Number of Combo's with Same Last Digit for 5/36 Matrix

Reply #34

garyo1954 — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 16:02:30 GMT

Last post on this one...(I hope)

To feel comfortable with the percentage of error in the counts, I had to do the Florida Fantasy Five game for some idea of acceptable error. So we ran 9320 game data from 1995 to Oct 1, 2021.

The results....

Total

9320

Different 40.72%

3795

DTr 123 124 125 134 135 145 234 235 245 345 Totals

0 5 3 2 7 0 3 2 3 0 25

Five 0

Four 1234 1235 1245 1345 2345

1 3 0 1 1 6

Triples 123 124 125 134 135 145 234 235 2... [ More ]

Reply #33

garyo1954 — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 00:22:43 GMT

Ran the whole 5/36 matrix this morning. Charted pairs, triples, and quads like so.....

Index x1 x2 x3 x4 x5 Digit Count Pos

179519 5 6 26 27 35 5 15754 15

179519 5 6 26 27 35 6 7562 23

38520 1 11 16 26 31 1 101 125

38520 1 11 16 26 31 6 1815 34

229141 6 16 21 26 36 6 50 1245

213 1 2 3 11 21 1 1 145

Index is the count in the matrix. X1-X5 is the combination. Digit is the digit falling more than once in the combination. Count is the count of the va... [ More ]

Reply #32

garyo1954 — Sun, 03 Oct 2021 00:46:13 GMT

This is first run stuff so, don't get me lying....need to double check the code and make any changes. Then run it again.

Five 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Totals

12345 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Four 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

1234 0 5 4 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 15

1235 0 9 9 9 9 9 9 0 0 0 54

1245 0 9 9 9 9 9 9 0 0 0 54

1345 0 9 9 9 9 9 9 0 0 0 54

2345 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Triples 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

123 15 121 96 75 58 45 36 36 28 21 531

124 54 306 261 21... [ More ]

Reply #31

GiveFive — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 20:47:49 GMT

I get why people dont really understand that the lottery can be played intelligently.

They lead busy lives, and probably don't have the time or inclination to take a deep dive into it. What little they do understand is that the odds make it almost impossible to win. That's fine...to each his own. Other people possess deeper knowledge/understanding of things that I have little to no knowledge of and am not interested in knowing.

For me, I enjoy studying how the numbers behave. It's one of m... [ More ]

Reply #30

dr san — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 20:07:31 GMT

five hello this if you divide the 5/36 lottery into 4 groups of 9 numbers, always one of the 4 groups will have two numbers in the worst case and a group may have more than two, why? because we have 4 groups and 5 numbers one of the 4 groups will have at least two in 100% you can check this, of course you don't know which of the 4 groups has to do in the 4 editions, it already reduces a lot of numbers this

Reply #29

dr san — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 20:06:02 GMT

Reply #28

KY Floyd — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 16:55:06 GMT

Have you ever read a news story about people who die in Yosemite because they waded out into a stream just a short distance upstream of a 300' waterfall?

A lot of people don't think things through. Sometimes the likely result of something should be fairly obvious, and sometimes you need to know something that's not just common sense. Plenty of people are influenced by their own preconceptions, too.

Reply #27

GiveFive — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:59:41 GMT

That's the thing... most players are casual players, they either don't care about playing smartly, or aren't even aware that some people are playing smartly.

You can see it with Quick Picks. Many times people have told me I only buy QP's because QP's win the most jackpots.

That's true I tell them. It's a function of the fact that 75% of all lottery tickets sold are QP's. The pool of QP's is three times larger than the pool of player picks. Which pool do you think has the best chance of... [ More ]

Reply #26

GiveFive — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:45:46 GMT

It happened on August 28 of 2012 when 1 3 5 7 9 was drawn. G5

Reply #25

db101 — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:12:01 GMT

I remember this in Fla. I think it was a bunch of people playing consecutive odd numbers like 3 5 7 9 11 or something similar.

Reply #24

db101 — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:09:42 GMT

Thanks for computing those numbers. Half the results having an AABCDE units digit distribution tracks with my observation of 6/53.

Reply #23

lottobrain — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:52:57 GMT

For further examples of either card marking patterns, etc., do a resources search above for 50 winners and you will be linked to an article that was posted here on Lottery Post about 50 jackpot winners in Mass. When you get there, to the right of that article are links to several other stories about Florida Fantasy 5 multiple winners using pattern type playing. Many players that decide to pick their own numbers, but do not study lottery or even understand that some people do, will pick their num... [ More ]

Reply #22

garyo1954 — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 03:44:51 GMT

Did a little but need to go back and fix some things before continuing work on adding the 2 of kind, three of a kind, etc....

376864 27 32 33 35 36 5 2 5 1 0 0 0 1 0 163 14 23 37 1 2

376865 27 32 34 35 36 6 2 5 1 1 0 0 1 0 164 14 24 38 2 3

I X1 X2 X3 X4 X5 TD FD BD PR TR3 CN4 CN5 2P DT S FS BS TS RS ET

376866 27 33 34 35 36 6 2 5 1 1 1 1 1 0 165 14 25 39 3 2

376867 28 29 30 31 32 6 2 5 1 1 1 1 1 0 150 13 20 33 6 3

376868 28 29 30 31 33 6 2 5 1 1 1 0 1 0 151 13... [ More ]

Reply #21

GiveFive — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 01:07:24 GMT

I can see it now: Hey boss... I didn't really mean it when I told you what a moron I think you are and to take this job and shove it. G5

Reply #20

KY Floyd — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 22:14:04 GMT

What doesn't make sense to me is players actually doing something like that.

They don't necessarily realize what they're doing. I once worked with somebody who played 1,2,3,4,5,6 because he figured nobody else would do it. People who play patterns may think nobody else would play something so obvious, or they may not realize how much it will reduce the payout. It's also possible that on any given day some people just have a hunch those numbers will win. Whatever reason they had for playing t... [ More ]

Reply #19

cottoneyedjoe — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 17:22:36 GMT

You listed all the categories, there's only 11.

A A A A A A: 3

A A A A A B: 1182

A A A A B B: 8175

A A A A B C: 79950

A A A B B B: 7500

A A A B B C: 563100

A A A B C D: 1605520

A A B B C C: 180125

A A B B C D: 4621575

A A B C D E: 11292225

A B C D E F: 4598125

total = 22957480

Almost half of them are of the A A B C D E pattern

Reply #18

GiveFive — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 15:41:52 GMT

Thanks!

I was looking for the number of combos using only the very last digit of each of the five winning numbers that are drawn and ignoring the other variations. As you've correctly pointed out, there are combo's that can look like this ==== 03 13 18 28 33 (I actually and stupidly played that very combo in FF5 yesterday!)

149,208 is the number of combo's out of 376,992 that have all last digits being different - A B C D E That's what I was looking for, as well as 184,308 being the numbe... [ More ]

Reply #17

db101 — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 15:17:16 GMT

Can you do the same last digits breakdown for Florida Lotto if you have time? It's a 6/53 game and I imagine a lot more patterns to consider. At least 10, but I'm for sure missing some:

aaaaaa

aaaaab

aaaabb

aaaabc

aaabbb

aaabbc

aaabcd

aabbcc

aabbcd

aabcde

abcdef

Thanks

Reply #16

cottoneyedjoe — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 15:04:10 GMT

Okay, I ran a new script, not too much extra work to tweak the old one.

149208: all different last digits (pattern A B C D E) 184308: one pair of same last digits (pattern A A B C D) 29268: two pairs of same last digits (pattern A A B B C) 12828: one triple of last digits (pattern A A A B C) 1188: last digits make a full house (pattern A A A B B) 192: one quadruple of last digits (A A A A B)

Hopefully this is the correct interpretation of your question!

(python code url in case y... [ More ]

Reply #15

dr san — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 14:59:25 GMT

0 0 2 3

0 0 3 3

0 1 1 1

0 1 1 2

0 1 1 3

0 1 2 2

0 1 2 3

0 1 3 3

Reply #14

dr san — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 14:58:44 GMT

hello five 30 selt 2021

01 10 11 15 17

0 1 1 1

Reply #13

dr san — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 14:53:15 GMT

hello five, of course within the 35 formations of the inicail digit of the 5/36

there is a formation that will never be drawn ex = 0000 or 3333 very difficult to be drawn you will be able to reduce it even further to 15 to 20 formations! wonderful!! the last or 5th number is random from 28 to 36, well we have the hard work of the last digit from 0 to 9 in each position

Reply #12

cottoneyedjoe — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 14:52:04 GMT

Unfortunately, the computation I did for a slightly different question cannot be salvaged to answer your actual question. You're also missing a few edge cases, namely, what do you consider it when the last digits split into two pairs and a fifth different digit, and what do you consider it when the last digits split into a triple and a pair. There are actually 6 mutually exclusive cases for last digits:

A B C D E - none the same

A A B C D - one pair

A A B B C - two pairs

A A A B C... [ More ]

Reply #11

dr san — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 14:44:41 GMT

hello give five, let's try this approach the initial digits

ex= draw= 01 11 21 31 36= initial digit

gave = 1,1,2,3,3

five do you know how many formations you need for the 4 formations the 5th position will be chosen at random from

28 to 36

know how many in the first 4 positions at 100% only 35 formations drawings ascending order

I repeat the 5th or last position will be chosen from 28 to 36 in the random

here are the 35 formations of 4 positions at 100% check it out

you w... [ More ]

Reply #10

GiveFive — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 12:55:00 GMT

I'm guessing that this would be the correct number of combo's for each situation;

1,380 combo's for 4 last digits being the same.

42,096 combo's for 3 last digits being the same.

149,208 combo's for 2 last digits being the same.

184,308 combo's for zero last digits being the same.

The numbers of combo's for each situation totals 376,992, (that's the correct number of combo's for a 5/36 matrix) so it's just a matter of which number of combo's is assigned to which number of last dig... [ More ]

Reply #9

GiveFive — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 12:40:23 GMT

Your explanation makes sense to me! What doesn't make sense to me is players actually doing something like that. Given how hard it is to win a jackpot and then to be rewarded with just $13,000 for doing it. Crazy.

Interestingly enough, on May 16, 2015 this combo was drawn ==== 2 12 22 27 32. Just four jackpot winners of $64,652.98, none being a QP.

On March 17, 2013 1 6 11 21 31 was drawn, but this time there were two QP winners among the seven (total) player picked winners.

August 18,... [ More ]

Reply #8

lottobrain — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 12:04:20 GMT

The winning combination of 1-11-21-31-36 with so many winners was due to the fact that people pick card patterns to play. They played through the diagonal of the card. There were probably a lot of 4/5 winners who went the other way also using #6. Similar large amounts of winners has happened in other states smaller jackpot games.

Reply #7

GiveFive — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 07:47:08 GMT

If I'm correct in my post above,

Then if I play a combo that has two last digits being the same, the odds of winning a jackpot are 1 in 184,308. (Provided a combo is drawn with two last digits being the same)

That's down from 1 in 376,992 or a 48.9% reduction in the odds. G5

Reply #6

GiveFive — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 07:31:02 GMT

This is close to what I'd like to know...except I'm thinking it's backwards.

I would think that there are 1,380 combo's with 4 last digits being the same. Four last digits being the same has happened just six times in 7,382 FF5 dawings. (It's rare)

Combo's with 2 last digits being identical are drawn a lot. (Happens all the time) Therefore 184,308 combo's makes me think that cant be the correct number for 4 last digits being the same. I think it's for two last digits being the same.

Mak... [ More ]

Reply #5

GiveFive — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 07:24:57 GMT

I did a such poor job of articulating what I'm looking for please allow me to try again. This time I'll use some examples and maybe I'll be able to get across what I'm looking for!

The last digit is the number/integer in the units position of each of Fantasy5's 36 numbers. For instance in the number 16, 6 is the last digit . For #2, 2 is the last digit.

In this example there are no digits that are identical in the units position ==== 3 12 19 24 35. How many of the total 376,992 combos that... [ More ]

Reply #4

cottoneyedjoe — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 05:14:29 GMT

I took a different approach, and assumed you're asking about numbers rather than digits.

His question is about the last digits of the numbers in a combo, aka the 'ones place' as we usually learn it in grade school. For example, the combo 3-14-24-25-33 has last digits 3-4-4-5-3, which falls under G's category of same three last digits.

Reply #3

KY Floyd — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 04:37:07 GMT

I took a different approach, and assumed you're asking about numbers rather than digits.

The last four numbers all the same is the easiest, because if only the first number can change then there are as many possibilities as there are numbers to choose from, which is 36. That's assuming that we're working with the numbers in the order in which they're drawn. If you put them in numerical order then the answer is variable and depends on what the last 4 numbers are, since the first number has to... [ More ]

Reply #2

cottoneyedjoe — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 04:14:44 GMT

0 combos with all the same last digit (for obv. reasons)

1380 combos with last digits same 2 numbers

42096 combos with last digits same 3 numbers

184308 combos with last digits same 4 numbers

149208 combos with all different last digits

python code if you want it:

https://sagecell.sagemath.org/?z=eJxtkNEKgzAMRd_9isAYtJgNq26DgV9S-uBqJ9W2ivr_zGqlYyx5uJRzEkjlYF_DjDDXVjW61csMFXCBwDMMLeDk6e5AHrIIWSK4wantkbyHCTRoB1PtWkUYFgV9JrCWJ10kOl1ZGdjB-8g7z29f_HBMdHrv3H-cw7PRM957_PF8ye3-az2OyjWE... [ More ]

Reply #1

garyo1954 — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 02:54:15 GMT

A very good question! I know we've broken the 5/37 and 5/39 down in so many ways its unfunny. Can't remember ever doing this exact thing though.

If no one has your answer, I'll give it shot.

G

Number of Combo's with Same Last Digit for 5/36 Matrix

GiveFive — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 00:53:14 GMT

I'm located in Florida and Play Florida Fantasy5, which has a 5/36 matrix. Total number of combo's for a 5/36 matrix is 376,992.

Of those 376,992 combo's, how many combo's have the same last two digits? (In the case of a single digit number, the number itself is the last digit)

If possible, I'd also like to know how many combo's have same three last digits, four last same digits, and how many combo's have no last digits the same.

I'd like to know the answer to those questions, but I hav... [ More ]