Why the fervor over a winner being a quick pick or self pick?

Reply #63

Cobra555 — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 01:39:09 GMT

Solved what? Delays in reporting? or Executive bonuses for increased sales? We had LighthouseDoug in this very thread to tell us about an hour and half delay in reporting winning numbers in California. Not 30 min, but 90 min. It wasn't a bathroom break , as Tucker Black framed it. It must be full blown party.

Besides, another question that comes up, what GTeck has to do with all of it? As far as I understand, majority of the lotteries worldwide, including Canada use their services for somethi... [ More ]

Reply #62

CDanaT — Wed, 06 Jun 2018 22:28:06 GMT

Well, that explains it right there...Canada..Case closed... glad we solved that

Reply #61

Cobra555 — Wed, 06 Jun 2018 17:30:57 GMT

And here is another information that I've just found:

When someone purchases a ticket with randomly-generated numbers those combination of numbers are subsequently removed from the database of numbers available to buy. Denis Daly (Loto-Quebec executive) said all the purchased random generated combinations are only put back into the system after three or four draws when the database is re-shuffled. Ifergan alleges in the documents that this mean that millions of possibly winning combinations... [ More ]

Reply #60

Cobra555 — Wed, 06 Jun 2018 17:12:23 GMT

...is not like a normal profit-seeking corporation. The employees do not receive a bonus based on last year's/last quarter's profits. They just get a salary.

...

The lottery corporations are not private but there is a profit motive. OLG (Canadian Lotto Corp) executives receive very good annual bonuses based on corporate sales.

Reply #59

Coin Toss — Wed, 06 Jun 2018 14:21:03 GMT

CDanaT,

0 for 7, ha! At least you know the clerks aren't lotbots (lottery robots).

I was just trying to make a point about Tucker Black's post.

Massachusetts was upset that their lottery revenue was down 8% from the previous year, yet they still made $733 million. Do the math folks.

Reply #58

CDanaT — Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:44:59 GMT

HEYYYYYYYYYYYYY.........

Don't be picking on the Tennessee Lottery.... They suck bad enough already and I have only been here 2 weeks. I was hoping to find something positive about their modus operandi. So far I am 0 for 7 in talking with clerks who sell the products.

Reply #57

Coin Toss — Wed, 06 Jun 2018 03:45:23 GMT

Naw, no dark side but consider some comments right here on LP.....Dragon Lady comes to mind, Tennessee lottery I think.

Reply #56

rcbbuckeye — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 23:46:00 GMT

When he posted I was envisioning the average schmucks doing the dirty deeds.

CT, are you going over to the DARK SIDE

Reply #55

Tucker Black — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 23:40:37 GMT

It's an inside job! Don't buy lottery tickets; you'll lose in the long run (a lot).

Reply #54

Coin Toss — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 23:23:13 GMT

Tucker Black;

The employees do not receive a bonus based on last year's/last quarter's profits.

You sure? What about the state lottery director or the higher ups at MUSL

Reply #53

rcbbuckeye — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 23:17:20 GMT

Good points Tucker.

Reply #52

Tucker Black — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 21:42:35 GMT

I can understand being wary of a lottery that spends 30 minutes between the drawing and the announcement of said drawing's results.

However, consider this... the lottery, while very profitable for the state, is not like a normal profit-seeking corporation. The employees do not receive a bonus based on last year's/last quarter's profits. They just get a salary. There is no incentive for them to cheat, because 100% of the additional profits from cheating goes directly into the state treasury.... [ More ]

Reply #51

rcbbuckeye — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:49:39 GMT

I suppose if one is that distrustful of a lottery, then the obvious course of action is don't play.

Reply #50

Cobra555 — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 05:39:39 GMT

And here is another point to consider, remember that disclaimer, from the game in Canada:

DISCLAIMER: Numbers shown in these video recordings are unofficial.

The game is official, Millions of tickets officially sold twice a week, but winning numbers are UNOFFICIAL. You can't hold them responsible.

Reply #49

Cobra555 — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 05:10:03 GMT

And if we remember our toothpicks example, or to be correct, matches game, when one should pull out long one or short one. It would be like if we were only allowed to point to a match, without actually pooling it out to show. And after us pointing to it, person holding it would go to the other room, comes out 30 min later, show ANY match, saying that this was the match that we point to. With US, responsible for the outcomes of it being short or long.

Because, when someone choosing which numbe... [ More ]

Reply #48

Artist77 — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 22:31:34 GMT

But I would also believe the qp winner was meant to win as well even though I worked harder for my numbers.

Reply #47

Cobra555 — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 22:24:11 GMT

I'm a regular lottery gambler. I think I can safely say that I lose when I play the wrong numbers.

And this is just what I want to understand. As when we employ systems to determine the NEXT winning combination, is there is a CHANCE that our numbers were the right one for current draw, but published one were actually 4th or 5th draw after the one. (One we aimed at). And I wonder if anyone could use any software or system to analyse any lottery historic results to see if anomalies of at list... [ More ]

Reply #46

Cobra555 — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 21:52:55 GMT

I'm a regular lottery gambler. I think I can safely say that I lose when I play the wrong numbers.

The only question is that WHO determine that my numbers are wrong.

Or, you seem to think that the draw machine and the random number generators used for Quick Picks in hundreds of lottery

terminal can be manipulated to obtain a desired result.

My beef (as you frame it) is towards 30 min lead time vs LIVE broadcasting, as it was done before for many many years. I simply do not understa... [ More ]

Reply #45

bobby623 — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:28:19 GMT

Cobra555

Need to correct the time allowed for a Mega Millions drawing - it's 60 seconds, not 3 minutes.

Sorry about that. The 3 minutes is the time it takes for a complete drawing, which includes other games.

FYI The MegaMillions drawing I refer to is a rebroadcast via the Texas Lottery website.

The actual drawing is held in Georgia and is taped by other subscribers, such as Texas.

Comment

Having relatives in Quebec, I sometimes watch the Canadian lottery drawings for... [ More ]

Reply #44

Coin Toss — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 04:21:59 GMT

rcbbuckeye, Artist77,

I used the term incensed based on a lot of discussions here on LP about quick picks.

I can easily imagine this;

QP winner: Wow, I played a quick picj and it won the jackpot but I have to aplit it with someone who picked the same numbers.

Self pick winner: I spent hours goiung over my charts and strategies and past results and my numbers came in but I'm going to have to split the jackpot with some @!^^($@^ who played a @^%$*%%( quick pick!

Consider these 'stin... [ More ]

Reply #43

Cobra555 — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 03:24:28 GMT

Look at the odds of any jackpot from Cash 5 games to MM and PB. They don't have to cheat. The house ALWAYS has the edge.

But MORE is always BETTER

Reply #42

Cobra555 — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 03:19:04 GMT

To knowingly cheat players would simply kill the goose laying the golden egg. Common sense.

It is not, unless it can be proved. In our, Canadian big game with 60M JP, (and it comes to 60M only after numerous rollovers), we always have large JP right up to a new year draw. 5 years in the row. ALWAYS. And it was calculated once by someone, that it is just statistically not possible.

Reply #41

Cobra555 — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 03:09:39 GMT

If you watch the jackpot game drawings being streamed via the Internet you can't help but realize that the broadcast has to be completed in a certain amount of time. I think it's 3 minutes.

Again, my lottery, published video of their drawing on their website. (with 30 min delay) 2 last draws. 1st video 1.36 min. 2nd 1.41.

(It can be shown twice in 3 min.)

with this disclamer: DISCLAIMER: Numbers shown in these video recordings are unofficial. Video recordings are supplied by the Interp... [ More ]

Reply #40

Cobra555 — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 03:00:43 GMT

Face it, the lottery officials have to scan all of the data bases where the bought and paid for combinations are recorded.

This takes time and is subject to delays like just about anything else in life.

I am sorry, but i just don't get it. What do they have to scan for? Sold combinations? we all know there are plenty of cases where winning combination haven't being sold. And prize roll over to the next game. All of the scanning has to be done AFTER the winning combination had been announc... [ More ]

Reply #39

Artist77 — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 01:14:26 GMT

Interesting point. I think I would be a little annoyed since I pick my own numbers, but not incensed. It is like the people who always show up early for work (earliest start time) vs rolling in at 10 AM. We early birds think we work harder.

Reply #38

rcbbuckeye — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 00:50:41 GMT

Yeah, that's a good point. I never thought about it that way.

Reply #37

rcbbuckeye — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 00:47:52 GMT

I agree bobby. Unfortunately, there are some out there that automatically believe that any anomaly is cause for suspicion. I always wonder just why those folks are bothering to log on to a website devoted to lottery play, and why in the world they even play if they don't believe lotteries are playing fair.

I'll be a broken record and say it again. Look at the odds of any jackpot from Cash 5 games to MM and PB. They don't have to cheat. The house ALWAYS has the edge.

To knowingly cheat play... [ More ]

Reply #36

Coin Toss — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 23:46:27 GMT

Yeah, that was me and I still feel that way.

Something tells me that ig a jackpot had to be split between someone wh o picked their numbers and someone who played a QP the person who picked their numbers would be much more incensed avout having to split with a QP player than vice versa.

Reply #35

bobby623 — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 19:22:10 GMT

If you watch the jackpot game drawings being streamed via the Internet you can't help but realize that the broadcast has to be completed in a certain amount of time. I think it's 3 minutes.

Also, regular viewing will reveal that sometimes the delay between ball selection is longer than average.

When this happens, the Mega Millions folks will declare a malfunction and stop the broadcast because it can't be completed in the allotted time.

However, the drawing continues behind the scenes.... [ More ]

Reply #34

Cobra555 — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 17:42:46 GMT

Well, I got your message. Loud and clear. (even the nonsense stuff).

Random is a random, which does work in lottery organisers favor. And 2/3 rule apply to random results as well.

There are 13.98 million combinations. Unique combinations that is. With 2/3 rule we have that in order to register all 13.98M Unique combinations, one should have 19.12M QP draws. And even that is not correct. As it was explained in the other thread by LAIgrok, with the first 13.98M draws we would have onl... [ More ]

Reply #33

KY Floyd — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 06:28:35 GMT

This would be Unique Combinations, only after they would take repeats out of the equation.

I really don't know what you think you're saying. Each of the 13.98 million combination is unique. The fact that some tickets have the same combination is a completely different and irrelevant matter.

Do we count repeats or not?

Again, I've got no idea what you think you're saying.

Can anyone guarantee that out of 13.98M attempts/draws, each one of them would be unique?

Is there somethi... [ More ]

Reply #32

rcbbuckeye — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 00:11:42 GMT

If they have filters to prevent repeat combinations, then the terminal would not be printing random tickets. They can't print QP's that are totally random and not have SOME combinations repeat. And I think that is rather rare anyway, unless it's a draw with a massive jackpot where they're selling way more tickets than normal.

Try this. It's a small scale sample. Click on the quick picks button on the side and go to the Pick 3 selection. Just pick out 50 QP's at a time and you will get repeat... [ More ]

Reply #31

Cobra555 — Sat, 02 Jun 2018 20:28:00 GMT

QP tickets are generate randomly. You can find out what that means in a few minutes by rolling a die 6 times and repeating the process 5 or 10 times.

But that is the point,

A 6/49 game has just under 13.98 million possible combinations.

This would be Unique Combinations, only after they would take repeats out of the equation.

And here comes the question. Do we count repeats or not? What happens after the draw, (and here it comes little bit confusing. In this case, we use draw, as

Reply #30

KY Floyd — Sat, 02 Jun 2018 06:09:39 GMT

I imagine there have never been 40 million tickets sold for any single 6/49 Lotto

The final drawing of the last PB ru had sales of almost 45 million tickets for a jackpot advertised at 450 (455?) million. It may have been slightly different than 6/49 at the time, but I'm pretty sure that the record jackpot for NY lotto was 72 to 76 million. NY doesn't tell you the details about their games, but I'd imagine that was the result of total sales of about 210 to 225 million tickets, but spread ove... [ More ]

Reply #29

Cobra555 — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:17:49 GMT

And here is some statistics for national 649 here in Canada. On April 25, 2018, we had a jackpot of 30M. I know that there was 109 winners that win 5 out of 6 prise of $2.581.40. And at the same time, we know that for 5 out of 6 payouts reserved 5% of the prize pool. 109 x $2.581.4 = $281,372.6 is actual 5% of the prize pool. Which make prize pool of $56,274,520, which in turn equal to 18,758,173 tickets/combinations being sold. With only 1 jackpot winner. While there was 2 winning combination i... [ More ]

Reply #28

Cobra555 — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 07:52:02 GMT

And I would love to know how many unique combinations should we expect if they sell 14M tickets in 6/49 game. And interestingly, i couldn't find 649 game in US. so I couldn't find how many tickets could be sold. As for PB, here are some statistics about PB:

Gary Grief, chair of the Powerball game for the Multi-State Lottery Association, told ABC News that 371 million tickets had been sold for the record-breaking draw as of Wednesday afternoon (Jan 13 2016

Reply #27

Cobra555 — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 07:25:08 GMT

Here where it said that we are speaking about classic 6/49 game with 13,983,816 possible tickets/combinations. if it would be known that 2 or 3 winning tickets were generated by quick pick system, it would clearly show that organizers sell multiple tickets for each combinations. So, instead of pool of 13,983,816 combinations, they sell from double or triple amount of combinations, reducing the chances of winning.

Triple amount of 13,9M combinations would be 41.7M combinations.

And I must... [ More ]

Reply #26

CDanaT — Thu, 31 May 2018 14:20:04 GMT

Amen rcb.............. If 40 million tix were sold for the PB, it's hovering around 13.7% of the potential 292 Million.Even worse for the MM dropping it down to 13.24 %..... It would be interesting, at least in my perspective, to find out how many QP tix sold for the respective drawing( Be it PB or MM), are a duplicate set of numbers. You know, if there were 40 Million sold.

Reply #25

rcbbuckeye — Thu, 31 May 2018 12:52:08 GMT

Got that now. I was confused because I know in Texas there have never been 40 million tickets sold for a draw for our 6/54 Lotto. I imagine there have never been 40 million tickets sold for any single 6/49 Lotto draw either.

Reply #24

KY Floyd — Thu, 31 May 2018 04:21:56 GMT

Isn't it obvious?

Not when you can't clearly say what you mean. You said that selling repeat combinations reducing the chances of winning but the chances of winning depend on the odds of the game. Either they draw the numbers you played or they draw one of the other 13.98 million possible combinations. How many other other tickets have the winning combination only determines how much each winner gets.

a drop in the bucket

He's talking about a 6/49 game, but doesn't have clue how... [ More ]

Reply #23

Cobra555 — Thu, 31 May 2018 04:18:25 GMT

My Bad, I meant that 40 M tickets for standard 6/49 game, with 13.9 combinations available. Which mean 1 ticket out of 13.9 M sold should win. And when there are 40 M tickets sold and no winners, then it looks very suspicious. There was a story couple of years ago, when a woman bought 10 or 12 QP combinations for a lottery, and she get a single combination, reprinted 10 or 12 times in one ticket. And again, keep in mind, that in most lotteries duplicate combinations share the prize money, so pri... [ More ]

Reply #22

rcbbuckeye — Wed, 30 May 2018 12:12:01 GMT

40 million tix for MM or PB are a drop in the bucket when there are 292 million and 302 million combinations.

For our Texas lotto, there were just over 1 million tix sold in which there are 25,827,165 combinations. Again, a drop in the bucket.

Another case of I didn't win so it's rigged

Reply #21

Cobra555 — Wed, 30 May 2018 06:14:19 GMT

And this is would be only one of the ways to rig the lottery

Reply #20

Cobra555 — Wed, 30 May 2018 06:09:00 GMT

Isn't it obvious? one 1,2,3,4,5,6 ticket is absolutely the same as the other 1,2,3,4,5,6. But this is exactly the case. How many 1,2,3,4,5,6 tickets could you expect to be sold? could it be 13.9 M? This is again, exactly the the difference between rigged and honest lottery. One sells 13.9 M tickets which guaranteed that winning ticket was sold. The other can sell 40 M tickets and claim that there is no winning combination sold. Believe me, I would stay clear of the latter one.

Reply #19

Soledad — Wed, 30 May 2018 05:16:45 GMT

What do you mean they lol come on really

Reply #18

KY Floyd — Wed, 30 May 2018 04:37:45 GMT

they sell from double or triple amount of combinations, reducing the chances of winning.

Say what? Do you think that they somehow sell combinations that don't exist, or do you think that your ticket with 1,2,3,4,5,6 is somehow different than other tickets with 1,2,3,4,5,6

Reply #17

bobby623 — Tue, 29 May 2018 17:25:56 GMT

BobP

Believe it or not, several lottery players I know believe lottery officials are manipulating the RNGs to avoid the sale of duplicate combinations.

One told me she wasn't going to buy a Mega Millions QP because 'all the good combinations' have been sold!!

It's really amazing how little people seem to know about the games they are spending money on!!

I didn't have the mental energy to explain to her how the lottery works

Reply #16

BobP — Tue, 29 May 2018 07:00:58 GMT

Think of Quick Picks as random draws held in the terminal. If there were 13.9 Quick Picks sold the law of thirds suggests one third of the combinations would be drawn more then once, one third once and one third not at all.

The alternative would be a system filter that prevented duplicates until all combinations were sold, this would reduce rollovers that encourage more plays.

BobP

Reply #15

Cobra555 — Tue, 29 May 2018 06:26:39 GMT

I myself would love to know if numbers for winning ticket were chosen by the customer, or by the quick pick system. But I might understand, why lottery organizers want to keep that information for themselves. in classic 6/49 game there are 13,983,816 possible tickets/combinations. and as most of the prizes are percentage points of a prize pool, (money being collected by lottery sale) it is quite easy to figure out number of tickets sold for each draw. And I know that again, in my national lotter... [ More ]

Reply #14

noise-gate — Thu, 24 May 2018 02:29:50 GMT

On the other side of the * Coin- CT, is seeing plenty of lottery players frequenting the store that sells the winning ticket for months on end.Why? In the hope that lady luck is hanging around to drop whatever little she has in her bag of tricks on another patron. Stack made a good case for why QP's have more winners. However, how many players ditch their self picks knowing full well, that given the data, they are at a disadvantage in winning? Since the machine has one purpose, and one only, doe... [ More ]

Reply #13

BobP — Wed, 23 May 2018 07:18:22 GMT

Sometimes it's nice to know one can still make their own luck instead of luck providing the win.

When I buy a quick pick or scratch off, winning is pure luck. When I've had a hand is selecting and wheeling the numbers the win is because I built the ticket and a ton of luck.

BobP

Reply #12

LighthouseDoug — Wed, 23 May 2018 00:58:50 GMT

Oh of course not. It's not just Misery that loves company

Richard Lustig loves it too

Reply #11

Coin Toss — Tue, 22 May 2018 23:56:40 GMT

Illinois Lotto winner - this is sure to drive some here nuts;

Latest Draw Results

MONDAY MAY 21, 2018

WINNING TICKET SOLD IN:

5 Subscription Player

....That doesn't mean 5 winners, 5 is just a code for a subscription winner.

Reply #10

Coin Toss — Tue, 22 May 2018 15:19:11 GMT

bobby623

If I was lucky enough to make all the right choices, and then brag about it with a post, my mail box would overflow with one main question - how did you do it?

Back in the days before the Internet when a lot of business was done by mail the most likely person to send a bad check to a seller was someone ordering gambling information. Not only did they want to beat the house, they wanted to 'beat' the seller out of the price too. Not only do they want to know how to win they want t... [ More ]

Reply #9

Artist77 — Mon, 21 May 2018 23:17:20 GMT

I agree 110%. Maybe that is why I never get mad or disappointed if I lose. The failure or success rested with me.

Reply #8

Coin Toss — Mon, 21 May 2018 22:47:57 GMT

With paranoia you'll never dine alone.

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Here's my theory on why so few jackpot winners write books or try to sell systems;

They know it was pure luck Once coming into that kind of money they're a wee bit more self focused and don't have time for hoopla or shenanigans.

The of course you have hype artists like the guy who promotes his material with I won the lottery 7 times which implies 7 jackpots but that's not the case.

Bark of bitt... [ More ]

Reply #7

LighthouseDoug — Mon, 21 May 2018 21:41:37 GMT

Well just a few days ago the California Lottery delayed the results for Fantasy5 for almost an hour and a half. It was very suspicious.

My mind immediately wandered and ruminated that their Virtual Ball Machine was churning out numbers that weren't favorable to them so they kept at it for...well that vast ammount of time trying to get a more convenient draw of five numbers.

Jerks eh

Reply #6

bobby623 — Mon, 21 May 2018 21:33:32 GMT

IMHO

There are a many aspects of lottery play that are interesting to a lot of folks.

Whether or not a jackpot was won with a 'self pick' ticket is one of those 'nice to know' as opposed to a 'need to know,' such as the winning numbers.

A lot of folks are happy letting the RNG in the nearest lottery terminal determine if they win or lose.

However, there are many folks, such as myself, who never buy a Quick Pick.

I have a system that I use for all my plays. If I win, it justifies a... [ More ]

Reply #5

CDanaT — Mon, 21 May 2018 21:33:04 GMT

The lottery in certain states is: .............................

I am going with racist orrrrrr a cis-phobe or bigoted towards my tickets....because I lost.........Seems like I have heard this tactic utilized in the not so distant past... I will just stick with that story because it's so true. That should win me favors because I deserve the jackpot win all to myself..

Reply #4

RJOh — Mon, 21 May 2018 19:38:56 GMT

With so many players coming to LP to claim they are picking their own numbers and winning, makes many players curious about how many others are doing the same and wondering if they might do the same with software.

Reply #3

Rook — Mon, 21 May 2018 17:09:17 GMT

Probably just pessimism about potential rigging. I don't think it's all too crazy, considering that the lottery has been successfully rigged before and was going on for several years before that guy was caught. But at the same time, I don't think there is enough of any unusual trending to get worked up over just self pick vs quick pick alone. Many people play quick picks, and so quick picks tend to have a much higher representation with winners. This makes sense. Yet, at times when those all-low... [ More ]

Reply #2

lottolaughs — Mon, 21 May 2018 16:04:37 GMT

I don't get it either. Who really cares? The winner sure doesn't, so why should we

Reply #1

rcbbuckeye — Mon, 21 May 2018 15:30:29 GMT

Then there are the yo-yo's that want an investigation everytime there is a winner.

It's fixed because that state always wins

Why the fervor over a winner being a quick pick or self pick?

Coin Toss — Mon, 21 May 2018 15:25:59 GMT

Sorry but I just don't get it.

Let's face it, regardless of the method of number selection when the numbers you played are the same ones drawn that win a jackpot it is nothing but pure blind luck.

I just don't get why some here are so curious to know.

Comments anyone?

Currently: Was it a self pick or quick pick?

Fast forward a decade: Was it a self pick or a quick pick, played by a human or a robot