a option to limit paris, trays and quads matches but need to work out a way to control how many of

each to allow without putting the process into a endless loop. This s... [ More ]

Reply #82

RJOh — Thu, 14 Apr 2011 00:24:38 GMT

...when you pick your numbers does your software generate and filter at the same time or do you generate the sets first and then apply the filters after the fact.

It kinda does both. I usually pick combinations within parameters that cover 95% of previous winners in their categories so when combinations are generated that don't fit within all those parameters, they are rejected until one that fits is found and then I have the choice of accepting or rejecting it.

The program will continue... [ More ]

Reply #81

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:01:45 GMT

RJOh

I have a quick question, when you pick your numbers does your software generate and filter at the same time

or do you generate the sets first and then apply the filters after the fact. I added a RNG option to what I am

using and it filters as it goes. If I use more then just a few filters then the run can take a very long time to

pick even 10 lines. #2. Do you set ranges for each number/position in the generating stage. I included the

code for the RNG that I am using

Reply #80

RJOh — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:39:53 GMT

...a lot of those attempts rely on nuances easily corrected by the lottery administrations if the systems worked...

Many of those nuances are just the natures of the game and there's nothing lottery administration can or would do to change them and still have an honest game.

For example in Ohio 649 game, 50% of the winning combinations have 2 or more adjacent numbers while only one third of PowerBall and MegaMillions have them, so avoiding those types of combinations might give a PB or MM... [ More ]

Reply #79

Stack47 — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:39:58 GMT

But a lot of those attempts rely on nuances easily corrected by the lottery administrations if the systems worked and the lottery administrations became aware of what was being done to beat them and how it was being done.

What could any state lottery do to prevent one player from beating them that has no affect on the rest of the players

Reply #78

JosephusMinimus — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:25:22 GMT

I've wondered about that a lot reading the posts on the systems and this forum. A lot of people on the systems forum and some of the others are putting a lot of effort into trying to build systems capable of getting an edge on lottery operations. But a lot of those attempts rely on nuances easily corrected by the lottery administrations if the systems worked and the lottery administrations became aware of what was being done to beat them and how it was being done.

A person would be almost fo... [ More ]

Reply #77

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 04:57:36 GMT

RJOh

I think you are correct, The best we can hope for is for someone to just post a filter or other idea that

may help or give someone another idea to test or add to what they are using, kind of a tips and tricks

post.

RL

Reply #76

RJOh — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 04:11:48 GMT

Expecting strangers at a lottery forum to come together and do something constructive for the benefit of all players is probably a big stretch.

However, I could be wrong. Maybe there are a few folks among the +100,000 members here who would join in and do something that benefits more than themselves.

Lottery systems aren't designed by groups or teams, but by individualist. I doubt is anyone who has spent time designing a system for himself would have any interests in joining a team to work... [ More ]

Reply #75

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 04:45:06 GMT

Jimmy

You've got to be kidding!

Are you saying that picking so many digits to play needs some advanced math to calculate what the odds

for matching 3,4,5 or more of them. Looks like another side step to me.

RL

Reply #74

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 04:26:38 GMT

Jimmy

Maybe not as smart as many and Intelligence test would say that at least 5 or 6 out of every 1000 are more

Intelligent then I am. So based on this I would say that there are at least 50 to 150 people here at LP that are

above me in this area. I don't think this gives me any advantage because you don't need to be smart or intelligent

to win or lose the lottery, the numbers don't care one way or the other.

RL

Reply #73

jimmy4164 — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 03:06:35 GMT

Thanks Ameriken,

You might understand why I show frustration or get impatient at times if you note that I've been saying this here for at least 8 months, and I've been employing these techniques in my own play for years!

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/218174/1728520

Reply #72

ameriken — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 02:21:19 GMT

I don't believe there is any way to beat the lottery, other than to be lucky and hit the jackpot. What is worth pursuing are methods that spread your losses out by increasing your hits of small prizes.

That's one of the more reasonable things I've heard you say about system play. Personally, that is all I really expect from system play is to reduce my cost while waiting on the elusive JP win, or perhaps being able to put more #'s into play for the same money.

Reply #71

jimmy4164 — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:12:22 GMT

Thanks for your thoughtful post bobby623.

Don't you guys think it's time for you to put aside your personal animosities

and get back to the question at hand? Personally, I'd appreciate some constructive comments regarding the role of 'substitution' as it applies to lottery strategies.

If you start at the top of this thread that I initiated in an effort to conduct a discussion of backtesting and simulations, I think you will see that the problems are the result of interference from those... [ More ]

Reply #70

bobby623 — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:55:13 GMT

Don't you guys think it's time for you to put aside your personal animosities

and get back to the question at hand?

Personally, I'd appreciate some constructive comments regarding the role of

'substitution' as it applies to lottery strategies.

If the odds of this or that happening for everything is the general rule,

then we should just mail a check to our state lottery and go watch TV.

If, on the other hand, there is good reason to believe that, despite the odds, there are

w... [ More ]

Reply #69

jimmy4164 — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:35:41 GMT

You've got to be kidding!

After all the disclaimers you've made about the impossibility of backtesting your system, you want ME to do it? I offered to show through simulation/backtesting that your primary filter will result in betting sets that do no better than QPs. You and your cohorts agreed in advance, explaining that I was correct because that filter was of no value in isolation.

You know what's required to backtest it. It's a modified version of your program that sequences itself th... [ More ]

Reply #68

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:13:11 GMT

Gary

I am also working on a RNG option, I got the idea from RJOh's post. This way one can set any filters, digits

or groups and then select how many sets to generate and press go. This would allow the user to open the

field a little and still play on the days when the data is hard to pin down so to speak.

RL

Reply #67

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:02:54 GMT

Gary

There is no one way to do it, I try to select as many digits to put in play or to block and then I make

adjustments as needed. Each day after the drawing I may run as many as 100 setups just to see what effect

each setting could of had. All the pics I placed for download would fit into this practice, You may notice the times

on the pics showing that I spend very little time as I am just playing with the settings. When I make a run using

what I think will hit and get too many

Reply #66

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:37:33 GMT

Jimmy

Who do you really think you are. You attacked my system without understanding it. Next you accussed me

of trying to use LP as a method to sell it, Next you accused me of being disingenuous, I placed the digit

system out there for anyone to read and let them decide if it was for them. You attacked my spelling errors

math mistakes, my person, and the list goes on and on. You take so many side steps that it was hard for me

to follow what you were talking about. What is this sci... [ More ]

Reply #65

garyo1954 — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:36:24 GMT

RL,

I'm noticing in F10 you didn't block any numbers and set the 0/1 for 4,5,6,7,8,9,0. Is that just for backtesting or a good setup to play?

Looking at these, I see I have a lot to learn about the sidebar filters.

Great Job my friend

Reply #64

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:59:40 GMT

Jimmy

Here is the link to download setups for day 3. These are after the draw and are given here to

supply you a means to backtest my system. Just copy and past the link into the address bar if

you are unable to click the link. This time I included picks for digit selections and filter selections

to make things a little clearer for backtesting. I think that from these you should be able to figure

out what is needed to run a bacltest given the almost unlimited user inputs that can

Reply #63

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:24:27 GMT

Jimbo

I told you Gary was smarter then you think, I figured he was up to something and even I had to wait for him

to make this post before I understood what it was. Jimmy get some help dude, you need it.

RL

Reply #62

jimmy4164 — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:21:48 GMT

All of this damage control just adds more to the suspicions that many thinking persons must have about WHAT is COMPELLING you and 2 or 3 others to continue your relentless campaign to stop me from providing readers with a scientific look at lottery systems. They must also be wondering why you're not out on the tour of the country's state lotteries that I suggested, cashing in on your 11 to 1 edge winning system, rather than wasting your time here trying to convice others that you've found the ho... [ More ]

Reply #61

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:00:01 GMT

ameriken

Jimmy is the LP self appointed cop and his mission is to protect us from people trying to make a buck

or two off people who can't do math. I think that if RP does something that Todd feels is inappropriate

then Todd will take care of it. LP was here and done just fine before jimbo ever showed up and Todd

is the reason. I don't know Robert Perkins and never read his post but I don't need jimmy telling me

what to do either.

RL

Reply #60

mayhem — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:57:15 GMT

This all could be faked. Not accusing you, but I'm just saying.

I hope its real though. If it is, your on to something. But doesn't something need to happen a few times predictably to have credibility

Reply #59

garyo1954 — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:53:48 GMT

Jimboo-boo!!!!!!

RL has told you the truth. There is no conspiracy among the people who talk off board. RL and I share some common ideas about jackpot games in which he has been more than willing to assist. I've stated in the past that I don't play Cash 5, never bought a ticket for it, and that's the truth.

The story about the old computer? Entirely true. The old XP machine is used to crunch data. Not connected to the internet. I also have a laptop with Vista, which I truly hate, and this... [ More ]

Reply #58

ameriken — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:47:46 GMT

Our old buddy Robert Perkis (Lotto-Logix) is back on the prowl - did you notice?

Jimmy...is there something about this that we should be wary of

Reply #57

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:35:02 GMT

Jim BO-BO-BO the clown

I always state that my post are after the fact and what would be the point to pick one line and then

say that I picked it before the draw as though it would convince anyone. This had to be a joke and

I see you fell for it hook, line and sinker. The fuzzy pic should have been red flag as to what he was

up to.

PS

I never overestimate your abilities I don't think you have any.

Reply #56

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:14:38 GMT

Jimmy

When you make accusations you better be able to back them up. You are the one who mentioned ME as

If I was part of of a scheme of some kind. You are doing your side step dance again, you bought me into

this not the other way around.

RL

Reply #55

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:06:00 GMT

PS MO. holds it's draws at 8:59 which is a new time. It use to be around 6:45 until a few weeks ago.

Reply #54

jimmy4164 — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:03:44 GMT

I thought you'd come up with something better than this, but then, I keep overestimating your capabilities. Interesting how you feel compelled to intervene in an exchange between me and garyo1954.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/229947/2019170

...And what do MO draw times have to do with the TX Cash 5

Reply #53

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:48:11 GMT

Jimbo

Gary and I have not cooked up some sort of plan to team up on you, are you getting paranoid.

I like Gary and love it when he he gives you a hard time but sorry there is no conspiracy at least not

any that I am aware of. I think he is just doing a anti-jimbo imitation for our entertainment. I also would

think that he done the time thing on purpose just to get you going, I think he is a little smarter then that.

RL

Reply #52

jimmy4164 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:35:44 GMT

They thought the TX Cash 5 Lotto was drawn at 11:00 pm so they timestamped what looks like a prediction in RL's program at 10:55. The drawing was at 10:12! garyo1954 tried to explain with some mundane story about a computer...

see above...

I'm sure they're working at this moment on a cover story.

I'm getting sick of this business. There is an old saying that I've found to be true over many years. When you have trouble figuring out what's motivating someone when they don't say what it is... [ More ]

Reply #51

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:30:53 GMT

mayham

I am not sure what is going on, I posted some picks for the last two days to provide jimmy some

information on building a backtest. I don't know it Garyo won a JP or not, If he did then congrats

garyo but I think that he is just pulling jimmy's chain. Gary's post go over my head most of the time

and there seems to be something going on between him and jimbo that the rest of us don't know

about.

RL

Reply #50

mayhem — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:34:51 GMT

Is someone trying to say they predicted a cash 5 jackpot

Reply #49

jimmy4164 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:12:45 GMT

Screwed up, didn't you?

Pathetic...

Jimmy4164 wondered, Congratulations! To someone? Maybe?

A winner in the TX Cash 5 on March 5, 2011,

drawn at 10:12 PM Central Time?

Which time zone was that 10:55 time stamp made in?

Your LP profiles say both you and RL are in Central.

It would help to know this so one might speculate

on just what your pretty picture is trying to announce.

Of course, it really doesn't matter much anyway, does it

Reply #48

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:12:02 GMT

DAY DATE NUMBERS

==================================

SAT 04/09/11 05 06 08 15 37 NA 1010211100

link for another 10 for last nights draw

http://www.box.net/shared/dcbfuvo181

PS Several of my online services are acting very strange from my email to other online accounts

The man may be after me.

RL

Reply #47

garyo1954 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:16:20 GMT

Thanks Jimmy. Nobody won.

The camera is a Nikon Coolpix L19, 8 megapixel. Time is 24 hour mode.

The computer is a Compaq, circa 2003, maxed out in upgrades, passed between me and my son, as needed, more time than the warranty allows. It's the only machine he ever used that he couldn't destroy. Silly machine is still running on it's second monitor, an old CRT gaming screen. It's a lucky machine maybe.

No complaints. Didn't play it. The intent was there. The emotions were high.

Then yo... [ More ]

Reply #46

jimmy4164 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:23:23 GMT

Congratulations! To someone? Maybe?

A winner in the TX Cash 5 on March 5, 2011,

drawn at 10:12 PM Central Time?

Which time zone was that 10:55 time stamp made in?

Your LP profiles say both you and RL are in Central.

It would help to know this so one might speculate

on just what your pretty picture is trying to announce.

Of course, it really doesn't matter much anyway, does it

Reply #45

garyo1954 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:24:24 GMT

Yeah, I quit reading that garyo guys posts too! He sounds like one of those people who eat oatmeal because Wilford Brimley said it was good.

Hey here's a cool picture for you. When Jimbooble-looble gets back he's giong to answer why this is a bad set of numbers, why one should never play them, how long it would take before someone could reasonably expect these to hit, and 18 septillion other question you never knew you had.

If you didn't make paragraph two, just look at the pretty picture.... [ More ]

Reply #44

truecritic — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:35:29 GMT

One finds it easy to believe you are telling the truth about being paid for your posts - they really don't add anything to the thread. Normally I read about a paragraph and skip to the next poster. Will you still get paid, if I don't read them

Reply #43

garyo1954 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:25:55 GMT

Jimboo-boo!!!!!

You are displaying the horrors of oldtimers with alzheimers. You start a thread and then you have nothing to say or offer. This is why your 'Kelly' thread is approaching 400 views with 1 reply. The one reply is you talking to yourself, which is another sign of mental instability. Same reason your caregiver only alllows you a plastic spoon to eat your jello. He knows you'd poke you eye out with a fork.

I'm being paid $50 a page up to five pages as long as you waffle, obfusca... [ More ]

Reply #42

jimmy4164 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:36:59 GMT

gary,

Could you please be more specific? Just what model would you like to see back-tested? Since you and RL have made it clear the Digit System is unfathomable with a computer program, what would you like to see simulated? Can you specify it according to Bluejay's guidelines? As for that primary filter we discussed earlier, do you really need a simulation and its resulting output to demonstrate to you that accepting random betting sets for a (5,39) Lotto game only when their digit count is 5... [ More ]

Reply #41

garyo1954 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 03:47:46 GMT

Jimboo-boo!!!!!!!

Your pink tutu goes with the clown shoes nicely but your Echappe needs much work. The good news is once you get your foot out of your mouth, you will find it easier to stand up. Don't get me wrong, laying on the ground, spinning, while holding your ankle is cool, but feel free to stop while I review.

You say you know the results without writing the simulation.

Knowing this to be untrue, I asked, Then why not post the results without all the fancy breakdance moves... [ More ]

Reply #40

truecritic — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:10:44 GMT

77 MB is too large for emails.

I saw you uploaded pictures in a separate post, got them. Haven't looked at them yet but did download them.

I'll email you some hosting sites that you might want to try.

Reply #39

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:47:50 GMT

Jimmy

I don't see a problem here unless I take into consideration you inability to understand a few important facts.

I stand behind what I said but you must first relize that I was talking to many different people and some of them

are using pen and paper, some are using this as a filter, some are building there own version, some are using

my software. To someone using pen and paper I might give one method and to a software user I give another.

The pen and paper users don't ha... [ More ]

Reply #38

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 22:17:55 GMT

TC

Below is a link to a download zip file that shows 10 different setups that a person could use and still come

out ahead. The first pic shows the best one could hope for and the rest are just some of the ways that one

could set the digits. Only setup10.png uses any filters and the rest of the pics show unfiltered sets and the

total winners they would have produced. Blocking a digit from hitting is almost as effective as setting one

to hit. Many of the pics have incorrect digit s... [ More ]

Reply #37

jimmy4164 — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 22:07:50 GMT

(All those reading here for entertainment, with no interest or backbone to post your opinions, take note: I'm about done writing to entertain you with no recompense. Some of those posting, shills, clowns, and their hairdressers, may be rewarded in some way, but unless some of the silent readers give me a reason to continue, these Mathematics and System Threads will soon be left to those with a vested interest in your continuing ignorance!)

-----------------garyo1954--says