Question for Wheel Design Gurus

Reply #23

KY Floyd — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:15:27 GMT

My number picking strategy starts with eliminating most calendar numbers

Is there any chance that you're not so very stupid that you completely failed to understand my plainly stated reason for eliminating most calendar numbers

Reply #22

Stat$talker — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:11:45 GMT

He's a Pot watcher,

He's a Pot watcher,

Watchin Loot go by,

As he Phi-loso-phy...!! (Melody from Girl Watcher )

... the nerve of his double standards...!!

-Stat$talker

Reply #21

lucky1day — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:36:36 GMT

Jordan Stuart Ellenberg is an American mathematician who is a professor of mathematics at the University of Wisconsin Madison. His research involves arithmetic geometry. He received both his A.B. and Ph.D. from Harvard University.

This Moron on this board really loves the sound of his keyboard in the mornings. Mr. ky, Care to post your credentials delicate genius

Reply #20

Stat$talker — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 10:00:33 GMT

He would have been a moron to listen to you or anyone else who would tell him that he could eliminate some numbers

My number picking strategy starts with eliminating most calendar numbers

Ooh, so you can have a number eliminating strategy, but anyone else is a moron that entertains such an idea?...

What I think , is that the LAWS of Math tells you what really happening...!!

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Reply #19

KY Floyd — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 04:25:23 GMT

each number has an equal chance of appearing, but that's NOT what the LAW OF LARGE NUMBERS bares out

I'm not sure what you think is happening, but I suspect you're confused about what the equal chance of appearing means. Having an equal chance of being drawn in each individual drawing doesn't mean that we would expect each each number to be drawn an equal number of times.

He should've hooked up with a Statistician

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Reply #18

Stat$talker — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 09:03:54 GMT

I see your point regarding your number picking strategy...

So, that means you mostly end up with high numbers?.. am I correct in assuming that?..say as in numbers above 31 ?

I know that we're told that technically, each number has an equal chance of appearing, but that's NOT what the LAW OF LARGE NUMBERS bares out..at least in MY studies and analysis...

The more times a trial( test, drawing) is conducted, the probability of certain BIAS statistical tendencies converges..thus making some... [ More ]

Reply #17

KY Floyd — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 06:40:03 GMT

I'm using a wheel that's very simple and very small. In fact, maybe I should call it a spot. I eliminate all of the numbers that I don't fill in on the play slip, and play the 6 that are left. In fact, it's not really even 6 numbers. It's 5 numbers and 1 number, since I'm playing MM and PB and the bet slips require a 5+1 combination. I do have a 6 number wheel for NY Lotto, but they've very nearly broken the game. It starts at $2 million and now it only increases by 100k per drawing, so I haven... [ More ]

Reply #16

Stat$talker — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 15:33:05 GMT

What the people who promote wheels don't usually mention is that unless you wheel at least half of the numbers they're more likely to guarantee that you'll lose.

reduce the amount of tickets, but still offer the guarantee

That's exactly what I do. for MM and PB I eliminate almost all of the numbers and play wheels that only require 1 ticket. If the numbers I play win I'm guaranteed to win the jackpot. The wheel also guarantees that I won't lose anything over $2.

Yea, it's true that y... [ More ]

Reply #15

cottoneyedjoe — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 07:24:57 GMT

Covering designs are a topic of general mathematical interest and not everyone who works them out is actually going out and buying that many tickets, nor encouraging others to do so. For some it's like doing the Times crosswords, if nothing else it'll stave off dementia. The only money to be made from wheels is selling them to others who don't know how to create them. Anyone who's actually buying 84 or 210 or 252 tickets per drawing should put down their Howard and Bluskov books and call the pro... [ More ]

Reply #14

KY Floyd — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 06:44:07 GMT

There is a chapter where he discuss the MIT guys the took advantage of the Massachusetts Cash Winfall roll down lottery. He was trying to figure out whether the MIT guys utilized some sort of algorithm.

He sounds like he might be too stupid to write a book that's worth reading. There was no need for an algorithm, because a rolldown resulted in a statistical probability of a payout that was more than $1 for every $1 you bet, so all you had to do was bet enough to have results that are statist... [ More ]

Reply #13

Stat$talker — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 01:49:18 GMT

Yea, that I am,.. but I said at least that..Not trying to hide anything here...

Those results are just a test, before I expand it to higher wheel number count..!

I'm thinking outside the box... If it's consistent with 10n 5 if 5.. then it will be as consistent when I expand the same Mathematical properties to higher count wheels... get it?

I figure, by the time I get it up to 30n 5 if 5.. it'll still perform comparatively as the 10n wheel .. and at around 18-20,000 less combinations..... [ More ]

Reply #12

Mr-B 216 — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:32:44 GMT

I've tested it, by putting in any 5 winning numbers, then randomly choosing the remaining 5 to complete the 10n... and it's always there, so it works..

Putting in 5 winning numbers tells me you are testing AFTER the drawing. Try testing BEFORE the drawing with 10 random numbers of your choice and get back to us. It appears you are not comparing apples to apples here.

Reply #11

cottoneyedjoe — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:15:58 GMT

I've tested it, by putting in any 5 winning numbers, then randomly choosing the remaining 5 to complete the 10n

Now it sounds like you're describing a pick 10 game, like 10-spot keno or NY Pick 10.

Note there is a difference between the terms 5 of 5 and 5 if 5. I don't know if you're making a typo all the time or you don't understand the language used to describe wheels (also called combinatorial designs, covering designs, combinatorial covers, or combinatorial covering designs -- all... [ More ]

Reply #10

Stat$talker — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 17:20:28 GMT

Whaatsup B 216?

I figured you'd surface on this one..

Combinatorical Wheels reduces the amount of tickets, but still offer the guarantee..by causing the chosen numbers to work together in the minimal amount of combinations that still guarantees the 5 of 5 .,or whatever tier guarantee you're trying to achieve...

It's a Mathematical shortcut ..it's possible..but one must think outside the box ...that's as much as I can say..

It's my drawing board answer to the ole 1 digit away disease... [ More ]

Reply #9

Mr-B 216 — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 15:18:48 GMT

I'm not asking you to reveal your wheel here, but can you explain to me your understanding of what it means to guarantee a 10 number, 5 of 5? I'm thinking we are not on the same page here.

My understanding is this:

I choose 10 numbers in my 5/39 game.

I wheel those 10 numbers and end up with 252 lines to play, with a guarantee 5 of 5 win if any 5 of my 10 numbers are drawn.

Reply #8

Stat$talker — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 08:27:42 GMT

Sorry, my mistake... I didn't check... I recalled seeing 210, but now that you mention it.. Yea , it is 252.. But, the wheel, still guarantees 5 of 5...in 84 combinations... I've tested it..that's what Combinatorical arrangements are about,.. reducing the combinations, but still guaranteeing the 5 of 5...

-Stat$talker

Reply #7

cottoneyedjoe — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 07:02:51 GMT

A full wheel 5 if 5 of 10 for a pick 5 game has 252 tickets. See: https://www.lotterypost.com/wheels/pick5

Not sure where you're getting 210. The full wheels can't be reduced while maintaining the guarantee because they are designed to match the full set, not a subset. A full wheel that has 210 tickets is a 6 if 6 of 10 for a pick 6 game, as seen here: https://www.lotterypost.com/wheels/pick6

You must be referring to some abbreviated wheel with a size of 210 that you were able to reduce.... [ More ]

Reply #6

Stat$talker — Tue, 19 Nov 2019 19:01:21 GMT

Yea, that's what you have to do..reduce the amount of tickets, but still offer the guarantee.. it's hard to do, tedious, but Combinatorical Math says it's possible..

take for instance a 10n 5-pick full wheel, requires 210 combinations in offering a 5 of 5 guarantee,... I designed a Combinatorical wheel that will do the same in 84 combinations...I call it a Black Hole wheel..!! .. can't get away!.. Like an Anaconda, squeezes til ya lights go out...

ANA-CONDA plan on using it on that illusiv... [ More ]

Reply #5

lucky1day — Mon, 18 Nov 2019 18:05:24 GMT

Thanks guys

Reply #4

timmsy — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 12:04:40 GMT

code for a wheel for 1..40 of 5 numbers change $num to yourown number eg 34,3,2,33 $num = 34,3,2,33,1,22,6

$num = 1..40

$try1 = $num

$try2 = $num

$try3 = $num

$try4 = $num

$try5 = $num

$try6 = $num

foreach ($line in $try1)

{

foreach ($line1 in $try2)

{

foreach ($line2 in $try3)

{

foreach ($line3 in $try4)

{

foreach ($line4 in $try5)

{

$tline = ($line,$line1,$line2,$line3,$line4) -join( , )

$e = $tline.Split( , )| select unique

$nu... [ More ]

Reply #3

BobP — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 06:07:00 GMT

If you are trying to make a Key/King/Monarch number wheel with one number the same in every line using CoverMaster try this.

For a six number wheel with one key number, setup to make a five number wheel one number less then the size of the wheel, then using the drop down menu expand the grid from five numbers to six. CM will ask you if you want to specify a specific number or random, a specific number will put the same number on every line.

For two key numbers, setup to make a four n... [ More ]

Reply #2

lucky1day — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 02:20:55 GMT

Great information! Thanks cottoneyedjoe, I really appreciate your quick reply.

Reply #1

cottoneyedjoe — Sat, 16 Nov 2019 23:37:14 GMT

It's a special type of combinatorial design called a steiner system. Explation https://www.dmgordon.org/steiner/ and cover https://ljcr.dmgordon.org/cover/LARGE/C_48_6_5.html

The second link is very large, so don't click it if your device can't handle 285,384 lines of text on a webpage.

Question for Wheel Design Gurus

lucky1day — Sat, 16 Nov 2019 22:10:50 GMT

I Read Book called How Not To Be Wrong by Jordan Ellenberg.

There is a chapter where he discuss the MIT guys the took advantage of the Massachusetts Cash Winfall roll down lottery. He was trying to figure out whether the MIT guys utilized some sort of algorithm.

He mentioned a combinatorial design paper by R.H.F Denniston Some New 5-Designs and give an example of the first few combination in the design. Here is a brief excerpt from the book:

Denniston wrote down a list of 285,384 six-n... [ More ]