what is your thoughts on randomness is there structure even in chaos?

Reply #32

Ronnie316 — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:41:28 GMT

This is how it works and not one person in this forum can prove otherwise.

I can prove otherwise. Its called parimutuel wagering. The Lotteries can keep as much of the money as they want, without expensive programs or cheating.

Randomness?

Yes

balls are ramdomly drawn from the machine, but the balls themselves are numbered in an orderly consecutive manner which makes part of the event not ramdom.

Reply #31

SergeM — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:11:43 GMT

My thoughts are dark as the night.

William Lawson, no rules.

Reply #30

Scientistman — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:31:27 GMT

A legal way for them to cheat. Its true. State lotteries are not honest. If they were they would run them as I explained above. I had a friend who worked at the lottery and said saw them run the machine 20 times till they got the number they wanted. Then would post those numbers as the winning numbers. You can not trust any business who does not want you to see what their doing and just wants you to openly trust them. The governor is the one who puts the 5 commisioners in place in each state lot... [ More ]

Reply #29

Lucky Loser — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 03:27:06 GMT

If anyone wants to know just how good they really are, I encourage you to check your state's pre-test (draw) results daily. Check them mainly against the losing numbers for that particular day and draw(s). You may be very, very surprised. You're a lot better player than you think you are...trust me.

L.L.

Reply #28

Lucky Loser — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 03:03:39 GMT

You definitely have the right idea with this theory. In the real world , they claim the pre-draws are to ensure fairness, and, that the machines are operating properly. I called BS on them both when I first learned about them. First of all, they spend all that money on contracts to get these high dollar, and, highly important government machines which are supposed to be QUALITY ASSURED/QUALITY CONTROLLED/INSPECTED prior to the shipping. So, they shouldn't need to be warmed up with all those snip... [ More ]

Reply #27

Scientistman — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:13:51 GMT

I do not feel true randomness exist in games of chance run by the state. If you want true randomness then the state lotteries would not use computerized drawings or balls.

True randomness would be more like this:

Instead of using balls they would set up a glass booth downtown so everyone could witness the event of a person inside this booth grabbing 6 one dollar bills out of the air inside the booth containing 49 dollar bills blowing around inside the booth with air. Each bill would be ass... [ More ]

Reply #26

Lucky Loser — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 02:25:27 GMT

Okay, just a few observations on positional tracking and how it deals with randomness, filtering, numerical cycling (single pairs), and numerical succession (ascending descending).

1) Florida: After two cycles of pre-draws and official draws, the combination of (1) and (0) have been drawn together. These numbers can be completely removed AS A PAIR from the next draw as a means of filtering as they're very unlikely to be drawn together again. As single independent digits, they still have a fai... [ More ]

Reply #25

Lucky Loser — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:48:17 GMT

Well, let's take a look at what the pre-draws are up to...again. Place your attention on the state of Indiana and notice how (4) has been drawn three times in a row in position (A), and the same number (4-3-3) has been drawn consecutively after several pre-draws. Finally, look at the doubles drawn in the same positions. I can almost guarantee that none of these digits were drawn in the first pre-draw after the last official draw, or, the last pre-draw before the current official draw. Pre-draws... [ More ]

Reply #24

BlueDuck — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:51 GMT

Here's the link:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/244491

Reply #23

lottogenie — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:54:46 GMT

congratulations lotteryboner on your wins.

Reply #22

LottoBoner — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:47:08 GMT

i just got 3/5 two times in a 6 game wheel (my own created wheel) in take five on an offical draw...

was it pure luck! nonsense...it was smart luck tm

i just used the fibs...

0d - 26 1d - 23 2d - 11

the other fibs in the draw were 11 16 so the fibonacci sequence thus becomes...0 - 1 - 2 - 11 - 16 (you kinda have to use your imagination) something that many people on LP are lacking.

i do like your theory on predraws...

gail howard said in her book... i dont track pre

Reply #21

lottogenie — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 02:35:26 GMT

very good information ima try this.

Reply #20

Lucky Loser — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 02:07:08 GMT

There is no chaos in this game, but, there is luck involved, okay. The only possible chaos is the pre-draws...that's it. Refer back to my post where I describe the formats which are drawn in this game. If you're patient, you'll see where the same format will disappear after (2) official draws. Now, it can also disappear after only (1) official draw but, it's taking a big chance due to the pre-draws. In my book, the old cliche of third time's a charm seems to prevail with these games. My only dis... [ More ]

Reply #19

cuteban25 — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:48:27 GMT

I understand you about the pre draw and first draw but it's possible a player win every 2 week the cash3 game?It' s luck or chaos order

Reply #18

JonnyBgood07 — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:48:12 GMT

of course there is structure in chaos.....but it seems brief in P3

everything leaves an imprint.For every action there is a reaction.You start stacking numbers(draws ) on top of each other,short term patterns will evolve.

Reply #17

Lucky Loser — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:28:32 GMT

Now that I have more time, I'll follow up on my last post. Okay, since we're discussing randomness and pre-draws, let's discuss the strategies which provide some leverage and balance the outcomes more favorably towards the player. I've mentioned playing in cycles in one of my prior posts, and, this is probably the best way to get an easier win in my professional opinion...especially if playing at the corner store. Why? Well, because if a player will just be patient enough to observe where (2) po... [ More ]

Reply #16

Lucky Loser — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:13:17 GMT

Listen, just (1) pre-draw changes EVERYTHING in regards to the outcome of the official draw to be posted. Now, when we include SEVERAL pre-draws, this means that what ever system of removing combinations, pairs, or anything else has been completely thrown out altogether. Any of you familiar with the old saying about the precentage of lightening striking in the same place twice? Well, it applies to lotto as well...as long as there's no pre-draws involved. Pre-draws simply make it possible for the... [ More ]

Reply #15

THRIFTY — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:57:18 GMT

THE CHAOS THEORY APPLIES TO EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE.

TIME 0

GOD REPRESENTS 1

Reply #14

lottogenie — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:20:53 GMT

my thoughts on randomness,,,say you were throwing dice,,if you knew everything about

the dice,,pull of gravity,,the weight how to throw them and so on and could manipulate

them every time,,,,random is no longer random...because you know the rules of that random event.

so in one sense of the word,,,there is no random event just properties were not aware of..

Reply #13

Pumppkin — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:45:38 GMT

Sorry about the rating , I accidentaly clicked it while the page is loading, snip I wish I could back it,

back to the topic umm there is one person here in LP that is expert in terms of random structure , forgot his name, but he studied random almost his life (starting his 20's I think).... and he has a lot of facts, which you may judge like including how the lottery officials won't let you get a target lock in past draws which makes look like that lottery is random every draw and etc...... [ More ]

Reply #12

Pumppkin — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:47:29 GMT

one more thing, had number 2 been a fact then were screwed because using the past draws as mirror for future draws would be a big trouble since we are dealing with many ball numbers,

example: draw 1 comes from briefcase A

draw 2 comes from briefcase C

draw 3 comes from briefcase A

and so forth.....

And another point to be taken is that the lottery officials change the briefcase name: for example- this draw the briefcase would be A B C, tomorrow it would F U C, t... [ More ]

Reply #11

Pumppkin — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:24:45 GMT

Hi I'm interested in your pre-draw fact here and its consequences on lottery future draws

but our state emphasizes that there should be a pre-draw and here are the procedures:

Note: Mega gem are the lottery machine

The panel inspects each of the Mega Gems to be used in the draws for a draw day, including the interior of the blowing chamber and the blowing mechanisms. This is to make sure there is nothing hidden in the Mega Gems that will invalidate the entire draw, such as hidd... [ More ]

Reply #10

Lucky Loser — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:00:19 GMT

The biggest losers in this particular state were the players who removed combinations that ended with the number (3), or, had no (3) in their numbers after the third draw. Guess what? Well, you can see what happened yourself. Been there, done that, learned the lesson. This will happen many, many, many, many more times in all states...due to the pre-draws. Pre-draws are the state lotteries' friend, buddy. They rake in lots of money by finding what a player has removed.

L.L.

Reply #9

Lucky Loser — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 03:49:13 GMT

With the utmost respect to you and your thoughts, I seriously and highly beg to differ with your last sentence. I base this statement on all the points I've made previously regarding pre-draws, and, will this time provide a very simple example of my proofs. Let us take a looksie at the state of Delaware and its' last (4) draws IN A ROW. Position (C) has seen the number (3) drawn (4) consecutive times. I'm ready and willing to bet you some real good money that on the draw which took place RIGHT A... [ More ]

Reply #8

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:55:46 GMT

There may be rules and there may not be rules. At this point in time, no one knows for sure. We are still looking, researching, trying new algorithms, and so on.

What we are doing is finding those things that do not work. By eliminating the dead ends we are gaining on the Yellow Brick Road.

We will find that road one of these days and when we do, all the mathematicians will convene, scratch their heads, then pronounce that they knew all along the rules of random and will begin applying

Reply #7

VAWest — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:53:13 GMT

Funny how this question just came to my mind when I noticed my Unix system shows up here in the Active Users list as Windows 7.

Reply #6

CajunWin4 — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:54:10 GMT

Thank You , L.L

I could not have said it better ...

Everything should be made simple as possible , but not simpler ....

To many systems are over complicated tracking to many variables for game play .

CW4

Reply #5

Lucky Loser — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:35:49 GMT

FINALLY! SOMEONE THAT SEES THIS GAME THE SAME WAY I DO!!!! Thank you so much, CW4!!! This is where it's at, players. If it weren't for so many pre-draws, 90% of the systems, methods, approaches, or, whatever you choose to call them, would absolutely work flawlessly. See, we as players, base this game on what's likely to NOT HAPPEN in terms of the next draw...right? Sure, I'm right and I know it. This is why the lotteries conduct all the lame pre-draws...so they can eliminate the possibilities of... [ More ]

Reply #4

LottoBoner — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:09:24 GMT

patterns can be more than just claimed...they can be measured...with vtracs...

to have precise results variable tracking needs to be more than just last digits...

for example i track the occurrence of two last digit twos in one game...

currently in take five two last digit 5, two last digit, 1 and two last digit 2 offer the best chance at jackpot.

obvious patterns in Pick 5 games are

1)long shots

2)long bottoms

3)trend reversal or trend reversal fake (gail calls the fake som... [ More ]

Reply #3

CajunWin4 — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:04:14 GMT

The only true act of randomness is the first draw in the game .

Reply #2

RJOh — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:54:21 GMT

There are those who claim there are pattern in chaos but claiming it and proving it are two different things. When considering lotteries, there are a fixed number of possible outcomes so there must be a fixed amount of chaos too.

Reply #1

cuteban25 — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:23:40 GMT

Yes.100 percent.

what is your thoughts on randomness is there structure even in chaos?

lottogenie — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:10:07 GMT

what are your thoughts on random events is there structure even in chaos?

are there rules that even random events have to follow