Oh, those pesky leading 0's!

Reply #26

garyo1954 — Sat, 03 Dec 2022 00:52:07 GMT

Lot of programs and data files I wish I had back. Some I'm rewriting.

The more I work, the farther down the list front digit patterns get.

They have their strengths and kryptonite like everything else.

G

Reply #25

AllenB — Fri, 02 Dec 2022 19:54:32 GMT

Good to hear you MrB.

One could look at this List as a sort of Zip Code where the Package is Delivered with each Draw.

It is really a decades grouping about as Random as they Come.

There is usually a Deep Dive if you get close to the right address but the density of winning tickets might make it worth the Dip.

Good Hunting.

Reply #24

Mr-B 216 — Fri, 02 Dec 2022 16:45:11 GMT

Here are the results from Ohio's 5/39 game. First sorted by front digit group, followed by sorted by times drawn.

Front Total % of Total % of

Digit Times 6495 Group 575757

Group Drawn Draws Combos Combos

00000 0 0.00% 126 0.02%

00001 15 0.23% 1260 0.22%

00002 18 0.28% 1260 0.22%

00003 16 0.25% 1260 0.22%

00011 41 0.63% 3780 0.66%

00013 108 1.66% 8400 1.46%

00022 59 0.91% 3780 0.66%

00023 107 1.65% 8400 1.46%

00033 33 0.51% 3780 0.66... [ More ]

Reply #23

garyo1954 — Thu, 01 Dec 2022 18:46:26 GMT

The Jackpot game like the 4/35, 5/39, 6/49, etc., are what the front digit patterns are for. In any 5/35, 5/37, 5/39 game you have 56 front digit patterns.

00000

00001

00002

00003

00011

00012

00013

00022

00023

00033

00111

00112

00113

00122

00123

00133

00222

00223

00233

00333

01111

01112

01113

01122

01123

01133

01222

01223

01233

01333

02222

02223

02233

02333

03333

11111

11112

11113... [ More ]

Reply #22

Stack47 — Thu, 01 Dec 2022 06:00:28 GMT

Kentucky just added a 5/39 game so checked my archives to see what works and what doesn't. And found a note saying don't play wheels or self picks if the game doesn't pay $1 for matching two numbers. Lots of states offer a free QP for a two number match and doesn't help the profit margin with multiple two number matches.

The good news is we don't have to deal with those pesky leading zeros playing those types of games.

Reply #21

garyo1954 — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 05:12:50 GMT

Good to know. GH displays two character for 1-9 as well. So I'm not alone. It makes sense (to me) to see it done that way, than try to make up stuff as you go along. I don't know how Lottery Pro is written, but apparently those people were thinking

of how to use that leading zero before they took to their computer to program.

I know I do things different when I do different things. And using zero opens up new possibilities. Not saying it's the lottery killer, but it makes everything cle... [ More ]

Reply #20

Stat$talker — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:43:51 GMT

Second, getting software to read leading zeros, is trickery. (Maybe the newer languages make it easy, I don't know) In older Visual Basic,

Lotto Pro won't read the digitz if it NOT accompanied by a 0 for digitz 0-9,

Yet it'z viewed by some az an Old Program..so, the Programmerz must obviously periodically update itz language..

Reply #19

garyo1954 — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 01:18:14 GMT

Could be. Depending on the game and state, it wouldn't be a surprise.

G

Reply #18

garyo1954 — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 01:11:24 GMT

It could be done. And you put all the single digit sets in Purgatory, since there is no 0000 front digit pattern.

I did try naming sets while I was doing the rating program. In some cases you have too many listings in the category to use Best, Very Good, Good, Low, and Poor. I tried Top 5, Top 10, and Top 20. Just wasn't working for me. Still haven't figured out the good system for that.

The use of O instead of 0 would work as a placeholder, but the second you tried to use it in a calcu... [ More ]

Reply #17

SHERWIN Vega — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 00:16:14 GMT

I've noticed that zero is the least drawn leading number

Reply #16

Stack47 — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 00:09:52 GMT

Used zero as the highest digit because spread sheets do not recognize leading zeros when I put pick 3 and pick 4 combos into numerical order. When I put them into the order they were drawn, used capital O. Using high/low as a filter, it matters if zero and five are high or low but really depends on the results.

And just to add to the confusion, back in the day the zero on phones was really an O for operator.

Reply #15

garyo1954 — Sun, 27 Nov 2022 06:31:03 GMT

That's true. And it points out the reason few people count leading zeros.

First, Excel, and most spreadsheets, do not recognize leading zeros. They can be forced to display leading zeros through a menu option but won't they be remembered if you close the program in CSV and open it later.

Second, getting software to read leading zeros, is trickery. (Maybe the newer languages make it easy, I don't know) In older Visual Basic, QBasic, and QB64 you have to set up string data so you can t... [ More ]

Reply #14

Stack47 — Sun, 27 Nov 2022 04:08:51 GMT

Other than in three, four, or five digit games and possibly dates, numbers like 18 are not usually expressed as 018 . As a digit, zero is fairly new. It wasn't necessary for the Romans to create a symbol or a Roman numeral for what they called nulla. Other cultures saw the need for a symbol to represent the results of subtracting a number from itself and zero 0 was born.

I'd use zero the same as the other nine digits doing statistical analysis.

Reply #13

garyo1954 — Sat, 26 Nov 2022 21:40:23 GMT

That's a good use for them if you're into filtering. I'm not. Every time I hear the word filter I want to throw up.

Filter for Pick3 and Pick4...okay. But filters are for saving $1 or $2 in a Jackpot game won't bring you any closer to a jackpot. And maybe I'm the only one, but I've read too many posts where people have filtered out the winning combination.

I mean, how many times do you have to filter out the winning combination before you realize, Oh, I know. I'll not play, save that... [ More ]

Reply #12

dr san — Sat, 26 Nov 2022 05:03:33 GMT

correcting the sequence of the front digits of the lottery is the equivalent of correcting the first numbers of the lottery, it is a good form of basic filter, to use the sequence as fixed

Reply #11

Stack47 — Sat, 26 Nov 2022 04:03:26 GMT

I knew Gary would get the two reasons I brought up a fictional character from video games, but regardless the topic, pesky leading 0's was mentioned in every one of our posts. I'm pretty sure hijacking a thread is when two or more posters start discussing unrelated topics.

Had one person actually justifying hijacking someone else's thread by saying others did it first. Similar to when Eddie Tipton justified rigging the Hot Lotto game by saying Nick Perry did it first.

What do you think,... [ More ]

Reply #10

garyo1954 — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 22:13:38 GMT

I expected if anyone had a complaint it would be 1459 was actually the 15th century, not the 13th as I posted.

But you have a good point. We strayed from the main topic while keeping the zero in the thread without destroying the topic since the two of us were the only ones participating.

Ezio (EZero) was interesting and puzzling. So I was obliged to try to see the point of use here.

Once we agreed that 0 is both even and low there isn't much else to say unless others join in.

A... [ More ]

Reply #9

db101 — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:07:21 GMT

You've hijacked your own thread, Gary.

- D. B. Cooper

Reply #8

ddude003 — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 20:57:57 GMT

The earliest known written account of a camera obscura was provided by a Chinese philosopher called Mo-tzu (or Mozi) in 400BC...

Reply #7

garyo1954 — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 17:09:51 GMT

Caught me offguard. I don't know many game characters. My son probably would. In the cool to be retro days, I spent more time buying and cracking PS2s for him and his friends than playing them. I had two when I moved here. One went to his first girlfriend; the other to some kid in the neighborhood.

One Christmas he got a PS3 and it was on. PS4 came along, we upgraded. The deal was it would stay at my house so I could play it when he wasn't here. It didn't. He never brought it back. And I n... [ More ]

Reply #6

Stack47 — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 05:46:17 GMT

Probably tried to be too clever using a fictional character whose name looks like Zero but his mortal enemies are like the Knights Templar, Knights of Odessa, Knights of Columbus, or something like that. Should have used the obvious character, Zero from Grand Theft Auto San Andreas.

Yep, by using Vtracs, zero is low and even.

*And not related to Agent 47

Reply #5

garyo1954 — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 00:47:43 GMT

Yeah, I had to. L ooked at EZero Auditore da Firenze's Wiki.

As video characters go he's quite a legend; a 13th century John Wick .

Has a few alias, EZero, Il Mentor, and The Prophet.

Seems somewhat better at disguises than the trolls who got their brains from the damaged items bin at a Black Friday 1/2 off Dollar Tree sale. But I never played Assassin's Creed so I'm just going by the kids opinions of their all time favorite video characters from the ancient Playstation 3. One of the... [ More ]

Reply #4

garyo1954 — Thu, 24 Nov 2022 05:00:05 GMT

If you use moron math and divide 1 by 2 you get two little ones.

So dividing 0 by 2 you'd get 2 little u's?

But again, go back to Vtracs. You have an even and an odd digit in each mirror.

We know 5 is odd, so 0 must be even.

It would be an interesting Jeopardy question. This is considered one-half 0.

What is one-half potato!

G

Reply #3

Stack47 — Thu, 24 Nov 2022 04:43:36 GMT

At least we know zero is an even number or is it?

If Greek gods created the game of Craps, Ezio has much to say about the digit zero.

Reply #2

garyo1954 — Thu, 24 Nov 2022 04:29:09 GMT

LOL! That's a good question! I've seen it used both ways.

For my 2 it's lower than 1. The front digit patterns are all in numerical order and read 0000, 0001, 0002, 0003, 0011,......3333.

You'll never see a front digit pattern of 2013, 1302, 3210.

In Vtracs, the mirrors 0,5; 1,6; 2,7; 3,8; 4,9 place it low too.

So for my purposes it's always low.

But how a fictional character in a video game would see a zero? Friend, foe, man or beast? Or a nothing? I haven't the foggi... [ More ]

Reply #1

Stack47 — Thu, 24 Nov 2022 03:51:20 GMT

Awe, the age old question:: is zero a high or low digit? Does zero follow nine and the tenth digit or does it proceed one and is the first digit?

Maybe Ezio Auditore da Firenze or someone like that will know; after all he did find the the Apple of Eden.

Oh, those pesky leading 0's!

garyo1954 — Wed, 23 Nov 2022 23:13:11 GMT

Some count them. Some don't. Some count zeros when they want too and ignore them when they don't.

I retraced my steps to see why I count zeros. And it comes down to tracking front digit patterns. Front digit patterns are like 1 1, 1 2, 1 3, 1 4 in a 4 ball game. The red digits 1111 is the front digit pattern. 1234 is the back digit pattern. Easy.

But what happens when you have 1, 2, 3, 4? What is the front digit pattern?

To me it's 0000. That's how I'm going to track it. I coul... [ More ]