Are we throwing away our money by trying to beat an RNG?

Reply #17

MzDuffleBaglady — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 03:20:35 GMT

Missouri, RNG.

I've had it. With this new conversion, the pay outs stay low, let's me know, The House is winning big.

I'm done.

Good Luck.

Reply #16

noise-gate — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 03:15:46 GMT

The scene in the Goonies where Mouth beneath the wishing well says..

Mouth: Yeah, but you know what? This one, this one right here. This was my dream, my wish. And it didn t come true. So I m taking it back. I m taking them all back.

**** Unfortunately, when we play : we cant take it back. We just have to live with it- Own pick or RNG.

Reply #15

dddwww — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:14:48 GMT

Good analysis

Anybody who realized that repeated numbers had been disallowed could bet on the numbers in the smaller set of possible results.

True but in that case the error wasn't sufficient to overcome the house odds (pool of possible 3 digit numbers reduced from 1000 to 720). And people who picked random numbers, not aware of the flaw, would, over the long run, lose the same amount of money.

Reply #14

KY Floyd — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:44:04 GMT

It collided with reality.

As near as I can tell there are exactly two possibilities with RNG's. Either they're just as good as ball drawings for picking completely random numbers or they're not as good at picking random numbers. There are then two possibilities for the results you get with that plan you think is useful:

The drawings are completely random, and since you can't predict the individual results of random events your plan offers no advantages. Any apparent success is really just... [ More ]

Reply #13

dddwww — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:11:05 GMT

I completely agree that the black box approach to picking numbers is a poor one for transparency. There is not only a recent history of manipulation but also an awareness that it could be done in a way that would be difficult to detect.

The good news is that people who rig them are trying to make a particular number or set of numbers appear and not to prevent people from winning (the house edge and obviousness if win rates over large numbers of tickets aren't close to expected values make it... [ More ]

Reply #12

dddwww — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 19:36:29 GMT

Let's take a look at the Illinois Lotto.

You say They changed over to rng in October and since then no-one has won the Illinois Lotto game

I don't know when that change took place, let's assume the first drawing in Oct was the switch.

There have been 48 drawings during that time period.

Prior to that there was a winner on July 25th

What is more significant is that Illinois says a they experienced a large drop in ticket sales after they started handing out IOUs to winners.... [ More ]

Reply #11

JADELottery — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 19:35:16 GMT

You beat RNG by not playing.

When their revenue plummets to near zero, its a win-win for us.

Reply #10

Ron5995 — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 19:12:24 GMT

For many, including myself, it's not RNG itself that's an issue, but rather there's a lack of transparency in regards to draw integrity. A properly functioning RNG, assuming no tampering, is just as good as balls.

However, it's conceivable that the number distribution may be different between the two methods, but the outcome over many draws should be identical with all numbers / combinations having an equal chance of appearing. Casinos have used RNGs for decades with relatively few issues. Pe... [ More ]

Reply #9

dddwww — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 19:02:43 GMT

Playing any game of chance where the house has a 50% edge is throwing your money away IMO.

In some lotteries the house edge is even far worse than 50%.

If you are skilled, learn to play poker or become a wizard at sports betting, both fields where you effectively are playing against other people and if your skill is greater than average you could make money over the long run.

Playing lotteries can be fun for the pleasure of imaging what you would do if you hit a big prize, nothing

Reply #8

LonniC — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:05:48 GMT

I have been wondering the same thing.

I am beginning to seriously wonder about this rng stuff here in Illinois. They changed over to rng in October and since then no-one has won the Illinois Lotto game. The Lucky Day Lotto before the change would seldom get over $400,000 but is now normally over $400,000.

If they are not manipulating the rng, how is it any more random than the ping pong balls? I can see maybe a small difference in the jackpot amounts during the change, but I don

Reply #7

travelintrucker — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:05:27 GMT

A lot of states preach about transparency in their lottery games. It'd be nice to know that they hold themselves to that same standard by showing that they don't have a personal hand it what numbers are drawn. Meaning, let the balls bounce

Reply #6

rcbbuckeye — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 03:58:01 GMT

Cleaning out my garage I came across some old Ohio Lotto tickets from 1985. So it dawned on me I've been playing some type of lotto/PB/MM game for over 30 years.

The most I ever won on a lotto game was $898 on 5 of 6 on Ohio Lotto. Won $400 on Pick 4 couple years ago. $100/$200 here and there on other games. But on lotto, $898.

But.......

I'll keep playing, chasing that jackpot. I'm in too deep to stop now. With the odds we play against, it doesn't matter how they draw the numbers.

T... [ More ]

Reply #5

fast eddie — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 03:42:30 GMT

In theory the plan should be the same but i just feel i can't get any advantage against an RNG. I don't know if it's i just don't trust them but I don't like them and feel traditional ping pong systems will not work as well vs. an RNG. maybe someone else has some thoughts on this

Reply #4

Raven62 — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 03:27:50 GMT

So what happened to the Plan

Reply #3

MzDuffleBaglady — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 03:18:03 GMT

Exactly.

Reply #2

fast eddie — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 03:06:48 GMT

yeah but it didn't seem so stupid when i had a plan (system

Reply #1

rcbbuckeye — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 03:04:38 GMT

Prolly throwing our money away trying to beat the lottery, period.

Are we throwing away our money by trying to beat an RNG?

fast eddie — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 03:03:27 GMT

Seems like a lot of players including myself feel like a system works best against ping pong balls drawings and have had some success and think they don't have that same advantage against an RNG. So are we throwing away money by trying to beat RNG lotteries