Math Police for State's using Computer Draws

Reply #25

Nikkicute — Fri, 13 Jun 2014 06:25:06 GMT

I will play the RNG games once in a while, and I do believe that they have the exact same patterns to recognize as ball drawn games.

Reply #24

WIN D — Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:43:49 GMT

Here is a link to a few links regarding Audits for State Lotteries.....etc. Calif seems to enjoy a lot of awards in a row for transparency.

Still not clear about there being an Association of some kind where standards are agreed on ......across the board. If not ....lets start one !!

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant ion=1 espv=2 ie=UTF-8#q=who%20audits%20lottery%20games

Reply #23

EdG1955 — Tue, 10 Jun 2014 02:08:28 GMT

Who said anything about the states being after our best interests? That's crazy. They're out for their own interests. They don't have to cheat. If they're not pulling in enough money, they change the rules and the odds. They own the game

Reply #22

datamon414 — Sat, 07 Jun 2014 18:52:55 GMT

COMPUTER DRAWINGS....

WIN D et al,

Gentlemen, your enlightened discussion of this topic serves

to highlight the concerns players have concerning this matter.

One does not have to be a MIT grad to visualize the possibilities and

potential for fraud in a situation where techies program these computers.

Worse case scenario, a program deliberately designed by the developers to produce a consistent

sent of five winning numbers in a couple of major jackpot games, and some where... [ More ]

Reply #21

Pick3Guy — Fri, 06 Jun 2014 21:29:30 GMT

The problem with the pre/post draws has to do with tracking the numbers and when playing for the actual draws. There's nothing we can do about it, except for ,maybe, starting a petition. It would call for each state to either stop all pre/post tests or ,publicly, list all of them.

On one hand, you're right that a digit(e.g. 9) doesn't have to stop hitting. That's because of the random nature of the game. But, on the hand, it ,maybe, does. Again, the reason being the randomness of the game. T... [ More ]

Reply #20

Pick3Guy — Fri, 06 Jun 2014 19:14:10 GMT

That's exactly right! Anything mechanical is subject to breakdown with repeated use. They are increasing the likelihood of this happening with all those pre/post tests being done. I believe they are trying to throw people off and that's the real reason for it.

Reply #19

TnTicketlosers — Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:24:10 GMT

edg u must work for tn lottery.

Reply #18

Lucky Loser — Thu, 05 Jun 2014 05:04:52 GMT

For what it's worth, I was only sharing a legit concern for the game and the players of the game. I actually find it extremely amusing that rather than take what makes perfect sense into consideration, people write it off as 'much ado about nothing' and that the states are trying so very hard to give players the absolute best advantages while ensuring the highest playing experience. 'You can't bet on a pre-test' is absolutely correct! Here's some well seasoned food for thought along with an ice... [ More ]

Reply #17

onlymoney — Thu, 05 Jun 2014 02:39:14 GMT

But how does someone win If they don't lose most of the time?

To win straight in the p-3 game is 1 in a 1,000. Not an easy task to fulfill. Until the day we find the golden egg, it's a seemingly endless learning curve.

Most of us don't get knowledge from a beam of light shining on our head. A baby will fall many times before it finally learns how to walk properly when he/she grows older and wiser.

Reply #16

mrcraft — Thu, 05 Jun 2014 02:21:15 GMT

Until you actually win some money the game hasZERO entertainment value.

That's so true.

Reply #15

onlymoney — Thu, 05 Jun 2014 02:07:44 GMT

You're right, the states are after our best interest. The sky is always blue, and everyone lives in a log cabin by a stream with singing birds and butterflies.

Pffftttt !!!, what was I thinking

Reply #14

LottoBoner — Thu, 05 Jun 2014 01:44:10 GMT

I agree that I think the lottery does the best to maintain transparency. I will play the RNG games once in a while, and I do believe that they have the exact same patterns to recognize as ball drawn games.

As for the obessesion with pre-tests, I think its silly and a waste of time and energy. You cant really prove they have any effect at all in my opinion. As gail howard says in her book, You cant bet on a pre-test so why be preoccupied with them?

As for that person who worked for the lott... [ More ]

Reply #13

EdG1955 — Wed, 04 Jun 2014 22:26:51 GMT

It's very amusing to read all the whining about how the game is rigged. The states all do their best to assure random drawings. That is in their best interest. And random draws are not affected by pre- or post-tests. They're random. Each result set is independent of all other result sets. There is no cheating, fixing, or rigging going on.

There are occasional software bugs in the RNG code, but the bugs have never been shown to benefit anybody. As a professional programmer with 40 years experi... [ More ]

Reply #12

Lucky Loser — Wed, 04 Jun 2014 21:40:30 GMT

CARBOB, I m certainly not sure how many people may or may not be familiar with the draw process but I they all fall into one of two categories. One, they don t know and could care less because they re just not that involved and feel it makes no difference. Two, they do really care, they re dedicated and involved serious players, but they still don t quite understand just how it REALLY affects them and their respective play styles (systems/approaches). Well, I feel that I do and will explain once... [ More ]

Reply #11

JonnyBgood07 — Wed, 04 Jun 2014 09:46:47 GMT

it is shady...and the same here in CT.Sad part is they openly state that their records can be viewed by the public

and they acted like they didn't know what I was talking about .Then they proceeded to repeatedly ask why I was interested in a certain months pretest results.

Reply #10

CARBOB — Wed, 04 Jun 2014 09:26:06 GMT

OM LL-

How many people do you think in Florida,do you think, are aware they have pre-tests? I brought this subject up with the lottery vendors service people. Their response was, Florida has always had pre-tests. I can't prove it, but I don't believe it's true. I asked lottery hqs for a copy of the pre-tests and was told, they are not recorded. Does that sound shady or not.

Reply #9

Jon D — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:47:47 GMT

Apparently not, as they keep messing up over and over again.

What I gather is that the lottery buys these draw machines from the vendors, who teaches them how to operate and maintain them, and then gives them a number to call if something goes wrong. But after they leave, the lottery is left to their own devices.

Do they have an on staff statistician regularly analyzing past results for anomalies? Maybe, but probably not. All the mathematical and programming expertise is on the vendor side... [ More ]

Reply #8

Lucky Loser — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 21:15:09 GMT

onlymoney, I share the same views as you about the whole draw process, in general, and I've given other examples of how it seems like 'legalized cheating'. They absolutely tear up perfectly good machines which have already been quality inspected, passed, and signed on. Yet, before each official draw they start 'em up and draw combinations up to five times just to STILL DRAW AN OFFICIAL COMBINATION. Well, hell, what happened to the previous draws conducted with the same balls and machine? Null an... [ More ]

Reply #7

LottoBoner — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:39:41 GMT

If the numbers are coming around full circle, then why are you complaining

Reply #6

onlymoney — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:06:47 GMT

In addition, let's say after all these pre tests and post tests the machine breaks down during an actual drawing. What will they do next? Well, my estimation is that they'll re-do the drawing with an alternate machine. So what did they accomplish? They STILL had to use an alternate machine.

They took all the precautions in the world and the machine still broke down.

So basically, this is the bottom line in my opinion. Surely they may have delayed the breakdown of any one particular machine... [ More ]

Reply #5

onlymoney — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 17:57:13 GMT

I wouldn't use the word Fixed . It's more like manipulation of the potential pattern formation without physically tampering with the machines.

Someone here on LP once wrote, it's like starting your car every half hour to make sure the starter is still working . With at least 3 pre-tests and 3 post tests, that's exactly what they're doing. Does that make any sense?

Johnny: Hey Tommy, why do you flush your toilet three times before you actually use it, and 3 times after you use it?

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Reply #4

TnTicketlosers — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 17:42:45 GMT

Tennessee lottery is the biggest joke,I cant stand playing anymore because I know I wont win.June 13 we are going to Georgia,so excited.I hope to win a little.Its just plain fun to play there.

Reply #3

bigbear29 — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:59:18 GMT

Onlymoney, are you stating that the ball games might be fixed to keep the greedy agenda going

Reply #2

rdgrnr — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 15:51:54 GMT

It's probably the same everywhere, WIN D.

When some player notices a discrepancy they'll rush in and fix it and say they didn't know how that could have happened.

But until then it's business as usual and Job One for their job security is protecting and enhancing the bottom line to keep the Muckety Mucks happy.

But then I may be jaded, living in Tennessee, which is rated the worst of all the lotteries in the country

Reply #1

onlymoney — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 15:38:10 GMT

It bothers me that so many people are pissed off about the potential problems with computer draws, yet they're totally oblivious, cavalier, and comfortable with ball drawn states and their BS reasons for the many many pre tests, post tests, tube rotations, and machine rotations which beyond the shadow of a doubt throw off any resemblance of patterns that may and do occur.

I recently found out that Florida has 21 ball sets. I believe they perform at least 3 pre tests and 3 post tests. Florida... [ More ]

Math Police for State's using Computer Draws

WIN D — Tue, 03 Jun 2014 14:04:17 GMT

Is there any sort of mutual understanding or agreement among these state gaming commissions ......regarding rules and standards needed to check Computer Drawn Games ?

Shouldn't someone be checking these State's and their use of computer draws ? If not ......why not?

One day...... they are going to open up one of those little black boxes ....and find a surprise!

Win d

Who's doing the checking?

Who was doing the audits when the Tenn's computer scandal hit... [ More ]