how to learn to use filters together in order to bring good return in lotteries?

Reply #45

garyo1954 — Sun, 01 Jan 2023 21:53:46 GMT

What patterns do you plan on using? E/O patterns are no better than E/O totals.

You said this was a discussion, so discuss it. But don't expect everyone to have the same view or agree.

You put out an idea.

We questioned if you thought it through and shown the negative impact.

Then all we see on this page are negative ratings (yeah, yeah, I know these ratings are based on like or dislike of the person rather than on the merit of what they say)

So here's a 5 ball game....... [ More ]

Reply #44

Stat$talker — Sun, 01 Jan 2023 17:32:32 GMT

Filtering numbers is the domain of my number predictors. Whatever they select for me, and the process is fully automated

Playa649 ?....ExPoUnD PlEaZe..!!

Why izit, that WE nneeevah see any posted Lottery ticketz, wit Yo so called xamplez?

Ole Stat $ POST dem Lottery ticketz..so memberz can whut I proclaim...cauze I lead by xample .. it'z ...NOT slick, greazzy Propaganda,.. French Toast French Friez ..it'z.....

The American way

-Stat$talker

Reply #43

Player649 — Sun, 01 Jan 2023 05:10:53 GMT

Wheel generators may (and most likely do) use different formulas (algorithms) for creating wheels. The IF part of a wheel definition is supposed to define the guarantee. You can test if the wheel delivers this guarantee. I believe CoverMaster allows to do that.

Wheels with any sort of guarantees are applicable only to very small groups of numbers. But with small groups it's difficult to have a lot of hits, no matter what you use for predictions. To have hits, you need larger groups. Wheels f... [ More ]

Reply #42

garyo1954 — Sun, 01 Jan 2023 04:07:44 GMT

That's the best idea.

Brazil doesn't have a 6/49 in Advantage Gold. There is a two 6/50's, a 5/80, a 7/80 and a 7/31 + 1/12.

6/49 looks to be a dying game with states turning more to the 5 + bonus ball format.

I thought I'd write one this evening. All I've done is thought. Can't do much til it stops raining. Don't want my sidewalk chalk flowcharts washed away before I've finished the program. For some reason that 7/31 +1/12 looks like a winnable game (to me).

But filtering i... [ More ]

Reply #41

Stack47 — Sun, 01 Jan 2023 00:50:15 GMT

The high/low distribution can create a conflict with even/odd and sums. And then there is consecutive numbers and decades filters that might conflict with all the other filters.

Maybe we can talk Doc into showing his 25 numbers and which filters he wants to use and I'll run them through my wheel generator.

Reply #40

Stat$talker — Sat, 31 Dec 2022 12:53:53 GMT

So your Next Power Ball or Mega Ball (whichever) predictions will be from 9 Numbers?

Noope,.. My next Mega or Pwrball Prediction WILL come from either 25 or 26 numberz ( respectively).. I'm surprized that you really feel that YOU know how to tHiNk...arriving at such an illogical concluzion..BoZo

But , I will predict that YOU will continue doin thizzz... Allen Butthead,

and it will be perpetually correct..!! Until you

CLIMB..!!

-Stat$talker

Reply #39

garyo1954 — Sat, 31 Dec 2022 11:20:02 GMT

Okay, maybe I wasn't clear. Let me try it this way.

Filtering a wheel by E/O totals is only good if you want to eliminate all EVEN or all ODD sums.

0 even, 6 odd produces all EVEN sums

1 even, 5 odd produces all ODD sums

2 even, 4 odd produces all EVEN sums

3 even, 3 odd produces all ODD sums

4 even, 2 odd produces all EVEN sums

5 even, 1 odd produces all ODD sums

6 even, 0 odd produces all EVEN sums

If that is your intent, and you can be 100% absolutely, positiv... [ More ]

Reply #38

dr san — Sat, 31 Dec 2022 09:35:17 GMT

ok garyo, 3 pairs and 3 odd, is the formation that is drawn more often, of course you could make several statistics of other patterns and filter on its highest peak in the wheels, along with limit of previous draws.

Reply #37

garyo1954 — Sat, 31 Dec 2022 04:53:01 GMT

I finally got curious enough to touch on this idea and how it would affect a 4/35. Although there is not direct relationship between the two, the results do give you something to consider.

When we look at the overall makeup of the sets, specifically the even/odd makeup and how those affect the final even/odd ends of the spectrum, we find....

0 even, 6 odd puts us in the EVEN end of the spectrum

1 even, 5 odd lands us in the ODD end

2 even, 4 odd back to the EVEN end

3 even,

Reply #36

garyo1954 — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 08:11:09 GMT

Agreed. When the particulars are missing all you have is an opened ended question. It has no answer without the particulars. And not even a best answer unless you drink a few mojitos with yerba buena before posting.

Yerba Buena makes you crazy. You do things like try to determine which 12 digit set of 35 numbers produces the most hits. About three days with a XP computer constantly calculating you find out that may not have been one of your brighter moments since there are 834,451,800 sets... [ More ]

Reply #35

Stack47 — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 04:50:39 GMT

Not much thought put into asking how to learn to use filters when the sample filter don't make a dent in a 177,100 line wheel. And it makes more sense by first at least offering a ball park definition of how they determine which 25 numbers to use.

It would help to know how many lines they want to play too. There is a 22 line 3 of 6 wheel and even if their 6/49 games has a payoff for matching 3 numbers, it won't help the bottom line very much.

Reply #34

AllenB — Thu, 29 Dec 2022 20:53:21 GMT

I didn't think you could do it.

Someone should make a list of your excuses.

Originals stopped along time ago, so you could just respond with Numbers ( as many as you want).

Your previous response could be number 1, matching the ranking of its frequency.

Clown

Reply #33

Stat$talker — Thu, 29 Dec 2022 07:53:06 GMT

You got me mixed up wit dat RRR Agenda..!!

It'z about whut the Math sayzz, not some Agenda to impress dem CrIcKeTz..

Naah dat'z SoUnD advice...worth churpin about..

Reply #32

Stack47 — Thu, 29 Dec 2022 04:47:13 GMT

Doesn't look like Doc has much experience with wheels. Looks like he wants to pre-filter the numbers before he puts them into a wheel and filter them again.

Reply #31

garyo1954 — Thu, 29 Dec 2022 04:38:50 GMT

At this point I'm not sure if we're hunting alligators with a fly swat or trying to turn an elephant around in a shoe box.

We want 25 of 49 numbers, three from previous draws, all sets should be 4/2 odd or 4/2 even. Okay.

We make a wheel under these conditions, will it be a balanced wheel? Or does it matter?

G

Reply #30

AllenB — Thu, 29 Dec 2022 03:55:52 GMT

So your Next Power Ball or Mega Ball (whichever) predictions will be from 9 Numbers?

Now you might get some cred.

Go Hercules

Reply #29

Stat$talker — Thu, 29 Dec 2022 02:49:20 GMT

It'z moe important to know the Formula of how to correctly pick Statistically viable numberz from yo Game of choice, than to know the secrecy behind the wheel uzed. ..ANY wheel iz no betta than the choice of numberz EnTeReD into it..

Why need filter 20 numberz , when the Game'z Stats pointz to only 9 numberz?..Tosss dat jUnCk..

Like lookin under the hood of a Ferrari, wondering about the formula of itz engine, while refuelin it wit regular unleaded gas.

Reply #28

dr san — Wed, 28 Dec 2022 17:37:40 GMT

ddude003 , hello=ok it looks like it does, it can even do in the pick3 filters for previous draws about 600, at most up to two digits, that is in the wheel if it has 3 digits

like in the 600 draws of pick3, it filters, plus other positional filters and repetitions in each position

Reply #27

ddude003 — Wed, 28 Dec 2022 16:05:55 GMT

GH Filtering Full Wheel Generator does this...

Reply #26

Stack47 — Wed, 28 Dec 2022 03:19:24 GMT

Just googled lottery wheel generator free and found several wheeling programs. You might have to pay if want links to previous drawings. You said something about if you choose 25 numbers and by adding a maximum of up to three numbers from previous draws most if not all of the 25 numbers will be from previous drawings.

The filter you want to use more applies to using all 49 numbers by including up to three numbers from how many previous drawing you use. A full 25 number wheel has 177,100 lin... [ More ]

Reply #25

dr san — Tue, 27 Dec 2022 10:02:42 GMT

hello stack the problem with the cover master is that in order to link the previous draws, e.g. a maximum of 3 numbers from the previous 49/6 draws, you would have to register the draws, for Lagoritmo to pick up the draw base

Reply #24

Stack47 — Tue, 27 Dec 2022 04:38:41 GMT

Have you ever tried cover master?

Or any wheel maker with filtering options

Reply #23

dr san — Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:16:01 GMT

hello RAV EN6 2 Explain item 5, 11 and 52 to me. Please.

from the list of dynamic filters

Reply #22

Raven62 — Sun, 25 Dec 2022 01:30:18 GMT

It would seem that it is possible

Reply #21

AllenB — Sun, 25 Dec 2022 01:21:38 GMT

What Bothers me about Wheels is that they operate in secret. Unless you know the Formulas behind the wheel, you are completely in the dark about how they pick the combinations other than to promise you that IF guarantee.

It Does not make sense to me to THEN have to filter some more to match my wallet.

It makes more sense to me to Filter the 4368 Sets of numbers from the 16 you select.

Reply #20

dr san — Sun, 25 Dec 2022 00:06:21 GMT

hello i forgot we can filter wheels by hops and frequencies together

Reply #19

Player649 — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 23:31:18 GMT

This depends on how you apply your filters.

Let's consider 2 hypothetical scenarios.

Scenario A.

You've selected 16 number set for playing and put it into 320 ticket wheel.

Now you do your filtering to reduce the number of tickets.

After filtering you end up with the same 16 number set but only 30 tickets.

You retained your probability for hits because you still have your original 16 numbers.

But you reduced your probability for winning because you have far fewer tickets.... [ More ]

Reply #18

Stack47 — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 23:25:35 GMT

The $2 a ticket change how wheel players played. Some probably still use them for 5/something games but doubt it's the big compound wheels.

Merry Christmas

Reply #17

garyo1954 — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 22:39:15 GMT

Okay, fine.

G

Reply #16

dr san — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 22:07:28 GMT

ok!! yes correct, thank you

Reply #15

garyo1954 — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 21:16:46 GMT

I don't have a clue but okay, fine.

The thing about wheels is they are designed where every set is equi-distance from the others. And as you seemed to have found out, not every set equi-distance from the others are comprised of the same makeup.

If you want 4/2 breakdown or 2/4 breakdown try looking at the breakdown of the even/odd used, or order you enter the numbers. Unlikely that will work since there is still a mix of even/odd. Seems if it were common problem some wheeling softwar... [ More ]

Reply #14

dr san — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 18:26:32 GMT

hello ga ryo We haven't been able to create wheels yet but with filter criteria = eg, if you choose 25 numbers from the 49/6, any wheels filtered like this have a maximum of up to three numbers from previous draws, a maximum of 4 even and two odd and 4 odd and 2 pairs, etc. or be very wide filters with a lot of torque, here

this filter too, mini and maximum per column, set in ascending order, this filter has to do when generating the wheels, of course the draws have to be given inside

of t... [ More ]

Reply #13

garyo1954 — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 17:47:22 GMT

A belief is anything we put our faith in whether it has merit or not. Wheels have some merit. The experts sold us on the idea that it was the only way to play the lottery on a budget to cover the widest possible range with a small investment. What they didn't say is wheels spread you so ultra-thin globally there is no change in the odds of hitting a jackpot .

But wheels have a place if the player only hopes to win something while maybe lucking into a jackpot at some point. I can't knock th... [ More ]

Reply #12

Stack47 — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 04:33:30 GMT

Wheeling was much more popular back in the day when tickets were a $1. Those of playing abbreviated 5 of 15 number wheels knew even if we matched 5 numbers the number of lines played divided by 3003 was our percentage of winning. The number of combos using the same 5 numbers becomes more obvious by matching all 5 numbers and only getting the wheel guarantee.

A 3 if 5 of 15 numbers wheel has only 13 lines of the 3003 possible (0.433%) combinations using 15 numbers. The thing is, that wheel s... [ More ]

Reply #11

Stat$talker — Fri, 23 Dec 2022 18:50:23 GMT

Uze The Ultimate Filter ...to cut out all thoze non-viable numberz.. Probability Math..

It'll make yo numbaz Taylor made ..to git Taylor Paid

-Stat$talker

Reply #10

garyo1954 — Fri, 23 Dec 2022 18:18:15 GMT

dr san, see? Caps gets it.

Rather than try to eliminate impossible, non-fruitful patterns, zero in on possible, fruitful patterns. Choose to focus effort on the positive.

This is a superb piece of work. Took a lot of brain drain and work.

My first thought was this framework would make a great RNG. It allows for greater control on the make up of the overall number selection. But the more I look at it the more I like the detail and analysis.

Put this one with the good stuff... [ More ]

Reply #9

lottologix — Fri, 23 Dec 2022 00:33:59 GMT

The odd thing I notice about filters is that most Any filtering you apply to a given number set lowers it's over all hit rate.

Reply #8

dr san — Thu, 22 Dec 2022 09:27:35 GMT

hello, CA PS, correct, conglatulations, thank you

Reply #7

Stack47 — Thu, 22 Dec 2022 05:17:04 GMT

It would really help if you asked something like how to learn to use filters together in order to bring good return in pick 4 games, 5/39 games, or maybe 5/70 + 1/25 games . And then tell us if you want to use all the numbers or digits or some of them.

Don't need 100% filter accuracy in games with secondary prizes but you without it, you can't win the jackpot.

Reply #6

Caps — Wed, 21 Dec 2022 23:15:10 GMT

one more tip, use fuzzy logic in your predictor.

Caps

Reply #5

Caps — Wed, 21 Dec 2022 22:58:53 GMT

Here is another after the fact run for cash-4-life pick-5 of 60. 13 filters chosen at random which produced

3 total lines with 1ea 5-of-5 and 2ea 4-of 5 hits. Don't track data game to game but code the predictor to

select it's data points at random. The biggest mistake I ever made was in analyzing data in series.

Caps

Reply #4

Caps — Wed, 21 Dec 2022 22:44:29 GMT

If your serious follow these steps.

First write a program that has some sort of a predictor based on the filters you want to use.

Next automate the predictor so that it makes random choices from the filters history to use

in making the prediction and store the results so that they can be accessed later.

Next repeat the above a few hundred times

Now check the results of all test and then select the filters that had the highest hit rates. Normally

85% or higher

Next usi... [ More ]

Reply #3

garyo1954 — Mon, 19 Dec 2022 22:21:52 GMT

Sure, why not?

These are like one of those millennial spousal sitcom arguments....

You don't love me.

Yes I do!

No you don't!

Yes, I do!

No you don't.

Yes! I DO!

If you loved me you would do what I ask.

No, I won't do that.

Then you don't love me!

Almost like saying there is a moose in the haystack, so if we remove all the hay without scaring the moose we'll find it.

G

Reply #2

dr san — Mon, 19 Dec 2022 12:57:38 GMT

hello alenB

a group of filters together without conflicts according to the lottery, which gave a return

Reply #1

AllenB — Mon, 19 Dec 2022 12:09:54 GMT

Not this one again

how to learn to use filters together in order to bring good return in lotteries?

dr san — Mon, 19 Dec 2022 11:33:23 GMT

how to learn to use filters together in order to bring good return in lotteries