Strategy for playing the Florida Fantasy 5 smarter

Reply #43

RJOh — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 21:47:12 GMT

From what i've read premium LP members can do the same with data files here.

Reply #42

Feisty1 — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 17:56:18 GMT

Exactly

Reply #41

maxodds — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 14:15:16 GMT

I'd say for #17, position 3 4 are equally like since the numbers are fairly close.

Reply #40

GiveFive — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 10:54:25 GMT

Thanks! I've been tracking T5's numbers on a year to date basis. #39 is T5's hottest number in 2016 with 39 hits, but of course, it can only hit in position 5!! Wouldn't you just know that would happen!!! LOL!

That said, #'s 17 and 31 are in second place with 34 hits each. #17 is probably best played in position 3 and #31 has shown in position 5 the most this year, so it's probably the best slot to play it as well. Thanks again. G5

Reply #39

GiveFive — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 10:43:30 GMT

Custom/home-grown code. I thought that would be the answer to Feisty1's question. I've seen lots of commercially available lottery software, but I've never seen any of it do Range/Positional Analysis.

Congrats. You've managed to do something for yourself that the majority of players cant do either because they don't have the time, or they lack the technical skills to do it. G5

Reply #38

Feisty1 — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 03:29:32 GMT

That's fantastic. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm challenged just trying to put together advanced formulas in Excel! Fortunately, I've been able to get by using GH's Advantage Plus. I also used Lotto Director Pro in the past when the site was up and running ...

Reply #37

RJOh — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 03:18:15 GMT

I designed my own years ago using GW-Basic. When Windows 8 came out I learned enough QB64 to modify it to run on Windows 8 and Now Windows 10. I once had copies of Lotto Pro and Lotto Buster but I've been able to customize my own to give me any information I want the way I want it. I'm always adding features as I think of new ways to play.

Reply #36

Feisty1 — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:54:30 GMT

Reason I'm asking is because its been my experience that the software will tell you how many hits each digit has had but not which position it hit in ...

Reply #35

Feisty1 — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:42:56 GMT

Which one do you use

Reply #34

RJOh — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:37:34 GMT

With good lottery software you have that kind of information at your finger tips all the time.

Reply #33

Feisty1 — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:36:13 GMT

Thank you! Nicely done too

Reply #32

maxodds — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:20:41 GMT

On point Amber, this way we can see what numbers are most likely to play in each of the 5 positions. And just like I have heard here, what is most probable to happen, tends to happen most often .

Reply #31

amber123 — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:10:37 GMT

It's just a way to re-position the numbers in an orderly way, in order to track them better. Once in a while you'll notice that there is a winner that has all high digits like, 20-24-26-27-31, this is rare, or all low numbers is rare. Usually there is a spread, and although this is no guarantee the spread will be evenly spaced out, for the most part, certain numbers like their place on the grid, sort of like the home area.

Again, it's just one way to organize the numbers, so we can see their... [ More ]

Reply #30

maxodds — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:04:42 GMT

Glad you caught the error and now we are on track GiveFive.

Well here goes for the New York Take 5 Range Chart for all positions 1 thru 5. I was able to get it done today.

Enjoy

Reply #29

GiveFive — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:52:14 GMT

You're right, #'s1 and 2 hit in the first position the highest percentage of the time...

When I looked back at what I wrote, I saw that I did a particularly lousy job of stating what I was trying to say.

What I was trying to say was this; #'s 14 and 15 are probably the most frequent numbers appearing in position 1 when numbers 1 thru 9 are not drawn. It's very common for most Take5 drawings to have a single digit number in position 1. But when there is no single digit number drawn, my gues... [ More ]

Reply #28

Feisty1 — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:54:57 GMT

GF,

You crack me up ... I played T5 from that very first game

Reply #27

Feisty1 — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:51:37 GMT

That would be Great! I was going to ask if you had the time to pls put a chart up for either NY or CA, but if you can do both that would be really nice. I was about to wrestle with my excel chart but I'm pretty weak in the formulas department ...

Reply #26

maxodds — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:30:01 GMT

I have a system I use to help make the table so probably I will do one for the other 5/39 games listed here.

If I had to guess though, I'd say #1 or #2 in Take5 are probably the two numbers that hit in the first position the highest percentage of the time.

Reply #25

GiveFive — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:29:35 GMT

Feisty,

Agreed! Color coding the numbers in Excel is a good way to fly. I've been doing that with my spreadsheets for quite some time. It definitely helps me very quickly spot high numbers in the first position. If I had to guess, I'd say #14 or #15 in Take5 are probably the two numbers that hit in the first position the highest percentage of the time. (Since T5 began, way back in January of 1992)

Patience??? What's that?

Discipline? Never heard of it!

Actually, I have heard of both... [ More ]

Reply #24

GiveFive — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:01:22 GMT

I think the thing that might or could confuse some folks with regard to what you've shown them is the fact that the draw order of the numbers is not what appears on TV, in newspapers or on websites. And, when you buy a ticket, the lines of numbers on them are printed (sorted) in numerical order. I guess that's done to make it easy for players to check the lines on their tickets. Of course, the numbers could be drawn in numerical order, but to my way of thinking, that probably never happens. (But... [ More ]

Reply #23

maxodds — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 07:00:58 GMT

Precisely the point of the chart, glad you are grasping the concept G5, expect some more ideas and post to come from me, we can all win the lottery today, so stay tuned.

What would be even more interesting is if you did this for about 2 more years, separately, just to see if the trend is consistent from year to year and that would prove the concept right.

Reply #22

GiveFive — Sat, 30 Jul 2016 23:10:32 GMT

I just finished making my Take5 Range Chart/spreadsheet for 2015.

There are no major surprises on it, but I did gain a few insights or get different perspective on how I look at the numbers. One thing that I realized as I made it is that how many hits a number may have had in a calendar year has some bearing on what you'll see. For instance in Take5 for 2015, #17 was the hottest number of the year with 61 hits. In 24 of those 61 hits, it appeared in the second position. So roughly two thirds... [ More ]

Reply #21

Feisty1 — Sat, 30 Jul 2016 17:12:02 GMT

Hey G5,

You already know I like how you think! I've started an excel chart using CA's Fantasy 5 history, not so much for the count per position of each digit, but rather to color code the first and second positions for those high starts that I mentioned in my previous post. This way it's much easier to spot when the long skips occur and then you can position yourself to pounce ... Maxodd's chart is a nice complement to other charts using this type of strategy. When you know which digits from... [ More ]

Reply #20

GiveFive — Sat, 30 Jul 2016 16:52:57 GMT

Well, it's a very labor intensive/time consuming effort, but I started making an Excel spreadsheet for Take5 in 2015. I've completed numbers 1 through 10. (I wish I had coding skills because I'd much rather have my laptop automatically do the work I've done manually!) I've yet to convert the results I've seen into percenatges, but I'll do that at a later point in time.

At any rate, what I've seen as a result of the work I've done goes something like this; It's pointless to play #10 in positio... [ More ]

Reply #19

GiveFive — Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:03:59 GMT

Hi Feisty!

Like you, (and as can be seen in my earlier posts in this thread) I think Maxodd's Range Chart has merit to it. That said, I would add that I would use it in combination with other charts/spreadsheets and software that I currently use. One thing that I've noticed about it is that it clearly demonstrates that in the entire history of Florida's Fantasy5, the combination of 1 2 3 4 5 has never been drawn, nor has 32 33 34 35 36. (No big surprise!) To my mind, playing numbers positiona... [ More ]

Reply #18

GiveFive — Sat, 30 Jul 2016 13:15:06 GMT

The above explanation of what you've done with your chart works best for me.

IMHO, the key words you wrote are most likely to be played . To me, most likely translates into most probable . Simply put, I believe that which is most probable, happens most often.

Although the reported results of the drawing are sorted in ascending order, and not in the sequence the numbers were drawn in, my inclination would be to play #2 in position 1. The only exception to that would be that I was also play... [ More ]

Reply #17

destinycreation — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:09:18 GMT

I could see how this strategy might help if you are using a Jackpot Multi-Stage Wheeling System [Steve Player has some. Ex: Millennium Wheel]. If your strategy is to play the most popular numbers that are drawn most often in the game as a whole, then you could determine this by the chart.

You would divide the numbers in the game into Number Ranges: 1) 1 - 10, (2) 11 - 20, (3) 21 - 30, (4) 31 - 36 , and then choose the numbers that are drawn most often in each Range from the information in the... [ More ]

Reply #16

destinycreation — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:34:12 GMT

I understand how to read this chart. But, you've still lost me as to how positional play helps any in the Pick 5 game.

Please give an example of how choosing numbers by position in the Pick 5 gives an advantage ???

Are you possibly implying that we should choose numbers that are drawn more often in the entirety of the game ??? For example, the number 36 has been drawn 785 times in position 5, and the number 35 has been drawn 762 times in positions 4 5. Are you implying that we should choos... [ More ]

Reply #15

maxodds — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:17:17 GMT

OK great, glad you understand it now, let me know if this info will be helpful to you, thanks.

Reply #14

destinycreation — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:11:55 GMT

According to your chart ......

The number 22 is most popular in the 3rd 4th positions.

The number 30 is most popular in the 4th 5th positions.

Reply #13

maxodds — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:08:34 GMT

OK I see, you dont yet understand the idea I am bringing across.

First let me agree with you, 36, 11, 30, 22, 1 and 11, 22, 1, 36, 30, are the same thing, but thats not what we are talking about here.

After the drawing of 11, 22, 1, 36 and 30 is done, rearrange the numbers in numerical order, you will get 1, 11, 22, 30 and 36, where the number 1 is in position 1 per my table, 11 in position 2 and so on. Now note, the number 1 only plays in position 1, the number 36 only plays in

Reply #12

destinycreation — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 20:59:36 GMT

I still don't understand your point about positional play in the Florida Fantasy 5.

If you play the following numbers on your playslip: 36, 11, 30, 22, 1 in this exact order, and the numbers are drawn in this exact order: 11, 22, 1, 36, 30, then you still win the Florida Pick 5 Jackpot. Correct ??

It doesn't matter what order [position] you fill out your playslip, or what order the winning numbers are drawn in. If you have all of the winning numbers on the same line, in any order, you ST... [ More ]

Reply #11

Feisty1 — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 20:03:23 GMT

This strategy can be particularly useful when looking for the best high start digit that happens every X number of games! Meaning focusing on #s 10-19 to appear in Pos 1. X will be different of course for FL's Fan5 vs NY's Take-5 or CA's Fan 5. But definitely worth looking at since lines with mostly or all higher numbers tend to have better payouts ...

Reply #10

maxodds — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:24:49 GMT

A lot of people are thinking/or looking for a system to predict the lottery, there quite wont be a system like that.

Instead I started changing my mindset to playing tickets that are most likely to play, if I play the lottery regular, the tickets I pick are most likely to win.

Reply #9

maxodds — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:17:50 GMT

I think you are missing the key concept of the table, and even being on this site. What we are trying to do here is maximizing our chances of winning anything while playing the lottery. Now based on the table it is evident that all the numbers are more popular in certain positions, meaning they are most likely to play in that position. For example the number 3 is most likely to play in position 1. If I am picking the number 3 I would buy it mostly in position 1, I wouldn't buy a lot of iit in po... [ More ]

Reply #8

destinycreation — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 16:31:25 GMT

Why does it matter which position Fantasy Five numbers are drawn in ??? Pick 5 numbers can be drawn in any position, it doesn't matter, b/c you're not wagering by position or order drawn. When you're deciding which numbers to wheel, your mind automatically puts the numbers in Ascending Order, and it doesn't matter if the number [1] is drawn first or last, as long as it is represented in the wheel.

Reply #7

maxodds — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:57:46 GMT

That is true also, I use it as just one strategy to incorporate with other strategies. For the most part to help with that I mostly focus on the 1st and last positions.

Also what is important to note is that for example numbers from 14 and up are still likely to play in position, its just that i will buy less of those.

Reply #6

rcbbuckeye — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:45:52 GMT

I used to have charts like this for MM, Texas Lotto, and Texas 2 Step a few years ago. It was good info. The problem with it is that the most frequently drawn numbers for each position weren't necessarily drawn together.

I have a chart like this for Texas Cash 5 that I just put together just to watch. I don't play that game very often.

Reply #5

Todd — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:05:33 GMT

Reply #4

maxodds — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:54:12 GMT

Thanks guys, am glad you both find the information useful.

You are so right, I would think the total draws for the New York 5/39 game would be in similar proportions(but higher like you say). Wish I had the time to create it.

Reply #3

GiveFive — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:31:55 GMT

Although I'm in New York, I'll offer a tip of my cap to you! Great info!

I would think that the total for each number would be similar (but larger) for New York's 5/39 game, Take5. It began in January of 1991, so it has ten more years of history than Fantasy Five. That's why I say the totals would be larger.

I'm curious as to what method you used to calculate the total for each position. I'm sure you must have used software of some kind. Thanks. G5

Reply #2

maxodds — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 04:04:26 GMT

Kinda close but this is the correct explanation...

What the 834 is, it means that for all the drawings since July 15th 2001 to the ost current drawing July 27th 2016 The number one has played 834 times in position 1(number only plays in position one). It gets interesting as you go down the table. For the number two, for the same period it has played 672 times in position 1 and only 103 times in position 2. This means that the number two is most likely to be played in position 1. So if I

Reply #1

amber123 — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 03:57:28 GMT

Had to delete my last post...duh, I didn't take the time to really read and re-read it, ha.

So the 834 means that between 7-15-2001 and 7-27-2016, a number between 1-13 showed in the first position 834 times.

This is priceless information. Thank You so much

Strategy for playing the Florida Fantasy 5 smarter

maxodds — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 03:29:34 GMT

Here is some information I hope will help you to pick (not quick pick) your numbers smarter. The table is first then the explanation is next so please scroll down.

This Table outlines what numbers are likely to play in 1 of 5 positions in the Fantasy 5. For position 1, it is more likely that numbers from 1-13 will play, for position 2, it is more likely that numbers from 2-22 will play, for position 3, it is more likely that numbers from 8-29 will play, for position 4, it is