Seeing Inside Random a Parody ??

Reply #27

SilverLion — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 23:50:35 GMT

don't think too hard.

Reply #26

Wisconsin3054 — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 17:24:55 GMT

Are you referring to the people who doubt the lottery is random, or to the people who doubt the lottery isn't random?

What is a randomness doubter ? just want to see where I fall before I google chi squared

Reply #25

Tialuvslotto — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 12:21:12 GMT

2 words for all you randomness doubters: Chi Squared.

Reply #24

elios311 — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 23:03:46 GMT

Genuine concern but it doesn't really hold up. The reason is the chaos theory. Because of the chaotic nature of the system, even if just one ball is slightly displaced, in just a few seconds of mixing, the pattern will be completely unpredictable. Notice the double-rod pendulum on the wikipedia page about the chaos theory; if you displace the second rod by just an atom, the behaviour will be completely different. Any system with mutual dependencies is very sensitive to initial conditions. And in... [ More ]

Reply #23

Wisconsin3054 — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 15:33:32 GMT

Hmmm.. I think the statement is true. If the game is random, then the last draw or any number of last draws will have no correlation to the next draw.

Yes, over time, there is a certain probability that there will be a repeat, or no repeat. However, that probability is the same probability for any numbers you want to substitute for the last draw as well. In pick 3, if you pick any 3 numbers, adjusting for doubles or triples, you will have the same chance of getting one digit right as the chan... [ More ]

Reply #22

TheMeatman2005 — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 13:42:58 GMT

Years ago, I used to buy a Lotto newspaper and it tracked the ball position before the draw. Being that they rotate the balls in the tubes before dropping into the mixer. So, ball 1-14 would be in tube 1 one draw and then next draw those balls would be in tube 2 and so on for the subsequent draws.

Since they drop the balls in the same manner for each draw, is it possible that the position of the balls takes some of the randomness out of the game

Reply #21

Tialuvslotto — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 13:01:06 GMT

My contention is that if you can arrive at future numbers based on past events then the game is not truly random.

Not true. There is a mathematical probability that one or more of the numbers will repeat from the last drawing, the drawing before that, etc. Since we can calculate the probability, we can make a prediction (repeats, no repeats) and know how often we will be correct.

Just because 978 is followed by 827 or 5-17-27-39-56 is followed by 7-21-27-55-70 does not mean that the game

Reply #20

AllenB — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 02:03:34 GMT

Ball Drawings are Definitely Random RNG I'm not so sure. If I was up against Ball machines I would not waste my time with any system. As to your previous post about wasting my time. It was a freaking Day Dream and an analogy that as an Engineer (Yes that means that I have the Nack) that I find Amusing. Maybe I should have posted on an Engineering Ssite.

Reply #19

GatorShea — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 01:17:53 GMT

My contention is that if you can arrive at future numbers based on past events then the game is not truly random.

Reply #18

bobby623 — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 01:05:03 GMT

Teddi!

In lottery play, gamblers rely on 'systems' and 'workouts' to guide their play selections.

A 'system' is a data set where a User activates a few keyboard keys and gets a desired number of combinations derived from past drawings, according to some mathematical formulae generally known only by the creator of the system.

A 'workout' is a method whereby certain data is logged and re-logged according to clearly defined repetitive tracking plans.

Users evaluate the data strings for... [ More ]

Reply #17

Teddi — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 00:28:05 GMT

A gambler with a system must be, to a greater or lesser extent, insane. George Augustus Sala

Reply #16

bobby623 — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:55:22 GMT

Suggestion:

Visit a lottery website where actual ball machine drawings are streamed online.

After a few visits watching the ball machines at work, there should be no doubt in your mind that

the winning numbers are chosen by CHANCE.

In other words, there are no discernible actions suggesting that the balls are selected according to some devious plan.

It may not be 100 per cent random, but so what.

Do you think you would win if 100% purely random is at play rather than 'sufficien... [ More ]

Reply #15

GatorShea — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:23:04 GMT

True randomness makes any and all systems worthless. If the game is truly random, then it doesn't matter what system you are using as you are just guessing the same way as some random player goes and fills out numbers on a ticket. I don't see how the previous draw relates to the next one unless the game is not entirely random and that each current draw has a true relation to the ones that precede them. I'm not sure that I believe that isn't so. I've been a consistent lottery player for a short a... [ More ]

Reply #14

bobby623 — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 22:10:51 GMT

Why waste your time trying to define random in way it can generate winning numbers?

There is about 20 years of experience here in LP strongly indicating that your are wasting brain energy that

could be more productive in other ways.

What ways?

TRENDS

All you have to do is devise some positive logging and tracking procedures that generate data streams

having clues that will help you make rationale guesswork about what could happen next.

Your job would be evaluate the strings

Reply #13

AllenB — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 20:19:53 GMT

3 Legs, 3 Balls (Pick 3). Just a Metaphor Not Real.

Reply #12

GatorShea — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 19:49:07 GMT

This is still a random event in a controlled setting. It is not random as to whether a certain number of balls fall or not at all. We all know that for every drawing there will be 6 balls that come out no matter what because of the controlled environment. Now, whether which numbers come out are truly random remains to be seen.

Reply #11

AllenB — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:26:56 GMT

Yeah I know, I take full responsibility for you missing the point again.

Reply #10

SergeM — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:59:00 GMT

Holy macaroni monster, that's a lot of chars!

Let me skip that string!

The joke is that the payouts are that low that you just can win your money back or not at all.

Big winners are the bate.

Reply #9

AllenB — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 15:56:52 GMT

Not real practical but every good invention started with a good dream.

Reply #8

AllenB — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 15:54:21 GMT

While this My Post might seem a be way of base, there is an underlying point that I wanted to make about Balance. Lets for the sake of stability, move our instrument onto dry land. If we are on a relatively flat surface the tripod legs are all about the same length. On sloping ground at least 1 leg must be longer or shorter that the other 2 and conditions most likely require them to be 3 different lengths. By the way, We are not just talking about being level. That sounds like what you did on th... [ More ]

Reply #7

dr65 — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 14:36:13 GMT

Random.

I hate that word. And exactly what games are you speaking about?

Big games, small games or both.

If ANY result can be expected or predicted or patterned, it is not random.

Random can be an insult to some, a soothing word to others and an

inescapable occurrence for others...personally I spend much time on

studying numbers and believe consideration of the word random is

a waste of time.

On an ocean, on a barge with an instrument balanced on a tripod, the

waves wi... [ More ]

Reply #6

Tialuvslotto — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:30:12 GMT

I'm not sure you can draw an analogy between the physical world and random. Some of the examples of physical random events that we use, such as radioactive decay or atmospheric noise, occur on the margins of the physical world -- i.e at the molecular level or at an extreme macro universal level. Wave action may be random, but generally seems to form a fairly consistent pattern.

Reply #5

CARBOB — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 11:33:55 GMT

Here in Central Florida, we have a place, called the Roost , where fireworks are launched on July 4. I did lots of level setups on the barge, not to bad keeping it level.

Reply #4

hearsetrax — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 10:46:41 GMT

Reply #3

amber123 — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 04:26:51 GMT

And i thought I had the best sh*t

Reply #2

AllenB — Sun, 28 Feb 2016 23:54:53 GMT

And yes this sh___ is really good! LMAO

Reply #1

AllenB — Sun, 28 Feb 2016 23:53:44 GMT

I just had another thought.

What if the Ocean is really calm. If I am good at setting up could I be there at the right time. Depending on the time window of course. Momentary glimpses would require that I be 99% or more set to make level at the correct time. Longer time frames would allow me to adjust the legs.

Seeing Inside Random a Parody ??

AllenB — Sun, 28 Feb 2016 23:47:33 GMT

I just had a thought.

Trying to See inside Random is like trying to set up a level a surveying instrument on a floating barge in the middle of a storm at a specific point in time. If you could do that you might see the numbers when you looked in the optical plummet or where the plummet laser pointed.