Who plays more, who loses more?

Reply #98

Stack47 — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:33:54 GMT

About the same relevance as a curve ball.

Reply #97

garyo1954 — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 04:10:50 GMT

What do predictions do regarding who plays more

Reply #96

Coin Toss — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 03:59:46 GMT

If you can't see what your predictions do regarding who plays more there's no sense talking to you.

Reply #95

Stack47 — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 03:43:00 GMT

As for SP players not playing more or losing more, Silver Lion started talking about your prediction stats.

I'd suggest you re-read what Lion posted, but that's probably useless because it isn't that complicated and should be easy to understand the first time you read it.

Are you telling us you actually play all your predictions?

Looks like you're having a problem remembering what you posted just yesterday. Did you already forget you said I don't put words in other people's mouths.... [ More ]

Reply #94

Coin Toss — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 00:09:18 GMT

Of course one store doesn't have thousands of players. I never said that.

As for SP players not playing more or losing more, Silver Lion started talking about your prediction stats.

Whoop tee do, predictions not played are losers. But the volume of your predictions can be pretty convincing about who plays more.

Are you telling us you actually play all your predictions?

You either do or you don't, the smart money says you don't (be a real neat trick to have all those slips... [ More ]

Reply #93

Stack47 — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:19:15 GMT

I don't jump to conclusions and make assumptions in vain attempts to make myself to appear to be right.

Why isn't as for predictions (which I seriously doubt are live play) jumping to conclusions or making assumptions

Reply #92

Stack47 — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:54:19 GMT

I don't jump to conclusions and make assumptions in vain attempts to make myself to appear to be right.

Does that mean your store really has thousands of people calling out MM and PB numbers; so many in fact it raises the PB average of 30% or less in sales to higer than QPs?

I don't look for threads just to criticize them.

When you post something wrong you should be criticized. At least four LP members told you why you are wrong about SP players losing more in this thread alone. Just... [ More ]

Reply #91

Coin Toss — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 21:01:11 GMT

Your attempted slurs only prove you have no originality and as for predictions (which I seriously doubt are live play) that only goes to show who (would if they could) play more.

On the home Prediction page I see a dartboard and a dart, not a dartboard and a shotgun.

Reply #90

SilverLion — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 13:52:48 GMT

Good luck in your fantasy world

Stack you statistical obsessive clod and buffoon! You need to come back to reality! Statistics in lottery proves nothing! When I look at the prediction stats, dont

you know that your name at the top of the list is just an illusion? Its like staring at the looking glass!

You think you can win the lottery with just the usual help of statisitcs, a lottery fairy and a lottery genie? Of course not!

Stop being a sleaze ball lottery tout! Everybody knows the

Reply #89

Coin Toss — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 04:39:30 GMT

I posed a question for discussion.

I don't put words in other people's mouths.

I don't jump to conclusions and make assumptions in vain attempts to make myself to appear to be right.

I don't look for threads just to criticize them.

Et vous

Reply #88

Stack47 — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 04:36:07 GMT

If you can't see the comparison to your obsessive demand for 'statistical data' and the curve ball it's useless trying to talk to you.

Are you going to say more batters strike out on curve balls than fast balls?

Good luck in your fantasy world where you must have the last word no matter how erroneous it is.

Let's say the Lottery Fairie or a genie granted you a wish but there's a condition.

And you say I live in a fantasy world.

Reply #87

Stack47 — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 04:28:50 GMT

Without a written ticket, a person could say the clerk put in a wrong number and he/she doesn't want that ticket.

Especially considering tickets can't be cancelled.

Reply #86

Coin Toss — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 04:17:31 GMT

Stack,

There you go jumping to conclusions again. I never said the one store represented all stores.

If you can't see the comparison to your obsessive demand for 'statistical data' and the curve ball it's useless trying to talk to you.

Good luck in your fantasy world where you must have the last word no matter how erroneous it is.

Reply #85

Stack47 — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 03:39:57 GMT

CT thinks ticket sales in one store represents sales in his state and the thousands of stores in the other 43 states/jurisdictions. And don't let the fact 65% of all MM combos won't match even one number or a bonus number get in the way of his illogical arguments.

Only he knows the relevance of a baseball pitch to lottery ticket sales.

Reply #84

garyo1954 — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 02:39:19 GMT

If $17,571,695 on last night power ball and 70% (as stated is true) then 12,300,186 QPs dollars were spent, while 5,271,509 went to SPs.

One store is not an indicator of what is happening overall. Put a poll on LP asking for a head count who plays QPs, SP, and who plays both. And what games they play.

I have seen Pick3 and Pick4 players try to get the clerk to put their number in the machine, but they don't play near the QPs of jackpot players. And jackpot players are secretive about their... [ More ]

Reply #83

Stack47 — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 01:23:53 GMT

Let's say 100 people play at the same place. 70 of them buy $1 QPs.

I was correct, you don't have the mathematical background to understand how ticket sales percentages applies to win and loss percentages. Ticket sales are the number of tickets sold and not the number of players who bought them. For last nights PB drawing 17,571,695 tickets were sold and I can't find the break down of QPs and SPs anywhere. It probably because only you and a tiny few others believe there is any relevance of 7... [ More ]

Reply #82

p4wanbi — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 00:39:43 GMT

You guys are funny...how can you proof such thing about lotteries. Some really be lucky to make out even. Lets just keep it civil and diplomatic about playing the lottery. This question contradicts itself to begin with.

Reply #81

Lucky Loser — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 00:15:26 GMT

I can't believe that this is still even a relevant conversation, or, comparison. This study has already been discussed and proven, with merit, in the following thread link beginning on Page #8:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/276724/8

In that study, clear profit was made and only $13.50 per draw was being spent to do it. I'm really baffled at how all these statistics are constantly being factored in when they are, in fact, very misleading and the list of combos in question was tail... [ More ]

Reply #80

Coin Toss — Sun, 09 Aug 2015 22:59:37 GMT

Twenty different sets of numbers.

Reply #79

SilverLion — Sun, 09 Aug 2015 20:37:15 GMT

Then one person with a system (good at tracking and with magnificent self perceived mathematical skills) plays 20 $1 tickets.

Are you saying they played the same line twenty times?

If a system player thought they had a magnificent and deluded self perceived mathematical skill, then wouldn't it be better for that person to play a twenty dollar balanced wheel instead of 20 $1 tickets?

A better question might be, who plays more, who loses more?

A Twenty dollar quick pick player or a sys... [ More ]

Reply #78

Coin Toss — Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:15:38 GMT

Let's say 100 people play at the same place. 70 of them buy $1 QPs.

Then one person with a system (good at tracking and with magnificent self perceived mathematical skills) plays 20 $1 tickets.

They all lose.

This is just an example.

Who played more and who lost more? Times thousands of stores, ad nauseam.

If you want to reply every time with a bush league attempt at an insult you're only revealing yourself to be a real clod.

A curve ball actually curves... [ More ]

Reply #77

Stack47 — Sun, 09 Aug 2015 03:39:45 GMT

You're the one pretending that everything is as you think it is.

Look, you showed the 70% to 80% quote several times, but apparently don't have the mathematical background to understand how ticket sales percentages applies to win and loss percentages. Oh and I would pass by thousands of other stores where intelligent clerks tell SP players to fill out play slips.

Like I asked before, do you have any actual statistical evidence that SP players even spend and lose the same as QP players... [ More ]

Reply #76

Coin Toss — Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:12:00 GMT

Stack,

Probably two players out of 100 want to call out their numbers and you're pretending it's a huge number.

You sure do make a lot of assumptions and jump to conclusions Stack. If you would have visited the lottery counter in that store before they put the sign up you'd realize what a ridiculous assumption that is.

You're the one pretending that everything is as you think it is.

Reply #75

SilverLion — Sat, 08 Aug 2015 11:28:01 GMT

You should ask your imaginary friend the lottery fairy because that question is just as silly as the first one.

Reply #74

Stack47 — Sat, 08 Aug 2015 05:26:15 GMT

Who do you think plays more tickets (lines), people playing quick picks or self picks?

Considering how many times you quoted the PB FAQ, that a very silly question.

Who do you think loses more, money wise? Consider that most tickets are losers.

You should ask your imaginary friend the lottery fairy because that question is just as silly as the first one.

The clerks where I usually play got tired of people calling out their numbers to them so put a sign up IF YOU'RE PLAYING MORE T... [ More ]

Reply #73

Coin Toss — Sat, 08 Aug 2015 02:44:10 GMT

Stack,

Does the topic title 'Who plays more, who loses more?' somehow imply to you that a conclusion has been reached? Or the OP:

Who do you think plays more tickets (lines), people playing quick picks or self picks?

(Keep it to jackpot games)

Who do you think loses more, money wise? Consider that most tickets are losers.

I'm not asking you to do any of 'my homework'. You're the one wanting to know statistics on this that and the other.

The clerks where I usua... [ More ]

Reply #72

Stack47 — Sat, 08 Aug 2015 02:15:08 GMT

There are five or six clerks working in that store, each with a different perception depending on which time a day they work. That's one store out of thousands in the state so now multiply that by the total number of lottery retailers in all 44 PB and MM states and jurisdictions. It's your topic, I ask if you have any real statistics and instead of saying NO you expect me to do your homework.

Reply #71

Coin Toss — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 23:38:50 GMT

Stack,

For starters maybe ask a clerk who runs your tickets what the most common ticket amount is for a jp draw game, and what kind of ticket - QP or not.

Reply #70

RJOh — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 14:04:22 GMT

I have read posts of QP players who said they prefer to play at stores that are known to sell a lot of winners or at a particular time or day.

Reply #69

Coin Toss — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:40:02 GMT

garyo1954,

Good points!

Stack,

Read Garyo's post below yours.

All,

Sometime in the future we will see ads for a book about wheeling quick picks

Reply #68

SilverLion — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 10:53:19 GMT

Perhaps she requested through FOI?

Seems like this info could be put in a savagegoose type file.

Seems likes she is just playing telephone though.

To claim that playing QP is the solution to winning the lottery seems deceptive to this cat.

Reply #67

garyo1954 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 09:49:28 GMT

CT, that's an interesting point.

Except QP'ers don't have much to talk about.

Wheelers ask about the best wheel, best type of wheel, how many numbers to play.

Then there is the systems players who are talking about how to win spending the least possible amount.

What questions would QP'ers have to discuss?

What's the best QP to play?

How many QPs should I buy?

Where do you buy your QPs?

Do your QPs ever win?

There is not much that discuss about QPs. It a very limited to... [ More ]

Reply #66

Stack47 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 06:05:49 GMT

Seriously, do you have any statistics proving who plays more or who wins more

Reply #65

Coin Toss — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 04:55:12 GMT

savagegoose,

Sorry if I took too much of a liberty with posting about your stats, was just trying to prove a point.

Reply #64

savagegoose — Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:41:31 GMT

if you can get google spreadsheets, this is the actual break down. ea lotto ea dollar spent and won. i just do the yearly, and monthly for the sig line.

The spreadsheet has monthly breakdowns, % returns etc and color coded for the day i end with %100+ return.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IBn_yfUDElWEtHDhmfyp6RnX5_U-vPwE2o1aNJEXaUA/edit#gid=145474285

not sure its set to strangers messing with the numbers, i dont like that but 2015 is this years stats in complete format... [ More ]

Reply #63

Stack47 — Thu, 06 Aug 2015 04:08:49 GMT

Take a look at savagegoose's 'sig' to see someone who really knows how to track what he's in.

That's a yearly running total and you said In lotteries, relative to the buy in would be for a particular draw. And it looks like you have no clue of what you're talking about.

Your topic is like asking if Craps players play the pass line or the don't pass line more and who loses more. In math the side with the most bets has the most wins and losses. A couple posters said they had better luck wit... [ More ]

Reply #62

Coin Toss — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:37:58 GMT

Whatever you say Stack, I'll let you have the (erroneous) last word once again.

Take a look at savagegoose's 'sig' to see someone who really knows how to track what he's in.

I am surprised that in your vast gambling knowledge you've never hear things like:

I'm in $300.

I'm stuck $500.

I didn't know if I wanted to invest anymore money in the pot.

Reply #61

Stack47 — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:11:25 GMT

Whatever you're in he game for... how much you spend on a draw.....

I didn't know most LP members and lottery players in general say I'm in the game for $2, $5, $10, or whatever . Not many jackpot winners say how much they spent when they won their jackpot either. And it's none of our business how much other players spend on tickets or as you say, buy into the game .

Reply #60

Coin Toss — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 03:22:56 GMT

Whatever you're in he game for... how much you spend on a draw.....

Odd that you would go off on diatribes about 'relative to the buy in' and then ask what's a lottery buy in.

Reply #59

Stack47 — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 02:32:55 GMT

What is a lottery buy in

Reply #58

Stack47 — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 02:29:21 GMT

That's the statistics, yeah, but what you're not saying is this, you cannot assume those stats will hold up for every player.

Which part of About 70% to 80% of purchases are computer picks is still confusing you? While it's satire, almost everyone knowledgeable agrees at least 70% of PB and MM ticket purchases are QPs.

Ten 75 ticket QP MM players could win nothing, same for ten SP players

It's obvious About 70% to 80% of winners are computer picks. is still confusing you too. About 3... [ More ]

Reply #57

Coin Toss — Tue, 04 Aug 2015 00:34:38 GMT

Stack47,

In lotteries, relative to the buy in would be for a particular draw. Sounds like you're trying to alter the term to fit you conception of it.

Pass line and full odds and two come bets on a number and full odds and another come bet is considered the hardest player to beat, but a place bettor will make more money, they get paid as soon as the number hits, they don't have to wait for it to repeat. On a monster roll a place bettor that presses or power presses will really make m... [ More ]

Reply #56

garyo1954 — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:53:26 GMT

I agree with stack.

There is no proof that SP'ers play more per person than QP'ers. That's the fatal flaw.

So what if Aunt Mae spend $2 on QP, while Peter Parker spend $8 on SPs?

Batman dropped $50 on QPs, Robin spent $3 on SPs.

Wonder Woman's pool played $500 on QPs paid for with cash and past winning.

Iron Man's pool only afford $200 on SPs.

Do you think if Aunt Mae wins she's worried about Batman's loss?

Do you think she's going to tell Iron Man, I won and you spent 100 t... [ More ]

Reply #55

Stack47 — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:17:31 GMT

Two people can spend different amounts on the same game while looking for the same payout/prize.

I was on a Craps table betting $5 line bets with double odds and two $5 Come bets with double odds and a player next to me was betting exactly the same way, but his bets were $500. When we both quit, his winnings (or losses) were 100 times more than mine.

Coin Toss' example could be changed to a one ticket buying SP player winning the same jackpot as a 25 ticket buying QP player. If I buy 25 t... [ More ]

Reply #54

Coin Toss — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:06:37 GMT

Thanks, Edessa.

Stack47,

You share

Statistics say a 75 ticket QP MM player should have five winning tickets and the SP player one or two. The winners should be two $2 and the rest $1. It's possible 1 QP or 50 SP tickets could win $500, but the odds against one ticket winning $500 are 52,835 to 1. There are lots of Pick-5 wheels $50 and under self pick players can choose from where the odds against are the odds of them matching enough numbers.

That's the statistics, yeah, but... [ More ]

Reply #53

eddessaknight — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:03:53 GMT

Sorry Coin for carpal inspired typo on star button, agree or not you really should have 5 STARS ***** for all your shared relevant gaming insights!

Best Wishes,

Eddessa_Knight

Reply #52

Stack47 — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 20:09:35 GMT

The buy in for QPs is 70% to 80% of ticket sales and according to the PB FAQ you keep quoting, winning tickets are the same proportion.

Joe buys one ticket for a Pick 5 game and wins a jackpot of $300,000. Bill buys $25 worth of tickets for a Pick 5 game and wins $300,000.

Joe won a heck of a lot more RELATIVE TO THE BUY IN.

LMAO @ $24 being a heck of a lot more . The first imaginary guy spent a buck and won $299,999 and the second spent $25 and won $299,975. Winning 0.008% more isn't... [ More ]

Reply #51

Lucky Loser — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 16:20:38 GMT

Another and more simpler way of discussing this is through profit. Two people can spend different amounts on the same game while looking for the same payout/prize. Of course, whoever spends less will turn more profit but, my question would be if the person that spent less can DUPLICATE that win again with that same amount and this holds true with the small games in a big way. In the first example above, a Pick 5 win of that amount would render the $24 difference in cost EXTREMELY NEGLIGIBLE 'cau... [ More ]

Reply #50

Coin Toss — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 05:18:39 GMT

Stack,

You really don't understand what relative to the buy in means.

Joe buys one ticket for a Pick 5 game and wins a jackpot of $300,000.

Bill buys $25 worth of tickets for a Pick 5 game and wins $300,000.

Joe won a heck of a lot more RELATIVE TO THE BUY IN.

Or try two players bet on horde races. One spent $30 on the day and left the track with $1600.

The other spent $10,000 and walked with $10,600.

The guy who spent $30 won a lot more relative to the... [ More ]

Reply #49

Stack47 — Mon, 03 Aug 2015 03:39:50 GMT

Let's just say 75% of ticket sales and prize winners are QPs and make it easier to explain. It means for every $25 spent on self picks, $75 is spent on QPs whether or not 75 players buy one ticket or one player buys 75. Your relative to buy-in is comparing apples to oranges unless you're comparing one QP player purchasing 75 tickets to one SP player purchasing 25.

For 'relative to the buy in', let's say there were two winners who won $500 each. One of them had played $1 and the other had pla... [ More ]

Reply #48

RJOh — Sun, 02 Aug 2015 16:43:38 GMT

The return you can expect on money spent on a lottery ticket depends on the game design.

PB has a 1:31.8 overall win rate which with it's lowest prize of $4 amounts to $ 0.126 per $2 ticket or 3.1 %.

MM has a 1:14.7 overall win rate which with it's lowest prize of $1 amounts to $ 0.068 per $1 ticket or 6.8 %.

On the other hand a game like Texas's *A or N has a 1:4.5 overall win rate which with it's lowest prize of $2 amounts to $ 0.444 per $2 ticket or 22.2 % but it's top prize is only... [ More ]

Reply #47

Crazy Wombat — Sun, 02 Aug 2015 11:10:38 GMT

This story means nothing for SPs or QPs ... maybe just being lucky ... maybe finally just being on the right ship or dock !!!

She played both that night ... covering all the bases I guess. It could have went either way.

It can only be luck in the end ... some people seem to have more of it than others. Skill can't be involved when you have such fantastic odds trying to win a large jackpot amount.

If you remember the young woman from MI who won a MM jackpot in June 2014 ... first it was... [ More ]

Reply #46

sully16 — Sun, 02 Aug 2015 10:49:17 GMT

I play both, I think qp's win more.

Reply #45

savagegoose — Sun, 02 Aug 2015 08:26:05 GMT

i play some games here in oz in a share arrangement with an american buddy, we play the same amount on our local games and go halves in the winnings. his american powerball/ mega millions ; and my aussie oz lotto and power ball both return %10 of the money bet so far.

Reply #44

Coin Toss — Sun, 02 Aug 2015 04:45:54 GMT

Most here probably don't remember Casey Stengel, managed the Yankees. One of the things he was famous for saying was, Go with the percentages.

Reply #43

garyo1954 — Sun, 02 Aug 2015 00:23:24 GMT

Making up numbers doesn't change the fact QPs lose more than SPs.

People who play SPs buy QPs too. So you can't separate the whole bunch and say Qp'ers vs Sp'ers.

What you can do is say if 70% are Qps and 30% are Sps, then more than twice as much is lost on Qps as Sps.

Having seen people spend $20 to $50 on Qps, any thoughts that Qp'ers only spend $1 is laughable. If anything the Sp'ers are more money conscience.

That doesn't exclude the possibility that some might play just $1 on Qp... [ More ]

Reply #42

Coin Toss — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 23:02:29 GMT

Stack47,

Assuming we're talking $1 per ticket, the QP players each lost $1, the self pick player lost $5.

For 'relative to the buy in', let's say there were two winners who won $500 each. One of them had played $1 and the other had played $50, now who won more, RELATIVE TO THE BUY IN.

For the gist of this thread (silly me, or so I thought) someone would mention that someone stops for gas, chips, etc...and the clerk says, Want to play tonight's lotto? , so they spend a buck on a... [ More ]

Reply #41

pickone4me — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 22:58:44 GMT

Keep in mind it applies to you too.

Reply #40

Stack47 — Sat, 01 Aug 2015 22:47:13 GMT

In other words, who loses more relative to the buy in?

In Friday's drawing, 15,604,534 million MM tickets were sold and assuming about 70% to 80% of those tickets were QPs, between 11 million and 12.5 million were QPs. There were 1,061,051 winning tickets sold (6.8% of the sales) and again assuming 70% to 80% of the winners were QPs 200K to 300K were self picks.

Without any exact sales figures of actual number of QPs and the exact number of QPs winners, it's impossible to determine relati... [ More ]

Reply #39

Coin Toss — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 21:33:08 GMT

savagegoose,

No problem, I know the star wasn't for spite.

Reply #38

RJOh — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 21:10:25 GMT

In Ohio and I suppose in other states too you can replay and old ticket so an old ticket that was a QP is a Self Pick the second time around but a Self Pick is always a Self Pick no matter how quickly it goes around.

Reply #37

JADELottery — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 19:53:24 GMT

How quick pick does a self pick, pick, if a self pick could quick picks

Reply #36

CDanaT — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 19:52:48 GMT

Gotta beeeeeee.....the QP

Reply #35

RJOh — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 19:44:17 GMT

If hard to win 20% of the cost on either PB or MM without winning a decent prize and that's seldom done by premium members with 50 picks but good luck.

Reply #34

savagegoose — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 19:18:14 GMT

ok challenge accepted. ill make some predictions using my 10 free per draw on mega and powerball,. for 7 draws using my ea number only once method

Reply #33

savagegoose — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 18:45:05 GMT

ooops

i thought i clicked 4* i never usually rate any posts. so sorry coin toss. but 1 is more than i usually give! how can i edit it?

but your conclusion is based on a false premise based on no data i think its called post hoc. or this comes after this so it must be the cause.

but my bumbling clicking was the cause. i except my numbers my fault.

ALTHOUGH !

my flat mate has agreed to tell me his bets and winnings for the next several months maybe a year, and he alw... [ More ]

Reply #32

rentappredictor — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 09:51:16 GMT

So you were born in 42?

You are pretty old RJOH!!

Now tell me 42 b.c or a.c

Reply #31

RedStang — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 05:45:25 GMT

I'll say QPs for both ? since it's fast and that's what most pools choose, but I've seen players fill out more lines on slips for MM then PB probably because of the cost.

Reply #30

noise-gate — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 05:37:05 GMT

Whose

Reply #29

Coin Toss — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 05:12:53 GMT

tinkitty,

You post:

Coin Toss. You first called me a tout.

Then you called me a sleaze ball.

I am not a smart man, but I feel that you are treading on the abusive.

You need to re-read the rules. You can be sent to the black hole land of no avatar for that type of behaviour.

You need to get off your high horse.

After asking others to give a thread a 1-star rating. Who is on a high horse?

Aw, you're offended - GASP

The world doesn't revolve... [ More ]

Reply #28

dr65 — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:58:02 GMT

Didn't matter which I choose, they lose or win a couple bucks. I rarely play jp games

and if I do, it's while in line when the jp is high. I might ask for 5/10 lines and rarely

fill in a slip. I don't track numbers or have a constant set of numbers. I've won the

bonus ball number sometimes but it seems when a slip/thought is involved, I win

nothing lol. My -off the top of my head numbers- stink.

I prefer qp's and believe, for me, it's a better choice if I'm playing.... [ More ]

Reply #27

rcbbuckeye — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:47:07 GMT

The LOA says your chance of winning with a QP is very small .

Tell that to the Michigan guy that won the lotto with a QP. Bought 5 lines. Last line was the winner.

Nothing wrong with picking your own numbers, but the odds don't change either way.

Reply #26

SilverLion — Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:37:10 GMT

It just means to beat TA

What does beat to T and A mean?

You are not referring to the same T and A that I always beat to is it?

On a more serious note, Fractal math, didn't even exist when I was in school. How can I benefit or even understand something that was never taught to me.

Ok fractal math was used to do the CGI for the third STAR TREK movie. They never used it to predict.

The average.

How many lottery programs even discuss the idea of average

LOA.

The LOA says... [ More ]

Reply #25

Coin Toss — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 22:56:23 GMT

rcbuckeye,

Thanks for the comment and the info.

/////////////

All,

There were or maybe still are some people here who are clerks at stores that sell tickets. Any insight on the most common purchase

Reply #24

rentappredictor — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:35:10 GMT

I suppose you are not very familiar with randomness.

You should know randomness does not match with regularity. That is why in order to predict we must use fractal maths, not euclidian or gaussian. So, the last thing we should expect from a predictive system is regular income. That would be contradictory because randomness cannot produce regular income otherwise it would not be randomness.

However, in the medium and long term the situation is different. The time reduces volatility and give... [ More ]

Reply #23

Coin Toss — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:18:31 GMT

Stack47,

As noise-gate pointed out, some here seem to be in denial about how many QPs are played.

Some people think that everyone else plays like they do.

But for the purpose of this thread, let's say I'm a $2 MM player, always play one line and the Megaplier.

Let's also say that you or someone else who put hours into theories, tracking past results, etc. picks your own numbers and plays $10 a draw, a lot more if the JP is pumped up.

Neither one of us wins a thing.... [ More ]

Reply #22

noise-gate — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:02:10 GMT

I'm wondering why the poster who copied and pasted the FAQ multiple times is asking which group buys more tickets

...because Common Sense is Not common. Some people need to be told the same thing over and over again in order for the message to penetrate. l will bet you soup for nuts Stack that if you had a noticeable Red Button attached to your living room wall with a sign that read Please do not push under any circumstances and you invited folks over to your home, how many people do you thin... [ More ]

Reply #21

Stack47 — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:35:16 GMT

and I'm wondering why the poster who copied and pasted the FAQ multiple times is asking which group buys more tickets. Maybe somebody will explain to them that 51% of something is more than 49% and because only 20% to 30% of all ticket sales are self picks, QPs play more and lose more.

Reply #20

rcbbuckeye — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:44:48 GMT

Used to be I had all kinds of charts, then my computer caught a virus and went to the great server in the sky, along with my files.

Anymore I usually just buy 1 QP for each jackpot game, though today I bought 2 lines for Saturday's lotto draw. One QP, the other a SP.

For the pool at work, I've gotten pretty lazy and I now usually buy QP's. Every now and then I'll take time and pick out numbers to play (it's always MM or PB).

I guess with the crazy odds these games have, I'm just taking... [ More ]

Reply #19

mikeintexas — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:29:12 GMT

Same here. Snark can be funny at times, but in this case it seemed uncalled for. Then again, maybe Silverlion is just p.o.'d about Cecil.

Reply #18

rcbbuckeye — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:20:18 GMT

I never go around rating posts, but I did rate this one 5 stars just because Silverlion was so snarky about rating 1 star. And, it's a good topic.

Reply #17

RJOh — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:38:12 GMT

When I play birthday numbers I included the year. Since I'm fairly old that only gets me up to 42 but younger people could go all the way to 97.

Reply #16

RJOh — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:32:39 GMT

If your returns are anything like your predictions stats, then you're doing even worst.

Reply #15

rentappredictor — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:26:10 GMT

It is not difficult to explain that fact: computer play randomly; people not.

Viciously people use to pick numbers below 31, because birthday dates.

This means that computers get the expected hits for a given amount of numbers which is called theoretical average (TA) but people stay below that reference because that strange addiction related with birthdays.

So, computer are not getting more money (they get the expected money according maths); are the people who are getting less p... [ More ]

Reply #14

noise-gate — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:15:05 GMT

Gee savagegoose , do l understand you correctly that you gave this thread One Star rating because your return on your investment is pretty bad and that your own numbers really suck?. How is that Coin's fault

Reply #13

zinniagirl — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:09:04 GMT

Hey Silverlion,

thank you for reminding me to rate this thread! Almost forget to give it a 5 star salute!

Savagegoose, my return is 19% this year....

Reply #12

savagegoose — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 03:54:38 GMT

I cant say who pays more, or wins more. just that last yeare i had an average return of %32, and so far this years its tracking along at $22%.

meaning for every $100 I bet, I get back $22 in wins, and $32 last years.

oh and i play my own numbers, hehe usually the same one unless they really suck, then i might change them.

Reply #11

Coin Toss — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 02:39:38 GMT

I didn't post the stat from the MUSL this time, Einstein.

I also don't spell Illinois like you do.

Making 1-star ratings is one thing, asking others to can get you sent to the land of no avatar.

You only proved yourself to be a low rent, bush league sleaze ball.

Reply #10

SilverLion — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 02:28:07 GMT

Ok. You win.

MUSL does no wrong. They dont lie. They are incorruptible.

There website is the word of god.

Unless they work in Illonois.

They know the odds.

They know nobody can win.

But they change the matrix anyway.

We need some more one stars here. Cmon people

Reply #9

Coin Toss — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 02:26:11 GMT

I'm thinking a little differently. I'd say that the mot common QP ticket is one line, but those that like to pick their own numbers are more likely to play more than one line.

So in volume of tickets sold, as the websites tell us 70 -80% are quick picks, but as for money made by the lottery per individual ticket I'm thinking self picks. Of course the lotteries love both methods of play and just count the $$$$ coming in.

To SilverLion,

It's no great surprise that you are part of... [ More ]

Reply #8

maringoman — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 02:16:59 GMT

This is directly from the powerball website FAQ section

WHICH HAS THE BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING: COMPUTER PICKS OR PLAYER PICKS?

About 70% to 80% of purchases are computer picks. About 70% to80% of winners are computer picks. Perhaps just one of those weird coincidences

Reply #7

SilverLion — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 02:00:00 GMT

Did you not know that the media is a Wh**e?

Do you believe everything you hear in the media

Reply #6

zinniagirl — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 01:51:12 GMT

My observation in line, is that most people play qp. I play one set that i picked years ago. I have a second set that I play obce in a while that was initially a quick pick. So is it a qp or a chosen number... I hVe won larger prizes on my self pick, won more often with qp.

Reply #5

noise-gate — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 01:35:41 GMT

QP's no doubt. Some people are not capable of picking their own numbers, they want machines to do everything for them. So yeah- Quick Picks.

Reply #4

bigbear29 — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 01:21:13 GMT

I think people who play quick picks loose more. My thought is that people who play their own numbers may study the, say powerball numbers week after week, year after year to come up a feel good set of numbers. They may not win big, but I think they may get some of there money back.

Reply #3

maringoman — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 01:15:41 GMT

According to the media, 70% of tickets bought in most draws are quick picks. The qp crowd wins hands down. If they play more then it makes sense that they win/lose more.

Reply #2

noise-gate — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 01:08:48 GMT

These words ring true Eternal..

Reply #1

destinycreation — Wed, 29 Jul 2015 23:50:58 GMT

I think people play more QP, and probably lose more $$ playing QP, in a Jackpot game.

Who plays more, who loses more?

Coin Toss — Wed, 29 Jul 2015 23:08:06 GMT

Who do you think plays more tickets (lines), people playing quick picks or self picks?

(Keep it to jackpot games)

Who do you think loses more, money wise? Consider that most tickets are losers.