Chasing random mathematically. Is there an underlying organization?

Reply #41

AllenB — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:35:48 GMT

No need to comment. I did not see you earlier Post. I will go thru it now.

Reply #40

Greenfox — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:35:01 GMT

You have the order correct. I was reading it one way and seeing it as you wrote it, but in your findings, the order is as it should be.

You have the order correct as it is on mine exactly.

Reply #39

AllenB — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:32:09 GMT

Yes, it is the same process as I Posted Earlier.

I would still like to clear up you comment about changing the Order of the Moves.

Thanks

Reply #38

Greenfox — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:25:50 GMT

Is this the same patterns coming about per movement or what Allen? I see 4 different states and 5 sets for each and am just guessing that is what it is.

Baby steps yes. LOL It's been many years I've been working on this and it's been that the whole way.

We will get it though. Gonna look more at what you've been doing to these to get it in my head correctly, then go from there.

The main thing about these is when using it as a whole. With tracking all the movements that I'm using, it real... [ More ]

Reply #37

Greenfox — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:17:41 GMT

Didn't mean to confuse you there AB.

I see now that you have it the same. I just got confused by the way you showed it here:

OO= Odd Game Number and an Odd Number Draw

EO= Even Game Number and an Even Draw

OE= Odd Game Number and an Even Draw

EE= Even Game Number and an Even Draw

Your draws do match up to mine, so you've got it correct. As far as the way I have it. Anyway, anyone wants to do it though is their choice.

The part about the 369 game and 370 is the key to... [ More ]

Reply #36

AllenB — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:15:06 GMT

I ran 100 Games for the Following Games. Not very impressive results. It will come down to Looking at the Black and White Pattern that seems to often come in consecutive hits of around 3 or 4 Games, Followed by misses that have the same Pattern. Baby Steps!

100 CA NC TX OH

P1 45 45 40 55

P2 56 47 49 49

P3 40 45 54 50

P4 50 55 65 49

P5 57 55 43 52

Reply #35

Greenfox — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 21:57:24 GMT

You can do it for sure. We all can if we get our minds right.

Sounds like you're seeing some good stuff there. I'd see what numbers was hot and the year it was. See if there was any correlation and/or anomalies. Has to be a reason if you are seeing that kind of trend or any trend. Maybe see if those numbers seemed to fall on or around a certain day or month. Something like that.

You're spot on with the mind. I've talked myself out of more wins or correct choices than I can count. I just ti... [ More ]

Reply #34

AllenB — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 20:02:08 GMT

Oh yeah. If you are keeping your data as below, you'll need to reverse the EO and the OE to put them as odd, odd, even, even. That may have something to do as to why you was initially getting the different results.

OO

EO

OE

EE

Below are My Results for Position 1. I have the same 4 Digits as You Show so I think My Order is Correct. Your Statement has me Scratching My Head.

Game

P1

OO

EO

OE

EE

O=1 E=2

OO

EO

OE

EE

Reply #33

OhSoClose — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:26:52 GMT

Thanks for the inspiration, GF. Haven't found the formula yet, but the deeper I dig, the more convinced I am that there is something there. I found much more evidence that the hot Pick 3 numbers appear to trend within a given year. That is, if a number gets hot during a year, it tends to stay hot that year and then go cool or cold for multiple years before getting hot again.

The trick in being careful with this stuff is that the human mind is built as an inference engine. We learn and grow by... [ More ]

Reply #32

Greenfox — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 02:12:44 GMT

It looks like they are onto something for sure. That's good! Even if it was just a belief that gets their wins. I'd say it's more than that though if they are doing what you say. Where there's a will, there's a way.

With this, it's more of a pattern runs, then something happens and the pattern changes. It wants to run that for a spell, then change again. It's crazy when you take it all in. That many movements and getting that kind of results? I did not know at the time of starting this what e... [ More ]

Reply #31

Greenfox — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:10:40 GMT

Hello AB,

There are some, quite a few actually that will only show up on odd draws and that will only show up on even draws. You will never see 2-2-2-2 on an odd draw with just one book of stats. 6 of my books actually you will never see that. Likewise, there are some of the counters that you will never see occur on the even counted draws.

The way this is set up, it does force the numbers to spread out and sets them on their own path but it is the numbers movements themselves that make it

Reply #30

AllenB — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:50:17 GMT

I was intrigued by this Idea when Greenfox first posted here.

In essence it comes down to a 4 Digit Number that represents the Right Digit of the Hit Counts of the following. The First Letter is the Game being Odd or Even. The Second Letter is for the Draw being Odd or Even.

OO

EO

OE

EE

OO= Odd Game Number and an Odd Number Draw

EO= Even Game Number and an Even Draw

OE= Odd Game Number and an Even Draw

EE= Even Game Number and an Even Draw

This produc... [ More ]

Reply #29

OhSoClose — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:45:50 GMT

Here's what I found about statistically higher-than-you'd-expect Pick 3 hits in PA, going back to 2000. Everything I'm talking about is box hits.

890 has hit 8 times so far in 2020, 5 times mid-day, 3 times evening. 3 of the 5 mid-day were on Mondays and the other 2 were Saturdays.

There have been 77 hits on 890 since 2000. After 2020, next highest number of hits was 2007 with 6 times, 4 day and 2 evening. Next 2 highest were 2019 and 2012 with 5 each (both had 4 day, 1 eve).

I don't h... [ More ]

Reply #28

OhSoClose — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 14:13:41 GMT

Thanks, GF!

I'll do as you suggest and look back at other years to see if/when the year seems to trigger bursts of same number. One of the most successful predictors in the PA Pick 3 forum has posted clues to the system he uses to predict. He hasn't posted the entire system (and I certainly don't blame him for holding his cards close to the vest) but in what he has posted, he said the key is looking at the past 2 draws for a game and the current date of the draw.

I haven't stumbled on the... [ More ]

Reply #27

Greenfox — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 11:11:52 GMT

Hi OhSoClose,

I'm not sure that hardly any is sure of what I'm doing. Mostly because I'm not really a talker and not good at explaining things being the reason.

I've seen how to exploit this and use that every time I play, but want to know why it's doing what it is.

I've done the same as you are saying about the patterns. I know the patterns are there and do grow. They also worm in and out of each other to kind of intertwine them into one. It is definitely weird. The patterns are there... [ More ]

Reply #26

OhSoClose — Wed, 01 Jul 2020 11:47:25 GMT

GF,

I've gone through your videos and Excel docs enough to know that I get maybe 5% of what you're doing. I think your conclusion at this point is that I'm not sure what causes this pattern, but there is a pattern. This being a forum devoted to playing/hitting the lottery, the next logical step would be to find a way to exploit this pattern to help predict lottery numbers.

Something that's happened to me multiple times when playing Pick 3, Pick 4, and Pick 5 games is that I look over the p... [ More ]

Reply #25

OhSoClose — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 17:35:48 GMT

GF,

Still following this thread with much interest. Thanks for sharing. I've dloaded the Excel docs and will go over them later today. Will post thoughts later.

Fascinating stuff

Reply #24

Greenfox — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 03:51:09 GMT

Seeing some are not understanding what I'm doing here so I made this to help explain it better. Hope it helps.

Reply #23

Greenfox — Sun, 28 Jun 2020 07:19:05 GMT

Saw those last 2 books was getting a few downloads. If anyone is thinking they are a system of some sorts, they are not. It is results of the movements that the numbers from the NC Cash 5 have made that I track. One would have to know all the movements that is tracked to know what exactly what is what with it to fully understand it. It is actually all the movements that I track, them simplified and the results of each.

You might pick up on some of what I do through them, but not going to be m... [ More ]

Reply #22

Greenfox — Sun, 28 Jun 2020 06:18:30 GMT

You're welcome

Reply #21

ram — Fri, 26 Jun 2020 12:01:42 GMT

Thanks Greenfox, much appreciated.

Ram.

Reply #20

Greenfox — Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:10:54 GMT

Setting here pondering what I just posted here, https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/330954/6334792 , this crazy mind of mine noticed the passing corners of that with the 11,22,33. Thinking about how the counter combinations want to use the 0011, 0022, 0033 etc. along with the 11,22,33 differences in counter combinations.

Just a note so I do not forget.

Reply #19

Greenfox — Fri, 26 Jun 2020 03:02:09 GMT

Hello ram,

I guess you're a numbers cruncher also?

Here is the results totals book if you or anyone else is interested in looking into it.

All occurred counters for the NC Cash 5 witb totals

Here is the totals results all in one with the math patterns from the last video also. This book is the totals results from all the movements that the numbers here have made.

Excel book on the movements results per position.

Thanks for the interest and best of luck!

T... [ More ]

Reply #18

ram — Thu, 25 Jun 2020 20:50:44 GMT

Greenfox, I just saw your post. If you decide to post a link to the book, I would like to see what you have, Thanks,

Ram.

Reply #17

Greenfox — Thu, 25 Jun 2020 12:41:04 GMT

This video is an extension of what I've been showing on the counters patterns and the patterns that numbers make in general with the just standard mathematics. Or at least how I see them.

I also have the book that you see above uploading if anyone is interested in seeing what they can see with it. If there is no interest in it, I won't bother putting any links to it. I'll just keep it there for a backup.

Reply #16

Greenfox — Thu, 25 Jun 2020 12:34:34 GMT

I have ran through all the movements that have happened for each position and got all the totals. Made a little video to show some of it. When I do things like this, I'm looking for anything that looks out of the ordinary or for whatever my brain tells me to look at.

Anyway, I took all the movements by position for the 9 movements that I track. I then separated the totals so that I know what the most combinations was for each occurrence by each position, then down to how many times that eac... [ More ]

Reply #15

Greenfox — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 04:46:23 GMT

Had to chase that $1.3 million jackpot so bought a few tickets.

Picks 4 and 5 was QP's that I cycled thru till I saw ones that caught my eye.

I'd still be here petting this pup and working on it if I'd hit it anyway. Not really anything out there I want or need so as long as she eats, and not garbage like she was before I got her, it's all good.

Stay safe, take care and best of luck all

Reply #14

Greenfox — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 23:46:58 GMT

It's seeming that I need to explain what this is a little better. The results posted are made from tracking one movement of a 5 draw game as to whether or not that winning (chosen) number was odd or even. I do not just track one game to the next on this movement. I number each draw 1,2,3,#,#,etc.

From there, take draw 1. The result will be odd or even. The first draw will be 1 time for whatever result. Draw 2 will be the same. Either it will be odd or even and whatever that result is it will... [ More ]

Reply #13

Greenfox — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 20:03:17 GMT

Hello dr san,

You're not even starting to understand what this is. This is a direct result of the movements. This is from every movement of one position, from start to now, as to whether the result of this pick position was odd or even. This is but one movement that it has made completely and the results of that movement.

A number has to have an outcome to know what to track. After it makes that movement, it becomes a result. When you get enough results, then you can start tracking. Once a... [ More ]

Reply #12

dr san — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 11:19:30 GMT

hello grenn, but before the 9 moves you have to take into account the three basic patterns of the last draw reference which are bigger, smaller and equal (repeat) in each vertical position in a lottery that has 5 numbers

we have 243 strings at 100%

where greater = worth 3

where minor = worth 2

and equal is = 1

can post if you want in any draw you can simulate trillions of times it will give you 243 patterns in 100% advantage that you are not starting from scratch but from the last... [ More ]

Reply #11

Greenfox — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 05:45:26 GMT

Well hello again AB!

Hope you've been staying safe there and things are looking up for ya!

I hadn't heard from you in a spell and assumed you have just been busy.

Yeah, you kinda have to track the numbers to see what they are doing. Kinda hard to get any concrete evidence on a guess. I know you though and know you are digging away also. I always did like how you added the series patterns to the outcome. I've just not been able to get an understanding on how to apply it to what I've been... [ More ]

Reply #10

Greenfox — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 05:14:12 GMT

Now here is the results of the combinations that have yet to occur. Notice the 11 differences that you see.

One thing that REALLY threw me off guard here is down toward the bottom(ish) more. You will see a ton of 11's here with the occasional 10 threw in there. But further down you will see some numbers that don't make sense showing up. There is the occasional 1 in here also BTW. But there is four numbers that show up that look really out of place. I'll let whomever really wants to know what... [ More ]

Reply #9

Greenfox — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 05:02:51 GMT

I've taken the results of every movement, added a few sheets to lay out the findings and see what else I can find out. With my brain, (what little is left of that is), I get an idea and go with it. I never question as to why the idea. I just go with it and see where it leads. It's lead me to where I am now so, it has to be something. It's the only way I know to do anything or to get anything figured out.

I took all the results from all that I have been tracking and compiled them onto that one... [ More ]

Reply #8

AllenB — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 04:54:46 GMT

Greenfox,

I also attempt to Guess the Odd Even by Position on the California Fantasy 5 Game. I also use this for Super Lotto and apply it to the 5 Positions and the Mega Number.

Results for the 2 Digit OE Value for the Last 1000 Draws. The OE Value is the Odd Count in the First Digit and the Even Count in the Second. The Last Draw was 41==4 Odd and 1 Even.

2 Digit OE Pattern

1000

Fantasy 5 Draws

Pattern

Hits

%

05

17

1.7%

14

Reply #7

Greenfox — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 04:22:00 GMT

Thanks again!

I believe there is. There is something that is going on with the kind of results I'm seeing delving deeper into looking at this.

Cutting the numbers down to choose from isn't that hard to be honest. It's knowing what direction to go that's been the problem. But if one knew to choose odd/even and choose up/down, imagine the results.

We'll see what happens.

Best of luck, stay safe and thanks again

Reply #6

OhSoClose — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 14:39:04 GMT

Fascinating work. Obviously there's something driving the pattern. The trick is just to figure out how to use that knowledge to make better sets of candidate numbers to play. I'll need to watch this multiple times to digest it better, but it looks like you've found something extremely interesting!

Thanks for sharing.

Reply #5

Greenfox — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 13:50:59 GMT

For what it's worth, here it is. This is one part PA Treasure Hunt (RNG computer generated draws) and one part NC Cash 5 (ball and hopper draws).

One thing I have done since uploading this is take all the combos that happened the most and summed them up to a single digit to look for patterns there or just anything that stood out. Both are very similar again in that area. I couldn't start to explain it without some picture visuals what I see. That will come later. One would have to know everyt... [ More ]

Reply #4

Greenfox — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 13:26:53 GMT

It's almost identical, but with slight differences. The video will show what I'm talking about better than I can explain it.

I'm not sure how one would tap into how the hoppers work, unless there is some underhanded way to do so. That leads me to believe it's either guided somehow or we are just throwing our money down the toilets. Seeing this and what I have anyway. I can only say on what I have seen that it seems to be guided by something.

The random I've seen, looking at it from a more... [ More ]

Reply #3

OhSoClose — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:25:26 GMT

Very interested in seeing your video. It's both puzzling and encouraging to hear you're seeing similar pattern when comparing RNG and hopper draws. That suggests a possibility that either the RNG draws model whatever pattern of near-randomness is baked into the hopper draws. Either that or something is driving the numbers that has little to do with the actual entities running the drawings. Perhaps the numbers are dancing to a song the universe sings to them (if that's not too frilly a way to say... [ More ]

Reply #2

Greenfox — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:01:10 GMT

Hello OhSoClose and thank you!

The further down I dig, the more I see that it's the same thing over and over to be honest. As far as the inner process that is. It's always some little something that does set it apart and make each different it seems. Or maybe I've just not dug deep enough yet? Not sure there. Not scared of getting dirty here so, I'll keep digging away. But the way it seems to work is pretty much identical for each game. I actually just did a video of the Treasure Hunt from yo... [ More ]

Reply #1

OhSoClose — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:03:53 GMT

Excellent post, as usual, GF. Your posts are always interesting and very thought-provoking. I agree that it appears that what should be random, appears to be less than random, at least sometimes. The numbers dance in patterns for awhile before returning to apparent chaos. Something does appear to be driving the draws, at least some of the time, or at the very least has its thumb on the scale of randomness. But what? And how to peek behind the curtains to glimpse which levers are being pulled? In... [ More ]

Chasing random mathematically. Is there an underlying organization?

Greenfox — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 04:17:42 GMT

Since this is nothing that can be changed in the games, or at least has not been in 14 years now of a game, I wanted to share some findings. I really don't see how it could be changed so I guess it doesn't matter anyway if it is known knowledge. It's only a part of what I've been working on anyway and won't get into all of it.

I track 9 different movements for each position. Even/odd, up/down for the numbers is pretty much what everyone does, but I take it quite a few steps further than just... [ More ]