Rigged Cash 3&cash 4 numbers today.Cash 3 was 658 and cash 4 was 6558?

Reply #111

KY Floyd — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:24:32 GMT

This subsequently causes the player to wager combos that they probably wouldn't even consider if they had all the data at their disposal.

The lotteries tell you that the drawings are random. They could certainly be better about not taking advantage of stupid people, but it's not reasonable to expect them to explain probability and randomness to players. That so many players think that testing has an effect on the official drawings is on those players, not the lottery.

Reply #110

grwurston — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:02:28 GMT

And another...

11/21 Mid 239

11/27 Mid 329

Reply #109

Lucky Loser — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 22:35:55 GMT

Yes, I've absolutely adjusted a long time ago. Pretty sure grwurston has, too. However, the discussion was for the OP's benefit via our personal experiences and observations of the lotteries BS draw method. So many people probably weren't even aware of what we've been covering here in terms of data and perspectives which is what I wanted to do...open some eyes and help people make better decisions if possible. It's not about me, it's not about grwurston. It's about a player spending their money... [ More ]

Reply #108

Mr-B 216 — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:51:43 GMT

This subsequently causes the player to wager combos that they probably wouldn't even consider if they had all the data at their disposal.

I understand what you are saying, but why not change the way you look at the data. In other words, track only all of the data that is available to you.

Rather than fighting the system, adjust and move forward.

Reply #107

Lucky Loser — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:01:46 GMT

Thanks, God bless you, and God bless Texas for posting its testing data! Some time ago, grwurston, I also went into this same detail on just how the natural flow of the combos is directly affected by the pre and post tests. As you've accurately stated, these tests affect what's due to happen, not happen, and reoccur based purely on the patterns. This subsequently causes the player to wager combos that they probably wouldn't even consider if they had all the data at their disposal. For example, w... [ More ]

Reply #106

Mr-B 216 — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 04:18:17 GMT

I see what you are saying, and it's quite obvious we use different methods for tracking data. You feel pre-test drawings are tampering with your ability to properly track drawings, and for me, it's as if they (pre-tests) don't even exist. My methods only require me to track official drawings. I have no interest in pre-test results, as they have no affect on how I collect and analyze my data. There is no right or wrong here, it's just a matter of what works for each of us.

My only problem here... [ More ]

Reply #105

grwurston — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 03:08:06 GMT

Here is why we object to pre testing. According to videos on drawing procedures we have seen for different states, most of them do 4 tests before the official draw and 4 tests after the official draw. (Now this may vary depending on the state, but we'll go with 4 4.) So if you have an official draw, there will be 8 tests before the next official draw. 4 tests after the last official draw, and 4 tests before the next official draw. Agreed?

Now, I will assume you keep detailed records of each d... [ More ]

Reply #104

grwurston — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 00:24:47 GMT

Bingo!!! Here's another. Back to back.

11/25 Mid 462

11/26 Mid 426

Reply #103

lucky1day — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 23:50:16 GMT

Lucky Loser, you my friend are at another level in this game. I perfectly understand where you are and they will never get it. Time to move on! I know what you know. It so profound, I would stop trying to expose it and spin more energy on how to counter the effect.

Good luck.

Reply #102

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 23:29:53 GMT

In fact, if the ball doesn't stop on (6) on the FIRST SPIN, the last two spins aren't even necessary! Get it, now?

Sorry, but no I don't. I'm really trying my best to understand your objection to pre-testing, but I'm just not seeing it yet. Are you saying that without pre-testing, there would be less repeat numbers? Are you saying that pre-testing is changing the course of natural randomness?

I did a test using Open Office RANDBETWEEN function and here are the results. I realize RANDBETWE... [ More ]

Reply #101

Lucky Loser — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:13:11 GMT

Let's approach this from a different angle. Now, we obviously know that since all the digits are still in the pool from one draw to the next then, yes, entire combinations will be drawn in the same order OVER TIME. I have no argument with this. However, when we're discussing the frequency of specific things reoccurring such as duplicated draw results during the same draw session, it becomes a dialogue about what's causing it or allowing it to happen....precursors. Sure, it's easy for a player to... [ More ]

Reply #100

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:38:42 GMT

Maryland is no different than any other state. From Feb. 1, 2016 thru Nov. 23, 2019, here are the number of times a 3 digit number has repeated within 62 drawings (~one month of D and E draws).

MO 167

OH 168

KY 179

MD 181

PA 185

CA 191

Reply #99

grwurston — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 04:20:51 GMT

From a Dec. 2017 thread.

Can three different combos repeat straight within one month in Md? Sure can.

811 9/8/17 Mid 079 11/3/17 Mid

811 9/20/17 Mid 079 11/22/17 Eve

484 9/26/17 Eve 144 11/4/17 Eve

484 9/28/17 Mid 144 11/19/17 Mid

464 9/7/17 Eve 542 11/2/17 Eve

464 9/27/17 Eve 542 11/27/17 Eve

565 8/27/17 Eve 700 7/1/17 Eve

565 9/5/17 Mid 700 7/17/17 Eve

095 8/28/17 Eve 909 7/9/17 Eve

095 9/1/17 Eve 909 7/23/17 Eve

811 9/18/17 Mid 359 7/10/17 Mid

811

Reply #98

Stack47 — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:16:50 GMT

In Ohio, 111 was drawn on January 11 and if people looked harder they could find where 776 or 476 was drawn on July 4 somewhere.

The odds of any three digit number repeating, is 1000 to one, but if it's a fact all three digits repeat twice a year, instead of talking about pre-drawing tests, rigging and cheating, collect $635 for every dollar they bet.

Reply #97

Mr-B 216 — Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:07:15 GMT

Cut and paste lost this one. Add it to the end of MD.

11/20/2019 D 114

11/20/2019 E 917

11/21/2019 D 750

11/21/2019 E 239

11/22/2019 D 690

11/22/2019 E 234

11/23/2019 D 504

11/23/2019 E 114

Reply #96

Mr-B 216 — Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:09 GMT

Here are results of straight repeats within 7 drawings, Day and Eve combined. OH, MD, and KY use mechanical Ball machines, CA and MO use computer, and PA uses both, Ball for Day and Computer for Eve.

I think this small sample size is a pretty good representation of how random can sometimes appear not to be random. Duplicates are perfectly normal, and can happen at any time and in any given drawing.

All data is from 01/01/2016 thru 11/23/2019

OH Ball (19 Found)

02/08/2016 E 038

02

Reply #95

cottoneyedjoe — Sun, 24 Nov 2019 06:20:41 GMT

It would be unusual if numbers never repeated close together.

For a lottery with one Pick 3 drawing per day, the probability that a straight combo never appears more than once in any 7-day period over the course of a year (assuming 365 days) is only 11.35% For two Pick 3 drawings per day, the probability drops to about 0.92% For three Pick 3 drawings per day, it's about 0.08%

I'd be concerned that my state lottery was non-random if close-together repeats never happened. Do you remember t... [ More ]

Reply #94

grwurston — Sun, 24 Nov 2019 04:24:12 GMT

Here they go again!!!

11/20 Eve 114

11/23 Eve 114

Let's throw a Pick 4 into the mix too.

11/21 Eve 0244

11/23 Eve 4042

Reply #93

Mr-B 216 — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:43:32 GMT

How often does it happen in KY?

Here are results for Ohio since 2014:

MON 07/07/2014 D 499

MON 07/07/2014 E 466

TUE 07/08/2014 D 499

WED 12/03/2014 E 464

THU 12/04/2014 D 018

THU 12/04/2014 E 464

MON 02/08/2016 E 038

TUE 02/09/2016 D 038

FRI 11/25/2016 E 668

SAT 11/26/2016 D 668

SAT 12/01/2018 D 896

SAT 12/01/2018 E 173

SUN 12/02/2018 D 896

SUN 12/16/2018 D 405

SUN 12/16/2018 E 405

TUE 01/01/2019 E 485

WED 01/02/2019 D 103

WED 01/02/2019 E... [ More ]

Reply #92

Lucky Loser — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:12:12 GMT

Case in point:

KY 11/22 Midday - 357

KY 11/22 Eve - 107

KY 11/23 Midday - 357

If this doesn't cause just a bit of curiosity, and, a desire to see what happened during pre- tests then I don't know what else to say. Kentucky also uses mechanical ball machines.

Reply #91

Lucky Loser — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:00:31 GMT

Very interesting responses along with data here but, I'm still seeing where the actual observe worthy point regarding the draws is constantly missed. Due to the general and basic matrix of the game, repeating digits and their corresponding combos should naturally show up in multiple draws over time. One cannot argue that as there are 1000 combinations to draw. However, my point is that the likelihood of the exact same pairs being drawn again in their exact same positions from one 'clean draw to... [ More ]

Reply #90

Stack47 — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 20:38:22 GMT

When Tennessee began their RNG drawings someone forgot to program the computer to include repeating digits in their pick-3 and pick-4 games. The results were about a month where every drawing had three and four different digits. The pick-3 odds dropped from 1000 to 1 to 720 to 1 and the pick-4 went from 10,000 to 1 to 5040 to 1.

Instead of complaining, TN players should have taken advantage of the glitch.

Reply #89

wander73 — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:24:56 GMT

What do you expect a Multistate game commission to say to you? Why write a letter? It's because they have to pull some type of excuse. Think about that for a moment. Do you think they will admit to something

Reply #88

Mr-B 216 — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:14:17 GMT

Thank you GuessWork! Exactly my point. Rather than accuse the lottery of cheating you, why not take advantage of what is being provided to you.

Reply #87

GuesssWork — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:43:22 GMT

the 7th 17th and 27th of the same month is random!

Wait i'm confused and don't understand? why not just exploit the flaw if it is one? i'm curious do players of lottery games look for patterns of that nature

Reply #86

Rngrepeats — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 04:59:52 GMT

Your free to think what you want!!#But for me i think all rng machines are set to roll out a number with a certain percentage of payout for that draw! And when a trip or high payout comes they remove the payout percentage from the system! Hence trips and quads fall! You cant tell me a number that hits on the 7th 17th and 27th of the same month is random! Just like when mr tipton the one who rigged the rng on the hot lotto told them that most rng machines hold dates and repeat to often! Do the lo... [ More ]

Reply #85

grwurston — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 03:50:49 GMT

All depends on how you like to wager. 1.00 box, 1.00 straight, 50/50, .50 combo, 1.00 combo.

Reply #84

Stack47 — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 03:02:07 GMT

Since the 357 repeated 3 times

Sure a box combo repeated, but there is a huge difference between winning $80 and $500.

Reply #83

cottoneyedjoe — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:59:12 GMT

Run this PRNG simulation of 30 pick 3 drawings

https://sagecell.sagemath.org/?z=eJx9izEOwjAQBHu_YhUaH25iIppI-UO-YOEQThA7ujNE_B6DKBHbrLQzu8PIpys6KC_3WyicE_JjEvgjYngqNi4XHBAlbJxmxVpZBcacs4DBCRLSPNmupd6gRjFAi1h2nuDQ9GhqfZZUrG_31Y95sUT09d3wG_-9rfLelV77tjfv lang=sage interacts=eJyLjgUAARUAuQ==

Click Evaluate to refresh it. Most times I've run it I've found a set of two or three drawings that have the same digits, and sometimes I find more than one set. I've often found the exact same number dra... [ More ]

Reply #82

grwurston — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 22:45:49 GMT

I wasn't trying to exaggerate anything. What I was trying to show was the pattern of how the numbers were repeating 3 and 4 days apart. That's why they're not in any chronological order.

Since the 357 repeated 3 times I listed that first, then the two 4 day apart repeats, then the two 3 day apart repeats, and finally the 9 day apart repeat. The 357 also had a 3 day apart repeat. It is what it is. Was that a random pattern or a non random pattern? I guess that's up to the individual to decide.... [ More ]

Reply #81

KY Floyd — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:55:22 GMT

You arranged the drawings in an order that exaggerates the appearance of non-randomness.

If he wants to argue that the results aren't random there's nothing wrong with putting his evidence in an order that makes it easier to show what he wants to show, and what he wants to show is that similar results happen on dates that are close together. That makes organizing them by grouping the similar numbers together perfectly sensible. I'm also sure there's no deliberate attempt to mislead us, becau... [ More ]

Reply #80

Mr-B 216 — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 15:11:01 GMT

Are you playing and you taking advantage of this random induced pattern? Looks like the lottery is throwing you a bone. Best grab it while it's there.

You arranged the drawings in an order that exaggerates the appearance of non-randomness. Look at the drawings you posted in the order they were drawn. Then look at the drawings for all of Nov. to date. You can line them up anyway you want to fit your needs, but in the end, it's all random.

You are attempting to show something that is not ran... [ More ]

Reply #79

grwurston — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 02:43:16 GMT

Just this month. And it ain't over yet. Maryland. Yeah, it's all completely random.

11/5 Mid 357

11/8 Mid 735

11/19 Eve 375

11/15 Mid 274

11/19 Mid 427

11/13 Mid 561

11/17 Eve 951

11/4 Eve 968

11/7 Mid 869

11/11 Mid 816

11/14 Mid 186

11/9 Eve 850

11/18 Eve 085

Reply #78

Hermanus104 — Tue, 19 Nov 2019 04:47:04 GMT

I've seen strange things happen in the lottery.

This once happened:

Sun, Mar 8, 2009 New York Win 4 Midday 8-0-5-6, Lucky Sum: 19

Sun, Mar 8, 2009 New York Win 4 Evening 8-0-5-6, Lucky Sum: 19

This has also happened:

Wed, Jul 27, 2005 Missouri Pick 3 Evening 0-0-0

Wed, Jul 27, 2005 Missouri Pick 3 Midday 0-0-0

I've seen this happen as well:

Sun, Dec 18, 2005 Kansas Pick 3 Evening 5-0-9

Sat, Dec 17, 2005 Kansas Pick 3 Evening 5-0-9

Fri, Dec... [ More ]

Reply #77

KY Floyd — Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:28:48 GMT

what are the 'infinite numbers?

They're all of the numbers that exist. They start at - and extend to . And they're all numbers that could be selected in a process that was absolutely random.

WHY are they eliminating those numbers

The only numbers that are eliminated are the infinite numbers that aren't part of the game. Pick 3 or 4 doesn't work when it's possible to pick numbers that are less than 0 or more than 9 (or the infinite numbers that are between 0 and 9, but not whole numbe... [ More ]

Reply #76

Stack47 — Mon, 18 Nov 2019 05:04:32 GMT

For a $4 wager, I get four chances to win $2500 and 320 chances to win $14, $24, $32, or $124. Not the worst bet I ever made.

Reply #75

Lucky Loser — Sat, 16 Nov 2019 23:06:10 GMT

Hello KY Floyd. If you will, I'd like it if you could explain the reasoning of your response to my post because, to be quite frank, I really am confused here.

Randomly selecting numbers with absolutely no control

Okay, the definition of 'random' does in fact mean no control. It just happens without any process what so ever. I'm sure you'll disagree but, you'll also be disagreeing with Merriam-Webster's definition of 'random.' In my honest opinion, they simply 'launder' the combinations un... [ More ]

Reply #74

KY Floyd — Thu, 14 Nov 2019 20:04:52 GMT

there's a *predetermined method for how they draw* which directly counters the very definition of 'random.'

You're completely confused about some combination of what the method does, why it does it, and what random is. Randomly selecting numbers with absolutely no control would mean that any of the infinite numbers that exist could be selected. The predetermined method that's used to select lottery results eliminates all of the numbers that aren't part of the game while ensuring that the sel... [ More ]

Reply #73

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 21:49:40 GMT

Way to go Stack! I guess those pesky pre-tests didn't hurt you too much then.

Reply #72

Stack47 — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 21:27:08 GMT

Every once in awhile I play 5668 in the KY Lottery and played it a few times after seeing 6558 on this thread. This morning I played $2 straight, and played four 1-Off s using 5668, 8779, 1002, and 4557 for the usual total bet of $6. Not the big bucks, but 5557 was drawn and I collected $138.

Kuntryblack did a hit and run with their conspiracy theory so I guess I can't thank them for helping win a few bucks.

Reply #71

Rngrepeats — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 21:11:27 GMT

I think in rng states we are seeing what Mr Tipton built!# Being played on all of us!! Either by the form of all lotterys in on it. Are a group that Mr Tipton leads and sends out to buy numbers! Yes i will say it someone is making a killing and will never get caught. Its the perfect crime buy cash 3 and 4 tickets that pay at the store that is not a claimer. And you pay no taxes on it you hit 40 cash 3 tickets at 500 a piece thats 20000 a draw you win.

Reply #70

Raven62 — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 17:01:38 GMT

God Is In Control of Everything and Allows Everything That Happens or Everything That Doesn't Happen

Reply #69

Stat$talker — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:50:50 GMT

I'm sorry,.. I forgot to answer your last question...

Would you and I agree that the lottery needs to make sure it's games are not predictable?

It only makes practical Business sense , in THIS case to try to achieve unpredictability... But in reality, there can NEVER be such a Game... you know why?

Because the rules of any Game starts with a limited pool of numbers... so as long as Math remains unlimited ... It will ALWAYS decipher, conquer, govern anything that is limited..!! ..It's... [ More ]

Reply #68

AllenB — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:43:10 GMT

AllenB?... Here's your WHISTLEBLOWER..!! LOL

NO! I still think it is You Stat$talker.

There are to many similarities with your Whistle Blower Report .

A lot of 2nd, 3rd hand information for starters. All fueling a firm belief that there is a Conspiracy to be exposed.

So Far you are about even with your real identity, Mr Schiff, in convincing the Deplorables that you are objective and worth listening to.

LMAO

All the Way to My Next Ticket Purchase.

Reply #67

Stat$talker — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:11:24 GMT

Ok,.. that's a better choice... but even not frustrated with them... I just like to scratch the cracks and crevices of people's intellect, to get them to see the sometimes overlooked and obvious..!

and have fun at the same time...

-Stat$talker

Reply #66

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:02:24 GMT

When I say angry, I mean angry at the lottery. Angry may have been the wrong choice of words. Maybe frustrated with the lottery is a better choice

Reply #65

Stat$talker — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:55:07 GMT

I'm curious?... Where do you get angry from?

Why I'm as cool as a Snowman on a sub-zero temperature day..!! LOL.. the Preacher's wife that performed our ceremony was curious whether I was the Groom... cause I was so cool, calm..

I'm just direct and to the point... it's not personal... I love a good debate.. !! As far as the money?... I'll keep that in mind the next time I spend YOUR money on the Lottery..!!

.... But again, as mentioned before by another member.. DO YOU WORK FOR THE LOTT... [ More ]

Reply #64

AllenB — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:52:14 GMT

By the Way, I like your Name RNGRepeats . It suggests that Repeats are your Focus.

Looking forward to what you find, If you take the Trip back in Time.

Reply #63

AllenB — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:48:45 GMT

Sounds Like a Trend that you should try to Merge with rather than Stopping Traffic and Throwing up a Caution Sign.

I would go back through your draw history to see if this phenomenon has happened before. Look for anything that is common to the Trend and Pick a Few Sets that might do the same thing.

None of this is logical. It is Random. Maybe not 100% with RNG; but, close enough. When you see something that does not look Random, Chase it before it Runs Out.

Allen

Reply #62

Rngrepeats — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:15:56 GMT

What made me start looking at it was a repeat the # 378 hit one month in tn 3 times back a few years ago on the 7th.17th.27th of the same month... That right there should be a clear sign. But everytime i ask i either get no response ..and the its rng any number can hit at anytime! Lol. I understand any number can hit at anytime but same dates and the exact same number of last draw hitting like they do is bs! Its just like saturday when they hit 210 back to back draws .the next # was 401 a number... [ More ]

Reply #61

Rngrepeats — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:07:44 GMT

If its rng its rigged! Ive been telling tn lotto about it for years! They hold dates and repeat way to much . just like saturday 210 was midday draw that night 210 again no way that should happpen.

Reply #60

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:47:37 GMT

Stat$stalker, with your mindset, I would suggest you not play the lottery any longer. I know you are playing in order to collect evidence against your lottery, but it appears to me that you are just throwing your money away, getting angry (and losing $$$) along the way. No amount of math you have will ever prove your point. Random will win every time. If you are waiting for the lottery to stop the pre-testing, you are in for a looooooong wait.

Would you and I agree that the lottery needs to m... [ More ]

Reply #59

Stat$talker — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:27:55 GMT

The Double Standards are that option the Lotteries have of how many tests to perform, and whether to accept or reject the results...

We, Players only get 1 shot, and have no choice but to accept their results...

Whats if the Official results WEREN'T random ?... Looks likes it's the other way around... They stop tests when the results are to THEIR liking..!!

Subtle manipulation of the Stats..!!

-Stat$talker

Reply #58

GuesssWork — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 09:13:52 GMT

If we as players are suppose to accept their explanation of the drawing results being random after them performing what? 2, 3, 4 pre-tests?,... They are random just not the random your looking for.When you have been taught the traditional way of looking at things this will go right over your head. It's Manipulated random in a nut shell.

why can't they accept their 1st pre-test as reasonable and acceptable random results?, or keep an already tested , properly working machine under tight s... [ More ]

Reply #57

grwurston — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 04:35:39 GMT

It's nothing personal. We're just having fun.

Reply #56

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 04:09:53 GMT

I noticed that as well, and I don't recall welcoming them here to LP...WELCOME Kuntryblack. I hope we didn't scare you away. The topic of rigged lottery drawings keeps surfacing from time to time and sometimes it gets a bit testy. It's all good

Reply #55

rcbbuckeye — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 04:05:32 GMT

LOL

Has anyone noticed that the thread starter, Kuntryblack, signed up on LP, then wrote his post, and then disappeared, not to be seen or heard again?

Probably sitting back and watching everyone go around and around and just laughing his a$$ off.

Reply #54

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 04:05:22 GMT

lb, this is the Lottery Shuffle program from last year. I believe you downloaded back then. It is no longer available for download.

Reply #53

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 04:03:31 GMT

I don't recall you asking for personal opinion, but here ya go:

Pre-tests are performed for security and to ensure and verify a fair and total random drawing will take place.

Reply #52

lakerben — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 04:02:54 GMT

It's been happening in NM also. I'm hoping to cash in on a double win with this trend. Try playing p3 111 and ,p4 1111 maybe for a couple of bucks you can capitalize on this trend.

Reply #51

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 04:00:40 GMT

Although this particular program has 2 options, random and history (look on the lower left just above Faster Results), my latest program uses 85% math and 15% random.

IMO, probability math is not enough to compete with random. Math plays a clean and pure game (predictable), while random plays dirty and chaotic (non predictable). That is why I ALWAYS combine some random in my final choices.

In my current program, I let the math do all the calculations to narrow down my choices, and then let... [ More ]

Reply #50

lakerben — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 03:56:56 GMT

Mr b where did you get this program?

Where can I get it

Reply #49

grwurston — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 03:53:55 GMT

We know that. You don't have to keep quoting the lottery officials company line verbatim. Unless maybe you work for the lottery yourself...

How about giving your own personal opinion or theories on why they do all these tests before and after each drawing, as others have.

Reply #48

Stat$talker — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 03:30:24 GMT

I agree with you , in your case of selecting what looks to be random tickets from your software..I'd also accept full blame for a similar experience..,

but when you pick your numbers from what Probability Math says should appear, then examine your tickets that are peppered with the ole 1 digit away disease ... it becomes apparent that the so-called random phenomenon is displaying intelligence.. just enough intelligence to keep from paying your tickets the jackpot?..huh...You don't have to be... [ More ]

Reply #47

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 02:22:54 GMT

How safe and secure is the Powerball drawing?

Before the drawing even starts, four pre-tests are done on the primary ball sets. The pre-tests ensure that the machines and ball sets are drawing randomly. The results are tallied at the end of the pre-tests.

If any of the officials raise a question, the ball sets are put through a set of test draws and the results are checked against standard statistical tests, Dooley said.

Before a ball set is put into use, each set is removed from serv... [ More ]

Reply #46

grwurston — Tue, 12 Nov 2019 02:13:38 GMT

We've all lost at some time or another because we cheaped out and didn't play a few extra numbers. Maybe not for a 140K win, but we've still done it.

I didn't see anyone on this thread blaming the pre tests because they lost. But it stands to reason that players numbers have come up in the pre tests. But we'll never know how many times, or how often, since Texas is the only state that publishes them.

You plug the machine in, turn it on, do a test draw, it works. Fine. Now do the official d... [ More ]

Reply #45

Mr-B 216 — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 23:52:26 GMT

About a year and a half ago, I made a decision that cost me a $140,000 jackpot. I had 20 lines to play in my 5/39 game, but decided to only play 10, and put the other $10 on pick 3. Well of course line #20 (that I didn't play) was a 5 of 5 jackpot winner. Did I blame the lottery for my loss? NO I did not. Did I blame those pesky pre-tests? No I did not. I had only myself to blame, as the choice was mine to only play $10 rather than $20, and life went on.

Reply #44

Mr-B 216 — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 22:53:30 GMT

for it is a trial in succession of the previous trials BEFORE it...and therefore, affects the probability of trial results AFTERWARDS ..!

I disagree.

In my opinion, there needs to be a higher oversight body for ALL State Lotteries..

Call your State Represenative, maybe you can get some help from them, unless you consider them to be mob like as well.

-playing a 3, 4 pick digits RELIGIOUSLY, then stop, only to have that same pick fall the very day it's NOT played..

I say shame o... [ More ]

Reply #43

Stat$talker — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:01:38 GMT

The point I am making here is that we AND the lottery have no way of knowing how the pre-tests are affecting our wins and losses.

Aye, I hear you B 216...if I may expound... what we ( those of us who oppose your point of view) are saying is that,. the pre-tests ARE affecting Players whether it's for or against our picks..we'd rather it not have any affect AT ALL..!! .. and even if the Officials can't fathom how the pre-tests might be affecting drawings, doesn't mean that it's not..the fact s... [ More ]

Reply #42

Stack47 — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 02:40:17 GMT

I'm pretty sure each lottery decides what is their fair drawing and if players don't like their process, they could research how other lotteries run their drawings. Bet they found out all live ball drawings processes are very similar too. If we're talking RNG drawings, all bets are off.

The point I am making here is that we AND the lottery have no way of knowing how the pre-tests are affecting our wins and losses

About the same as the last drawing, last week's drawings, last month, or la... [ More ]

Reply #41

Mr-B 216 — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 01:59:47 GMT

216 said lottery drawings are random and nothing about the preparations. What effects do the preparations have on the drawing?

As I see it, the pre-tests do have some effect on the number drawn in the actual live drawing. What I fail to see is how the lottery is controlling the outcome when they have no idea which machine and which ball set has been selected for that day's drawing. The pre-tests are necessary to ensure a fair drawing, and that is a fact you can't change.

Suppose today you... [ More ]

Reply #40

Stack47 — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:48:59 GMT

Most states draw the pick-4 after the pick-3 drawing so there is a one in 2500 chance those 3 digits will show in the pick-4 drawings so it's not mathematical impossible. How often does that happen

Reply #39

Stack47 — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:41:27 GMT

there's a *predetermined method for how they draw* which directly counters the very definition of 'random.'

Been a while since I watched a live drawing, but most pick-3 drawings use three containers each with ten numbered balls. Though they have a process for making sure each ball has an equal chance of being drawn, we never see it. 216 said lottery drawings are random and nothing about the preparations. What effects do the preparations have on the drawing?

But still agree the Texas pre-d... [ More ]

Reply #38

Mr-B 216 — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:05:28 GMT

Testing with numbers is their way of controlling what comes up and changing what they don't like. They are trying to control the outcome of a random event.

I have shown you info that supports my claim, so please do the same and show me some actual real proof or facts that support this claim. I'm sorry, but just your word is not good enough for me.

If their security is as good as the say it is, then why do they even need to have pre tests? You saw the Va. drawing video right? You tell me h... [ More ]

Reply #37

grwurston — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 23:34:49 GMT

Reference to question #3. They test to make sure the machines are in proper working order. Having numbers, animals, fish, or anything else on the balls would work fine if they're just testing to make sure the machine doesn't screw up. But in a way it doesn't really matter, if it's going to screw up it will. Like it was said before, it's like going outside several times a night to start your car to make sure it starts when you leave for work in the morning. If the battery is gonna die, it's gonna... [ More ]

Reply #36

Stat$talker — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:10:47 GMT

Reply #35

Lucky Loser — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:21:57 GMT

Comprehensive and often tedious security measures and drawing procedures are standard across the industry and crucial to the success of any lottery. As a general rule, all state lotteries are subject to internal and independent audits to verify that their equipment and processes are providing random results. Equipment used for drawings is regularly tested and procedures are recorded on video in the presence of witnesses. In addition, the machines are securely stored, often in a locked vault, and... [ More ]

Reply #34

Mr-B 216 — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:03:33 GMT

You ask questions that I can't answer.

As for Q. #3, what would be the purpose of pre-testing unnumbered balls that have no relevance in the drawing?

Here is a partial from MYTH #9 at the NASPL.

Comprehensive and often tedious security measures and drawing procedures are standard across the industry and crucial to the success of any lottery. As a general rule, all state lotteries are subject to internal and independent audits to verify that their equipment and processes are providing r... [ More ]

Reply #33

Lucky Loser — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 16:52:00 GMT

Can't express how much I appreciate whenever you come to the table bearing so much reason and idealistic contrasts. With five pre tests and ten balls in a tube, is it reasonable to think five different numbers would be pulled or dropped? Or no? Tell you what, let's cut it in half to only five numbers for reference and we're only dealing with (0-4). What I see here is a better chance at drawing mostly all even combos because we have 0,2, and 4...three even numbers. Sure, 1 and 3 will jump into th... [ More ]

Reply #32

Stat$talker — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 06:16:35 GMT

If we as players are suppose to accept their explanation of the drawing results being random after them performing what? 2, 3, 4 pre-tests?,...

why can't they accept their 1st pre-test as reasonable and acceptable random results?, or keep an already tested , properly working machine under tight security, ensuring no need for multiple pre-tests between drawings...

Am I and Lucky Loser the only ones that sees their self appointed multiple choice option as Double Standards?..

Reply #31

grwurston — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 04:34:40 GMT

They didn't say it in the Va. drawing video, but in most states if the same number shows up 3 times in a row in the same position during pre tests, they will do 3 more draws. If that number comes up twice in those 3, the ball set gets pulled.

Why? #1) Because they think someone may have tampered with the balls or machines. I would say that is virtually impossible given all the security procedures in place.

2) Because they think it's not random. As it said in the video, they're testing for... [ More ]

Reply #30

Mr-B 216 — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 03:51:40 GMT

Absolutely that would be okay with me. Why does the lottery NOT consider it okay?

My example of one digit being repeated was just an example. I doubt the lottery is concerned with one of 3 digits being repeated as much as all digits being repeated twice in a row. They, as do I , know it IS in the realm of possibility in a random draw. The problem is, a lot of people see it as a rigged drawing.

Have you not seen people here complain and cry foul when the same number is repeated back to bac... [ More ]

Reply #29

Mr-B 216 — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 03:35:42 GMT

From N.Y. lottery behind the scenes

About an hour before the live drawing, Vega and the crew do three run-throughs. This is to ensure the machines are working properly and everything is running like a well-oiled machine. If the same number shows up twice, they do another pretest.

From Mega Millions Security

* The drawing machines and ball sets for each game are randomly selected and certified by outside auditors, to ensure that balls and equipment allow each number an equal chanc... [ More ]

Reply #28

grwurston — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 03:32:26 GMT

Mr-B 216

If these tests reveal something that doesn't look right or fair, then they swap out the machine, and balls for another set. What if in three consecutive tests the first machine selects ball number 5. Would it be ok with you if they kept that machine in for the live draw?

Absolutely that would be okay with me. Why does the lottery NOT consider it okay? Because according to them, it is not within the statistical norms? Who are they to say what is normal and what is not in an event... [ More ]

Reply #27

Mr-B 216 — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 02:06:29 GMT

I'm not implying that all states use this same procedure, but I'd be willing to be they all have something similar in place.

https://www.valottery.com/aboutus/security

Reply #26

rcbbuckeye — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 01:49:18 GMT

I too get fed up with the lottery is rigged crowd. Common sense and looking at odds of any game will tell a rational person that lotteries have no need whatsoever to rig any games. Not to mention lotteries take 50% before the draw even takes place. If it was happening and it was discovered, it would be the end of the state's lottery. They just aren't that stupid to kill their golden goose .

But....there will always be the numbskulls that insist the lottery is rigged because the number they th... [ More ]

Reply #25

Stat$talker — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 01:46:44 GMT

...Great analogies..

Reply #24

Mr-B 216 — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 00:31:20 GMT

Unlike you Lucky Loser, I believe mechanical lottery machines are tested to validate the randomness of the balls being selected. I am paying money to the lottery for tickets, and my financial success or failure for any given drawing partially depends on their machine operating in a fair and proper manner. Security and auditing are mandatory for each and every drawing, and these pre-tests are a part of that security.

I understand what you are saying about wear and tear on machines, but I see n... [ More ]

Reply #23

Lucky Loser — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 23:33:10 GMT

As a real quick follow up, here are the Pick 4 official results from Missouri:

Wed, Nov 06, 2019 Midday 3-9-6-8 Monday, May 4, 2020 View

Tue, Nov 05, 2019 Evening 3-5-8-8 Sunday, May 3, 2020 View

Tue, Nov 05, 2019 Midday 3-7-5-8 Sunday, May 3, 2020 View

http://www.molottery.com/numbers/winning_numbers.jsp#p4

I'd bet real good money that the first pre test result after MO's 11/5 Midday was nothing like the corresponding evening official result. Same applies to... [ More ]

Reply #22

Lucky Loser — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 22:51:02 GMT

I'd like to agree and disagree with points you've made.

Lottery drawings are random

No, they aren't actually because there's a *predetermined method for how they draw* which directly counters the very definition of 'random.'

What you are seeing is 100% normal.

For the methodology they utilize, yes, this is 100% normal but definitely not normal when it comes to the spirit of what they describe as fair drawings. They disguise their version of randomness with pre tests to ens... [ More ]

Reply #21

Raven62 — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 12:50:52 GMT

Truly a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection.

A.K.A. a Coincidence: Something that's not planned or arranged but seems like it is. Technically, a Coincidence is an occurrence of events that happen at the same time by total accident.

Reply #20

cottoneyedjoe — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 02:32:37 GMT

Except for All or Nothing, GA uses actual balls for lottery drawings, not a computer PRNG. So I'm going to say highly unlikely.

Reply #19

Peepths1 — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 02:18:58 GMT

My big question is. And I don't know if anyone has the answer but is the system selling tickets connected to the system drawing the numbers.

Reply #18

cottoneyedjoe — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 02:15:56 GMT

Years ago, I contacted the State's Attorney General's Office about similar complaints, based upon the Math's suggestion of tampering...I received what I considered a most insulting response to one's intellect from an elected Official..

Lotteries and state atty general offices receive many letters from cranks claiming the lottery is rigged, as well as from well-meaning but bad-at-math folks who think the lottery is non-random. If you want a complaint to be taken seriously, there are several st... [ More ]

Reply #17

Peepths1 — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:59:24 GMT

Sounds like some stuff they'd pull in Illinois. Lol

Reply #16

Stat$talker — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:38:51 GMT

I perceived your post that way because there were no LOL s in it... plus the info about the Milky Way was just about right, .. So it was your obvious attempt to slander my info...but, I'm good if you are!

so , lets have a Cyber version of a Beer together..!! LOL.. and stop blowing up this Man's thread...

Reply #15

Mr-B 216 — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:31:24 GMT

...and you can't tell my post was a pun statement as well?

Oh don't worry, you DO indeed stand out, but NOT for the reason you think.

Reply #14

Stat$talker — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:26:15 GMT

No. Cyber buttons to push here AllenB..!!

But , I love that Adam Schiff joke you posted... that was Great..

Reply #13

AllenB — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:20:59 GMT

Sounding Off with Absurd Theories will make you Stand Out, for a while.

Eventually you will be ignored.

Which for the Rest is also a good way to wrap this up.

Reply #12

Stat$talker — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:05:39 GMT

If you can't tell that that's a pun statement in jist, and it's your only comeback,.. you really need help!

but , it's interesting to know just how curious YOU are about me..LOL..it's only because I stand out..!! LOL