What pre-tests do to our game(Pick-3) - a simple simulated(game) random generation test

Reply #20

eddessaknight — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:18:09 GMT

BRAVO, well done, lotterybreaker. well done!

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Players have won, numbers have occurred already, but they don't know it

Reply #19

grwurston — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 21:39:29 GMT

It's really just a matter of keeping track of whether the draw was a single or double on your charts. And a big plus, is

knowing how the state you're playing tends to operate as far as their frequency on showing doubles. If you've just had 7 or 8

doubles in a row, you're probably not going to see too many the next couple of weeks.

I don't do a lot of mixing. If I'm not sure what I want to play, I'll just sit out a day or three and see what they show.

Reply #18

thamizhpayan — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 13:31:41 GMT

Nice analysis.

Playing just singles during those doubles streak will drag to loss. Similarly playing just doubles assuming a double will hit after 2 or 3 singles would also drag to loss...

May be we have to mix our numbers from different number types - atleast doubles and singles in pick 3.

Good luck

Reply #17

grwurston — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 21:56:31 GMT

March 27 through April on Midday Md. had 6 doubles in a row. Then again on May 24 through May 28 also on Midday we had 5 doubles in a row.

Conversely, so far just this year we have had streaks of 7 or more straight days with no doubles 8 times. Four on each draw.

Reply #16

thamizhpayan — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 05:12:50 GMT

Hi

Gruwurston's post : https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/312650/5112375

He mentioned that the count of doubles drawn in midday draws is more than average(40+ instead of 27) whereas when seen as combined draws, doubles are still staying in the correct average(bit more 30+).

He also mentioned that out of 13 doubles, 5 were drawn consecutively i.e., on 5 day draws, doubles came out...

5 in a row doesn't happen often. I was interested to know did it ever occur more than 5. I went a... [ More ]

Reply #15

river26 — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 20:40:58 GMT

ur explanation is not clear at all whats skip whats 3 in a row ect ur all confuseed i think

Reply #14

river26 — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 20:38:34 GMT

i agree

Reply #13

thamizhpayan — Mon, 29 May 2017 23:58:42 GMT

Hi,

I used the skip counts from this topic : https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/311426 If you are interested, take a look at those sheets and the guide to interpret them - that's a huge collection of techniques/stats...

I used regex to find the count from skip count.

e.g., [^0],(0,){1}[^0] will give the number of times doubles came twice(the number in curly braces has to be 1 less than count)

These type of events will occur/happen if it's random/even if you don't rotate bal... [ More ]

Reply #12

thamizhpayan — Mon, 29 May 2017 23:19:51 GMT

Hi grwurston,

Here are the doubles occurrence count data for Delaware Pick-3. The long string is hit/skip - skip count...

Combined tracking:

2,8,0,2,2,0,0,0,0,5,11,0,7,2,1,5,2,3,3,4,6,1,0,1,0,4,1,4,0,7,6,21,1,2,2,1,2,2,0,0,1,5,1,3,2,1,5,1,0,4,1,4,1,1,10,1,0,10,8,3,0,1,0,1,2,3,2,0,0,1,1,1,0,3,2,2,1,5,0,2,0,2,0,0,0,10,3,0,3,0,2,2,1,1,7,0,15,0,1,4,5,3,1,2,1,13,5,1,0,5,2,7,2,1,5,0,0,1,14,5,1,1,2,15,3,2,7,3,0,5,4,8,1,1,0,0,5,9,0,2,1,7,15,0,4,6,0,22,0,1,8,1,5,0,5,0,3,1,0,3,4,4,0,0,1,1,11,0,2,... [ More ]

Reply #11

grwurston — Mon, 29 May 2017 08:31:45 GMT

Here is something I posted yesterday. Notice the increasing percentage of the doubles, particularly on midday. Mind you this is a live ball drawing state, not computer. But sometimes I wonder...

When I see something like this it makes me wonder just how random the drawings really are. Can you imagine if the same percentage of doubles were showing up in the pre-tests also? I guess the officials would say every thing is fine. lol

May 28 Midday 115

We have had 5 doubles in a row now

Reply #10

underdog371 — Mon, 29 May 2017 06:08:29 GMT

In tenn nothing is really random! Explain to me, why so many numbers hit on same day of month and repeats of the same set come so close together! Not much of a random gen! I still think its manuplated by the ones who sell the machines to the lottery. And i know in tenn ,when there is a big payout that the crooks have sent someone to play that set of numbers! The boys in washington need to step in and make random gen go away,, and every lotto use ball draws, with a live guest to put balls in for

Reply #9

thamizhpayan — Mon, 29 May 2017 05:56:59 GMT

Yes especially the most cold features...

Either it be the most cold digit or short sum or root sum, etc., any other statistically trackable (with a math average) feature, this holds good. If combos with these cold features are drawn one or more times during the pre tests and post tests, we won't know that this has happened and as a result we would think it's cold but in natural order of drawing, it's not so.

These don't affect hot and mid/mild features more but the cold zone is more s... [ More ]

Reply #8

lotterybraker — Mon, 29 May 2017 05:45:51 GMT

it would be like you going to the DOG TRACK and they make the dogs run 4 races to test the dogs and now that have to run one more time which will be counted on to determine a winner and make payouts to winners...

It is strange that any type of gambling activity on planet earth IS ON THE NEXT RANDOM OUTCOME..if you bet on a marble game,a checkers game...a baseball game, a football game a dog race, a horse race if you go to the casino..its the next random outcome...if you put 1.00 in a slot mac... [ More ]

Reply #7

lotterybraker — Mon, 29 May 2017 05:23:00 GMT

well RANDOM has a numerical memory...it knows exactly what is missing from every single field there is..it has one purpose and one purpose only...to complete every variable field there is so it can move forward in time...

CHECK the smallest and easiest field there is...fine 9 of the 10 digits in the paying field..and now look for the 10th digit above your starting point..it is most likely in those pre-test draws..if it is then it has changed the natural running time of random.now run that fie... [ More ]

Reply #6

thamizhpayan — Sun, 14 May 2017 12:56:40 GMT

Statistical alignment (order) of really drawn order and manipulated winning order are different. All characteristics or features of a number based sheets(sum, digits, pairs, triplets, etc.,) data are different.

As you said, coming up with systems using manipulated winning order alone and back testing is the best possible option for System brewers(no other go).

We can't tell, play most cold number for some time. What we have as most cold has come multiple times in real draw( it co... [ More ]

Reply #5

MonEl — Sat, 13 May 2017 06:01:33 GMT

I have said it many times before, Why try to complicate things more than they already are?

Pre and post tests is what some people say that prevents them from predicting the winning numbers right.

People have to blame something and or somebody, we don't want to be at fault ourselves, right?

I say Forget all about pre and post tests numbers and only use the numbers from the winning draws, after all, it is all relative.

And prediction is also a relative thing, anyone thing is only relat... [ More ]

Reply #4

thamizhpayan — Sat, 13 May 2017 02:07:44 GMT

Yeah true. Too many parameters to consider... And when one among those stats produces a hit, people try to adapt calculations/techniques/methods...

Reply #3

bobby623 — Fri, 12 May 2017 22:12:12 GMT

Knowing the 4 test permutations plus the winning permutation times 4 drawings per day provides 20 permutations for statistical purposes.

That's a lot of processing!

Maybe Texas lottery officials decided to release the test results to add confusion and infuriate system players

Reply #2

thamizhpayan — Fri, 12 May 2017 17:59:26 GMT

At the same time we have people tracking hot/warm (mild)/cold/due/over due to predict future numbers(phantom mathematics) using statistics given to us - with predraws during drawing ( we don't have those numbers)

What I mentioned is that, these cold or over due trackings and sheets are screwed by those pre draws? So we won't know whether we are chasing a cold number as per the winning number given by state which could have been a short term hot hitter in those 5 draws...

I see that, e... [ More ]

Reply #1

bobby623 — Fri, 12 May 2017 17:01:46 GMT

I'm curious.

Lottery drawing machines have no memory.

Ball selection is accomplished via random chance.

Given that there is no discernible mathematical action at the source (inside the vessel containing the appropriate number of balls for the game), any evaluation of the results has to be based on 'phantom mathematics.'

You are apparently using the machine outputs (winning numbers) to generate your statistics.

Since the machine doesn't know what the statistics are, what is the pro... [ More ]

What pre-tests do to our game(Pick-3) - a simple simulated(game) random generation test

thamizhpayan — Fri, 12 May 2017 12:24:21 GMT

Hi,

I wanted to test/see statistics with and without pre-tests.

I created a pick-3 game. I used 3 Random generators that use 3 different seeds(to simulate 3 different ball holder/separate pools) from random.org The random generator is AES key driven non-linear random generator using a math library for Java - uncommon math library). I simulated ball set changes by changing the seeds of all three generators every 720 draws. I also added 5 pre-test draws in it. Here are the statistics sheets... [ More ]