why do black americans rarely win big jackpots

Reply #135

marcie — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:26:43 GMT

Some blks do win the Jackpots all the time in different States Don't be like Paula Dean lol

Reply #134

CinCin — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:45:10 GMT

Very well stated.

Reply #133

garyo1954 — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 03:26:38 GMT

Which begs the question of why do people who not play the lottery fail to win? Heh!

I've looked at this post 10 - 12 times expecting it to be locked so I didn't respond.

I agree with everyone who refuted this idea. It makes no difference if you a tall, short, right handed, left handed, green eyed, blue eyed, pink, brown, yellow or black, all you need is the right numbers......

Except if you live in Texas where there has only been ONE powerball winner. NOW THAT IS A TRUE CONSPIRACY! LMAO... [ More ]

Reply #132

Goteki54 — Sun, 23 Jun 2013 23:36:03 GMT

Conspiracy theories are a poor substitution for facts, well played LottoNick! Thanks for presenting common sense. I come across blacks all the time here in Baltimore who believe that there is some sort of racially conspiracy with the Maryland Lottery. I just want to smack them upside their heads like Benny Hill use to do to his sidekick. Also, so that some may think I am a racist, I'm also black.

All anyone has to do is do a search on the internet of black lottery winners. If all the mega lot... [ More ]

Reply #131

Goteki54 — Sun, 23 Jun 2013 23:15:59 GMT

The Lottery CANNOT be beat? Um, then how come people are winnnig lotteries then? Logically speaking, that would mean that the lotteries are beatable correct? The person who won the powerball last night BEAT the lottery right

Reply #130

LottoNick56 — Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:41:56 GMT

Lucky store: Federal Beer, 1440 Federal St., Philadelphia, PA

Surrounding Area

Surrounding Area

Surrounding Area

Based on the neighborhood in the area of this store that sold the ticket, there is a VERY HIGH chance the winner of the $131.5 Powerball Jackpot is from a low-income area of Philadelphia. Also, it is likely that the winner is black based on the people who are walking around the streets in the nearby area on Google Street View. Your theory has probably

Reply #129

billionaire2bee — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 22:34:36 GMT

Common and uneducated.... well you really would know you high school dropout....you really need a job cause Im sure there's not that much use for a overweight hooker....oh and Cops was a great show....what episode were you on again

Reply #128

onlymoney — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:54:44 GMT

Big deal, they're just some token blacks the officials chose to appease the African American lottery players. They really didn't win but were compensated for their time as actors.

Reply #127

Artist77 — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:16:42 GMT

ohhh threats. I am sooooooooooo scared. lol Looks like I hit a nerve. You always sound so common and uneducated...kind of like the criminals on Cops. You may threaten your welfare mom, but it does not work with me loser. And get a job

Reply #126

billionaire2bee — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:34:45 GMT

Wow how stupid are you?? These are just words on a page....a message board...who cares who likes who....dont know about you but I actually graduated high school, but it seems as if you would continue to reside there....that's fine see if you can grow up and the next time you see something you dont care for or like let's see if you can keep your mouth shut...I'll bet you can't...

Reply #125

Artist77 — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 11:57:21 GMT

Rofl Ding ding ding!!! And he establishes why he is the still the most disliked person on this site! (and probaly at work and on his block).

I am but what are you? lol...lol...lol...olol

Cin Cin wishes she was delusional too??? lol

Reply #124

haymaker — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 01:59:59 GMT

WOW, Something RARE just happened.

some black people just won the lottery, not making it up, it's true, check the news thread.

Reply #123

billionaire2bee — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 01:51:52 GMT

LOL Call Hugh Heifer and see if he'll pay you to do a centerfold in the real heifer housewives issue

Reply #122

billionaire2bee — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 01:47:12 GMT

No but you wish you were

Reply #121

dallascowboyfan — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 01:38:20 GMT

Reply #120

dallascowboyfan — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 01:37:02 GMT

Lol know you didn't

Reply #119

dallascowboyfan — Sat, 22 Jun 2013 01:35:50 GMT

NP mikeintexas, glad to have another Cowboys fan on the LP

Reply #118

sully16 — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:59:24 GMT

rotflmao, good one

Reply #117

sully16 — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:58:49 GMT

Tomarrow is supermoon saturday, get lots of tickets.

Reply #116

ameriken — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:48:29 GMT

Reply #115

psykomo — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:46:34 GMT

SLY:

because they don't need ID 2 buy a lottery ticket!!!

D MAP?? what map????? ID No he he he he he he!!!

moe americans need 2 WIN D Lottery

Reply #114

Artist77 — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 22:43:21 GMT

hmmm so you like big girls Mr. Fitty plus 26? Here is my pic. I swear I eat nothing but salads , fruits and black coffee. Maybe we can start our own VOGUE magazine for obese girls? Can you front me about $500, 000 to get the mag started? I am sure you will triple your money! For reals!!!!

xxxooo

Reply #113

Artist77 — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 22:38:11 GMT

lol lol

Reply #112

CinCin — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:51:24 GMT

hey..are you kin to Billionaire2Be? lol

You are SERIOUSLY sounding DELUSIONAL

Reply #111

csample76 — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:09:28 GMT

for the person who thinks i need mental help. other people who are responding to uproar in brazil or saying that they know that their phones and emails are being monitored.the stores owners know the numbers and know the numbets you play and who gave them to you

Reply #110

csample76 — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:59:17 GMT

why do they only advertise thin and tall women as being worthy of money, beauty and talent. mqny overweight women eats fruits and vegetqble qnd exercise and not overeat, but these asvertisement and marketings ads hurt some people

Reply #109

Ronnie316 — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:35:50 GMT

She could sleep in the back of the $200K Cadi if she took the stereo out.

Reply #108

mikeintexas — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:25:29 GMT

Thanks, DC fan! (Go Cowboys!) Actually, I now remember reading that after giving it a glance b/c of something Ridge said in the thread. That was about the time I first posted, I think, had been a lurker in here for quite some time. Anyway, I saw an article about her in a financial website, followed it from some other story b/c it had her photo and I got to thinking about this thread.

Reply #107

dallascowboyfan — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:11:12 GMT

That article was posted on LP back in March https://www.lotterypost.com/news/258834

Reply #106

mikeintexas — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:50:08 GMT

Late last night I was reading about a (black) woman, Sharon Tirabassi from Ontario who won $10 million in the Canadian lottery and she blew through it in ten years. There's prob. an article about her in here, but she gave her family something like half of her winnings right off the bat, then helped friends, buying houses and letting them live in them rent-free. She's now living in a rented house and working and having to ride the bus to get around.

Reply #105

ameriken — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:41:50 GMT

I don't know about clowns, but when mimes win they keep silent about it.

Reply #104

sully16 — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:52:19 GMT

I want to know why clowns and Mimes never win

Reply #103

Coin Toss — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 05:20:56 GMT

Stack47,

Pumpi and free lotteries for midgets

dr65,

Good points. come to think of it, there' never been a mime win a jackpot either...but if one did wouldn't that make for one heck of a press conference

Reply #102

Stack47 — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 04:29:58 GMT

and I never see any midgets winning the lottery

Only because nobody took Pumpi's suggestion to offer free lotteries for midgets serious. But someone would start a thread Why do midgets living in New Jersey win most of the jackpots? and say the game is rigged.

Reply #101

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Reply #100

helpmewin — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 04:09:38 GMT

Reply #99

psykomo — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 03:44:08 GMT

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Reply #98

sully16 — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 02:31:32 GMT

The Map ? hehehehehehehehehehehe

Reply #97

CinCin — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 22:24:36 GMT

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that if this is true, it would be because they don't have tickets that have the numbers that were drawn. lol

Reply #96

dallascowboyfan — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:47:22 GMT

I remember him from the remake of The Longest Yard.

Reply #95

LottoBoner — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:09:41 GMT

Thats a very interesting video ronnie.

A big huge Arab looking dude, fighting a big black looking dude, cheered on by a little irish midget looking dude.

That black dude was a quitter. Maybe thats why he cant win the lotto.

Reply #94

dr65 — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:05:43 GMT

.....and I never see any midgets winning the lottery...or bearded ladies...or wolf boys...come to think of it, never

saw a siamese twin win either.

Man, what is up with this discrimination?

Dang, I haven't even won a PB or MM YET...and now I'm really mad.

Reply #93

Artist77 — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:02:21 GMT

I have been discriminated against since artists are never winners of the big jackpots!

I am just a poor starving artist so how will I survive without this money

Reply #92

JAP69 — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:49:05 GMT

Da m m m

I rarely see Native Americans win lottery prizes. The lotteries have it rigged against them.

How many Antarcticans you see win the lottery

Reply #91

Ronnie316 — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:47:27 GMT

Being white does NOT make you a winner, but having a name like Khali DOES......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA4N26Uiz0s

Reply #90

LottoBoner — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:40:51 GMT

This guy won. He looks kinda black to me.

Reply #89

Ronnie316 — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:38:45 GMT

.....................................

Reply #88

LottoBoner — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:35:37 GMT

He did win the jackpot. I think he is now the president of egypt.

Reply #87

csample76 — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:33:17 GMT

well according to the map. the western hemisphere is fair skin. people of color dont have much land. they are little island and scattered throughout. maybe thats the teason its not too many of them here in the western hemisphere

Reply #86

LottoBoner — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:23:43 GMT

that was a peace prize. but apparantly he wants to arm the syrians because of chemical weapons, ( i guess that peace prize is getting dusty)

which was probaly a CIA black project (just like benghazi probably was) in order to get the M.I.C more money.

Instead of arming them with weapons they should give them money. It could be the 52nd state. And they could all be on welfare. government assistance.

Or we can give them some winning lottery tickets. (But only if your are black)

P.S.

Reply #85

AlwaysSunday — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:39:16 GMT

Oh boy.

Reply #84

helpmewin — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:25:53 GMT

even the rats

Reply #83

helpmewin — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:02:02 GMT

Reply #82

RedStang — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:35:02 GMT

LOL. Don't forget Fat and Skinny, Smart and Stupid, Fast and Slow.

Reply #81

Ronnie316 — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:37:13 GMT

What about the really tall ones? How come The Great Khali never won a jackpot

Reply #80

dallascowboyfan — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:33:21 GMT

What about short people

Reply #79

Ronnie316 — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:28:15 GMT

RACE RACE RACE, everyone is part of some RACE. Lets talk about it.

Reply #78

jjtheprince — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:12:41 GMT

Why do gays lesbians rarely win jackpots

Reply #77

Rman313 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:08:47 GMT

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop talking about race with the lotto!! I'm black and I dont care!! The lotto system doesn't care. Just pick the right numbers, THATS ALL

Reply #76

Stack47 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:38:11 GMT

I'm just talking about the statistics and assuming the percentage of government jobs in D.C. is higher than in cities with a similar population like Denver or Seattle. Since the percentage of the population is much higher D.C. than Nationally and if the number of government jobs in D.C. is higher than Nationally, it should raise the overall percentage of government employees.

And probably why 12.6% of the National population are employed in 18% of the government jobs. Another example could be... [ More ]

Reply #75

KY Floyd — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:59:35 GMT

I don't know about missing their meds, but I've got $100 that says they missed high school.

Reply #74

KY Floyd — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:56:30 GMT

Black people rarely win jackpots for two reasons.

1. Black people are a minority. There are fewer black people, so as a result of simple probability they win fewer jackpots.

2. Many black people don't bother to play because they know it's rigged. People who don't play don't win.

Reply #73

veganlife125 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:57:49 GMT

Your not even a good TROLL but i see you got your view count up haha

Reply #72

dallascowboyfan — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:55:46 GMT

LOL or that her last name was White

Reply #71

Artist77 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:14:22 GMT

But people who work in DC, also live in VA or MD...so 18% sounds right to me. And actually, living in the area, the black population in DC fell below 50% for the first time in 2011. And the fed govt. is not the only employer in DC. There is the local DC government, etc. and many private employers.

Reply #70

onlymoney — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:13:15 GMT

We're not being rude, we're just pointing out how idiotic his thread is, just like your posts past and present.

Well, at least now you guys understand how I feel when I see people who keep refusing to accept the simple fact that the lottery is fair and random, you can't calculate the draw from previous draws.

Well that's the final judgement on this everyone. What YOYO says is the GOLDEN truth because Peter St. Pierre who makes 70 grand a year for the last 5 years is just a very l... [ More ]

Reply #69

Stack47 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:44:31 GMT

I don't know the percentage of Federal offices that are in D.C., but I know the population of D.C. is 50.7% Black Americans. Depending on the demographics where all the Federal offices are located, 18% could be proportionally low.

The OP is an opinion and with zero evidence to back up their claim so it's just a wild assumption. Even if the proportions were known, it won't prevent or persuade anyone of any color buying a ticket.

Reply #68

Ronnie316 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:38:46 GMT

Perhaps being a white person is also helpful? After all, 75% of winners are white.

Reply #67

Ronnie316 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:36:44 GMT

Some of us here do think we can get BETTER ODDS by using strategic methods instead of randomness.

Reply #66

yoho — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:30:45 GMT

While I agree with their statements in this case, it amazes and saddens me how the EXACT same people who accuse me of being rude/arrogant for being logical about how the lottery CANNOT be beat are being so rude to this guy. Hypocrites much?

(there are a few exceptions though)

Well, at least now you guys understand how I feel when I see people who keep refusing to accept the simple fact that the lottery is fair and random, you can't calculate the draw from previous draws. It... [ More ]

Reply #65

olplugger — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:52:15 GMT

Well Said

Reply #64

Coin Toss — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:37:58 GMT

Everybody posting on this board with the exception of sample and smooth know that the only color the lotteries are really concerned with is GREEN $$$$$$$$$$$.

Reply #63

MADDOG10 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:25:03 GMT

Get back on those Meds. Then call Obammy when he gets back and explain situation to him.

Reply #62

sully16 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:11:04 GMT

Don't go away angry, just go away

Reply #61

Teddi — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:34:14 GMT

Sweet Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Did you miss your meds?

Hon, send me a private message and tell me where you live. I'll get someone to pick you up and get you to the psych ward at Bellevue, or any accredited psych institution. Don't be afraid. This'll be for your own good.

You shouldn't be left on your own. No one should be walking around thinking like you do without some board certified shrink treating you on a regular basis.

Something ain't right. Seriously. I'm not kidding. You reall... [ More ]

Reply #60

csample76 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:30:45 GMT

some people who are considered ignorant or being ignored.

Reply #59

Nikkicute — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:23:07 GMT

Had to google Rosa Delauro.

This has been up for discussion before and then the older black women won

Powerball and the one who started the thread pretty much disappeared. lol

Reply #58

dr65 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:28:01 GMT

....'had a person tell you what numbers you played'??

Um, if you hand a playslip over, you'll have that.

The only group being paid are the ones who have the right winning combination. My group of me, myself and I

don't get paid often in these big games. I'm lucky if I win a bonus number.

The black man who was in line a day before winning $400+ on something must've been being watched!! because

they, by snip ed, let him win...I was standing right next to him, why not me? They... [ More ]

Reply #57

ttech10 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 04:30:38 GMT

The same reason midgets, billionaires and aborigines rarely - or never - win.

The lottery commission follows those people around and make note of their numbers and then rig the drawings so they don't stand a chance. Next time you see a white person in line behind a black person playing the lottery, that's an agent of the commission. It's because of people like that the black community made the movie Lottery Ticket , sort of as a nod to the white man that they know the only way they can w... [ More ]

Reply #56

CajunWin4 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 04:16:13 GMT

The Lottery does not care if your Yellow , Green , Black ,White ,Blue or even Purple . All thats matters if you bought the tickets that matches the drawn digits

Reply #55

RJOh — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 04:08:38 GMT

He doesn't care about what Mrs.Louise White won or even that she wasn't white, he probably thinks she won because she acted white . After all he wrote when colored people win either they or their partners are too light. He probably doesn't think all Americans of color are black even if they have relatives from Africa.

Reply #54

dallascowboyfan — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:08:42 GMT

Why would you say these things? You know darn well the lottery is not racist. Mrs Louise White won $336 million dollars in Rhode Island for Pete's Sake

Reply #53

Teddi — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 02:12:35 GMT

I didn't want to respond to this and therefore keep it at the top, but as a non-white person (and I really didn't need to announce that except I need you to hear me) stop it. Either you're someone masquerading as black person to draw people's ire, or I feel sorry for whoever warped your views into such racist nonsense. I don't even know if you realize what a disservice you do to the rest of us when you spout off such crap.

As a wise man once said:

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery... [ More ]

Reply #52

NightStalker — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:54:53 GMT

I thought the exact same thing.

Reply #51

JonnyBgood07 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:22:54 GMT

I can't even believe this would remotely be up for discussion.

...and I thought Rosa Delauro took the cake

Reply #50

onlymoney — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:15:46 GMT

Reply #49

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Reply #48

onlymoney — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:02:16 GMT

Reply #47

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Reply #46

onlymoney — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:28:05 GMT

I'm hoping I'm the only one who just got this thought, although I doubt it. lol

There's nothing wrong with ignorance. It's what you do to lessen it's influence on your life by educating yourself, which is what counts. Now that's a Million dollar quote. Of course after I leave this planet. lol

ESCARGOT!

Thanks Cointoss. It's part of LP life right

Reply #45

rdgrnr — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:02:02 GMT

If what you and stoolsample76 are saying is true, you'd have to be incredibly stupid to be playing the lottery.

You're not playing are you

Reply #44

Coin Toss — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:17:43 GMT

Approximately 12% of the U.S. population is black (as Stack poointed out) yet 18% of federal employees are black.

Funny how people who start discussions such as this one never point out such things as disproportionate.

Reply #43

onlymoney — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:39:41 GMT

Obviously Stack did an outstanding job pointing out the differences in population among blacks and whites. I had a similar debate with a guy years ago who claimed that whites cause more crime, yet when I pointed out that the higher ratio of crime was being commited with blacks because of the smaller population of blacks, he couldn't grasp it. You can't argue with ignorant people.

Another debate was with a friend of mine who was white and intelligent. He claimed that there were less fatalities... [ More ]

Reply #42

loosejuice — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:37:21 GMT

What a dumb azz ?....gotta be the dumbest post ,,,since i posted ...who farted....lmao

Reply #41

psykomo — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:21:17 GMT

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Reply #40

Mr-Smith — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:28:40 GMT

When I was growing up I was always told that, the lottery is just a waste of money.

Me and my friends did not play the lottery until the pot was REALLY high...

So this maybe the simple reason why you do not see a great number of black lottery players...

Its not that we dont play, we just dont play that much. But I could be wrong...

Reply #39

Stack47 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:07:43 GMT

Headlines: Jackpot winner was waiting for a LP cap and shirt to arrive before validating a jackpot winning ticket.

Reply #38

Stack47 — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:01:14 GMT

My point was according to your statistics, Black Americans are proportionally winning more jackpots than the overall population. That could be explained by purchasing a higher percentage of jackpot game tickets. The question here is based on the opinion, proportionally Black Americans win less jackpots without any statistics to back up their claim.

its no point some people will even defend the reasons for slavery existing but thats here nor there

The OP is suggesting not only do they rig... [ More ]

Reply #37

RJOh — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:48:25 GMT

Why don't you start searching for all the winners and see what you end up with, you might be surprised. I would do it myself if I had the time or energy.

Reply #36

RJOh — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:27:52 GMT

My question would be why haven't we seen any lottery winners wearing a LP cap or shirt? . Don't LP members play or don't they know how to win