How Random is Random?

Reply #174

ElinaSammy2081 — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:59:02 GMT

Yes in NY is a daily game plus I keep charts for pick 3, pick 4, pick 10, MM, NY lotto and take five so I have a lot of charts and I have ten notebooks filled with workouts and lottery information I have learned so much from LP.

Reply #173

RJOh — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:37:33 GMT

Ohio has a 5/39 game Rolling Cash5 with over 3900 drawings, maybe I should be looking at it closer but it's a daily game which means everything changes daily and you must have a working plan in place ready to go.

Reply #172

ElinaSammy2081 — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 06:52:22 GMT

I play NY take5 I look at my charts and study for hours and ask myself what is it that I am over looking is only a 5/39 game it should be a piece of cake. Unfortunately is not that or simple I do mange 2/5 that's just a free play.

Reply #171

Stack47 — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:14:03 GMT

If it's based on results, I hit 5 out of 6 using all the numbers, but used the same lines for multiple drawings. I used a makeshift system for a few months, but never had more than a four number match.

Reply #170

RJOh — Wed, 19 Aug 2015 04:00:36 GMT

We have random drawings that follow probability (plus or minus standard deviation) so maybe we should be looking for something else.

That was my point, I have no idea of what that something else is. I've kept my eye on Ohio Classic Lotto because it's the only game I've ever come within one number of hitting the jackpot but its odds of 1:54 to match3 for $2 aren't as attractive as MM odds of 1:15 of matching 0+1 for $1. I might play 10 lines tomorrow just for the heck of it and its jackpot is... [ More ]

Reply #169

Stack47 — Wed, 19 Aug 2015 03:31:40 GMT

So do random lottery drawings but I wouldn't have any idea of how to take advantage of this even as last night MM drawing repeated a pattern that has happened in 10% of its previous drawings.

We have random drawings that follow probability (plus or minus standard deviation) so maybe we should be looking for something else. I was looking at the Ohio Classic Lotto statistics and the number of hits vary from 1 to 11 in the last 100 drawings. Not saying they are easy to find, but there are numbe... [ More ]

Reply #168

garyo1954 — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:42:06 GMT

Hey there Lottery Detective!

GOOD INFO!

We need to pick your brain more often

Reply #167

CARBOB — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:02:47 GMT

Tia, a very good example, you just gave. You will make a very good Lottery Detective

Reply #166

Tialuvslotto — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:31:53 GMT

I think digit 0 will repeat, statistic wise.

Always a good bet and a stellar example of how random isn't really that random. You would expect a random system to log the same proportion of hits at each skip increment, but the Zero Skip is usually (always?) the highest proportion of hits.

For example, 27% of doubles hit at skip 0, a further 20% at skip 1, another 15% at skip 2, and so on, with the percentage decreasing with each increase in the skip count.

Reply #165

CARBOB — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:04:56 GMT

You and me both.

example Fl Combined, position 3, 34 draws since a digit repeated. The previous skips 7,3,1,0,34, eve draw 550. I think digit 0 will repeat, statistic wise.

Reply #164

MonEl — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 06:20:27 GMT

Random?

https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/random

https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/learner/random

My own definition of Random :

Statistical probability , maybe for people to better understand I will write:

Statistical chance , but that is not quite right, Statistical probability is as close as right as I can define Random , but to me there is no random there instead is Statistical probability , of course, I might be wrong, but I don... [ More ]

Reply #163

Stack47 — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 04:11:46 GMT

023 eventually hit in Ohio; after over 11,000 misses.

Reply #162

jakesnake — Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:52:35 GMT

they will eventually hit somewhere

jsnake

Reply #161

Stack47 — Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:31:10 GMT

Everybody has a opinion of what random is; everybody uses it; so what happens when people are given the option of defining what they mean by random?

Based on lots of the systems in this forum (especially pick-3 and pick-4 systems), their definitions of random can't apply to drawings. If a system includes adding, subtracting or whatever to specific drawings to create future results, the drawings cannot be random because the results are known decades before.

If it works, you can plan your... [ More ]

Reply #160

ElinaSammy2081 — Sun, 16 Aug 2015 02:42:12 GMT

I wish I was an obfuscator.

Reply #159

garyo1954 — Sat, 15 Aug 2015 23:49:19 GMT

Too lazy to pull up charts. Hopefully it gives an avenue to explore. As a certain poster on this page said: my ob-foo is strong.

On the surface it may appear to be a dumb thread. But a first time reader/guest can visit every forum (and almost any thread) and see the word random. Everybody has a opinion of what random is; everybody uses it; so what happens when people are given the option of defining what they mean by random

Reply #158

RJOh — Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:10:26 GMT

Sorry, but I don't understand how this ongoing discussion is going to help anyone choose winning numbers.

Sometimes it's having a clear understanding of what we don't understand keeps us from going down a road that leads to nowhere. If this thread accomplishes no more than that then it will have been well worth the read.

Reply #157

bobby623 — Sat, 15 Aug 2015 19:52:35 GMT

Sorry, but I don't understand how this ongoing discussion is going to help anyone choose winning numbers.

Lottery officials no doubt at one point decided that the drawing equipment they bought will provide results that are sufficiently

random for lottery play.

Personally, I think the machines are doing a good job.

Random is an interesting topic, but, face it, if the drawing equipment was the same as our government uses to encrypt classified material there

wouldn't be many winners... [ More ]

Reply #156

SergeM — Sat, 15 Aug 2015 17:28:23 GMT

@Garyo

You are a full blooded obfuscator

Reply #155

SergeM — Sat, 15 Aug 2015 17:24:42 GMT

@unpredicatable random

1) For a lottery we have a machine which is the same or a spare one at each drawing.

2) The ball sets may change, but the size and the amount of drawn numbers or balls is the same.

@what doesn't happen

We won't have only 5 numbers drawn for a pick 6.

@what can we think

Eventually due to the balls located at the same place and all constant variables like for example the game size,

wouldn't it be possible that the random mathematics is falling on the nos... [ More ]

Reply #154

RJOh — Sat, 15 Aug 2015 16:56:48 GMT

rojh, stars form patterns

So do random lottery drawings but I wouldn't have any idea of how to take advantage of this even as last night MM drawing repeated a pattern that has happened in 10% of its previous drawings. I'm guessing no one else does either since there wasn't a match5 winner in last night's drawing. It's the only game I've found where one pattern has repeated so often, in other games the most popular patterns repeat less than 5% of the times.

Reply #153

dr san — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 22:51:10 GMT

rojh, stars form patterns (drawing as a matrix) example Alpha Crucis (southern cruise), then the steles can give us indications to view drawings in the matrix of a lottery

Reply #152

RJOh — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 17:40:53 GMT

I kinda figured that after Stack mentioned he was last listed as a guest .

Reply #151

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 17:35:34 GMT

RJ

I think Ronnie got booted.

RL

Reply #150

RJOh — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 17:26:14 GMT

now the problem is how to find these standards ???

Now that you know what the problem is, you can start working on a solution. Good luck.

Reply #149

dr san — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:38:24 GMT

within the limits of each lottery, the natural selection of numbers, it is done through a factor of probability in their positions in a coordinate effect now the problem is how to find these standards

Reply #148

Stack47 — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:29:18 GMT

Cash Ball is 4/33 + 1/31 with a $200,000 fixed jackpot and offers a 50 cent wager to win $100,000.

Reply #147

RJOh — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:10:34 GMT

True but locally I only have 5/39 and 6/49 games and the smaller the matrix, the better. If useful at all it would probably apply best to the 5/39 game.

Reply #146

dr san — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 23:13:01 GMT

Hello, rjoh can use the cycle of numbers then catch the last draw and go

To leave the last number of the lottery, as is size 49/6 60/6 59/6 lottery =

You can see the amount of draw required to end the cycle (out all the numbers and start again, in this cycle, there are numbers that came out several times, while others only once, and another cycle these same numbers that came out more often in the 1st cycle

Will keep coming out several times

Reply #145

RJOh — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 21:37:03 GMT

Didn't realize he went from being a member to being a guest , that explains why he stopped posting. Maybe he had better luck with KY Cash Ball if it's anything like Ohio's Rolling Cash5(5/39) which had all 5 winning numbers in the 15 numbers from the previous four drawings which happened more than 40 times in its history. Jackpots aren't big but if you're just interested in winning then they'll do.

06/19/15 - 13 15 26 27 38

06/18/15 - 05 09 20 26 32

06/17/15 - 13 25 32 36 38

06/16/1... [ More ]

Reply #144

Stack47 — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:53:12 GMT

Ronnie316 is a guest on the members list. He had KY Cash Ball thread that used recently drawn numbers strategy too.

Reply #143

RJOh — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 01:32:11 GMT

My idea of a formula is the QB rating or ERA. Something where you plug in values and boom! It pops out a set of number to play.

That's easy enough to do but just having a set of numbers to play doesn't make the cut unless they have 3 or more of the winning numbers.

Tonight I played 10 lines for OCL and the best I did was a match2. Several times I had a set of numbers that matched the profile that I was looking for but rejected them because all six numbers had hit in the last four or five... [ More ]

Reply #142

garyo1954 — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 19:38:29 GMT

RJOH, yeah Ronnie was the one but I couldn't remember his name.

Tia, I enjoyed working on your Cash5 system. I learned something and liked that it worked. You presented a clear step by step process, not what I would call a formula, although when programming it there was a need to employ formulas to get the actual projection.

My idea of a formula is the QB rating or ERA. Something where you plug in values and boom! It pops out a set of number to play.

Overall my mindset is if it w... [ More ]

Reply #141

RJOh — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 13:47:38 GMT

In a 6/49 game you can get all 6 from the last 10 drawings about 30% of the time

In the local 6/49 game which I track Ohio's Classic Lotto, it's even worst. Of its 1338 drawings only 194 have had all six winning numbers in the previous ten drawings (less than 15%). Even if there was something unique about how those six numbers were drawn from that group you would be losing 85% of the time waiting for that condition to happen. Although the overall odds of winning even the smallest prize of $2... [ More ]

Reply #140

Tialuvslotto — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 11:23:16 GMT

In a 6/49 game you can get all 6 from the last 10 drawings about 30% of the time, but that still leaves you with 40 numbers, or so, to pick from. That's where random comes in -- those numbers are flying around like popcorn in a hot pan!

At best, limiting the pool to skips of less than 10, 15 or any other number is, at best, a first step in picking your numbers. We need many, many more tools in our kit to beat random, even the constrained random presented by the lottery.

Reply #139

SilverLion — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 03:06:28 GMT

Random is as random does.

Reply #138

RJOh — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 03:02:15 GMT

Apparently neither did Ronnie, the originator of the thread Stack linked to. He gave it a shot and stopped posting almost two years ago.

Reply #137

garyo1954 — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 00:51:18 GMT

I remember several thread about using recently drawn numbers to get your next play. I can't related (in my mind) how counting up the hits in the last 15 draws and playing the numbers that hit most equates to a formula.

Bt I'm open to being educated how it does.

Reply #136

RJOh — Sun, 09 Aug 2015 20:08:53 GMT

All five winning numbers being in the previous ten drawings also happened twice in the last four PB drawings. The smaller the number pool the more likely that will happen so PB is going to increase its number pool too.

08/01/15 - 07 13 24 49 57 +15

07/29/15 - 04 22 27 28 52 +35

07/25/15 - 27 29 34 41 44 +02

07/22/15 - 12 31 43 44 57 +11

07/18/15 - 06 37 39 45 55 +33

07/15/15 - 13 16 34 45 50 +11

07/11/15 - 11 39 46 52 54 +03

07/08/15 - 04 15 25 27 30 +18

07/04/15 - 03... [ More ]

Reply #135

RJOh — Sun, 09 Aug 2015 14:52:32 GMT

That's still happening as recent as three months ago.

05/15/15 - 11 17 21 36 74 +15

05/12/15 - 14 30 33 36 44 +02

05/08/15 - 09 21 25 66 72 +07

05/05/15 - 11 21 42 62 71 +07

05/01/15 - 17 18 61 66 74 +03

In fact since the matrix changed 188 drawings ago there were 7 times where all five winning numbers had hit within the previous ten drawings and 40 times that at least four of the winning numbers had hit in the previous 10 drawings.

Reply #134

Stack47 — Sun, 09 Aug 2015 05:05:41 GMT

I don't believe there will ever be a mathematical formula to produce the winning combination.

but a couple of years ago we had an interesting discussion on using recently drawn numbers that produced 5 + 0 MM matches and a jackpot (on paper). It's probably just one of those weird coincidences, but MM changed the matrix shortly afterwards.

Reply #133

RJOh — Sat, 08 Aug 2015 17:24:09 GMT

I've noticed that combinations drawn in Ohio's Classic Lotto(6/49) have done better in past drawings than the combinations I pick so I'm going to start picking combinations that have averaged at least 10 a draw overall in previous drawings while still staying within the parameters I usually use.

Reply #132

RJOh — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 14:25:04 GMT

If you keep updated files of the games you play, you can generate new and updated charts in a couple of seconds with your computer every time you're thinking about playing. I've taken to backing up my programs and lottery files to a flash drive once in a while so if my computer goes out I simple put the drive in another computer, go to a website and update my files from the last back-up and continue. The one time that happened to me I only lost my old play files which I seldom looked at any way.... [ More ]

Reply #131

rcbbuckeye — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:45:58 GMT

I used to keep charts of how many times each number would play in each position, and then I could tell what position each decade of numbers played in each position. I lost all that data when my computer caught a virus. The problem I had with the data is that many times the draws wouldn't cooperate. LOL. Most of the time a single plays in the first position, a teen in the second. Maybe a 20 in the third, etc. Well I would play a format like that and a 20 would play in the second position, and a 4... [ More ]

Reply #130

RJOh — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 11:01:43 GMT

I don't believe there will ever be a mathematical formula to produce the winning combination.

Neither do I, like you I think my best hope is to find a system that reduces my odds of having all the winning numbers in a single line. That could be done by reducing the number pool, limiting particular numbers to unique positions in combinations along with other limiting parameters. Right now I'm looking at which numbers followed numbers in previous drawings which has been looked at by others in... [ More ]

Reply #129

garyo1954 — Thu, 06 Aug 2015 20:46:06 GMT

I'm interesting in finding SOMETHING; a concept, idea, law, principle, whatever you want to call that can be used or coupled with math to produce a reasonable possibility of in some way lowering the odds, evening the playing field, or whatever yuo want to call that.

I don't believe there will ever be a mathematical formula to produce the winning combination. But I do believe math will play a major roll in formulating that process just as it does in researching what the numbers are doing.... [ More ]

Reply #128

RJOh — Thu, 06 Aug 2015 14:42:49 GMT

In the link CARBOB posted, Thoth did a pretty good job of explaining the limitations of benford's law in predicting lottery results. Never the less I thought the distribution their drawing results by the leading digit was interesting.

I didn't remember him but a check of some of his threads showed I responded to some of his posts.

Reply #127

dr san — Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:33:06 GMT

Hello, roll, smaller intervals, eg 10, 20 or sweepstakes?

The problem is how the numbers come out more and less leave

Mathematically may or may not help in predicting when it comes to unique event

Reply #126

RJOh — Thu, 06 Aug 2015 10:41:22 GMT

The leading digits of 3819 Ohio Rolling Cash5(5/39) drawings are distributed in this way:

1 = 1336 35.0 %

2 = 535 14.0 %

3 = 412 10.8 %

4 = 356 9.3 %

5 = 304 8.0 %

6 = 260 6.8 %

7 = 245 6.4 %

8 = 204 5.3 %

9 = 167 4.4

Reply #125

dr san — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 20:43:35 GMT

Hello, rojh, then we can use him to piramede odds

And do not use the 0.1-digit, nor

8.9 but use the center lane 0-9 = 2,3,4,5,6,7, these 6 digits plants

It seems to appear in greater numbers on 49/6 when separated by initial and final digit

Ie the medium or the center of the line 0-9 = the digits 2,3,4,5,6,7, always seem vain

In larger numbers (sums) that 0.1 and 8.9 in lottery

Reply #124

dr san — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 19:46:17 GMT

Note that there are various types of random numbers. If a number drawn eh

randomly in [10,100) (with uniform probability distribution)

then the first digit has the same chance to be 1, 2 or 7, with 1/9 for

each.

Now, the probability distribution of the numbers that appear in various

not random events eh THIS way. If the numbers have a density

probability that the C / x type (where x varies continuously from 1 to 100, say),

then:

a) Integral C / x x = 1 to x = 100 has to 1... [ More ]

Reply #123

dr san — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 19:36:41 GMT

Hello, seems to be a tendency to lower the digits can have higher output, ainde should be balanced, good can can create wheels upon that of 0,1,2,3-digit trend (higher output,, but the average as is

Reply #122

CARBOB — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 19:08:03 GMT

Thanks. here is a link to one of Thoth's post about Benford and the Lottery.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/148025

Reply #121

RJOh — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 18:41:13 GMT

No I don't, I simply record drawings results as they are posted on the websites. Since these results are based on the leading digits, changing the leading digits would probably change the results unless lower numbers are drawn first more often. Besides as dr san points out the benford's law was meant for accounting data not lottery results.

Reply #120

RJOh — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 18:33:45 GMT

I don't have a problem, I simply looked at the results of Ohio's Classic Lotto drawings as I recorded them with the lowest number first and the highest number last and posted the results as compared with the benford's law. Make of the results what you want.

Reply #119

CARBOB — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:50:57 GMT

RJOH,

Do you have the draws in draw order? Would the percentage be the same

Reply #118

dr san — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:28:14 GMT

Hello, RJOH, we have a problem !!!, the law of benford, does not seem to work very well in lotteries Because a given period of sweepstakes, seeks to balance the output of the digits of each number the digits 0 through 9. In lotteries seems be more balanced, that the law of benford, benford the law on accounting data to have very beginning of a series, is different from lotteries. In lotteries there is balance, so we have to look at rates and average, by position, then the average will command

Reply #117

RJOh — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 15:45:56 GMT

Actually I've been looking for something similar to the benford's law concerning the formations of lottery combinations that suggest that certain formations are more likely than than others. I think RL with his lexi program and Jadelottery with his three sum math are looking for something similar.

This wouldn't prove that random isn't so random but that random doesn't eliminate the natural laws of orders.

Reply #116

garyo1954 — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 14:57:31 GMT

Yep RJOH that's what I'm talking about. May do it for the 2Step just to see.

Right now fighting through compilation errors.

Reply #115

RJOh — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 14:22:35 GMT

Using the last 1336 combinations of Ohio Classic Lotto, according to WikipediA the benford's law suggests the leading digits should be distributed in the following way:

Leading Digit Probability

1 30.1%

2 17.6%

3 12.5%

4 9.7%

5 7.9%

6 6.7%

7 5.8%

8 5.1%

9 4.6%

Actually the leading digits of 1336 Ohio Classic Lotto drawings are distributed in this way:

1 = 468 35.0%

2 = 183 13.7%

3 = 133 10.0%

4 = 117 8.8%

5 = 101 7.6%

6 = 105 7.9%

7 = 76 5.7... [ More ]

Reply #114

garyo1954 — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:05:56 GMT

Hoping to have some fairly comprehensive breakdowns this afternoon or this evening to add to that might help explain.

Since Benford has been mentioned, considering another edit to sort the back digits from low to high. May do that yet. First thought says that since there are more combinations that start with 1 than start with 2, and more combinations that start with 2 than start with three, and so on, it should be a given we see more ones.

The only question might be in the percentages.

Reply #113

RJOh — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:04:45 GMT

I had never heard of the benford law until you mentioned it. Everything I've posted have be calculated or from my observations but I may check some of my future observations to see if they follow the benford curve.

Reply #112

dr san — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 18:45:45 GMT

RJOH.By the law of benford can not be used in lotteries

Reply #111

RJOh — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:35:10 GMT

That's like saying the results of flipping a coin are not random because it only has two sides and since you know that you know which side it will land on. Saying it will land on head or tail is not predicting but covering all possible outcomes

I know if you are picking a group of numbers to play in a 6/49 game, you can't just pick any numbers, ,none of the numbers can be higher than 49 and for a 6/49 game the % coverage is:

WHEEL COVERAGE AND PERCENT

LOTTERY POOL SIZE 49

COMBINATIO... [ More ]

Reply #110

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 13:05:59 GMT

Bob

Be interesting but putting it in a format it so that it could be analyzed would be difficult. I posted the results

for a predictor based on the lexie/order in the JP games forum and it broke close to even but mostly due to

a 5of6 hit up front. I still have the predictor and someday I will dig it out and do some more work on it. It was

based on the RAC option that was included with DMP but refined to predict 35 or fewer lines. One of the older

versions of RAC did show several 6... [ More ]

Reply #109

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 12:48:12 GMT

Rj

Your missing the point, for instance, I just picked a series of random numbers in my head. Can you tell me how many

lines it will take to cover all the combinations? I would say no because you do not know the matrix. Once you know

the matrix variables then it can be easily calculated. A lottery drawing mimics a random event but it is not random.

I may be splitting hairs here but it's either random or it's not. My reply was in response to a question posed about

how is random de... [ More ]

Reply #108

CARBOB — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 08:44:54 GMT

Rl,

What if we change our tracking method? Instead of analyzing the draws as drawn, track draw order.

Reply #107

RJOh — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 05:54:56 GMT

We can calculate the probabilities of a lottery game because it's finite. This may sound like I am talking

out of my ass but consider this.

I can predict the winning set 100% of the time for any number game. What I can't do is make a make a

profit playing that way.

Because lottery games have finite number of possible out comes, you can cover them all and know the winning combination will be covered too but that is not predicting an outcome, that's simply saying any one of them coul... [ More ]

Reply #106

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 04:34:17 GMT

Isn't that just saying the same thing in a different way?

Nope!

Lotteries are not random. It may look random, smell like random etc.. but it's really all about order.

We can calculate the probabilities of a lottery game because it's finite. This may sound like I am talking

out of my ass but consider this.

I can predict the winning set 100% of the time for any number game. What I can't do is make a make a

profit playing that way. If the game was random I could not predict it r... [ More ]

Reply #105

RJOh — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 02:18:45 GMT

The numbers are not random, just the order they are drawn.

Isn't that just saying the same thing in a different way? For example a pool of 49 numbers have almost an infinite number of orders they could be drawn.

Reply #104

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 22:02:43 GMT

Stack

Ill give it a shot. To me random as pertaining to the lottery is restricted to the order the numbers are drawn.

This is the only random element of a lottery. The numbers are not random, just the order they are drawn.

RL

Reply #103

RJOh — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:53:46 GMT

Concerning lotteries , I can't recall exactly but it might have been Gail Howard who said What happens most is most likely to happen again and many predictors including myself base their predictions on that theory which seem to go against the definition or random .

Reply #102

garyo1954 — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:48:17 GMT

Pick3 and Pick4 are the only lotteries that meet the criteria of each outcome has an equal chance. Each draw is one number out of a possible 0 - 9 complete ball set (1 in 10 of any number from any individual set.)

However, the three numbers that result from the drawings produce combinations that have different odds. 3 of the same digit only has 10 possibles; two of the same has 270 possibles; 3 different digits have 720 possibles.

Why does pulling one number from three complete 0 - 9 ball... [ More ]

Reply #101

RJOh — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 14:38:21 GMT

Same with me, I accept random is unpredictable but that's no reason to not try predicting the results of the next drawing using information about previous drawings.

I can do no worst than QP's plus I can avoid duplicates and repeats which seldom happens in the games I play. Besides I play jackpot games where being right once is a life time is good enough.

Reply #100

Stack47 — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 05:45:57 GMT

What is random to you?

Where each outcome has an equal chance. Unlike the questionable terminal QP distribution where multiple tickets with the same five numbers could result in a state lottery losing millions of dollars. I'm not presenting a conspiracy theory, just saying it makes more sense not to take the risk.

I've matched 5 out of 6 by wheeling every number in a matrix using each number at least once and did that several times in pick-3 games. A ten line pick-3 wheel using each digit... [ More ]

Reply #99

garyo1954 — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 04:34:53 GMT

Yep. No matter what method you use, there is always things that point in other directions.

Or you see something new that makes you ask, How did I miss that

Reply #98

bobby623 — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 03:17:24 GMT

I have moved on!

It's called Substitution Workout with Gap Strategy.

Doesn't always work because of conflicting clues, but I'm happy with the results.

Reply #97

bobby623 — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 02:53:36 GMT

IMHO #2 - Just about everyone I know is trying to win by analyzing the individual balls and their relationship with other balls, etc.

But, a closer look at the chaos in the mixing vessel will reveal one undeniable fact - no two balls can be in same place at the same time.

There is a space, or Gap, as I like to call it, between the balls.

The size of the gaps between the balls varies with the mixing process, but it always exists.

If one were to stop or freeze the process, the individu... [ More ]

Reply #96

MonEl — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 02:23:39 GMT

There are predictability limits, random or no random.

It might be easier to tell what might not come out, than what will come out.

It also has to do with the make-up of the games, take a look at the past draws and you will see what might be possible and what might not.

But there are so very many possible combinations that maybe nothing will help you to win the jackpot.

But people don't care, when the jackpot is very high they will buy numbers.

Even most people with high powered mi... [ More ]

Reply #95

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 02:21:46 GMT

#1 There is no way to accurately predict the winning set.

#2 Playing smarter will however increase the lower level prizes

and maybe land you a JP.

#3 Winning on a QP = Dumb luck or Divine interaction.

RL

Reply #94

RJOh — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 02:04:13 GMT

I played that combination for seven days on the prediction board and for real and until tonight drawing it had hit one number once but tonight it matched 2 for $1 proving the overall odds of 1:8 of matching two in 5/39 game are good.

That won't show up on the prediction board since winning a dollar playing a 5/39 game isn't given the same importance of winning a dollar playing MM.

There are still two more plays left on that ticket so it could do even better.

Reply #93

garyo1954 — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 01:59:36 GMT

True the balls are bouncing around in the box randomly. Some people have tried to explain the trajectory, the heat/cold around the box, the phase of the moon, magnetic effects, the longitude and latitude of where the draws take place, delineage and rotation of the earth. Not sure what half that is, much less if and how much effect it would have on balls in a box.

As far as luck goes, Gail Howard has made millions selling her SmartLuck programs claiming millions have been won using it.

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Reply #92

rcbbuckeye — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 01:00:56 GMT

Amen bobby.

I get weary with the a-holes who keep saying PB and MM are rigged.

Odds of hundreds of millions to one, and they're rigged??? With odds like those, they don't HAVE to rig them. And forget about predicting, except for blind luck, period.

Reply #91

RJOh — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 00:53:09 GMT

I wish someone would explain how anyone or instrument can watch 75 dumb as dirt balls being manipulated in a single mixing vessel and know

what the final outcome (winning combination) will be.

Sorry, but my brain tells me that it can't be done.

If your brain tells you it can't be done then you should stop wishing someone would explain how it can be done and move on to things your brain tells you can be done.

Reply #90

bobby623 — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 00:02:00 GMT

IMHO, the best way to learn what random is where lotteries are concerned is to view a few actual drawings.

Take Mega Millions, for example.

I wish someone would explain how anyone or instrument can watch 75 dumb as dirt balls being manipulated in a single mixing vessel and know

what the final outcome (winning combination) will be.

Sorry, but my brain tells me that it can't be done.

True, there are folks who visit LP, including some regulars, who claim they know how to do it, but t... [ More ]

Reply #89

RJOh — Sun, 02 Aug 2015 20:26:46 GMT

It seems most members believe that random is unpredictable and some even blame it on what takes place before or after the official drawings. Regardless that is what random is suppose to mean.

When predictors success rates are the same as the overall win rates of the games they predict, it shouldn't be a surprise if you're not comparing apples with bananas. Comparing different predictors success on the prediction board is often like that.

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Reply #88

garyo1954 — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:09:31 GMT

Mon-El, CARBOB.....

You guys are funny!

Went to bed last night wondering if I derailed the thread by giving examples based on 2Step.

I had to reaffirm to myself as long as people are participating, and we have data, and ideas are being tossed around, I don't mind where it goes.

If anybody wants to chime in about their ideas of random, we're here.

Anybody who wants to post about their particular game is welcome. I'd be seven letter word, starts with 'A' to say otherwise since... [ More ]

Reply #87

MonEl — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 13:14:36 GMT

garyo,

Hope I didn't derail your random thread bringing up pre-draws, sorry.

Very sorry, but what is done is already done!

Anyhow, I made a mistake here on this:

I wrote:

Freely predicted winning numbers maybe should in time range from the lowest to the highest combination and

such time might be a lot sooner if pre and post draws are counted, so maybe if what I wrote is right,

It should had been:

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Reply #86

dr san — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 12:40:56 GMT

Hello, we can handle the repetitions and the average of the frequencies in each position

The lottery's randomness, but also has locations where certain numbers are more frequent than other numbers, there seems to be a coordinate effect as a matrix

What is the factor that determines that certain numbers are better in certain positions when viewed in pairs or trios

Reply #85

CARBOB — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 12:35:21 GMT

garyo,

Hope I didn't derail your random thread bringing up pre-draws, sorry.

Reply #84

MonEl — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 04:08:07 GMT

About Pre and Post Draws:

My own opinion is that in mechanical draws, of course, the outcome is determined by the mechanics,

together with the particular make-up of a game.

As chance will have it, because of variations in the mechanical factors in every draw that produce the outcome

(an outcome), in time, sooner or later and really later, there will be a varied range of produced winning numbers,

and many of those winning numbers will fall (drop) on pre and on post draws, so they

Reply #83

garyo1954 — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 03:01:57 GMT

WELP. I WAS WRONG CARBOB.

Any combination that starts with 1 or ends with 35 is already at 100%. If a combo starts with 1 and ends with 35 its over 200%!!!!

Any combination that starts with two followed by a number up to 28 is over a hundred.

Looks like any combination with a starting number between 1 to 15 is sure to be over 100+.

Starting about 19 its close.

But the only way to know where the drop off occurs is to write it and run it.

Reply #82

garyo1954 — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 01:17:47 GMT

It definitely is one definition of what random could be. 0123 is the highest hitter in the matrix with 5400 possibilities (10.31% of the total). The next highest are 0112 and 0122 each with 4050 possibles for a 7.73%.

0012 has 3600 possible for 6.88%.

1123 and 1223 have 2700 (5.16%).

42.97% of all possible combinations have one of those 6 sets for a front digit pattern.

After that no front digit pattern is above 4.64%. It takes the next 13 sets to equal 42.26%.

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Reply #81

garyo1954 — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 00:49:32 GMT

I can make a guess about the reason for being over 100 percent.

1) The percentages are based on pairs in the matrix and the position they fall.

Each pair has 528 possible way to hit. Pair1,2 can only hit in the 1 2 position. Pair 2,3 hits 496 times in the 1 2 position, and 32 times in the 2 3 position. Pair 3,4 hits 465 times in positions 1 2, 62 times in positions 2 3 and once in position 3 4.

When you take the percentage of where each set of pairs fall, you are working with overlap wi... [ More ]

Reply #80

rcbbuckeye — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 00:13:23 GMT

0123 hasn't hit in a live draw since April, yet being the top hitter, it's still been out over 3 months. Maybe that's random at work?

I don't know why Texas has all the pre draws that they do, but I never really got too interested in them. I always felt the official draw was the one that really counted.

Reply #79

dr san — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 21:42:26 GMT

ok CARBOB, perfect, conglatulition thank you

Reply #78

CARBOB — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 21:30:09 GMT

In Florida Cash 3, they conduct 5 or 6 pre-draws before the official draw. They also conduct post-draw tests. They do not publish those draws. If Texas can show there's, why not Florida

Reply #77

dr san — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 21:23:19 GMT

Carbor, sorry, which means pre-tests?

Would simulations

Reply #76

eddessaknight — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 21:00:14 GMT

Hi CARBOB, Gary, et al,

Always have agreed with you and our late but outstanding Ricky G. and Jack Gillen

Randomises is an illusion ~Dr Carl Jung, eminentSwiss Analyst

SIDE BAR: Ricky once wrote me saying my non-random racing projections on the gaming forum had shown the only positive ROI records and were not past posted.

You can observe a lot just by watching.

~Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

All things can be represented by alfa-numeric symbols including curv... [ More ]

Reply #75

CARBOB — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 20:30:38 GMT

I don't understand why you would have over 100%. Before G-Tech, there was never any talk about pre-draws. Then they mentioned pre-draws, this was some time after the mid draws began. My thinking is pick the ball set, load the machine, turn it on and do the draw.

How many draws, does the 2-step have? I think Skyline plays that game.