Lotto System Development Simplified

Reply #52

LottoBoner — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:55:24 GMT

why dont you try the microsoft bing translator?

maybe it is better

Reply #51

RJOh — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:00:06 GMT

Almost everyone at Lottery Post is on their own page, that's what makes LP so interesting.

Reply #50

jimmy4164 — Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:57:30 GMT

Sorry dr san,

We are NOT on the same page.

Voc n o pode tirar sangue de um nabo!

--Jimmy4164

Reply #49

dr san — Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:46:12 GMT

Hello, jimmy, my intention is to predict, forecast the smaller pairs and couples over a lottery, let's take a lottery 5/39, as example

Starting from 01 to 14 = we have 91 smaller pairs and 26 to 39 have 91 major pairs

Getting a number to close betting, goal is to hit 4 of 5 numbers,

In a lottery can only go up to 60% mathematically 70% the rest on Let's get it right

Goal is to hit the end of the 39/5, good without a filter we have 91 pairs

You can create filters for the best pair... [ More ]

Reply #48

jimmy4164 — Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:19:06 GMT

Thanks RJOh,

I'm sure your verbal descriptive summary of my calculations will help many to understand this better.

--Jimmy4164

Reply #47

jimmy4164 — Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:10:16 GMT

dr san,

...this is our sin, trying to predict the 6 numbers

Yes, something may be lost in the translation. Tell me if I understand what you are suggesting above.

In several of my very early posts I stated that it was possible to choose selection methods which could spread out your winnings with smaller wins over longer periods of time. For example, if it's your pleasure to buy 10 $1 Pick-3 Straight tickets per day, you have choices for selection:

1) You could buy 10 identical ticke... [ More ]

Reply #46

dr san — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:24:04 GMT

Hello, well, if we're being fooled by sweepstakes, Oh Let's walk in circle, jimmy, beware of google translation, it google, reverses synonyms,

When I speak the rest is random, I'm referring to the central pair of 40/6

Yes because after the frequency statistics, the best pairs of each end (the smaller and larger pair) etc. are chosen, can give clues of the missing pair i.e. the random pair,

The central pair, example after choosing pairs of extremities see couples who haven't came out wit... [ More ]

Reply #45

jimmy4164 — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:05:10 GMT

The rest is random,...

Unless the draws are being made by a computer programmed by larcenous programmers, it's ALL random.

If larceny is involved, do you really think the programmers would do it in a way that would allow anyone other than themselves to know what results to expect

Reply #44

dr san — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:44:29 GMT

Hello, jimmy, I agree with much that the donald writes, but also we have to see we are trying to find a 100% of a lottery scheme, where in Lottery can only come with holding of 3 to 4 numbers (Lotto 6/40 a) or similar

The rest is random, this is crucial, we provide two pairs of ends

What are 4 numbers, or also dismembered the result of 6 numbers in 15 positions of 4 numbers each, that is a good way to predict 4 numbers and not the 6 numbers,

What is missing after is completed, this is o... [ More ]

Reply #43

dr san — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:30:15 GMT

Hello jimmy, perfect, good article from donald, jimmy still the lottery 6/40, but can be another

Lottery, see 01 the smallest pair 12 and 28 to 40 top pair getting together to see the pair, which can be random, or two pairs of extremaidades (the pair higher with lower pair) can these two pairs give evidence of the central couple (the couple missing to complete the bet) making the lowest pair of 01 to 12 are 66 pairs but if you increase the limit increase the logicothe 66 smaller pairs you can... [ More ]

Reply #42

jimmy4164 — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:34:59 GMT

dr san,

If you are good with analogies, you will find the answer to your question in this article:

Casino City Times

If you have a problem associating your question with what's discussed in the Casino City Times article, this might help:

http://subs.emis.de/journals/ZDM/zdm056r1.pdf

--Jimmy4164

P.S. If anyone feels a desire to jump in here and complain about my posting of links to other people's work, please first Google the idea of Reinventing The Wheel.

Reply #41

dr san — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:00:26 GMT

application and triangulation of filters, which were more faithful to each other were the diagonal I call 1-48, 6-49 and diagonal endings that then I will explain who is who. However it is important to say that the filter of the terminations, works as a filter applied within the diagonal 1-48 since each diagonal of 1-48 has only two endings.

Now let's see: in this image we have 13 diagonals that compose the diagonals of 1-48, I baptized it from 1-48 because starts at 1 and ends at 48.

If n... [ More ]

Reply #40

dr san — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:57:23 GMT

hello, jimmy, my question is this for discussion, if I divide a lottery 40/6

in groups of 5 numbers, the question is why, the Group of 25 to 30 has a frequency of at least a number of 91% and a group of 35 to 40, has a 36% of it puts, since all numbers have the same chance to leave, but the Center's group comes out more at least one group

Reply #39

RJOh — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:46:29 GMT

The probability of selecting a winning pair using subsets is: conditional on all the winning numbers being in the subset.

--RJOh

Reply #38

Ronnie316 — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:57:08 GMT

Oh, what the hell. I think I will just move on

Reply #37

Ronnie316 — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:56:21 GMT

The trend is your friend until the end.............

Reply #36

jimmy4164 — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 06:14:49 GMT

I was hoping someone else would do this, but...

See the above quoted post for reference. This analysis ignores the second tier prize.

By inspection, you can see that the probability of selecting the winning pair from the 10 combinations of 5 balls taken 2 at a time is 1/10, or 10%. Note that if you select one of the 5 subsets of 4 above, you will have only 6 pairs to choose from, instead of 10. So,IF you choose one of the 3 winning subsets, your probability of winning will then be 1/6, or

Reply #35

jimmy4164 — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:47:32 GMT

Not really, Pick4ologist. The really smart people who visit this website, after perusing a few threads like this one, simply shake their heads, and move on.

--Jimmy4164

Reply #34

jimmy4164 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:32:32 GMT

You're right about your prerogatives. If you perceive a trend, who am I to question it? What I believe I am justified in asking, however, is just what sorts of phenomena you would posit as causes of the trends that you perceive.

Reply #33

adobea78 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:49:10 GMT

'First of all, 0-7 comprise 80% of all base 10 digits, so 56% seems a bit shy of expected'.

What's your position on subject of discussion? May be specifics on your part , without quoting odds , but using data to explain your position will make this discussion worthwhile . People perceive data in different way, I may interprete 7/10 ratio in days,for draw digits between pool 0-7 from dates dec 31 to Jan 7( This was trending, so choosing days, weeks, or months data to select my pool size is my... [ More ]

Reply #32

jimmy4164 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:28:19 GMT

What I see are 34 numbers from 10 days of lottery results. 19 of them, or 56%, comprised exclusively of the digits 0-7. I'm puzzled that you perceive a pattern in this display indicating a continuation of draws sans 8-9. First of all, 0-7 comprise 80% of all base 10 digits, so 56% seems a bit shy of expected, not an excess. Secondly, the digits 8-9, which you decided to exclude, total 21, whereas 6-7, which you included, total only 17. (Not that it makes any difference!)

I think this random d... [ More ]

Reply #31

adobea78 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:35:03 GMT

Is not double talk, the info (rhetoric) given is easily tested and one can verify. Verifying a data trend is just easy. Take a look at Arkansa P3 below: For P3, the Trend of draw digits were between 0-7(in red), same for P4. so I look at my trend ,then adjust my Pool(model is reduced/increased depending).

Ark data

Pick 3 Pick 4

Midday Evening Midday Evening

Wed, Jan 9, 2013 850

Tue, Jan 8, 2013 804 739 5680 4435

Mon, Jan 7, 2013 155 989 1342 8955

Sun, Jan 6, 2013... [ More ]

Reply #30

jimmy4164 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:10:32 GMT

Until you define your terms and get more specific, many people here are going to write your rhetoric off as DOUBLE TALK.

Reply #29

adobea78 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:59:13 GMT

The cause generating a Momentary trend could be many factors, but am not concerned. What am concerned is the transitional data(could last a certain time, remember my life span is short with regard to large matrix odds). Like I said, stats and probabilty may seem mutually inclusive , but two completely different concepts. Stats deals with data(physical and dynamic), probability is more of inference , base on a data(Physical and dynamic).Since probability is a conditonal concept, i have the pleasu... [ More ]

Reply #28

jimmy4164 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:23:24 GMT

And just what do you suspect could cause a TREND in the DATA? I'm not persuaded by the idea that the configuration of the balls in the machine before the fans are turned on can have any measurable effect on the results.

Reply #27

adobea78 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:33 GMT

Thousand years!, I don't want wait that long for eventual combo to drop when dealing with a fluid/conditional concept like probability(more of inference concept based on choosen physical data, data deals with statistics, which can be extrapolated ). Probability is not a physical concept, and its definition is not absolute, but left to interpretation. The member CAJUN gave detailed explanation why the trend at a moment should be a subscale model(model should be dynamic, depending on TREND DATA).... [ More ]

Reply #26

lakerben — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:21:23 GMT

Excellent explanation

Reply #25

dr san — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:53:21 GMT

Hello, cajum, your example of deltas, is done horizontally

You can do well in the penultimate vertical with the ultimate giveaway

Example =

10, 15, 25, 35, 42.48

05, 12, 26, 36, 45.49 = ultimate giveaway

Vertically from 1st position we have 12-5 = 7 as well with the other position vertically

So looks like = .1 .1 .1, .3 5.3

Then normal delta d the ultimate giveaway = 05, 14, 10, 7, 9.4

Vertical Delta by position = 5, 3, 1, 1, 3.1

Lack of separate, and odd pairs

Let

Reply #24

Pick4ologist — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:49:29 GMT

Youll are sOme smart guys

Reply #23

jimmy4164 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:37:29 GMT

I studied the distribution of delta numbers in a year's worth of winning numbers from the New York, California and Michigan lotteries.

If you think for a while about the thousands of years that must transpire before all the possible combinations of most lotteries have been drawn, you will understand why I highlighted a year's worth above.

Reply #22

dr san — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:20:39 GMT

Helo, cajun, very good job of deltas, can, do, deltas, with even numbers of a lottery, with the odd and the mixed pairs and odd together (which is what this now) lack see if delta pair to pair and delta with odd and odd

Example of odd and odd

12,15,20,26,35,47

15-35 = 10 and 35 - 47 = 12

Odd and Odd = 10.12

Pair and pair

06/08/12

And mixed even and odd

12,3,5,6,9,12

Cajun, the base can also use the position on 49/6 have 6 positions

Reply #21

CajunWin4 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:42:15 GMT

Jimmy4164 ,

What you need to do is Convert the Drawn Lines into their Deltas for this to work ....

CW4

HOW IT WORKS:

It's actually very simple. The idea occurred to me when I thought about how a computer software program would store a winning lotto, keno or lottery number on disk. Storage space is always an issue with computers, so data compression is used whenever possible. To compress a lotto number, the software might store the delta of each number instead of the lotto numb... [ More ]

Reply #20

jimmy4164 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:39:02 GMT

CajunWin4,

The purpose of the (5,2) Lotto is to provide you with a model to use in testing Lotto System ideas. For example, if Stack47 were to translate his ideas involving 19,000 sets of 28 numbers to the scaled down (5,2) world here of 5 sets of 4 numbers, we might be able to see more clearly just what he is hypothesizing.

--Jimmy4164

Reply #19

adobea78 — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:00:18 GMT

The question posed is whether 'reduced model can increase the odds in winning?', over larger matrix. Is not whether you've done well with your predictions or not. If you are gathering data and selecting picks whether by stats(graphs,skips,sum, +1,-1 etc) or intuition (probabilty base on choosen data), you're still using information.What am saying is, every ideal should be given a thought, some may choose not to comment, but if one choose to comment , start with the subject in question , give rea... [ More ]

Reply #18

CajunWin4 — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:35:59 GMT

Then what is the use of this INFORMATION ? It can't help us Win . It just some reading material for People on Probabilty and Theory . It's really of NO USE !!! I have done Ok in my Predictions and Wins from my own System , Method and Theories on games .

Reply #17

adobea78 — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:30:40 GMT

Average life expectancy of humans are short compare to odds of large scale matrix. Flipping a coin 100 x, theoritically tells me the ratio is 0.5, but the ratio could be 20/80 or 40/60 or 80/20. The theoritical ratio will even out as you increase the flips (but my life span is short). Statistics and Probabilty may seem mutually inclusive, but they are completely two different concepts(Everything lies with interpretation of probability) . A data is more on the physical side, probability is more o... [ More ]

Reply #16

jimmy4164 — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:55:47 GMT

I've never tried, and consequently, never Predicted a lottery draw result. I got lucky one time in the PA Cash 5 and matched 4/5 with a Quickpick. Since I've never matched 5/5, my ROI is under 50% in this game. It sounds like you've had the good fortune to do better. Congratulations

Reply #15

CajunWin4 — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:28:55 GMT

jimmy4164 ,

I've done very well in beating these games without Probabilty and Theory on game play involved in my System ..How many times have you Predicted in Pick 5 games 5 out 5 , 4 out 5 , 3 out 5 and 2 out 5 ???

CW4

Reply #14

jimmy4164 — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:16:20 GMT

All this Probability and Theory are meaningless.

I'm sorry you feel this way CajunWin4. It doesn't bode well for your chances of success in the endeavors suggested in this post...

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/247020/2880981

...but you might find it interesting nonetheless.

--Jimmy4164

Reply #13

CajunWin4 — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:23:21 GMT

jimmy4164 ,

Just show us some real Predictions with some Wins !!! With your System , Method or Theory with a say about 7 to 25 Predictions Lines for NY Take 5 its should be easy the game is a Mech. Draw . All this Probability and Theory are meaningless !! Just real Predictions from a persons System , Methods or Theories that works consistently is the only proof needed .

CW4

Reply #12

RJOh — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:41:53 GMT

You're talking about the real world, this 2/5 stuff is make believe and for conversation only.

Reply #11

jimmy4164 — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:44:26 GMT

I put this Topic in the Systems Forum because it was motivated by the theory put forth in Discussion that subsets of Lotto fields could be systematically chosen to improve a player's odds of winning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_probability

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

Reply #10

adobea78 — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:34:03 GMT

This topic should be in math forum, but I want you define Probability. There's no singular definition when it comes to its interpretation. Check the two major interpretations(theoritical and practical) of probabilty, how the concept of probabilty evolved. The simple model (5,2) of larger matrix is left to how one interprets probabilty. Don't get stuck with 'odds and impossibility' but rather ' why the scale-down' can work. You don't need someone to come with the subset approach, you draw your co... [ More ]

Reply #9

jimmy4164 — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:51:39 GMT

Lakerben,

I want to stick with this simple (5,2) model until the probabilities of winning with subset selection can be compared to the obvious one in ten chance of a Jackpot when 2 numbers for a ticket are chosen purely at random. I'm still waiting for someone else to do it, preferably someone who believes the subset approach will be superior.

--Jimmy4164

Reply #8

x1kosmic — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:54:26 GMT

Jimmy's shown that you can make 10 pairs from 5 numbers

and if at least 2 hit of the 5, You can't miss getting two right

I'm kinda thinking, that if you were to use something like

5 numbers, but treat it as ONE number

You could make 'Pairs' that way

....is that kinda close

Reply #7

lakerben — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:43:20 GMT

Can you use the powerball or megamillions as an example of what you are showing? This seems interesting but all the verbage is taking away from your great ideas.

Reply #6

adobea78 — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:31:25 GMT

'without having good number indicators for your base sets' , I like this statement, inadvertently you hit the nail right on the head. I think I have the triggers for my subsets.

Reply #5

JKING — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:46:09 GMT

Hi,

Just to throw another point of view into the mix....

Scaling methods are valid and important as far as they go. The problem is that number shuffling is only part of a much bigger picture.

Imagine moving Scabble tiles around in the most effective way, but not having a vocabulary to spell out the words. In other words, without having good number indicators for your base sets, you will probably end up with a very expensive system with a low yield of wins (by coincidence).

I thin... [ More ]

Reply #4

adobea78 — Sun, 13 Jan 2013 22:48:31 GMT

stay on track, is the right approach, hard to get people out of comfort zones, ideals or concept posed are never addressed, but reason the concept is flawed abounds. Got pm from many members in line with the concept so do your thing

Reply #3

jimmy4164 — Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:35:07 GMT

Adobea78,

In light of your views on a scaled down look at games, what do you think of Ronnie316, Stack47, and Lottoboner's ideas in this thread?

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/247020/2878030

--Jimmy4164

Reply #2

adobea78 — Sat, 12 Jan 2013 02:35:30 GMT

Very logical, but so far as we work within the confines of lottery parameters or rules(why should pool size or field be 0-9 for p3,p4, why 5/31, 6/49 for lotto), we can't be part of 0.1 ratio winners where the money is made. I thought every lottery/lotto format started with a model which was then extrapulated into this astranomical odds, so the reverse is also true, one need to scale down for laser targeting. Just take any lottery/lotto , look at the range of drawn numbers for a month, it could... [ More ]

Reply #1

Ronnie316 — Sat, 12 Jan 2013 01:18:52 GMT

Nice work.

Lotto System Development Simplified

jimmy4164 — Sat, 12 Jan 2013 01:04:28 GMT

Lotto System Development Simplified

A lot of energy is expended here trying to design a system that might help a player win a Lotto Jackpot. The problem is that the dimensions of the state games are such that designers must deal with very LARGE numbers of combinations and very SMALL probabilities. Very often, the designer's ideas become obscured by complicated and tedious calculations. This thread is an attempt to provide a Lotto game model of scaled down dimensions to allow people to focus o... [ More ]