Does Mathematical Innumeracy foster superstitions and support the belief in them?

Reply #122

Delta Draw — Fri, 27 May 2011 23:54:51 GMT

Pumpi would like that one. I think it would even make him blush.

Stay out on patrol too long big boy? D-K

Ne =introduces a question or alternative

Coniuge =a person s partner in marriage; a sexual connotation. Pronounced CON-U-Gay

Paratus =always ready

undisclosed? don't ask, don't tell.

DD

Gort, Klatu Baratta ( I am gone, you know what to do) Nikto (keep your hands off the babe, freak).

Reply #121

Coin Toss — Fri, 27 May 2011 21:02:11 GMT

Ne Conjuge Paratus

Unofficial insignia of undisclosed US Army infantry unit in Viet Nam

Reply #120

Delta Draw — Fri, 27 May 2011 18:05:54 GMT

today is science Friday:

http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/201105272

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia

DD

Reply #119

Delta Draw — Fri, 27 May 2011 16:54:40 GMT

Innumeracy:

To combat [innumeracy] John Allen Paulos has concocted

the perfectvaccine: this book, which is in many ways better than an entire

high school math eductation! Our society would be unimaginably different if the

average person truly understood the ideas in this marvelous and important book.

It is probably hopelessly optimistic to dream this way, but I hope that

Innumeracy might help launch a revolution in math education that would do for

innumeracy what Sabin and

Reply #118

adamcustom — Fri, 27 May 2011 14:17:47 GMT

JosephusMinimus

I fear not gifts, but have learned to watch my back when Danaos bring those gifts.

Pls take it what I said cum grano salis. Many places I've been to are very much alike. Just the same as in our real life, whatever it may mean. People are friendly

or not, give us a hand or just try to use us as an ego-boosting device.

The good thing is we do not have to be in places we do not like. It's good to speak with people who want to listen to us, even if we are not 100% right.... [ More ]

Reply #117

JosephusMinimus — Fri, 27 May 2011 12:20:06 GMT

adamcustom: Fear might be a stronger reaction than is justified by a wild tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury and signifying nothing .

Most of us here qualify one way or another.

Reply #116

JosephusMinimus — Fri, 27 May 2011 11:06:34 GMT

Pumpi: I saw on your blog that you're winding things down in preparation to leave LP. I can't say I've ever really understood why you were here in the first place, but I've enjoyed reading your posts. You've always been detached and congenial in your posts, despite what's probably been more slurs, ugliness and innuendo directed at you than any member in the history of LP.

Whatever you might or mightn't have contributed in terms of math discussions, lottery systems discussions, or other forum... [ More ]

Reply #115

adamcustom — Fri, 27 May 2011 11:06:18 GMT

RL,

Thanks. Good to hear and know.

And for you Jimmy: timeo Danaos et dona ferentes .

Adam

Reply #114

JosephusMinimus — Fri, 27 May 2011 10:28:27 GMT

Good luck RL

Reply #113

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 27 May 2011 09:10:05 GMT

Adam

Humanum fuit errare, diabolicum est per animositatem in errore manere.

While it is human to make mistakes, boldly refusing to learn from them is diabolical.

Can't get this from google translate, thought you might want to know.

RL

Reply #112

jimmy4164 — Fri, 27 May 2011 04:07:01 GMT

Adamcustom,

When Joey informed you earlier of the importance of your lottery selection techniques and math knowledge...

Adamcustom: You don't appear to appreciate how important the opinions people hold about how lottery tickets should be bought are. Nor, for that matter, do you seem to realize that whether people know a lot about math or don't know a lot about math is the measure of whether they have value as human beings.

...he clearly wants you to feel OK about yourself even if your m... [ More ]

Reply #111

Delta Draw — Fri, 27 May 2011 02:47:00 GMT

Sounds like entitlement speak CT. try cornhuskers instead of SkinSoSoft on the monkey. Go ahead, talk amongst yourself.

Humanum fuit errare, diabolicum est per animositatem in errore manere.

or, stupid is as stupid does.

DD

Reply #110

rdgrnr — Fri, 27 May 2011 02:09:48 GMT

We're a tag team.

Reply #109

truecritic — Fri, 27 May 2011 00:17:32 GMT

Is that YOU or Jack talking

Reply #108

rdgrnr — Fri, 27 May 2011 00:08:49 GMT

errare humanum est

Reply #107

JosephusMinimus — Thu, 26 May 2011 21:27:06 GMT

Adamcustom: You don't appear to appreciate how important the opinions people hold about how lottery tickets should be bought are. Nor, for that matter, do you seem to realize that whether people know a lot about math or don't know a lot about math is the measure of whether they have value as human beings.

Reply #106

Delta Draw — Thu, 26 May 2011 20:23:30 GMT

Boy, leave it to you to really think about the question.

I was wondering when someone would pick up on that.

You are not the drunken hayseed and freak your avatar has you.

DD

PS

thatnk you for poring over every word of, mine to look for spelling and gramtical errors. it wuz wurth it too me .

Reply #105

JosephusMinimus — Thu, 26 May 2011 20:20:03 GMT

Pumpi: I agree. People inside the same county might as well be speaking different languages for all the meaningful communication they manage. On the other hand, the only communicating a lot of them want to do isn't worth the bother of pretending what's being expressed has any value. Paraphrasing is probably a lot of what's going on. Someone using a lot of lofty rhetoric that says on the surface it's about concepts, but underneath it always carries the message, I hate myself and I hate everyone e... [ More ]

Reply #104

Delta Draw — Thu, 26 May 2011 19:52:42 GMT

What I meant in the second statement was you seem to get off by continuesly insisting that people who play the lottery using some sort of system suffer from a fallacy which is rooted in not having the nessary math skills or understanding. Those who do have the math skills then must suffer some

sort of psychological disorder by trying to out perform the odds.

If a person does come out ahead then they are fooling themselves thinking that they somehow had a possitive effect when it was a noth... [ More ]

Reply #103

jimmy4164 — Thu, 26 May 2011 16:19:05 GMT

hennybogan,

I'm not from Missouri, but I have relatives there, and maybe that's why my response to your claim that ...some of the folks here on LP do quite well, is Show Me!

And the fact that ...they observe PATTERNS and not math or statistics is probably why they are unwilling or unable to prove their claims.

Sure wish Gauss was still alive. He would have the mother of all systems.

I seriously doubt that! Gauss was devoted to the scientific method and measurable phenomena. Predic... [ More ]

Reply #102

JosephusMinimus — Thu, 26 May 2011 15:39:45 GMT

CARBOB: I completely agree with you about RL and his contributions to the Math Forum.

Thinking back over the posts and threads here over the past few months I don't believe there's any member who has provided useful input, ideas, helpful comments and/or technical information to the threads on the Math Forum approaching what he's offered. And that, while under constant personal attacks, denigrations by innuendo and subtle implication, and concentrated attempts to disrupt the continuity of wha... [ More ]

Reply #101

CARBOB — Thu, 26 May 2011 12:50:26 GMT

RL,

I for one still appreciate your skills. The program you created for me works like a charm and really believe it , along with my other software will bring me a winner, I hope.

The following quote is from a former USAF teammate, whose son is currently on the ISS. In the quote, he is referring to a LT, who was in charge of our survey team, while tdy at Edwards AFB in 1964.

I miss him and his patience . Few people put up with me as much as Lt and you. You made me feel part of the team

Reply #100

JosephusMinimus — Thu, 26 May 2011 10:49:58 GMT

RL: Good to hear you're leaning back and taking a deep breath. Just about everything I've ever gotten done in this life came out of long serieses of failures [to the extent I've ever done anything in life]. So I can resonate with the concept.

Reply #99

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Thu, 26 May 2011 10:41:13 GMT

josephus

Don't worrie, back in the day I and my skills were much desired by many and I held the respect of those

in need of my serivces. I may be just an old fudy-duddy now but it feels good to get out from under the

pressure. I am now able to act a little foolish without anyone caring much. Recess time has come around

again for me I am making the most out of it. I have five young'uns out there all trying to make their mark

on the world and they turned out to be good investments.... [ More ]

Reply #98

JosephusMinimus — Thu, 26 May 2011 03:28:06 GMT

RL: Don't do it because of anything I've said. You do plenty well enough as you are.

Reply #97

jimmy4164 — Thu, 26 May 2011 03:03:43 GMT

Reply #96

jimmy4164 — Thu, 26 May 2011 02:02:15 GMT

So says Joey, who apparently believes he stands head and shoulders above John Allen Paulos. You never got over those Bs, did you

Reply #95

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Thu, 26 May 2011 01:16:06 GMT

josephus

But I digressed in what I intended to point out: Treating theory as truth, or an absolute, is superstition. As fundamentally superstitious as believing a broken mirror brings seven years of bad luck. If theory was fact theory would be called something besides theory.

Many thanks, I have have been moved to update my views on superstition. I never made the connection but

this caused me to remember that my main field of study is rooted in theories. I now confess that I am a very

Reply #94

JosephusMinimus — Wed, 25 May 2011 22:03:27 GMT

Hi Coin Toss: Good seeing you posting here.

This thread was never about math and never belonged on the Math Forum. The question is about pseudo-psychology, about inept, ill-defined philosophy, about adolescent insecurities, about an attempt at self-elevation resulting from lousy and justified abysmal self-esteem.

It was never about math.

The thread didn't belong on the Math Forum, but there's not a PseudoPsychology, Inept, Ill-defined Philosophy, Adolescent Insecurities, Attempts at Se... [ More ]

Reply #93

truecritic — Wed, 25 May 2011 19:40:44 GMT

When a thread drifts from the very narrow view of the main purpose, each additional topic brought up within it, is fair game (IMHO). Especially when the original poster set in motion some form of the other topics.

Reply #92

Coin Toss — Wed, 25 May 2011 19:30:58 GMT

It got hijacked way before that, and by other things.

Reply #91

jimmy4164 — Wed, 25 May 2011 18:48:09 GMT

Am I the only one noticing that this Thread has been sidetracked to a discussion of writing skill? As John Paulos points out in his book on the subject, Innumeracy has little to no correlation with writing grade levels.

Reply #90

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 25 May 2011 17:35:02 GMT

truecritic

I just ran you above post and it scored a 4.61 just in case you interested and my last post scored a wopping

3.21. I did not spend much time writing it.

RL

Reply #89

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 25 May 2011 17:26:35 GMT

truecritic

No, straight lp editor. I don't make any adjustments to the standard settings and what you see is just as

it is typed. I don't use spell check for a reason. While I do have special software the uses algrorithms to

score my writting I only use them when practicing. Spell check is like cheating and I would only be cheating

myself. Josephus, I believe would score at least 3 full points higher if he was trying as I have found that

most people in casual writting fall off b... [ More ]

Reply #88

truecritic — Wed, 25 May 2011 16:53:54 GMT

By the odd spacing of your sentences, it appears you use some editor other than the LP editor. The LP editor does have spell check (first line of tools- 2nd from left. ABC with a checkmark ). I would say that is all you need. Sure you might have a few homophone errors or but otherwise normally acceptable posts.

Nothing wrong with 8th grade level writing. Joey at 12th probably reaching the upper limits of the average poster here. Ran a Delta Dawn Draw example, came out 13th, maybe higher. Whi... [ More ]

Reply #87

hennybogan — Wed, 25 May 2011 15:34:01 GMT

Beautifully stated Jimmy. From a purely mathematical point of view, I believe we are all nuts for ever playing P3, P4, etc.

I love what Albert Einstein said when he was asked how to beat roulette. His reply, CHEAT!

However, some of the folks here on LP do quite well. But, they observe PATTERNS and not math or statistics.

Sure wish Gauss was still alive. He would have the mother of all systems.

Reply #86

JosephusMinimus — Wed, 25 May 2011 15:19:58 GMT

Luck of the draw, RL. The gene pool scramble gave you traits, aptitudes, abilities in one direction, gave me different ones, gave everyone else theirs. What comes easy for me comes with a lot more difficulty for others, and what comes easy for them might be a lot more difficult for me.

Whatever we were lucky enough to carry into this life doesn't amount to a virtue. Just luck, pure and simple. But we're all lucky in different ways.

Reply #85

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 25 May 2011 12:55:04 GMT

josephus

I just finished running analysis on the writing skill levels of several LP posters and hope you don't mind.

You rock dude, Your skill level confirmed my suspicions 12.95 to 13.6 which is about double that of the

average posters I tested.

RL

Reply #84

JosephusMinimus — Wed, 25 May 2011 12:04:56 GMT

Hi Jimmy:

I'm just an anonymous stranger on the internet who spent several decades working in close proximity to people a lot like yourself. Enough years to get an intimate knowledge of everything I needed to know about them. They weren't a majority among similarly educated and similarly employed people, but most of us working in those environments possessed enough of a piece of it to recognize it in ourselves without being glad of it being there. But a greater percentage than a person might... [ More ]

Reply #83

JosephusMinimus — Wed, 25 May 2011 11:32:13 GMT

Sorry to hear you're planning on leaving, RL. I've enjoyed your posts. You'll be missed.

Reply #82

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 25 May 2011 09:15:16 GMT

Jimmy

Many of my post take me an hour or more to write. I have with instruction learned to conceal what I consider

my biggest weakness which in my eyes places me just above illiteracy. I was found to be dyslexic upon entry

into the airforce where I received help. I went from c's and d's in HS math and english to making the Deans List

my first semester in college. Most of the writting skills found here will fall around the 8th to 9th grade level.

Some may just be being lazy and not... [ More ]

Reply #81

Delta Draw — Wed, 25 May 2011 05:18:39 GMT

Much has been deleted and edited.

DD

Reply #80

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 25 May 2011 04:35:48 GMT

CB

I agree but I would not consider him a mathematician. There are many people who have high math aptitudes

and I am not refurring to these people. The mathematicians that I have known had jobs where all they do is

math. Many of these people were like hired guns and went from project to project and the ones I knew worked

in aeronautics and areospace fields.

They were always stressed out and and to stay totally focused. Once my uncle had retired he became quite

humorous and spe... [ More ]

Reply #79

jimmy4164 — Wed, 25 May 2011 03:40:16 GMT

RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

Thank you for saving a copy for all to read, and no I did not remove it. In my defence I admitted to having...

Would you please post a link; I can't find it!

BTW, I was not belittling your writing but suggesting that all it needed was spell-checked and if read aloud gave no hint that the author could not sound out words or sentences. My critique is to accuse you of claiming a disability that you show little evidence of having! Your posting above that I inserted in my r... [ More ]

Reply #78

jimmy4164 — Wed, 25 May 2011 03:20:40 GMT

Times have changed and a lot has happened since then, but the general run of scientists [not the ones actually doing science - the ones who study the work of those who do science and say it back and forth to one another as though they'd done it themselves] hasn't changed.

This is just one example of your obvious disdain for those of us who work, or have worked, in the sciences. May I ask just what important contributions you are making, or have made, to the advancement of civilization? All w... [ More ]

Reply #77

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 25 May 2011 02:48:50 GMT

Jimmy

Thank you for saving a copy for all to read, and no I did not remove it. In my defence I admitted to having

dsylexia which it seems to me that those that would like others to consider how correct their understanding of all

things is, seem to have read over this statement. I could write my post using another tool, edit them correcting

errors in grammar before I copy and paste but I don't. When you see one of my post it has not undergone this

type of editing, I don't use spell... [ More ]

Reply #76

Stack47 — Tue, 24 May 2011 23:50:37 GMT

Jimmy: Up until a few minutes ago I was working on a reply to one of RL's posts wherein I made a case that he has recently acquired a ghost writer.

Get a grip; this is a message board forum.

Jimmy: When I finally hit the submit button, I got an error message and soon discovered that RL's post had disappeared! Fortunately, I saved a copy of his post, which I had spell checked

Maybe RL deleted it, a Moderator did, you imagine it existed, or you're pulling a scam. It really doesn't matte... [ More ]

Reply #75

RJOh — Tue, 24 May 2011 22:45:36 GMT

Where are you getting your ideas about proponents of system play? How does what others think threaten their income

Reply #74

JosephusMinimus — Tue, 24 May 2011 22:28:19 GMT

True enough, Pumpi. Proving doesn't actually happen much in science, contrary to popular belief. It's almost always as you've said, a wild card in there somewhere, some unanticipated factor, some variable not known to be variable.

But that's not what I was referring to. The ones actually testing theories are a microscopic piece of the community calling itself 'science' and themselves 'scientists'. High school teachers, as an example, call themselves scientists as a rule. But they are engaged... [ More ]

Reply #73

pumpi76 — Tue, 24 May 2011 22:26:23 GMT

something else that is in the scientific method is that it tells you that experiments and studies are not about coming on the headlines saying you cure something and now you want everybody to praise you is about: KNOWLEDGE...is in the scientific method...

you know one reason why is about knowledge, because something so stupid that you might find in experiment 120th of the same experiment someone else did years ago well that tiny thing that was stupid might serve as something important or in a... [ More ]

Reply #72

pumpi76 — Tue, 24 May 2011 22:14:37 GMT

josephus the part where you said:

Times have changed and a lot has happened since then, but the general run of scientists [not the ones actually doing science - the ones who study the work of those who do science and say it back and forth to one another as though they'd done it themselves] hasn't changed.

remember that the scientific Method states that an experiment and studies must be conducted many times not just 1 time [it doesnt say how many] as proof and because sometimes times change... [ More ]

Reply #71

jimmy4164 — Tue, 24 May 2011 21:56:59 GMT

A thread about superstitions on the math forum seem to have made an emergency landing at the wrong airfield.

And undoubtedly, the more people you can convince that this is true, the more money you will make...

Reply #70

JosephusMinimus — Tue, 24 May 2011 21:49:45 GMT

This thread probably actually belongs in the Mystical Forum. Probably a lot more people posting there have dual familiarity with math and the range of subjects included in the word, 'superstition' than do the posters on the math forum.

It's been stated repeatedly by the person who began the thread that the people who post on the math forum don't know anything about math. It hasn't been said, but probably is true also that the people who post here don't know as much about superstition as they... [ More ]

Reply #69

jimmy4164 — Tue, 24 May 2011 21:43:49 GMT

It's when the system play proponents have their income stream threatened that the level of rancor, venom, poison, condescension, smugness, rudeness, and general acrimony REALLY gets into gear, doesn't it

Reply #68

JosephusMinimus — Tue, 24 May 2011 21:37:34 GMT

It's been an upside down jumble a long while, Pumpi. Maybe longer than they've had different beliefs.

But as things pertain to math, lotteries, buying lottery tickets, working on lottery systems by various methods and based on countless premises, it is definitely, definitely, definitely

surprising to see the level of rancor, venom, poison, condescension, smugness, rudeness, and general acrimony revealing itself within the vessels containing differing viewpoints.

The issue of system play... [ More ]

Reply #67

JosephusMinimus — Tue, 24 May 2011 21:24:12 GMT

Hi Pumpi: Thanks for the reply. I suspect a century from now if things remain intact science will be laughing at science and medicine of today much the way the science community jokes about those of earlier centuries. Practices such as bleeding patients weren't that long ago in passing from the vogue. And a lot of top scientists, one of them considered the leading scientist of his time, believed heavier than air manned flight was impossible. One of them made a considerable, smug public and highl... [ More ]

Reply #66

jimmy4164 — Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:42 GMT

One of Delta Draw's points you are helping to make here is that serious attempts to focus on math or science here are thwarted through redirection. You're correct in that Innumeracy is the subject here, not Grammar.

Unfortunately, the problems here go deeper than this. Up until a few minutes ago I was working on a reply to one of RL's posts wherein I made a case that he has recently acquired a ghost writer. When I finally hit the submit button, I got an error message and soon discovered that... [ More ]

Reply #65

pumpi76 — Tue, 24 May 2011 20:58:15 GMT

but i am not going to lie to you, this world is so UPSIDED DOWN IS SUCH A JUMBLE such a mess because of the different beliefs people have....is like dividing every county in the world into a different language...

Reply #64

Stack47 — Tue, 24 May 2011 20:52:30 GMT

jimmy: Don't you think it's more likely that Delta Draw, observing that most of his detractors have a lot of trouble differentiating between:

It's none of my business if he calls himself Catwoman so I won't ask why you think homophones are important to this discussion.

You still can't give me a mathematical reason why 10 to 1 odds are generous when a system needs to show a 20,000.02% profit. This is the Mathematics Forum not grammar forum.

Reply #63

pumpi76 — Tue, 24 May 2011 20:35:25 GMT

i think everyone in the world is superstititious but to what degree should be the question...

ive heard before on tv that education or a high level of education takes away or should take away your superstitious beliefs, thats to some degree...you see some superstitions are tied to spirits or the after life, others to folklore and history traditions...

what i dont understand also about superstitions is why they are Globally localized a particular case occurs only in some countries or region... [ More ]

Reply #62

rdgrnr — Tue, 24 May 2011 20:25:01 GMT

Actually, I think not.

He/she has his/her own problems with the like.

In the very same paragraph in which he/she corrects RL's spelling of a word, he/she has two words misspelled.

One appears to be a typo but the other I've seen him/her misspell on previous occasions.

He/she is wont to put an a in clever, thereby making it a cleaver which we all know is a meat cutting tool.

Personally, I don't find this disconcerting at all unless it's in the context of presuming to correct s... [ More ]

Reply #61

jimmy4164 — Tue, 24 May 2011 19:21:40 GMT

Don't you think it's more likely that Delta Draw, observing that most of his detractors have a lot of trouble differentiating between:

you're vs your

to vs too

then vs than

there vs their vs they're

intellegence vs intelligence

ect. vs etc.

and on, and on, and on...

...he just assumed the prudent course was to ensure there would be no chance that one of them would confuse innumeracy with innumerable, innumeration(sic), enumeration, or who knows what... [ More ]

Reply #60

JosephusMinimus — Tue, 24 May 2011 18:24:01 GMT

Pumpi: You've mentioned on other threads that you've based some of your posts on concepts taken from math textbooks, so I assume you've got a working knowledge of math at one level or another. And you've said you're also superstitious, though you didn't elaborate on what precise brands of superstition you prefer.

But the fact you are the only one posting on this thread to have confessed to being superstitious, and there's at least a hint you have some understanding or command of the use of ma... [ More ]

Reply #59

Stack47 — Tue, 24 May 2011 18:20:22 GMT

Mathematical Innumeracy... hmmm... Is there some other kind?

I'll bet you a cold ice tea someone wishes they had said does innumeracy foster superstition...yadda yadda

Reply #58

rdgrnr — Tue, 24 May 2011 17:22:36 GMT

Mathematical Innumeracy... hmmm... Is there some other kind?

Oh well, whatever...

I'm just glad this dry drought is over.

I'm glad we're getting some wet rain.

Reply #57

adamcustom — Tue, 24 May 2011 16:51:58 GMT

Well guys, no wonder that males are supposed to die out like dinosaurs. Each and every forum frequented mostly by men sooner or later turn into a macho

contest. It helps nobody, even if such an intention was at the very start. Just a fight like so many times in history.

Reply #56

Stack47 — Tue, 24 May 2011 16:00:59 GMT

Now that I have 1,000 views in three days I got the 5 G's.

And 0.97% of viewers voted on your poll; that's a very impressive figure and should be worth at least 10 G's

Reply #55

Delta Draw — Tue, 24 May 2011 15:55:59 GMT

Oh my. A thread title and topic convergence.

Good for one last

DD

Reply #54

Stack47 — Tue, 24 May 2011 15:48:53 GMT

jimmy: One would think that those who believe systems can be designed to beat the lottery odds would welcome a systematic way to test their efficacy

We never saw a test of an actual lottery system. However you did show how 50,000 random pick-3 QP players would do if they all bet $1 in 20,000 drawings. Don't now why you believes 54 years is a valid test or how that even applies to realistic pick-3 play when almost all of the systems in the Systems Forum are for the next drawing, the next week... [ More ]

Reply #53

jimmy4164 — Tue, 24 May 2011 15:31:03 GMT

Great post DD. Gotta' run now - will comment later...

Kalehuru rocks

Reply #52

Delta Draw — Tue, 24 May 2011 15:00:12 GMT

Yea Jimmy, there are some malicious people here on site that feel asking

questions and changing the thread topic is brilliance. Every one of them take

shots at any systematic approach but generally stay clear of doing so in the systems

forum because it would be too obvious and warrant getting banned.

So to begin with, they change the focus and start making demands. They

continue to ask foolish questions and never reply to an answer but continue to

shift the focus. It is a threa... [ More ]

Reply #51

jimmy4164 — Tue, 24 May 2011 12:51:51 GMT

You've started some lottery/math threads and I've started a few of my pseudo-science threads, along with a few other threads begun recently involving forum-topic-appropriate discussion possibilities, but mostly they haven't taken off like rockets.

That's true. Witness the ridiculous responses to my recent attempts to introduce backtesting of lottery systems - not conducive to a successful launch. One would think that those who believe systems can be designed to beat the lottery odds would we... [ More ]

Reply #50

JosephusMinimus — Tue, 24 May 2011 12:28:01 GMT

RL: No way of walking through it without getting it on your boots. Afterward if there was any stink in what he was walking through the aroma follows a person around until he takes the trouble of scraping it off.

It would be nice to see some new threads on the Math Forum involving lottery related math minus a lot of personality juice, but until someone chooses to begin threads of that sort there won't be much to draw a person to the Math Forum, instead of one of the others.

You've started s... [ More ]

Reply #49

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 24 May 2011 11:50:25 GMT

Came up with a good idea that pertains to the lottery, math and intelligence so as to stay with the

trashing. Design and build a wireless lottery betslip printer. This could be built with very few tools

a solderless breadboard and a few parts taken from an old junk printer. Add $50.00 in electronics,

wire and a few other odds and ends and your ready to begin. Instead of steppers maybe use regular

dc motors which would require one to design encoders to track the travel. Hmmm, sounds

Reply #48

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 24 May 2011 07:08:53 GMT

Seems to me some sort of challenge could be made that would settle the mud slinging once and for all.

This would need to be a test of intelligence so much thought would be needed. A math problem would

be too easy to get outside help or cheat so we must think of somthing a little more then that. I think

that a design contest which required many disciplines would make a nice contest. Something that included

a few skills like programming, electronics, mechanics, robitics, wireless, ect.... [ More ]

Reply #47

JosephusMinimus — Mon, 23 May 2011 21:53:15 GMT

A sense of humor is a valuable trait.

Reply #46

CARBOB — Mon, 23 May 2011 16:46:28 GMT

Whenever you asked him a question, he tried very hard to explain in layman terms. Never seen anyone attack him or disagree with him. Before you walked away from him, you understood the explanation. A very good sense of humor.

Reply #45

jimmy4164 — Mon, 23 May 2011 15:30:51 GMT

CARBOB,

This gentleman appears to have been a good person who died too young.

How did he respond when someone attacked or ridiculed him when he attempted to explain a misconception they may have had?

Perhaps I should first ask if this ever happened to him.

--Jimmy4164

Reply #44

jimmy4164 — Mon, 23 May 2011 14:25:08 GMT

I thought you were seriously examining your beliefs but it appears you can't give up trying to convince others that the general intelligence of a poster lends credence to their dissemination of mathematical fallacies.

For many years I had daily contact with researchers of high intelligence, many of whom surely had IQs in excess of that which you believe you possess. Interestingly, in all those years, I can truthfully say that not one of them ever felt a need to announce to the rest of us what... [ More ]

Reply #43

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 23 May 2011 12:56:58 GMT

Maybe some day I will get to meet some of these people in person.

RL

Reply #42

JosephusMinimus — Mon, 23 May 2011 11:51:30 GMT

RL: I'm stepping outside what's my own business and what's yours in saying this, but you don't need to defend yourself to this creature. Nor to the other one. Your credentials are already established in the history of your posts.

If you're here because the lotteries are a game and because sharing your interests with others who enjoy the game gives you pleasure the joy of it isn't likely to be improved by letting yourself be baited by trolls.

Reply #41

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 23 May 2011 11:28:49 GMT

DD

I am totally convinced that you not only suffer from innumeracy but illiteracy also. Be very interested

to know your imaginary betting friends name. Does this person visit your srink with you and if so do

you have to pay double? Use that four grand wisely maybe you can buy a motel or a couple houses

your next roll of the dice. Move out of my parents basement, now thats original but your about 35

years to late. Mr 143, I like that but seems to me you missed the point by a mile.

Reply #40

JosephusMinimus — Mon, 23 May 2011 11:22:43 GMT

Hi Carbob: Must have been nice knowing the guy. Some talk down, others don't, and the downtalking doesn't take anything away from what they have to say, provided they have something to say. It's still worth the effort of listening, trying to comprehend. It's worth being belittled, which doesn't amount to anything, for an opportunity to learn something, which might.

On the other hand, there's a substantial piece of the population prone to downtalk and belittle without having anything at all to... [ More ]

Reply #39

CARBOB — Mon, 23 May 2011 10:01:56 GMT

The man in this link was the most intelligent person, I have ever known or work with. Never once did I hear him talk down to someone or belittle someone, due to lack of education or understanding the point, he was addressing.

http://www.gfy.ku.dk/~iag/newslett/news7606.htm

Reply #38

Delta Draw — Mon, 23 May 2011 08:33:34 GMT

Don t feel to bad ?????

My-my a triple bump! You really need to get out of your parent s basement.

That s okay RL, innumeracy precludes your understanding. Don t lose any more sleep

over it. You should have recognized that being you are a confessed a dyslexic

with a high IQ. What was your SAT ranking again? Was that a national percentile

or the local one?

I know comprehension is difficult there and If I were you I would be crowing my

whole life about my IQ and SAT score, but... [ More ]

Reply #37

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 23 May 2011 07:57:39 GMT

DD

Don't feel to bad, Obama once said he had visited 57 states with only one to go but he was not allowed

to go to AK. or HI. Did not take me much thought to know what he meant to say while others still haven't

figured it out.

RL

Reply #36

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 23 May 2011 06:39:08 GMT

DD

I think your betting and winning streak here is all just a big illusion.

RL

Reply #35

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 23 May 2011 06:31:15 GMT

DD

Maybe a course in some remedial math, First you say that you made a grand off of CT's first post and

then after his second post you made another $2,000,00. Now I am really confused, maybe you are

somehow predicting the future in anticipation, Or maybe you just can't count, which is it.

RL

Reply #34

Delta Draw — Mon, 23 May 2011 06:27:53 GMT

RL,

Ha HA! is right.

Can you get a refund on your education? There is a name for people with large heads. Your SAT score only documents what you knew and how well you tested on an exam you could cram for. Now you want to brow beat me with your old IQ and a SAT score when you cannot answer a yes/no question? Ha HA! Moonwatcher, go throw your bone and howl at the moon, ad astra.

DD

Reply #33

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 23 May 2011 06:07:34 GMT

DD

Ha, Ha. Should have said I scored above 99.96% of everyone who took the same test, making fun of a disability

is right down your alley. Is this all you got, sadly I think it is. Maybe someday you will post something that shows

a little intellect instead of hiding behind insults.

RL

Reply #32

Delta Draw — Mon, 23 May 2011 05:48:49 GMT

Oh thank you Jimmy!

CT s post just brought in another $2,000.00

There are a few more side bets to win so I will not give away the details.

The most I can win is ten grand and it looks good. The big bet is five grand.

DD

Reply #31

Coin Toss — Mon, 23 May 2011 05:36:25 GMT

Interesting somethig like the NBA draft would be brough up in a thread trying to refute superstition.

Sports, gambling, and entertainment are full of superstition.

Reply #30

Delta Draw — Mon, 23 May 2011 05:19:12 GMT

Good one Jimmy

do you think someone with an IQ of 143 could figure out what the punchline is?

How about this?

http://thenumerati.net/?postID=498 pie-chart-innumeracy

or http://www.flickr.com/photos/functoruser/3717822351/

DD

Reply #29

jimmy4164 — Mon, 23 May 2011 04:33:42 GMT

Innumeracy and the NBA draft lottery

Reply #28

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 23 May 2011 02:41:07 GMT

DD

Wow, I have over 18 years in my education portfolio. I must have missed the phd in front of your DD.

I scored in the top 99.96% on my sat's and have a IQ of 143, but even with all that brain power and

education behind me I still feel stupid most of the time and can't begin to tell you what a pleasure it is

to know someone like yourself. Many of the best and brighest can't spell worth spit so I don't hold that

against anyone. I also suffer from severe dyslexia and this has lead... [ More ]

Reply #27

jimmy4164 — Mon, 23 May 2011 02:40:08 GMT

Delta Draw,

Here at LP, I'm seeing what I think is a bigger problem than innumeracy per se. As you pointed out earlier, an innumerate is not necessarily an illiterate. There are plenty of resources and links to resources for anyone wishing to improve their understanding of mathematics right here at LP. Unfortunately, there are forces at work which discourage and/or confuse those who would make a serious attempt to learn. The most successful efforts are insidious, presented by people more lite... [ More ]

Reply #26

JosephusMinimus — Mon, 23 May 2011 02:13:25 GMT

Pumpi: I couldn't agree more on your comment about the mysteries of the brain. Sometimes it almost seems human life is moving on an assembly line. Always a group of humans of approximately the same size playing Ring Around the Rosey and Red Rover, a little further along the line always a group of similar size shooting goals in the driveway and wanting whatever the other kids think is cool. Watching scary movies and describing them to one another.

And so on. Somewhere in young adulthood they s... [ More ]

Reply #25

Delta Draw — Mon, 23 May 2011 01:04:27 GMT

I would futhure venture to say that not many Mathematicians hang here looking to improve ther academic skills, and because most

of them have no sense of hummor they would not visit even for a good laugh.

Here, let me help and see if they have no funny bone; Did you hear the one about the constipated mathematician? He worked it out with a pencil!

Wow

RL you got the Dunning-Krugar down. Notice it is spelled with an a . I thought you were going to hammer me on an incorrect spelli... [ More ]

Reply #24

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 23 May 2011 00:12:49 GMT

DD

Wow, you must of really read this book many times. Luck is a superstition and anyone who thinks it is

responsible for anything is missguided. What many call luck I call chance. The Dunning-Kruger effect is

as common as rain in the Amazon jungle. I must admit that I am confounded by your newley found

wisdom that clearly shows you suffer from D-K. I doubt you took the time to consider the repercussions

your mention of Dunnig-Kruger would generate.

Many who post the work of ot... [ More ]

Reply #23

Delta Draw — Sun, 22 May 2011 22:58:16 GMT

Hey

Cuz, it s all good.

I bet someone a grand that you were reading my posts even though you repeatedly said

you have me blocked. They wanted to up the anti and bet me another grand that

there is no way you would respond to a thread of mine.

Love ya pinhead,

DD Winner-Winner; Chicken Dinner