Standing in line ready to purchase a lottery ticket and overhead... .

Reply #52

GiveFive — Sat, 18 Apr 2015 01:34:07 GMT

WOW!! Thanks! (I think)

I guess I was right when I suspected that it wouldn't be an easy task to dumb it down for a guy like me. ;-) G5

Reply #51

KY Floyd — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 22:53:05 GMT

Just to expand on what's been said, in case it's not clear.

you have to consider the number of pairs of people, not just the number of people.

A group of 23 people can make 253 possible pairs. A can be paired with B, C, D and so on, for 22 pairs. B can be paired with C, D, E and so on, for 21 pairs. The process repeats until V can be paired with W, making only one pair. That makes the total 22+21+20 ... +2 +1. Any particular person in a group of 23 has only 22 chances to find another pers... [ More ]

Reply #50

GiveFive — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 11:16:14 GMT

Thanks so very much for your post!!

I'm curious as to the origin of the formula that calculates the expected total number of duplicates. Did you work it out yourself, or is it an equation that has been around for years?

Please know that I'm a layman when it comes to math!! I realize that any explanation you might post could be well beyond my capability to comprehend! Unfortunately for me, you may have to dumb it down a bit, if that's even something that can be done!

Would you know if t... [ More ]

Reply #49

Murgatroyd — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 00:39:44 GMT

The probability that a given drawing will match the numbers of a previous drawing is almost linear with the total number of drawings. I say almost because previous duplicates affect it a little - it's exactly linear with the number of distinct sets drawn in previous drawings.

The expected total number of duplicates in a set of n drawings for a 5/39 matrix is close to n*(n-1)/1,151,514. For 3700 drawings, that's about 12; for 6584, 38; for 7740, 52. The actual numbers of 11, 44, and 50 ar... [ More ]

Reply #48

RJOh — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 22:46:40 GMT

Is there something wrong with the way I'm doing my calculation? (I ask that because I see that your math is correct.) Thanks! I appreciate your input.

No there isn't, you just didn't read my post correct. I posted at 3700 drawings the odds of a repeat are 1:155 and at the beginning the odds were 1:575757 or 0 since you can't have a repeat until after the first drawing. If you took the average of 0 and 3700 or 1850 and calculated for that many drawings the odds of a repeat are 1:311.(not 377... [ More ]

Reply #47

GiveFive — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:37:04 GMT

In New York, Take5 (a 5/39 game) has had 44 duplicate sets of five numbers since 1/17/92 with 6,584 drawings.

So that's 6584/44 or 1:149 drawings. (very close to what Ohio RC5 has experienced)

I checked Ohio Rolling Cash5 and I see 11 sets of duplicate winners in 3706 drawings or 3706/11 which equals 337. So I'm confused because one way it's once every 156 draws and the other way it's 337.

Is there something wrong with the way I'm doing my calculation? (I ask that because I see that y... [ More ]

Reply #46

RJOh — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 03:36:02 GMT

You don't have to be an academic to explain the obvious. As you said the odds of hitting all five winning numbers in a 5/39 game are 1:575757 and as I said Ohio's RC5(5/39) had 3700 drawings. Over the period of those 3700 drawings the odds of a repeat went from 1:575757 to 3700:575757 or 1:156. After 3700 drawings you can expect 1 in 156 drawings to be a repeat combination.

Reply #45

Murgatroyd — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:17:30 GMT

At any rate, I'm sure there's somebody in the academic world that would have an explanation as to why it happens as much as it does. I myself have no clue, but I'd love to hear somebody with an advanced degree in math, statistics and probability explain why it does.

It's known as the birthday paradox . If you have a group of just 23 people, it's more likely than not that two of them will share a birthday. The reason is that you have to consider the number of pairs of people, not just the num... [ More ]

Reply #44

GiveFive — Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:15:01 GMT

Well, many folks think it shouldn't happen due to the odds. 575,757 to 1 odds in a 5/39 matrix makes it tough for some people to accept that it happens with as much frequency as it apparently does across many states with 5/39 games.

Due to the fact that it happens as much as it does, it seems to me that it's a lot more probable than most people realize. I'm wondering if it's a probability thing . Statistics and probability while similar in nature aren't the exactly the same thing. Maybe stati... [ More ]

Reply #43

RJOh — Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:33:57 GMT

Kind of hard to believe isn't it? But it's true. Same thing has happened with New York's daily 5/39 game Take5. It's had 44 sets of five winning numbers be drawn twice in 6,580 drawings. Georgia's Fantasy5 is another one. 26 sets of quints drawn in 6,900 drawings since the game began on October 31, 2000.

Why is that hard to believe? Ohio Rolling Cash5(5/39) with over 3700 drawings has had eleven combinations of five repeat. With less than 600K possible combinations repeats once in a while ar... [ More ]

Reply #42

rcbbuckeye — Mon, 13 Apr 2015 00:25:31 GMT

It's like that in sales. Every no I hear just means I'm closer to a yes.

Reply #41

maximumfun — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 21:28:59 GMT

Funny - I am happy when I lose, cuz I figure I am one drawing closer to my winning. --my dh thinks my logic is off... but since he wants me to keep on cooking...

Reply #40

SilverLion — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 13:37:01 GMT

At my store, the only thing overhead are the nudie mags.

But I am willing to give up California.

Mexico can take it. Or Canada.

Japan can have it as last resort.

Reply #39

GiveFive — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 12:04:14 GMT

You play Cali's Fantasy 5 'Gate?

Here's a little tidbit for you; There's been 50 times when a set of five winning numbers has been drawn twice in more than 7,740 drawings of California Fantasy 5 since the game began on February 4, 1992. Didja know that?

Think I'm kidding? Check this out: 4 9 19 27 35 was drawn on June 30th 1996, and again on August 14th, 2012.

Kind of hard to believe isn't it? But it's true. Same thing has happened with New York's daily 5/39 game Take5. It's had 44 se... [ More ]

Reply #38

JustJim — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 02:13:06 GMT

I'd give up reality tv....which is no biggie for me since I never watch that crap anyway....

Reply #37

CDanaT — Sat, 11 Apr 2015 22:37:43 GMT

Got to agree rcb, the odds are too great to expect to win. Perhaps he should give playing every other draw, that way he would boy perturbed only half the time

Reply #36

KY Floyd — Sat, 11 Apr 2015 01:03:02 GMT

That is definitely not normal.

I'll bet it's completely normal in JJ's social circle.

Reply #35

noise-gate — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 19:18:17 GMT

Mischievous Friday:

Went by the convenience store in Milpitas that sold a million dollar scratcher a month or so ago this morning. Decided to scan my losing Fantasy 5 ticket and got around to asking the guy behind the counter Who owns this joint- his reply was who wants to know? l said me, because I read about a situation at this store on a website called Lottery Post.

Have a Great Weekend People.

Reply #34

zinniagirl — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:08:43 GMT

Well, let's see, gave up my husband 26 yrs ago to a drunk driver, still haven't won.

gave up $2-4 a week to the lottery, still haven't won.

i know! Give up my hair...since it will grow Back when I don't win

Reply #33

noise-gate — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 14:38:29 GMT

Playful Banter HLK....

Reply #32

HoLeeKau — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 14:33:43 GMT

I'd guess she meant her husband's family -- her inlaws.

Reply #31

noise-gate — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 14:27:41 GMT

I get PISSED when I lose, why wouldn't I?

That should make No Sense whatsoever : After all you always posting stuff stating that jackpots are Easy to Win.

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PSSH...Ive got tons of cred. The fact that neither game can roll is absolute proof that both are way too easy.

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Reply #30

rcbbuckeye — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 00:40:54 GMT

That is definitely not normal. Obviously there is no concept of the odds involved. It's supposed to be fun. Sure being disappointed when you don't win is normal, but the odds are such that winning a jackpot is probably not gonna happen.

If I got to the point that I was mad every time I lost, I would just quit playing.

Reply #29

jjtheprince — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 00:18:54 GMT

I get PISSED when I lose, why wouldn't I?

You should see a friend I know when he loses, he flies into a rage, will start cursing and burn his losing tickets with his lighter lol.

Reply #28

TnTicketlosers — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 20:15:03 GMT

Tennessee as my home state,mushrooms and poverty.I would even fly to Hawaii,kiss a mooses butt,sleep in a tent,and eat a bite of dead rodent...Im desperate to leave here as you can see....move to Guntersville,Alabama on the lake...

Reply #27

KY Floyd — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:10:13 GMT

I'd give up Lent.

Reply #26

dallascowboyfan — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 17:38:40 GMT

The eleptical

Reply #25

noise-gate — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 15:43:25 GMT

Is that supposed to read My Husband Family Nydebbie

Reply #24

Nydebbie — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 03:53:25 GMT

My husband family

Reply #23

rcbbuckeye — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 03:48:10 GMT

LOL. I don't think they would be throwing any parties for me. Except to help me out the door! LOL.

Actually, one of the guys in our lottery pool at work says the same thing. He would give them the same notice that they would give him if they were going to fire him. He has a point.

Reply #22

noise-gate — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 02:45:48 GMT

Maybe the Help you are suggesting he get to cope with his frustration is telling him to post stuff like Winning the jackpot is easy perhaps saying stuff like that is his pacifier..

Reply #21

noise-gate — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 01:56:00 GMT

Your response reminds me of the movie l watched last night Murgatroyd w/ the Wife. It was the Imitation Game ..and there is a scene in there about Firing people it's hilarious. Thoroughly enjoyable nonetheless.

Reply #20

RJOh — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 01:22:12 GMT

Most people are frustrated by their addictions but can't stop. Sounds like he should be seeking help.

Reply #19

noise-gate — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 01:07:28 GMT

Sometimes giving notice is worse than simply quitting. You don't have to go through the hassle of We going to throw a party because you such a great guy etc ... Skip the punch and donuts.

Reply #18

Murgatroyd — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:22:57 GMT

I would. I have nothing against my coworkers, and my department is small enough that one person vanishing without notice would make things much harder on the rest.

On the other hand, my attitude toward a lot of corporate BS would become what are they going to do, fire me

Reply #17

rcbbuckeye — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 23:49:32 GMT

If playing frustrates you, then you shouldn't be playing at all.

Reply #16

rcbbuckeye — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 23:48:50 GMT

I always felt that the right thing to do is give notice. But I'm so mad at work right now that if I won, I wouldn't give those mf-ers the time of day.

Reply #15

jjtheprince — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:21:10 GMT

If I win I'll give up playing the lottery ever again! LOL

The game is frustrating I wouldn't put myself thru the frustration of trying to win another

Reply #14

noise-gate — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 19:46:10 GMT

Hmm- l see my Hater is following my posts grading them as well. Hmm, this leprechaun is probably trying to tell me that he has some stones. Hmmm.

Reply #13

noise-gate — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 18:57:36 GMT

You ain't a kidding Sully.

Reply #12

sully16 — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 18:51:54 GMT

Brussels sprouts.

Reply #11

noise-gate — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 18:26:28 GMT

True that- it's the one enterprise that can increase or rob you of your joy instantaneously.

Reply #10

RJOh — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 16:50:56 GMT

Lotteries aren't interested in anyone giving up anything but their money for tickets.

Reply #9

noise-gate — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 15:17:29 GMT

Which begs the question rcb Would you give them 2 week's if you hit it?

A good friend of mine said Absolutely NO 2 week's notice for me when I asked Why not? His answer You think they going to give me 2 week's notice before firing me

Reply #8

rcbbuckeye — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 11:50:35 GMT

That's it for me too.

Actually, I pretty close to giving up my job without hitting a jackpot.

Retirement can't come fast enough.

Reply #7

CDanaT — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 11:20:16 GMT

I am willing to give up my .....................hmmmmmmmmmmmmm????.......let's seee......don't do drugs, smoke or drink, so that's out....Spouse is a great one, gotta keep her.Dog is really good, so he stays(besides, he harasses the Mrs. and it's funny as ole sh*t when he steals her bras and she tries to catch him - which never happens). Kids are all pretty good, leaves that option out. In-laws live at least 1000 miles away, so that works REALLY well for me. Have to keep the coffee and a hot sho... [ More ]

Reply #6

savagegoose — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 06:13:23 GMT

actually 2 min noodles are in my emergency stack of dried food, i prob would miss them. I was being sarcastic. id give up driving a V8 again. mainly cuz id get some V12's lol

Reply #5

MaximumMillions — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 05:48:10 GMT

Celery.

Reply #4

noise-gate — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 00:37:06 GMT

Sounds fair. I just figured out what l am willing to give up- a parking ticket from 2013 in SF which cost $74...The Highest in the country at that time, l am told. That money could have purchased a lot of lottery tickets....all Losing tickets, most likely.

Reply #3

noise-gate — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 00:36:03 GMT

Genius. .

Reply #2

RJOh — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 00:18:42 GMT

I'm willing to give up $10 every time I play and sometimes it's $15 when I play MegaMillions and want to match the magaball for sure.

Reply #1

savagegoose — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 00:07:23 GMT

2 min noodles

Standing in line ready to purchase a lottery ticket and overhead... .

noise-gate — Tue, 07 Apr 2015 19:58:07 GMT

These two guys asking each other What are you willing to give up in order to win the jackpot?

The Older Guy says without hesitation My Brother in law, apparently the sister is now supporting the family because this guy refuses to go out look for work. It got me thinking, what am I willing to give up, certainly not a limb, my dogs or worse.

What would you be willing to give up in order to win? I found it humorous at the time so this falls under Entertainment Purposes Only .

*** Have a